So what are folks using to eliminate that JJP speaker pops on bootup? I know they sell a ground loop isolater but I think that's more for humming sounds rather then the popping but I could be wrong. I know others made a relay timing board to cut sound off to the speakers until x amount of time passes but is there anything else at this point we can use or does the isolater device work?

I would think that GNR would be a far higher priority for them to release code since they are actively selling and manufacturing them right now. There's really no incentive for them to allocate any resources to Pirates at this point.

A ground loop isolator addresses most of the hum as you suggested, but it does not address the pops. harryhoudini offered some sort of relay on a timer item awhile back so you might check with him.

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Plus it would be fitting somehow to have Axl hiding “backstage” lol.

Is there a new one since Beta 15? I didn’t have any problems but it took a WHILE.

Adjust yours. That is what coil settings are for. To make your game play the way you like.

LTG : )

Fixed my sticking upper playfield flipper... I don't remember there being any posts on here about it before, so here's a quick synopsis and what I did to fix it... thanks zaphX for putting me on the right track and helping me through.

Basically, I noticed during gameplay that it didn't look like my upper pf flipper was returning all the way "home," and then sometimes it stuck all the way up, and I even got a ball stuck in the cutout beneath it. I raised the PF and the flipper traveled free and easy, until I put a little pressure on the top of the flipper (mimicking gravity), when it stuck/binded. zaphX suggested I check the coil plunger, and that indeed turned out to be the issue. The weight of the flipper and shaft put enough downward pressure on the linkage to make the plunger askew as it tried to travel in and out of the coil, causing the drag.

Tried just lifting the shaft some more, but the weight was still there of course. Looking closely, I noticed that when I slid the flipper shaft down as far as it would go without dragging the playfield, there was still a small gap between the sleeve on the flipper assembly (which comes a few inches out of the playfield and to the bottom of the upper PF) and a spacer sleeve that sits on top of it, meaning that unless the flipper were lower and sitting right on top of that spacer sleeve, the flipper isn't being supported by anything but the pinch clamp on the flipper assembly... and that weight being on the pinch clamp was the reason it putting pressure on the linkage and plunger. I use too many words.

So I just needed to make the weight rest on the spacer sleeve so it didn't torque the shaft and put lateral pressure on the flipper linkage. Luckily, I have about 6,000 PETG washers sitting around now, and they are about the right thickness to let the flipper rest on the shaft spacer. I took a 3/4" PETG washer and drilled out the hole with a 5/8 bit, which made it big enough to fit around the shaft. Then I just loosened the pawl nut, spread the pinch clamp a little with a screwdriver, removed the flipper and shaft, slid the washer on it (3/4 inch is the perfect size for the radius of the flipper), slid the spacer back on, and inserted it right back down. The height was perfect, I just retightened the pawl nut to get that pinch clamp semi-tight, made sure I had a little vertical play on the shaft, put the flipper in its position over the playfield, and tightened the pawl nut the rest of the way down. Swings free and easy now, returns to "home" without issue, and I'm back in business.

I hope no one else has such an issue, but if you do, it was pretty easy to deal with. PM me if I didn't make enough sense and you need help.

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The latest beta update addresses the issues for updating with WiFi so you need to update to the latest code

Gee I thought you always wanted a bit of space between the flipper bushing and the flipper bat. That’s what the spacers are for that you use during a rebuild. You want to have a little play when you pull up on the flipper bat. I guess that looks like a different set up with a different kind of bushing. Glad it works now for you

I think it’s just because it’s such a long shaft and there isn’t playfield underneath it. It’s sort of “floating” up there. So maybe none of them is actually sitting atop the spacer sleeve but mine was binding too much so I needed to. There’s still plenty of vertical play for the shaft with my setup here. I’m not sure what’s right, this is my first upper playfield with long-shafted bats.

I had the same issue and fixed it without the washer. Just tightened the mech on a different part of the flipper shaft.

Does the pin woofer kit address any of these issues?

The THUMP and POP on boot up I dislike greatly. I wish JJP would get rid of it.
Its appears to be an audio pop, can't it be muted somehow ?
Is it really that difficult ?

As stated above, there was a guy who made a board that stopped the audio coming on until the machine had got past that point. If that noise annoys you just contact him and get the mod.

Doesn't bother me in the slightest, i have a weightlifting gym next door

does it do anything else? and... why is it beta? is it not for everyone? Should we wait until it's passed beta stage?

Maybe put a BBQ grill mod back there for Axl

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Haha, I kinda said as a joke because I had problems downloading the update and it took me 4 times and when I read the update log it basically said that it fixed update download issues and no code changes. I had to laugh at the irony of the situation!!!

I’m in the same boat. I’ve tried downloading the latest Beta 12-15 times now. Still no luck. Was able to download the last one after a lot of tries. Can’t seem to get this one to go.

Machine arrived today. Will look at build date later. No pooling upon initial inspection. Next up... Cliffy and Pin Monk installations! LE, btw.

Cliffys and fans installed. Washers everywhere. No pooling at this point.

Stats:
- Playfield date: looks like July 8th, 2021, but it's pretty blurry
- Mfg date: July 2021
- longer posts added

Fingers crossed this is the threshold for playfield bullshit!

Two things that I did (but could just be coincidental) I reset my modem and varified the connection to it. This shouldn’t matter because it downloads but fails to verify so hopefully the update resolves this if you can ever get it updated!

Knock, knock, knocking…

You either matched or got a credit and the knocker fired. The knocker was supposed to alert everyone in the arcade that you were a badass. All old school games had it. Stern killed it many years ago due to just cutting and make it the terrible screech sound.

Love me some real knockers.

I like the Crackle Pop on startup , it let's me know it's alive

It is sick , and it's a pity some companies don't include them anymore . Always good to see someone jump , who's not expecting it .

fully agree. I had a nice experience this weekend when i went to Berlin and visited the Berlin Flipperhalle. They had a Ghostbusters there and the librairian scream triggered a few times. Not the same as a knocker going off but it got the job done. Had not seen it live yet so was pleaseantly surprised on some of the heads turning when it activated. That game has really grown on me.

Which is NOT in this game!!! Huge omission in my opinion. One of their best and one of my favorites.

Anyone have any insight as to why the omission?

The rights to the song are not fully theirs.

My mate had GB and the first time I heard it , made me jump .
I also really liked Midnight Madness . I didn't know about it and I was playing and the flippers went dead and I thought what's going on here and then the bell began to Toll and it said Midnight Madness , it was so cool .
I don't know why more pins don't have more cool stuff coded. .

The knocker is adjustable as well so you can lessen the noise, increase it, etc in the operator settings.

One cover song was enough. (GNR fans love to piss and moan about all of the covers in the NITL shows, under the pretense that they’re being played at the expense of originals or even new music.)

I originally thought it’d be kinda cool to have the Don’t Cry alt lyrics version in-game as some type of switch/unlockable, but keeping to the NITL theme I get why it’s not there.

One audio thing I do wish were different is the generic “Encore” chant; so flat and sterile. A “Guns N’ Roses” chant (see intro to Get in the Ring) seems a better fit.

That is a great idea! Keep the Encore graphic even, just change the chant.

The difference in ground between the motherboard and the machine is what gives rise to a ground loop and hum / stray audio noise. A ground loop isolator is the way to address this and they are cheap and easy to come by in case yours is missing and you need one.

The initialization pops are produced by the motherboard audio hardware during power up, DAC and PGA initialization. (This is cheap / minimal audio circuitry.) Therefore, the pops are present in the motherboard output signal during boot. The amplifier is not responsible for this. When you hear the pops its just the amplifier doing its job - reproducing what's provided at the input. Adding an aftermarket sound card (and using the Linux ASLA audio driver) is a likely solution, but a heavy lift and I doubt the manufacturer cares much about it, and is not at all interested in adding the cost to solve it this way. Another way to eliminate it is to open the signal or speaker lines until after boot, like the gadget we've been talking about.

(Temporary Album laminate/graphic while waiting for new factory decal)

Had to tighten the album screw as the plate became wobbly. I already have a new sticker on order from JJP. But in the meantime, my old decal had some bubbling and creasing. It was Appetite for Destruction. Not sure if that decal will come with the same title so while waiting, I decided to try and make my own.

I peeled the outer laminate layer off the existing sticker carelfully which left the silver main backing. The album and the clear came off pretty smoothly.
I then made a graphic in photoshop and printed it out to just a little larger than the original.

I then tightented the album screw, made sure my clearance height was good, reattached the plastic nut, and then removed the bumper post on the album.

I then made a rubbing of the album disc on a sheet of paper with a pencil to have the exact diameter to cut out a perfect circle of mylar that would run to the edge of the album.

Using a very small piece of double sided tape, I positioned my paper/printer GNR graphic circle and then spun the album to make sure it was centered and not wobbling off center from rotation.

Next, I cut out my rubbing stencil and used it to trace onto a mylar sheet. I then cut out the mylar circle.

Using only a small lip of exposed sticky mylar, being careful not to bend or crease it, and peeling a small edge from the sheet, I lined up the mylar with the album edge, making sure the distance was correct by laying the rest of the covered mylar over the album and checking the covering of the album once the rest of the paper was removed. When happy with the result, I peeled the rest of the paper from the mylar and laid down the covering similar to the process of applying a screen covering to a cell phone.

Poked a small hole for the screw to reattach the bumper remembering the washers both above and below the album

Here are the results...Not too shabby. It's not as shiny as the factory, but it'll do for now

I may just leave this on for now and use the factory one that comes as a spare backup.
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We old schoolers have that sound imbedded into our minds. If you heard that, it was the glory. I thought everyone knew what that sound was until recently I saw a couple young gents playing and I heard them “crack a game” as we called it. They looked around in dismay and that’s when I realized they had no idea. I told them they won a game. They were like “oh shit I thought we broke the game”

Match is called a 'pity pop' round here.

The one you really want your mates to hear is the Grand Champion triple pop. On Sorcerer it rings the bell as well for ages.

Hey when you were a kid with no quarters left, there was no pity getting a pop. I got a double pity pop a week ago on Funhouse. Was still glorious even on Freeplay

Still work for a free game nowadays when i play my mates machines on location. 3 games for $5, so playing two player we need a pity pop or a good game to get the second player in for the second game. It's a highfiveable achievement.

Ok , so now my spinning disk record looks like a real record. I stuck small Phillip's screwdriver into center of decal and got the wobble gone. Now has a perfect hole in center just like a real vinyl record

Nothing wrong with a little hole.

Fair enough mate
I just don't think it does any good for the speakers , and it scares the shit out on me in a quiet room, I think something is shorting out.
Very unpleasant

Just picture Slash plugging his guitar into a live concert stack!

It's harmless and really nothing to worry about at all.

Haha,
Keefer should make that a mode, just to blow the speakers and freak players out, lol

You don't want one in an organ, or a tire. Disaster in a boat or plane.

I thought this was the case. But... what about Live and Let Die? also a cover yes?

The popular story is that Slash called McCartney to ask if they could use it in the game, to which he replied with some version of “of course.”