Probably not early code haha. But there’s an entire mode not coded in. And keefer has acknowledged the scoring imbalances.

It’s not a ‘samey’ stern type of game. To me, it’s more of a ‘fun’ rockin game - hey it’s a music pin. I find games like AC/DC and JP more linear, but that’s me. I still think GOT and SW are some of the best strategy style games and You seem to like that more than fun, so this game might not suit your lineup. Not yet at least.

If you want to open the scoring depth up, see if the operator can adjust some settings. Increase power chord timer and reduce ball save timers. I just tried it, and seems pretty cool actually, game is less busy and now gives more meaning to power chord. Reduce some of the ball saver features to add risk since you’re adding another element of scoring with power chord. My best is around 12 mil I believe. Note: if you hit duff on the upper playfield, it’ll give you a power chord multiplier. I’m not sure if it maxes out, but it holds for the entire song - goes back to 1x after the song or encore.

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Haha. Not a chance unfortunately.

Appreciate the help though. Power chord is definitely right up my alley, but getting a six ball one seems almost impossible. Good challenge to go for none the less. Gonna try for it next time.

Vater, Skull, Gun, Rose i try to score during 2 ball multiple to start these out and build song values, lock balls. PAst few song starts were 192 and 162, and neither was able to collect the 30M jackpot

Don't all pins have that standard protection? I'm still going with a Cliffy.

GNR is a very deep game and I think you may be simplifying it a bit too much. All of the song modes play differently in regards to different shots being required to be hit on the playfield. Song modes shots can also change as it's played through, that's pretty cool. Each song mode can be played as a single ball or a multiball mode. Theres a variety of other multiball modes that can be stacked with song modes. Finally there's the album modes which are essentially mini wizard modes. Finally finally lol there's a super wizard mode. All of that is layering that very few games do.

I know a lot of people say ACDC is deep but that pins looks extremely shallow compared to GNR. The song modes in that game are very dull in my opinion, all requiring a player to just bash one specific shot over and over again versus working the playfield. All of the multiballs are similar with no unique animations and there's not even 1 mini wizard mode.

Is anyone else having problems with their spotlights? My left spotlight quit moving up and down, talked with JJP technical support and they are sending me a new assembly. Just looked at my right spotlight and noticed the plastic linkage that moved the light up and down is broke as well, guess I will have to replace both now.

Same thing happened to me within a day of owning the machine on my left spotlight. Sent a message to JJP and they are sending me a replacement assembly as well.

100%. Compare ‘Civil War’ to ‘November Rain’.

What "variety of other multiballs" can be stacked with song modes?

Yes. 3 days in on ours and the left spotlight stopped moving up and down.
The linkage is totally busted.
Sent a tech support email but they won’t get ii until Monday.
Guess they may need to beef these parts up a bit.

Lights multiball vs amps.

Couple of quick questions.
What lights the locks on the Gibson upper ball lock? (Other than Mystery awards)
And is the girls voice in the game callouts Melissa from the band or a voice actor?

Huh?

Will JJP sell someone a spare upper playfield?

Yes. You can start a song with Lights maxed or you can also start a song with Amps maxed.

Those are pre-song multiballs. I asked Panzer what variety of multiballs can be stacked with song modes.

Each band member you collect enables one lock on the upper playfield.

AFAIK the in-song "multiball" is limited to the locks you enter the song with, and boosted with add-a-ball at the scoop.

Been playing and tweaking around with my GNR all weekend and came up with quite a many of adjustments that I thought I’d share with the community. I’m really digging these settings so far, especially the software adjustments.

Pitch: raised from 6.8 to approx to 7.2. Bubble just under the 3rd line (see screenshot). This helps considerably with flipper snag plus the flow and speed is much better too. I believe this right around where Karl D’Angelo is at as well.

Flipper power: to compensate for the steep pitch...
Left flipper: 25
Right flipper: 29
Upper right: 20

Game settings:
Lights multiball qualifying: 3
GNR spellout for mystery: 10
Member max ball save: 10
Max song ball saver: 45
Super lock timeout (power chord): 25 - EDIT: I may bring this down to 20. Default is 15.

So these settings make the game harder in some areas, easier in others. It gives another choice in going for powerchord over other song objectives. It also slows down the chaos of multiball by allowing you to dump balls in the lock longer. However, to compensate for this, I reduced ball saver max time and harder to build it giving you more decisions to make.

Enjoy.
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Unless I misunderstood, I saw a video of an interview with the game developers of GNR that the girl's voice on the callouts is actually a band member.

I just tested my spotlights, the linkage on each one of them is broken. 5 days old on my machine. I will contact my distributor.

Yea, that’s Melissa. She is awesome! Love her call outs.

here hold my beer..... come back when you lose 60 million like i did.

Shoot the Duff Bass guitar ramp on the upper playfield during the song multiball. It multiplies the Powerchord jackpots for each shot made prior to cashing the powerchord jackpot.

Dunno about that but i won one signed by the design team.

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My opinion on this game is way different but i prefer modes and actual feel of moving through a story as I play the modes. Its not deep at all when it comes to progressing to Wizard modes. Most new Sterns are coded better and every JJP is coded better so far when it comes to feeling like your progressing in a game. Play a song from each album for what 3 minutes then start the album modes. I almost beat the game on the 1st or 2nd day playing it like a mode based game not knowing it was a game setup for jackpots. Every song does have different lights but really they all felt the same besides the light show. Slash solo and the two UYI album modes are worthless so far but im sure that will be fixed. When i compare it to Wonka code Wonka(much better layout and smooth with satisfying shots) is a adventure with way better code thats actually alot of fun for me where GnR feels like another MET but with even less things to achieve but way more songs. The songs light shows is the best thing this game has going on for it and the assets are decent but not as good as BM66. Easily the worst JJP to date if your looking for a mode based adventure but the best JJP if you like to just go for high scores. I loved killing Smaug and melting the Witch, where is that level of fun on this game? This is just my opinion coming from a person that loves a adventure under glass, I never look at my score while playing any game until the games over so being a jackpot oriented game just killed any staying power and fun for me on this one.

With a music pin I don't think an adventure / quest ruleset such as the ones found on LOTR, Hobbit, and WOZ would work. Those three games are among the deepest in pinball but there are other ways to make a ruleset deep.

GNR is deep in the way of how song modes can be played (single ball or going for a specific multiball), choosing to continue a song mode (where the shots then change) or cashing in a song jackpot. The applause jackpot, rock meter, encore, and booed off stage features are also elements that adds to the games depth and creating a world under glass with that being going on a concert tour.

There's a lot of variety and choice with GNR compared to other music pins. Choice also includes being able to play 1 of 21 different song modes which almost double then any other music pin. The 4 album modes in the game are then your mini wizard type modes, qualified I think by playing 3 minutes of a song. The 3 minute album mode qualifier is to earn a silver record, there's also golf and platinum. To top it all of there's a super wizard mode.

When you factor in all of these ruleset elements GNR is pretty damn deep, easily deeper then all other music pins and a majority of non music based pins. Personally I felt like MET was chopping wood with many of a majority of it modes simply requiring the player to hit the same shot over and over again. Hit the ramps 10x, hit the snake 10x, hit Sparky 10x. The Crank it Up modes offered shot variety but I didn't like having to play through a bunch of "hit this shot 10x" style modes to get there.

Hopefully we just got a bad batch of linkages and that new ones will not break like these do, my game is just a week old as well. I would be interested if this has been on going since the early games

I bet a lot of owners never notice that the lights stop moving up and down. They still move left and right.

I usually don’t post about small issues, but when I saw this questionable linkage setup I felt compelled to get the word out in hopes that maybe a design change would be made. I don’t have much confidence in the long term durability of this linkage.

Iron Maiden is a music pin with a story that is coded alot better with all around better layout also when comparing music pins but LZ is terrible code similar to GnR with no story. I just think the codes not fun to play if your expecting any kind of story or adventure. I knew right away that the game wasnt for me. Some like to go for high scores but personally Id rather play Ghostbusters and progress through the movie scenes then just playing songs for jackpots. To each his own just wanted to express as many guys that I know that sold there GnRs already have told me the same thing.

I wonder if "Maxing" lights prior to a song, makes them more active in the song?

Any November orders out there getting their games yet?

13 mil in about one minute of play isn’t too shabby. Granted, it’s the first time I’ve ever completed the mode in about 50 attempts haha.

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Nice!

Added a Pinwoofer superkit to my CE as I thought the base was really non-existent. I’m no audiophile but wow, it made a huge difference as I can now hear and feel it! Also the voices and everything else sounds crisper too.

One note- it’s recommended to disable the CE soundbar as Pinwoofer says it pollutes the upgraded sound with their kit. Thought that was kind of a bummer at first, but I didn’t care afterwards as the sound became louder and clearer.

If you have a LE, I think this kit is better than trying to add a soundbar topper and/or external sub.

You think you want this, but trust me you don't. This was a common refrain from the awful Pinside hivemind with regard to Wonka.

If you're playing through a story, it's linear. It's repetitive. And it will get boring fast.

Nice! I hate this mode... I think I’d like it if they would allow the cannon to spin Back around if that makes sense

One of the patches allows this!

This. I prefer my pinball as I prefer my video games and porn - plot-free.

Like he said... Use your Illusion II Album - Cannon Can Wrap Around in Tear Down the Wall

Nice to hear more people liking the kit. I ordered mine last week and it is supposed to show up this week. For a music pin, one would think they would install a better sound setup. I am surprised Slash didn’t’ encourage them to make it sound better. I am also surprised they are not selling a subwoofer add on kit.

Yeah this pin isn't for you then. Stick with Wizard of Oz or Hobbit. This is a players pin for people that like fast, brutal and a adrenaline rush. Much like a concert.

The Album Modes need scoring improvements/work and more depth.

By far, one of the worst strategies for a decent score is to look up and see a pending jackpot north of 40 million. It does something to your ability to keep the ball in play. Proven fact.

Didn’t know that, not sure I love they solve though

So this happened.............Finally got our new LE. Love it. Say what you will, but this is the most immersive game we own. Couple of issues that i am seeing and I am throwing them out to the crowd.

I installed the shooter lane Cliffys and now i am getting some weird ass short. the left sling just started going crazy as did the auto eject. I went to the test and say the entire row of switches on the was brown and blinking. I thought I isolated it and found that the shooter rod was causing it. Moved some stuff around, The auto eject mech and it stopped, however, when I tilt it up into service mode it kicks a few times. How could I have shorted anything with the Cliffy weird.

Also a couple of ball stick points that are driving me up the wall. Under the drumsticks coming down where the rollover is, and on the left orbit. If you do not zing it up the left orbit, it gets stuck in la la land. Cant see it and have to use another ball to retrieve it. Also ball was getting stuck under the left wire form. bent it up a bit and good to go. Any thoughts on the others?

Adjust switches so they have less tension trapping the ball and letting it roll by and still work.

LTG : )

I SUGGEST EVERYONE UN-PLUG THE SERVOS TO THE SPOTLIGHTS FOR A FUTURE CODE UPDATE!!!!
EDIT: Could be a hardware issue in April machines? Awaiting new assemblies for replacement.

It's a ball-search issue. I know Code v1.19 will SEVERELY over-drive light movements during ball search. This crashes the lights into their neighboring objects. If your lights aren't broken yet, they will be. I cannot find a setting to disable them; the best solution I see is to power off the machine and pull apart the servo connectors. I discovered this a moment ago and cannot say if ball-search does this in other code versions.
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Ok... So two two things....

1. PLEASE pinball_keefer code a "lost song jackpot" screen somewhere if you drain and don't cash out...(or to be a bit cruel... a "high score")

and

2. I had a 118M jackpot on Paradise city going and LOST it!!

My kids ran down wondering if I was ok when I screamed in agony...

Damn this game is awesome...