I tried!! Still on 1.16 and working fine. Probably best to just wait until the wifi dload is ready.
(Topic ID: 278791)
Linked Games
Guns N' Roses (CE)
Jersey Jack, 2020-
Guns N' Roses (LE)
Jersey Jack, 2020
-
Guns N' Roses (SE)
Jersey Jack, 2020
Topic Gallery
Vancouver, BC
Quoted from pinball_keefer:Yessir, when it goes live.
Dd will get done if I can ever stop working on bugs, which is hopefully now.
One time over a beer you will have to tell me how you chase down the bugs. Seems would be much harder than straight forward coding
Quoted from punkin:I worked out what vireland said by reading his posts. You should try it. I quoted both posts in the post you quoted of mine, so you should manage.
As far as believing me, there's no need as i haven't said anything about the numbers as i'm not an exec at JJP so wouldn't a fucking clue. I have only quoted different claims here from other people and extrapolated them.
Stick up for your mate's claims by all means, but don't attribute any claims to me as i haven't made any.
And by the way, i think vireland seems like a great bloke and i have a great deal of respect for most of what he types.
Ha ha... you make me laugh. I did not mean any offence.
We have bets on when people are going to get their games in OZ. I think the next container to Australia will not leave until late April or early May. We are number 350's (I cannot remember exactly) in Australia for a LE so I think we are not going to get our game until the end of 2022. The only way I think we are getting it earlier is if people bail out.
The reason JJP do not want their manufacturing schedule public is because people will bail out of their orders if they realize how long they have to wait for their machine. Does not bother us how long it takes to get here.
Quoted from wcbrandes:One time over a beer you will have to tell me how you chase down the bugs. Seems would be much harder than straight forward coding
5E3E1B79-5612-4589-B7CF-B3069499520B.gif
Brisbane
Quoted from pinballaddicted:Ha ha... you make me laugh. I did not mean any offence.
We have bets on when people are going to get their games in OZ. I think the next container to Australia will not leave until late April or early May. We are number 350's (I cannot remember exactly) in Australia for a LE so I think we are not going to get our game until the end of 2022. The only way I think we are getting it earlier is if people bail out.
The reason JJP do not want their manufacturing schedule public is because people will bail out of their orders if they realize how long they have to wait for their machine. Does not bother us how long it takes to get here.
You mean the end of 2021 right? If it's 2022 I may as well buy something else to play in the meantime and then sell it once I'm asked to cough up the remainder rather than just have 14K sitting in the bank waiting......
Quoted from allsportdvd:You mean the end of 2021 right? If it's 2022 I may as well buy something else to play in the meantime and then sell it once I'm asked to cough up the remainder rather than just have 14K sitting in the bank waiting......
No I mean the end of 2022 for us, hopefully earlier but I doubt it. We were hanging out to get a CE. That is not happening now so we ordered a LE a few weeks ago. 66 games fit in a big container so by my reasoning we are on container 6 or 7 (small containers are coming in as well). In Australia we have had 1 small container arrive in 4 months.. I am sure you can work out the rest.
Find out where in the list (Wayne at Mr Pinball can tell you) you are and you can work out approx when your game will be made. I am thinking they are making approx 50 games per week. You can work it out if you add up all the models and JJP build their games in serial number order. This could change as they may go faster or slower, this we will never work out. It is nice that pinsiders are posting their serial numbers, you can see how many games have been shipped.
I am fairly confident Stern will release 6 games before we get our Gunners! I think CGC will release at least 2 plus all the other guys. No way we are waiting for one game. If we like the next Stern, we are in!
You do not want to be an early adopter with JJP games. Always better to wait so they iron out their bugs. We would have sat the CE in the garage untouched for a while to make sure there are no major issues. Just my opinion.
Quoted from pinballaddicted:Ha ha... you make me laugh. I did not mean any offence.
We have bets on when people are going to get their games in OZ. I think the next container to Australia will not leave until late April or early May. We are number 350's (I cannot remember exactly) in Australia for a LE so I think we are not going to get our game until the end of 2022. The only way I think we are getting it earlier is if people bail out.
The reason JJP do not want their manufacturing schedule public is because people will bail out of their orders if they realize how long they have to wait for their machine. Does not bother us how long it takes to get here.
I'm not in the least offended. I've got my LE. Send me a PM, you can come play it if i still have it when you get here.
I was only pointing out that i hadn't said anything about what JJP was doing so no-one has any need to believe me.
The post you quoted was one i made an observation about someone saying they were up on things and less than 500 made. An hour later the same person revised that figure by adding 100%.
Same with when the next container leaves, only JJP knows. I don't think they tell Paul or any of their other distributors bugger all.
Same again with you saying they won't release numbers or dates as if you are speaking from knowledge. You don't know why JJP (and for that matter every single other pinball manufacturer) does this, but you are saying 'The reason is". You don't know the reason, you are guessing. I have another theory about why and i think it relates to their competition. I'm not saying it as if i know though, i don't.
LaughAwayPunkin
St. Louis, MO
Quoted from punkin:I'm not in the least offended. I've got my LE. Send me a PM, you can come play it if i still have it when you get here.
I was only pointing out that i hadn't said anything about what JJP was doing so no-one has any need to believe me.
The post you quoted was one i made an observation about someone saying they were up on things and less than 500 made. An hour later the same person revised that figure by adding 100%.
Same with when the next container leaves, only JJP knows. I don't think they tell Paul or any of their other distributors bugger all.
Same again with you saying they won't release numbers or dates as if you are speaking from knowledge. You don't know why JJP (and for that matter every single other pinball manufacturer) does this, but you are saying 'The reason is". You don't know the reason, you are guessing. I have another theory about why and i think it relates to their competition. I'm not saying it as if i know though, i don't.
LaughAwayPunkin
Thanks for the offer, appreciate it. We live a long way apart!
I think Victor was trying to say less than 500 CEs and 900 games in total (all models). He can tell from the serial number how many games have been shipped and so can I. That is pretty good fact to make predictions with.
Correct about the guesses but they are only my opinion. At over $15K a pop it is bad business leaving cash in the bank waiting for a game from a supplier that will not give you a delivery date. To be honest, I have already written that $1500 off. The game gets here when it gets here.
Stern and AMD give you an approximate delivery date when you order your game. The last 20 times we have ordered they have been on the money every time. We can manage our cash flow and confidently buy and sell games to enjoy the hobby as much as we can.
Quoted from atg1469:Just got the call too, the LEs are coming boys!!
When did you put your order in? I know, a very rough way to judge since I don’t know how many were sold in between when you ordered it and when I ordered it, but curious.
Quoted from pinballaddicted:No I mean the end of 2022 for us, hopefully earlier but I doubt it. We were hanging out to get a CE. That is not happening now so we ordered a LE a few weeks ago. 66 games fit in a big container so by my reasoning we are on container 6 or 7 (small containers are coming in as well). In Australia we have had 1 small container arrive in 4 months.. I am sure you can work out the rest.
Find out where in the list (Wayne at Mr Pinball can tell you) you are and you can work out approx when your game will be made. I am thinking they are making approx 50 games per week. You can work it out if you add up all the models and JJP build their games in serial number order. This could change as they may go faster or slower, this we will never work out. It is nice that pinsiders are posting their serial numbers, you can see how many games have been shipped.
I am fairly confident Stern will release 6 games before we get our Gunners! I think CGC will release at least 2 plus all the other guys. No way we are waiting for one game. If we like the next Stern, we are in!
You do not want to be an early adopter with JJP games. Always better to wait so they iron out their bugs. We would have sat the CE in the garage untouched for a while to make sure there are no major issues. Just my opinion.
How would Wayne know when Mr Pinball isn't the JJP distributor? I did order on day 1 and agree with potentially 30 arriving at a time we are in for a long wait. I think I'll buy another machine to play for a while and then sell it to pay for this (probably for a profit too lol)
Quoted from allsportdvd:How would Wayne know when Mr Pinball isn't the JJP distributor? I did order on day 1 and agree with potentially 30 arriving at a time we are in for a long wait. I think I'll buy another machine to play for a while and then sell it to pay for this (probably for a profit too lol)
Not exactly sure how Wayne knows mate. He offered this on the AA (Aussie Arcade) Gunners thread and a couple of my mates asked for their position and he gave it to them. Wayne is a really good dude, always been great with us. When we ordered Gunners we asked Paul how many he had sold including us so we know approx where we are... Nowhere! I cannot remember if the number was 350 or 380 as I was laughing knowing our game is not anywhere soon.
Quoted from Eskaybee:These code updates coupled with a non working magnet have kind of taken the sails out of playing the game. Hoping to turn that around this weekend. First update code; second replace magnet coil.
I received my replacement coil as well. Anyone know if the causing problem has been fixed?
Quoted from pinball_keefer:If you are so inclined, here is an iso link: https://we.tl/t-O5LJgPQOD6
Prada appreciates your 1.19 update in her Guns and Roses pinball machine. Thank you Keith !
LTG : )
DSC00472 (resized).JPGI placed an order for an LE a couple weeks ago. Distributor estimated an Aug/Sept timeframe. We'll see...
I think this was asked before but not sure it was answered. The music volume during a song seems to cut out whenever there are call outs. Is there a setting to prevent that or a way to tweak it so the song volume doesn’t lower when a call out occurs?
Quoted from pinball_keefer:Sorry for the repeated bugs, guys. It is unfortunate but there's not enough internal resources to test everything every time, but it's not like we don't ANY testing. Anyway, we are testing 1.19 now which does in fact solve the crash and as a bonus also solves what I believe is the actual problem with infinite encore (I did a previous fix for this which turned out to be a red herring for the most common problem).
The crash bug was related to some additional not-directly-related-to-the-rest-of-the-fixes code to address display bog. The crash is resolved, and the display still looks a lot better than it did.
In all cases, we tried to turn around code to solve the previous problems, and sometimes, especially recently, it caused other, potentially worse, problems.
Not saying 1.19 is bug-free, but it should be a much better experience than everything else lately. If you are so inclined, here is an iso link: https://we.tl/t-O5LJgPQOD6 Otherwise you can wait for wifi or usb delta tomorrow.
Soon we'll be announcing some ways we'll mitigate these issues in the future.
Just updated to 1.19 via USB with no issues... Thanks Keith!!!
Quoted from PinMonk:They're averaging just under 50 a week, and the CEs are still under 300 shipped, so probably safe to say the sum total made of SE, LE, CEs so far is less than 500.
Seems like that number should be closer to 850.
Quoted from atg1469:Just got the call too, the LEs are coming boys!!
I hope that Chaka reads that post ☝️ ... be patient my good friend Chaka, soon you will have your LE at home! 
Quoted from pinball_keefer:Sorry for the repeated bugs, guys. It is unfortunate but there's not enough internal resources to test everything every time, but it's not like we don't ANY testing.
Escaped defects happen. It's a fact of software life. Users forget quickly once they are patched!
The awesome ruleset and thought put into goal progression is what perseveres.
Quoted from Rolls-Royce:I hope that Chaka reads that post ☝️ ... be patient my good friend Chaka, soon you will have your LE at home!
4BBE0788-23B7-4CD3-A9F0-29638F6601E7 (resized).jpegQuoted from thechakapakuni:[quoted image]
HAHAHAHAHA!!! 
lol!
Quoted from PinMonk:They weren't at 50/week from the start. CEs are less than 300, for sure, based on serials from recent deliveries. I doubt they've even matched that with LEs so far, but once LEs are back on the line and people post their boxes with the serial as they get them we'll know for sure.
My CE was delivered last Friday. Serial #320
Quoted from TaTa:My CE was delivered last Friday. Serial #320
Awesome. Thanks for posting!
Full payment in and spot is cleared ! Now I’m in full blown clock watching mode .Reminds me of being young the day after thanksgiving counting the hours until Christmas .
Quoted from dnapac:When did you put your order in? I know, a very rough way to judge since I don’t know how many were sold in between when you ordered it and when I ordered it, but curious.
I purchased someone else’s pre-sale spot in Late November, doubt that’s going to help much.
Well, I have been informed by my distributor that my LE is on its way and should arrive in the next few weeks. I ordered it on 6 October.
Just got word from my distributor 3-4 weeks out from today on my LE. I ordered on Oct 8th...Happy Dance ensues
Quoted from allsportdvd:How would Wayne know when Mr Pinball isn't the JJP distributor? I did order on day 1 and agree with potentially 30 arriving at a time we are in for a long wait. I think I'll buy another machine to play for a while and then sell it to pay for this (probably for a profit too lol)
I believe i read somewhere Wayne saying they were mates and talked to each other everyday.
Quoted from dnapac:You ordered 10 days ago and only have 4 weeks before delivery?
I guess I should have clarified, October 8th
Quoted from fooflighter:I guess I should have clarified, October 8th
Ah! That makes more sense. I think I’m gonna look for another new pin for now...as I wait for GNR. I figure I have between 6-9 months. I like Spooky a lot, and they are due to come out with their next sometime this summer... 
Quoted from dnapac:Ah! That makes more sense. I think I’m gonna look for another new pin for now...as I wait for GNR. I figure I have between 6-9 months. I like Spooky a lot, and they are due to come out with their next sometime this summer...
Better order earlier...I’m sure you know but Rick and morty took a really long time to roll out and they are still making them
Quoted from Happy81724:Better order earlier...I’m sure you know but Rick and morty took a really long time to roll out and they are still making them
I got lucky. Got number 48 and picked it up the weekend before everything shut down. Played continuously R&M during this craziness...you’d think I’d be better at it... 
. I know to get in early and be on the ball. Can’t wait to hear the next title they are doing!
Quoted from dnapac:I got lucky. Got number 48 and picked it up the weekend before everything shut down. Played continuously R&M during this craziness...you’d think I’d be better at it... . I know to get in early and be on the ball. Can’t wait to hear the next title they are doing!
Cool! How long did it take from the time you ordered to the time you received it? My buddy is still waiting for his and my other buddy got his last month
Quoted from Happy81724:Cool! How long did it take from the time you ordered to the time you received it? My buddy is still waiting for his and my other buddy got his last month
I ordered on the day it went up for sale...can’t remember the exact day. It sold out in 4 hours, so got really lucky. Since the shutdown they got behind, but have been cranking them out now. I think they are in the mid/upper 500s.
Quoted from mostater:I placed an order for an LE a couple weeks ago. Distributor estimated an Aug/Sept timeframe. We'll see...
I was given a similar time frame. Feb 14th order date.
I want to ask is anybody hearing anything from JJP themselves that ordered games directly from them or is everybody thats being told to pay up and given a time frame all from distributors not JJP themselves?
Quoted from Phbooms:I want to ask is anybody hearing anything from JJP themselves that ordered games directly from them or is everybody thats being told to pay up and given a time frame all from distributors not JJP themselves?
My response was from my distributor. Not JJP. Time frame was provided and no final payment requested yet. I presume my distributor will not ask for final payment until it is being shipped or it has been received.
Quoted from Phbooms:I want to ask is anybody hearing anything from JJP themselves that ordered games directly from them or is everybody thats being told to pay up and given a time frame all from distributors not JJP themselves?
I was asked for full payment from JJP last Monday and the game arrived Friday.
Quoted from Gritty:I was asked for full payment from JJP last Monday and the game arrived Friday.
Thanks for info, can i asked one more question of you, when did you order your game? Also is yours a LE or CE?
Quoted from Gritty:I was asked for full payment from JJP last Monday and the game arrived Friday.
Mind if I ask what day you placed your order with JJP? Really trying to get a feel for what others can expect here with timing.
(oops, Phbooms beat me to it, see above)
Hi everyone. I've had my GNR LE now for about a month and today I achieved 35M + as a score. I'm running V1.14. My question is, what is the average score on this pin. is 35M low?, high. or average? I'm starting to understand the rules better, so I'm just curious.
Anyone still having problems downloading 1.19 via WiFi? I tried updating from 1.16 to 1.19....everything seemed to download fine, but when the game rebooted it was still on 1.16
Quoted from AvidPinPlayer:Hi everyone. I've had my GNR LE now for about a month and today I achieved 35M + as a score. I'm running V1.14. My question is, what is the average score on this pin. is 35M low?, high. or average? I'm starting to understand the rules better, so I'm just curious.
You are ten times as good as me and 1/3rd as good as the couple of podcasts i've seen.
Order one day one from JJP. I received the machine on Friday I paid in full on the Friday before. CE 382. Shipped with 1.17. No major issues thus far. I did reseat the power cord coil because it didn’t seem to be behaving properly. No issues since.
Quoted from PtownPin:Anyone still having problems downloading 1.19 via WiFi? I tried updating from 1.16 to 1.19....everything seemed to download fine, but when the game rebooted it was still on 1.16
I bit the bullet and decided to try to upgrade to 1.19 from 1.18. Had no issues, worked over WiFi.
Promoted items from Pinside Marketplace and Pinside Shops!
Reply
Wanna join the discussion? Please sign in to reply to this topic.
Hey there! Welcome to Pinside!
Donate to PinsideGreat to see you're enjoying Pinside! Did you know Pinside is able to run without any 3rd-party banners or ads, thanks to the support from our visitors? Please consider a donation to Pinside and get anext to your username to show for it! Or better yet, subscribe to Pinside+!
