I ordered mine thru one of the bigger distributors on 10/16. Received yesterday.

wow, you win! Nice....I ordered through a distributor as well...by the time I got through the "CEs are not available" back and forth and locked in my order it was 10/9 I believe....and still no game. You should be thrilled! Thanks to the others that also responded...hopefully I'll be getting an email soon to pay up!

Same here. Had a loose flipper on my CE early on. Tightened it like I have dozens of others over the years and snapped it.
Replaced it with and old one from a flipper rebuild and cranked it down - no further troubles

These newer versions are not the same quality

Add me to the list of overtightening and snapping the bolt. My distributor/JJP took care of me and sent out a couple replacements.

Apologies in advance if this has been answered already, but my game is auto-launching every ball and I'm not sure how to troubleshoot this. Happens constantly, if the ball sits in the trough for a few seconds the game is gonna launch it. It used to happen a bit more intermittently but now it's constant. Any thoughts on how to correct this?

Bought mine from CGE (JJ Babbich) Oct 8th. Received yesterday

I'd remove all the balls from the game and count them. Be sure there isn't one too many in it.

LTG : )

If I’m reading this correctly, you’ll have a ball in the shooter lane and if you let it sit idle, it’ll eventually auto plunge itself. May happen in 5 seconds, may do it in 30’seconds. If that’s it, check your wire harness for the skill shot sensors directly under the playfield. See if they are nicked (see my pic). If so, you’ll want to do 2 things. Reseat the harness at both connections. And if it’s nicked, get a replacement sent from your distributor/JJP.

If balls are just continuously auto firing, then it’s probably something else.

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Please be sure the shooter lane switch isn't stuck down.

LTG : )

My LE should be getting delivered this weekend. So pumped. Anyone know what size mini flipper rubber to get for the mini playfield? I can either get 1” or 1.25”

I’m also gonna get a few pawls for the flippers in case mine break like other did.

Anything else I should buy for the game while I’m shopping?

By the way, they appear to have started using standard flipper rubber and NOT the silicone rubber any longer. Everything else still has the clear silicone rubber.

Coil sleeves and probably a few coil stops. Replacement balls. Definitely some extra flipper rubbers.

So...the balls coming from the guitar lock go straight down the middle about 50% of the time while playing. More I believe from the left than the right side. Has anyone come up with a fix yet?

The machine is level and it occurs less in test mode then when I am playing. It is annoying to lose balls with no ball saver running. The balls also appear to bounce off of the lower ramp assembly they have installed. I cannot figure out what is causing them to go down the middle.

Both of my spot lights pivot arms broke. After investigating the issue, I believe the wires going to the lights didn’t have enough slack and put extra pressure on the arms/linkage causing them to break. I know others have had the arms break. When you install the new lights, I would make sure there is enough slack in the wires to allow the lights to move the full spread and not break the arms again.

What worked for me was a very slight squeeze inward to the metal guides. This makes the ball contact the center plastic guide and steer away from the center drain. The SDTM is greatly decreased for me after this. It doesn't take much (this pic is after I did the bend)

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Here's a good kit to get you in the right direction
https://www.titanpinball.com/kits/index.php/browse/bygame/5755

I changed whatever was within reach to Titans, still have a couple PL rings and bumbers

The small flipper is listed as mini in the kit

also, I also went with 2 1/4 vs 2 inch for the slings as 2 inch Titans felt too tight, 2 1/4 feel just right to the factory 2 inch

Thanks!

While I'm waiting for my new bolts to come in, I went to Home Depot and got an Allen head #10/32 and used a fine 10/32 lock nut with the washer that was on the original. Tightened it up good, still have plenty of clearance...back in business!!!!

Just one more play

That all sounds great! Just to clarify; the link above has the tweeters included with the kit or is that something you purchase individually?

Change the coil settings. I had one side that would drain. Set that coil to 2, was 3 and now it's good

Thanks, I will give both a try.

One thing I noticed while playing is that the ball on the left lock will bounce to the right when the left diverter fires. I am not sure if the diverter is firing much when I have balls locked and being released. I thought maybe the bounce from the diverter might be occurring when the balls are being released causing them to go down the middle.

Hey Drac - the upgraded tweeters are included with the new kit and that is the correct link. Thanks for asking!

The thing that makes them go down the middle (my belief anyway) is resting on the rail and post such that it misses the center plastic guide on the way out. Contacting that guide is critical as it steers the ball away from the center.

I messed with the lock timings too but ended up resetting them to default after finding the rail fix.

Well look what the cat dragged in

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Luckily the cat had a pallet jack!

Nice doggie too !

LTG : )

So was like 8pm your time when it arrived?

You will be having fun this evening!

your Shepard looks like mine they could be twins she 13 today, Enjoy your game if the dog will let you :]

Well look what the cat dragged in

Dusty turns 7 next month. She’s the best!

arrived at 1pm but I waited around for help.....

whats in the extra box. you bought extra Backglasses too?. Man you went all out!
And if it is you risking it all standing it up like that with Black dog by it

Beta build 6 seems to be addressing coil heat!

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I won't update from 1.19 until I see Desert Demolition implemented

I am not able to update beyond 1.17. Curious on the fix. I apologize if this was already mentioned in the history. My time zone and date are correct. It downloads, but does not install.

Thoughts?

Todd

Try a USB delta install.

LTG : )

Hey all, does the spinning record have a defaulted resistance position where the bumper usually winds up in the lane? My record has a noticeable resistance point, and not quite a click, more of a rub sound that seems to slow the spin to eventually (80%) of the time have the bumper line up in the shot lane for the next shot. Is this by design? I'm assuming it is, but you know what they say about assuming

Great news, especially on that diverter that could hit temps up to around 230F after a couple hours play, which is crazy.

Click on the "topic index" at the top of any page in this thread, sort by "keypost summary" and look for the "TECH:" section. There's a linked post for 1.15-1.17 code.

Update on my spinning record from post #8436...it looks like my record was slightly off center, I gave it a little push on on end and now it seems to spin pretty freely...Does anyone know how this thing works, is there a trick to keeping it from going off center and rubbing?

I have a early wake up call so I’ll tackle this seemingly easy fix tomorrow but out of curiosity has this happened to anyone ? The plastic bent upwards and is a hair from touching/scratching the stage screen .We only have 40-50 plays on it so I’m not sure when it even happened My only worry is it happening again and scratching the screen .As always any help is greatly appreciated .

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Okay on the record it looks like the "teeth" were rubbing on the frame mount underneath the playfield pushed them ever so slightly, noise is gone and it spins freely...doh

It would be interesting to measure the dB’s of the potential buzzing against the dB’s from the Tehitian Breeze fans and compare the fade.

*Tibetan (not Tehitian...that would be counterproductive)

The (desperately needed and welcome) software changes won't eliminate the flipper coil fade. It will just delay it, which might be good enough for another 20% or so of the users that won't have to deal with it since they play shorter games.. Stern Spike has excellent hold management and it still has fade. You cannot escape the heat problem it if you play a pin long enough.

Mine currently exhibit fade symptoms well within 20 minutes. This is likely due to the multitude of multiballs I typically hit PRIOR to ever starting the song, and even then I tend not to start a song until I have at minimum 3 locked, creating another multiball scenario during the song. All these multiballs seem to contribute to faster fade and hence my desire to minimize as much as practically possible.

Bottomline, I’ll take all the help I can get wrt fade!

That is about normal from the jjGnR temp probe testing. Right flipper reaches the fade zone at 15 minutes, left about 5 minutes later, and upper right about 5 minutes after that. So uncooled, before this software change, all the flippers were affected by fade by about the 25 minute mark.

So either it's not enough fade to matter or people aren't playing their gnr pins for extended periods? why isn't this being talked about as a number one issue unless the fade just isn't enough to affect game play? It's there a gnr flipper fade post that's on fire that I'm missing out on?
Just because it's noticeable maybe doesn't equate to enough to significantly impair game play? I'm really curious if it's just a known pin "thing" but not really a showstopper or much of an issue?
However, obviously there's enough chatter about it that it became a setting in the beta code, so there is that... Is there a hard stop playing this pin all out for a certain period of time like say 45 to 60 minutes where this fade becomes such an issue and you literally have to stop playing and let the coils cool down because you just can't make shots due to the fade?
I'd really like to know from the people that have their gnr pins, both the ones who just got them and are probably and hopefully wearing them out having a blast and those that have had them for months.. you all are in the position to comment on real world experiences with this. Thoughts?

I had a bunch of people testing JJP machines with temperature probes for near real-time temps, so I have temp data for all of them from multiple sources (to account for play style differences). All of them have fade to some degree.

Karl DeAngelo streamed all of his testing on jjGnR and jjPotC uncooled and then cooled. I tried to find one of his early uncooled videos so you could see the crazy temps it hit, but all I could find was one with cooled coils:

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/974090510?filter=archives&sort=time

Uncooled GnR the left flipper peaked at 180.8F (at 90 minutes), the Right flipper peaked at 219.8F at 125 min and the upper right peaked at 181 at 80 minutes. Generally speaking, Spooky and JJP run much hotter than Spike, mostly due (IMO) to MUCH better hold handling on Spike which doesn't increase the temps almost at all when the flipper is holding. JJP and Spooky keep going up while in hold, which makes much higher temps much quicker for trap players.

There are spike temps on a chart on the spike product page here:
https://pinside.com/pinball/market/shops/1170-pin-monk/04203-tibetan-breeze-spike-2-flipper-coil-cooling-kit

You can see that, across the board, Spike temps are lower than JJP/Spooky, but the do still have fade on a number of machines.

Very interesting. Thanks.
I love the geeky data of knowing peak temp after X minutes ...but how does this translate to the game play experience? Did karl have to stop playing once they got to the peak temp or is it just a phenomenon the player has to adapt to in game play because of the fade.... I'll know eventually I suppose. I'm just curious now if it really matters when I have my GNR marathon party... Oh and realistically how long does it take to cool down? 5 or 10 minutes of rest?

Because it’s happening and they don’t realize it. Some think they are just all of a sudden missing shots for no reason. But there is a reason. Haha

Usually all shots can still be made, but timing changes and most likely, backhands become very hard or impossible.

Ah.. I get it. Thanks. How fast do coils cool down to fresh temp generally after reaching that max temp/fade point if you stop playing to rest them? Minutes? Half hour?