Quoted from LTG:

Shooter lane switch stuck down, or dragging in the slot in the playfield it goes up and down in ?
Tests - Switches - Matrixed - roll a ball on it, does it close, does it stay closed ? May need adjusting.
LTG : )

Quoted from Ecw0930:

What's up with this Desert Demo mode? It's pretty boring on mine and I think I have the latest code. Other than the new beta I think I'm up to date.
This mode does like... Nothing. I actually got through the thing the other day and I don't think it scored or anything. It was just.. nothing...
So what's up with it?

Quoted from BC_Gambit:

The non-beta software for that mode is basically just a placeholder. The beta has some code that makes it engaging. As I said you use the action button as a "turbo" in a race, then have to make a shot to take out a band member. I have only played a few times but I think it gets harder as you go, with having to balance pressing the turbo button and making a shot to take out a band member harder.
FWIW I like it better than the robot vs monster fight (which I find perplexing that you make a shot, then you have to make the same shot another 2 times before time runs out?). Seems like there would be way to make that better, e.g. encouraging combos, having the inner loop shot (which is the hardest shot on my game) do more damage, whatever.

Quoted from daveyvandy:

Anyone with PinStadiums and Xeno mounts and the speakers from Lior: the speaker in the top right will not fit, but we found a good alternative spot for it. It slightly jiggles when the shaker goes off but it works great and looks great.
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Quoted from Cayenne:

drum set (not for sale, but you can do your own 3D print by the great agima2000 here: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4919966) [quoted image]

Quoted from psexton:

Looks good. Do you have a link to print out the GnR sticker for the large drum?

Quoted from LTG:

Shooter lane switch stuck down, or dragging in the slot in the playfield it goes up and down in ?
Tests - Switches - Matrixed - roll a ball on it, does it close, does it stay closed ? May need adjusting.
LTG : )

Quoted from Zora:

I just added a whole drumset to the pops, integrating the existing two parts. Looks fantastic. Is made with metal and the surfaces are mirrored. Put everything on a transparent plexiglass and fixed it with the screws from the bumper plastics.
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Quoted from Ecw0930:

Do I have to reset the game every time this happens?

Quoted from psexton:

Cayenne

Looks good. Do you have a link to print out the GnR sticker for the large drum?

Quoted from BC_Gambit:

Anybody up for some gameplay discussion?
I have had the game for enough time to form some impressions and make some software tweaks.
I found I could keep rolling and rolling as extra balls seemed plentiful. At one point I had 5-6 balls in reserve. I basically turned extra balls off on my game. Getting the opportunity to earn an EB through the lanes, AND by cashing out the song just seems bonkers for home use. There should be some balancing there.
I also turned down the max ball save time on songs to 30 seconds (from the default 60). That was a big improvement IMO. It makes it harder to just punt balls and go for a 6 ball power chord JP as well. Less absolute chaos in multiball, and more time spent making shots and trying to get that add-a-ball in the scoop.
Speaking of add-a-ball, I set the limit there to be 5 arbitrarily. That is the change I am least certain of so far.
And something I have mixed feelings on are the patches. I don't mind the complexity they bring. I can just see them grinding any sort of competitive game to a halt. I am not sure what the best call is there, e.g. just give them out randomly, in some sort of order or ?
A personal quirk is I spend so much time collecting patches via the left ramp that almost every time I start a song it is from one of the two albums on that ramp (and more often than not Chinese Democracy).
What does the game do well as-is? The "pre-song" and "song" split of the game is interesting. Feels like you are getting set up for a show, then you have to perform. I like pushing my luck for a mega song JP, and love to hate the feeling of draining towards the end of a song because I was too greedy.
I look forward to wacthing the software keeps progressing, there is already a lot of ability to tweak the difficulties down to different song mode settings. The Desert Demolition mode seems fun so far in its Beta stage, balancing using your boost and making a shot to take out another driver (band member).
Anyways, that is enough typing for now, does anybody want to talk about gameplay vs. just mods and playfield issues?

Quoted from Eskaybee:

Patches: make sure you can’t backhand the left ramp and patch collecting becomes much harder. if you can get a booster mb going then lock 6 balls, you can exploit patches. But that’s rare. Sometimes I can get a bunch, sometimes I die trying.
Extra Balls: it progressively gets harder to light the eb through songs.you sacrifice jackpot and song level build to cash out and light eb. All in all the EBs can be excessive, but The way album modes and slash solo is programmed, you need those extra balls to progress.
I decreased my max ball song save to 45 secs. I do wish there was a more creative way to program the ball saver. Like mike it a short ball saver but ways to trigger it throughout the song, i.e. every 2nd or3rd level boost.
I think this game gets a bad wrap on flow and shot satisfaction. Perhaps it comes down to setup, but I find both ramps (especially hitting targets off the ramps) and the loops extremely satisfying. But, my favorite shot lately is the center spinner > through the pops > up the whizzly do to the top lanes > and then collecting the extra ball.
Thirst for carnage needs some more creativity built into it.
Desert demolition is complete waste as is.
Wall and Chinese democracy modes are perfect.
Slash solo needs a dangling carrot for completing or much bigger payoffs. It should only be allowed once per game too.

Quoted from BC_Gambit:

Great comments! Any ideas on making the left ramp less backhandable? I admit I keep trapping on the left flipper, making the ramp, rinse repeat...
I love the center spinner shot as well, mine dumps into the pops most of the time though (which is helpful to collect Frank (drums). So not sure if your games are set up differently there?

Quoted from Ecw0930:

So this was the only thing I could find. The shooter lane switch was fine. Not stuck and registering.
But I turned it off and it recalibrated and this went away. Ive noticed the skill shot wasn't always great too.
Do I have to reset the game every time this happens?
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Quoted from mrclean:

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Quoted from mrclean:

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Quoted from darkryder:

I just ordered the official JJP topper for GNR LE. Has anyone received one these toppers yet or are they shipping in September?
https://pinballwizard.com/products/guns-n-roses-not-in-this-lifetime-pinball-topper

Quoted from Ecw0930:

The dirty robot is annoying. I hate getting stuck in that mode.

Quoted from atg1469:

I’m digging this! Can I ask, what did you use to adhere the drum kit to the plastic pieces?

Quoted from Pizza-Bob:

Hey just got my game and the VUK sends the ball SDTM . How can I adjust this ? Thanks

Quoted from Pizza-Bob:

Hey just got my game and the VUK sends the ball SDTM . How can I adjust this ? Thanks

Quoted from PinMonk:

Check your machine level left to right.
Try changing the eject speed in the menu (try a few different settings slower by 10s).
Bending the guide a bit can help if that didn't work.

Quoted from cooked71:

Both those suggestions might work, but if you could be bothered, the best solution is to loosen the scoop metal screws and rotate a bit to the right. It’s a bit of a pain because you have to remove the upper pf, but mine is perfect since rotating a few degrees. If you’re pool proofing your game just do it at the same time.
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FYI….the back side of the 2 blue nub brackets were the only pooled areas on my game that had ZERO games on it. And given the amount of abuse those nub brackets get, I’ve no doubt they will chip at some stage. So it’s worth proofing those with Mylar and washers ASAP anyway. Kill 2 birds with the one stone.
The tips for removing the upper pf are in the key posts.

Quoted from PinMonk:

Yeah, that may be the ultimate solution, but I start with the easy stuff.

Quoted from Rolls-Royce:

After you play a song, you can disable the Mode by pressing the Action button, I’ll do that sometimes after I choose a song from "Use Your Illusion 1" to avoid Desert Demolition.
The one that I enjoy all the time is Shall We Play a Game Mode… 100% love that one

Quoted from Zora:

I just added a whole drumset to the pops, integrating the existing two parts. Looks fantastic. Is made with metal and the surfaces are mirrored. Put everything on a transparent plexiglass and fixed it with the screws from the bumper plastics.
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Quoted from screaminr:

Great find .
I couldn't decide , but I ended up going with a red set .
The detail on them is full on .
And they're so cheap , ( compared to what's "officially" available ) it doesnt matter if you decide you don't like them .
Did you just super glue them to the plexi .
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Edit , I saw you say , you basically use fishing line , I'll try super glue

Quoted from DeeGor:

After 10 long months. GNR finally arrived.
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Quoted from Vespula:

Congrats!
Direct or disty?
Which LE # ?
Order date?
If direct, hoping they're finally into November orders?
Last/highest number I saw posted in the forum was around #1834, iirc.

Quoted from Zora:

Looks fantastic as well. Difficult to decide. The details are the same, so either way should be great.
I did not use superglue, because I used a flexible 0.5 mm plastic sheet as base. Flexible, because you otherwise have difficulties putting it in, so you need to bend it a bit (only in the process of putting it on the bumpers). Second reason is that the shaker may rattle it and the connection between glue and plastic may then break the glue. Third, you have to consider that the glue has to carry the metal drums when you raise the playfield. Possibly it depends on the characteristics of the glue. I think it should not dry out completly and provide some flexibility/movement.

Quoted from atg1469:

I don't suppose you took any pictures of how you utilized the fishing line did you? I ordered the same set as you and perhaps it'll make more sense once it arrives, but if there's any visual reference you could provide I'd love to see it! I think you're right about your super glue assessment, seems like it could be difficult to hold the weight of this item when you're raising the playfield. However, I'm thinking it still may be a good thing to try in combination with your method, but again I'll probably get a better idea of what to do once the item arrives and I can play around with it more. Either way, I do think this looks as good, if not better, than the other mods out there for this space. I'm also going to try and find a way to add the GnR logo to the front of the drum to really dial it in!

Quoted from Vespula:

Congrats!
Direct or disty?
Which LE # ?
Order date?
If direct, hoping they're finally into November orders?
Last/highest number I saw posted in the forum was around #1834, iirc.

Quoted from bigd1979:

Nope still waiting on my direct oct 26 order...

Quoted from PinWoofer:

Wow - what a great compliment! Here's something from our blog that's relevant to the audio discussion over the past day:
Below is the account of what we did here at PinWoofer to our Jersey Jack Pinball (JJP) electronics in an attempt to improve the backbox sound field, and to address some of the constraints inherent in the platform.
First, the JJP backbox consists of a mid-range speaker and dome tweeter on each side. The speaker components themselves are well aligned to what one will find in a high fidelity speaker system having a separate tweeter/mid-range/(woofer) arrangement enclosed in a speaker cabinet. The JJP backbox speaker enclosure is at / near ear-level which differs from most other pinball platforms (honestly, it looks VERY cool). The JJP tweeters point directly at the player. But, here is the critical part - the mid-range backbox speakers point vertically and the sound is reflected off of internal wood panels, angled towards the player position. This is a unique speaker implementation in pinball. So, does it matter? We think it does because the mid-range is reflected towards the listener as opposed to facing the player.
Imagine your home theater system in your viewing room and your listening perspective being from an adjacent room or hallway. Ask yourself how would it sound. The reflections of otherwise clean audio will be altered by walls, floors, ceiling and doorways. Perhaps the result can be described as an "echoing" effect as mid-range sound energy is absorbed as it propagates and reflects towards the listener perspective. This of course is not ideal and this scenario may be a slight exaggeration of the backbox experience of a JJP title compared to a Stern title for example, but you get the point. The reflected mid-range sounds emanating from the backbox change as energy is lost due to the reflection, and the listener receives something that has been altered by the environment, easily described as a loss of mid-range fidelity. So, the conclusion is that the resulting audio from the listeners perspective is not at its full potential. (JJP uses good backbox mid-range speakers and if they were facing the player, they would sound better.) Skilled listeners hear the effects of this placement and readily understand the problem; casual listeners have simply described the sound as "tinny".
JJP has taken the approach of adding a sound bar on top of the CE backbox and while this is a potential means to partially "fix" the platform issues discussed above (that is, making up for reflected mid-range speakers), to do this yourself on a SE/LE, you now have additional wiring from the cabinet and additional power cables cluttering your area. You need a solution to affix the sound bar so it does not vibrate and fall onto the playfield glass. Add an external sub and these problems are compounded (a complex and messy solution). Also, and too important to not mention, are the lack of equalization and tone controls which is something that the PinWoofer GT amplifier provides as part of its rich feature set, but not available today in the menu settings of most / all JJP titles.
In an attempt to address / mitigate the above constraints, we set out to add back in some of the high bass and mid-range to temper the "tinny" character of the platform by making changes to our Expander Board(TM). In large part we feel that we were successful considering the constraints. Feedback has been positive for JJP titles and we are finding that we have something that has improved the backbox field and of course, there is no question the bass emanating from the cabinet sub is dramatically improved with the PinWoofer GT amplifier and speaker upgrade.
The network analyzer curve from our JJP Expander Board shows in part, how we have addressed backbox response through targeted filtering of the signal presented to the pre-amp. Even with observed high-end roll-off there is an abundance of high end treble.
It is unfortunate that you pay $8-12K for a world-class title (and JJP has some great ones) only to find yourself trying to select, add and to juggle external sound bars, subwoofers, audio splitters and cables, only to end up with a lackluster solution. You'll have no means to fine-tune the tone and levels from a central location. You are stuck with the defaults after all of that time, effort and expense. The cost of adding the parts and pieces for external components is comparable to the PinWoofer solution and our solution requires little effort to install and includes tech support. The PinWoofer solution is by far the easiest solution, delivering superior audio with perfect all-internal integration!
https://pinwoofer.com/blog/pinwoofer-jersey-jack-audio-overview/

Quoted from Zora:

I try to make a picture that shows what I did. I must remove the microphone anyway to copy the plastic for somebody; the microphone is fixed on a separate plastic on the AXL plastic, therefore easy to remove.

Quoted from PinMonk:

Check your machine level left to right.
Try changing the eject speed in the menu (try a few different settings slower by 10s).
Bending the guide a bit can help if that didn't work.

Quoted from Cayenne:

nice tip, I reduce the power by 3-4 levels and tested it with 25 scoop ejects. No SDTM.

Quoted from Ecw0930:

I know this is an old post, but it's definitely worth reading and looking into.
I used to do a little car audio and this and that so I an understand the basics of this. Reflecting sound is never as clear and "seperated" as direct sound. The bounce will muffle it and muddy it.
I also read some posts about the crossovers in the system being adequate as is.
So, has anyone tried making a bracket for the speakers to make them face out instead of up? Making a bracket is super easy and could be done precisely and effectively rather quickly.
I mean this is what you do in cars and home audio. You point the speakers so that the sound is the best. You move the eq's and the fade/balance so that it is centered where you want it. Simply pointing the speakers AT the target could do a good enough job if you are not an audiophile and just want better sound.
Not downplaying Pinwoofer. That is EXACTLY what should be done to really optimize everything. In fact, that system with a forward facing bracket could be even better!

Quoted from c818919taylor:

Center scoop will not register.

Quoted from Cayenne:

you can use this and scale it
https://1000logos.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Guns_n_roses_logo_PNG1.png

Quoted from Pizza-Bob:

Which flipper is the ball supposed to go to?

Quoted from pduffy:

I have been searching Pinside but cant find anything. After playing a bunch, my center scoop is draining SDTM every time. The game is level as I checked that. Anyone know of a post here or remedy to fix it?
Thanks,
Duff

Quoted from psexton:

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