The Official EM Gottlieb Abra-Ca-Dabra Club - Droolers Welcomed!

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The Official EM Gottlieb Abra-Ca-Dabra Club - Droolers Welcomed!


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4 years ago



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#351 13 days ago
Quoted from mbaumle:

Consider me a drooler. I first played the game in a museum in St. Louis when I was traveling out that way, and fell in love with the game. I've had my eyes out for one of these for quite some time, but I haven't been able to find one local. I love how Gottlieb was really selective about what to backlight on their backglasses, and ACD's art is so atypical for the era, it's doubly alluring.

A minor ripoff on Lord of the Rings. Gottlieb thought about releasing a "Wizard" game, AAB 5 years earlier. it had some neat scoring.

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#352 13 days ago

pinhead52 built a beautiful display box for the Gottlieb Wizard backglass a couple of years ago.

For any who may not have seen it previously, here is a link to a video I made of which the first minute focuses on the lighting patterns he applied, and the balance of the video highlights the box, the contrast of Wizard vs. Abra Ca Dabra, and the artwork.

Please note that the video also contains an audio song track, so both full screen viewing and loud volume are recommended

https://vimeo.com/173113051

Here is also a link to the original thread where pinhead52 detailed the display box build, and which includes a surprise backglass handling error

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/display-box-for-gtb-wizard-bg

#353 13 days ago
Quoted from pinhead52:

A minor ripoff on Lord of the Rings. Gottlieb thought about releasing a "Wizard" game, AAB 5 years earlier. it had some neat scoring.
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How can this backglass exist if GTB only thought about making it? Anyone have more detailed knowledge of history or link to detailed explanation? Do these exist? Has anyone ever tried to build a working one?

#354 13 days ago
Quoted from spinal:

How can this backglass exist if GTB only thought about making it? Anyone have more detailed knowledge of history or link to detailed explanation? Do these exist? Has anyone ever tried to build a working one?

IPDB suggests "very few units produced", probably as samples, for export. the backglass came up on ebay and it was a nice snag. a shout out to Pinball Pimp who made modified stencils.

#355 13 days ago

Wow! Nice find, Pinhead52! Thanks for working to hard to properly preserve, but also display that backglass. I'd love to see the whole game in action some day. I wonder if it was the atypical flipper arrangement that killed it. Gottlieb didn't make too many layouts like that in the 70s.

#356 13 days ago
Quoted from mbaumle:

Wow! Nice find, Pinhead52! Thanks for working to hard to properly preserve, but also display that backglass. I'd love to see the whole game in action some day. I wonder if it was the atypical flipper arrangement that killed it. Gottlieb didn't make too many layouts like that in the 70s.

If you look at the flyer for Wizard they had a wacky cab design

https://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=2802&picno=49610

So I took poetic license to use the Abra design for the Wizard glass display box.

If anybody would like a display box they are relatively easy to build. Ive got a Lucky Strike glass I need to build a box for.

#357 13 days ago

Wow super rare and pretty wild layout too!

#358 11 days ago

Questions on scoring:
1) how do the pops “1000 when lit” get activated? Mine are lighting up with flipper hits. Doesn’t seem correct.

2) average game scores. I am scoring 80-90,000 points without dropping all the targets and hiring bonus bullseye. Something must be off. Where should
I be looking?

This is my first EM....

#359 9 days ago
Quoted from Blitzburgh99:

Questions on scoring:
1) how do the pops “1000 when lit” get activated? Mine are lighting up with flipper hits. Doesn’t seem correct.
2) average game scores. I am scoring 80-90,000 points without dropping all the targets and hiring bonus bullseye. Something must be off. Where should
I be looking?
This is my first EM....

Are you getting points (10 pointers or pop hits) just by whacking the cabinet around and/or pushing the flipper buttons? If so, check the gaps on the scoring switches nearby...

Are your pops staying lit and scoring 1000 more than 50% of your game time? They should be alternating on and off with 10 point hits in 5 ball games...

Set to 3 or 5 ball?

#360 9 days ago

Set to 5 ball. Both pop lights are staying lit whole game and always scoring 1000. Only get 10 points when ball hits the two slings up top.

#361 9 days ago
Quoted from Blitzburgh99:

Set to 5 ball. Both pop lights are staying lit whole game and always scoring 1000. Only get 10 points when ball hits the two slings up top.

When you hit the 10 point switches, do the spots behind the targets move? Spot target lights and 1000 when lit bumpers are both controlled by the "Target Bank Spot Relay" or the "I" relay, located on the underside of the playfield near the left pop. Is that relay firing and rotating when the 10 point switches are hit? If so, maybe the switch stack that rides on a cam in the center section of the I relay has a short or bad gaps - this center section controls the 1000 point bumper scoring and lights.

Do you have a schematic?

#362 9 days ago
Quoted from DaMoib:

When you hit the 10 point switches, do the spots behind the targets move? Spot target lights and 1000 when lit bumpers are both controlled by the "Target Bank Spot Relay" or the "I" relay, located on the underside of the playfield near the left pop. Is that relay firing and rotating when the 10 point switches are hit? If so, maybe the switch stack that rides on a cam in the center section of the I relay has a short or bad gaps - this center section controls the 1000 point bumper scoring and lights.
Do you have a schematic?

I do have a schematic and owners manual. The lights behind the drops aren’t moving. Just played a game and the pops are lit 100% of the time and either scoring 1000 or nothing. Being new to EM, what is best reference to look at as I dig into switch stack and relays?

#363 9 days ago
Quoted from DaMoib:

Are you getting points (10 pointers or pop hits) just by whacking the cabinet around and/or pushing the flipper buttons?

The tilt is soooo sensitive, I can’t even nudge the game a little bit, or it Tilts out

#364 9 days ago
Quoted from Blitzburgh99:

I do have a schematic and owners manual. The lights behind the drops aren’t moving. Just played a game and the pops are lit 100% of the time and either scoring 1000 or nothing. Being new to EM, what is best reference to look at as I dig into switch stack and relays?

As background, @ccotenj has a great thread - https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/gtb-as-match-stepper-rebuild-step-by-step . It's a good reference for this type of relay - the match relay is a slightly simpler version of Abra's spot relay.

You can search for topics such as EM repair, safely working on pins, schematic reading, etc.... many great references on these boards.

The simplest explanation may be that the "I" relay is not firing, there is one switch to check on the "N" (ten point relay). Both that and the 3-5 ball jones plug are in the circuit that fires the "I" relay solenoid. The relevant portion of the schematic:

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#365 8 days ago

Could this loose wire in the backbox be the issue? Even if not, where should it belong?

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#366 8 days ago

should be soldered to the top of the shoe

#367 8 days ago
Quoted from Blitzburgh99:

I do have a schematic and owners manual. The lights behind the drops aren’t moving. Just played a game and the pops are lit 100% of the time and either scoring 1000 or nothing. Being new to EM, what is best reference to look at as I dig into switch stack and relays?

There is probably an AS style relay that drives the lights above the drop targets to change. It will probably be on the bottom side of the playfield and be totally removable for maintenance via a jones plug. It is probably gummed up which is why the lights don’t index and the pop bumper doesn’t change on and off.

This is all experienced speculation as my ACD is on end in a corner of my garage. Look through what others have pointed you to regarding refubish instructions for AS relays.

#368 8 days ago
Quoted from pinhead52:

should be soldered to the top of the shoe

Since the sheath is missing, what would be recommended to protect the bare wire?

#369 8 days ago
Quoted from Blitzburgh99:

Since the sheath is missing, what would be recommended to protect the bare wire?

As long as the wire doesn’t touch anything the sheath isn’t necessary. Also, it is serving as a redundant path as the adjacent wire in the picture is doing the same thing.

#370 8 days ago

Once that wire is soldered back on (and assuming it doesn't fix the issue), I think you should observe the "I" relay (pic below) while hitting one of the 10 point switches. Lift the playfield, start a game and hit a 10 point switch repeatedly (there's a small rubber directly above the pop that's 10 pts). Does the relay move? Is the arm with the points (red arrow in pic) moving smoothly from segment to segment on the circuit board?

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#371 8 days ago

Ok. So I soldered the wire and it made no diffference. The two slings, when hit, advance the 10 point scoring reel, but no chime and the “I” AS does nothing. The coil doesn’t fire and the arm doesn’t move. I pull the AS assembly and manually moved it. The gears and the arm move, and it doesn’t seem overly dirty. Dead coil?

#372 8 days ago
Quoted from Blitzburgh99:

Ok. So I soldered the wire and it made no diffference. The two sling when hit advance the 10 point scoring reel, but no chime and the “I” AS does nothing. The coil doesn’t fire and the arm doesn’t move. I pull the AS assembly and manually moved it. The gears and the arm move. Dead coil?

There's a switch on the 10 point "N" relay that fires the "I" relay, it's the lowest switch in the N relay's stack. Can you see if that is gapped correctly? You can also *momentarily* short the two wires going to that switch (YellowBlue and BlueWhiteRed) and listen for the I relay clicking.

No 10 point chime either? We want to look at that N switch stack for that as well... do you know how to simulate the N coil firing by pushing on the white switch armature on the relay?

#373 8 days ago

What's the thread etiquette for the ACD'ers - should we open up a dedicated repair thread or keep going here?

#374 7 days ago
Quoted from DaMoib:

should we open up a dedicated repair thread or keep going here?

Club threads often help other owners with game-specific issues, and it allows people with a specialized/intimate knowledge of the game chime in.

#375 6 days ago

What bulbs belong in the monster’s eyes? I put in LED bulbs but they are steady on. Should they be blinking?

#376 6 days ago
Quoted from Blitzburgh99:

What bulbs belong in the monster’s eyes? I put in LED bulbs but they are steady on. Should they be blinking?

yes 455 blinkers..

#377 3 days ago

I want in the club!! Can’t wait to put it together tomorrow..after driving most of the day, and ordering in, it’s time to relax n watch the hockey game..

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#378 3 days ago

Congrats hwyhed - welcome to the club !

#379 3 days ago
Quoted from hwyhed:

I want in the club!! Can’t wait to put it together tomorrow..after driving most of the day, and ordering in, it’s time to relax n watch the hockey game..
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Very nice! A little "Wipe on Poly" on a rag will make that flipper drag almost disappear.

#380 3 days ago
Quoted from pinhead52:

Very nice! A little "Wipe on Poly" on a rag will make that flipper drag almost disappear.

What is “Wipe on Poly”?

#381 3 days ago
Quoted from Blitzburgh99:

What is “Wipe on Poly”?

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#382 3 days ago
Quoted from pinhead52:

Very nice! A little "Wipe on Poly" on a rag will make that flipper drag almost disappear.

Will it improve the ball wear in the shooter lane? Will need to be reapplied as it wears?

#383 2 days ago
Quoted from Darcy:

Will it improve the ball wear in the shooter lane? Will need to be reapplied as it wears?

yes! and top arch ball track I first lightly sand with 400 grit sandpaper to smooth it out, with a touch of alcohol then apply 2 or three coats. It might be 5 years or longer before you reapply

#384 2 days ago

Can I be part of this club?

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#385 2 days ago
Quoted from MikeO:

Can I be part of this club?[quoted image]

i believe i sent you one of those heads for free

#386 2 days ago
Quoted from boilerman:

i believe i sent you one of those heads for free

You did, to replace the water damaged head cabinet on an ACD, which is not included in this photo. Thank you very much.

#387 2 days ago
Quoted from MikeO:

You did, to replace the water damaged head cabinet on an ACD, which is not included in this photo. Thank you very much.

you should bring it to tpf

#388 1 day ago
Quoted from manitouguy:

Congrats hwyhed - welcome to the club !

We should create a Vancouver ACD owners sub club

#389 1 day ago

Warren

Would we be a club of 3?!?

#390 1 day ago
Quoted from manitouguy:

Warren
Would we be a club of 3?!?

I think there's another ACD in North Vancouver too. But three would be a good start

#391 1 day ago
Quoted from woz:

We should create a Vancouver ACD owners sub club

Gotta have a secret handshake for your Vancouver club

#392 1 day ago
Quoted from woz:

I think there's another ACD in North Vancouver too. But three would be a good start

Pinside has 4 ACD registered in the Lower Mainland, there could be a few more.

#393 23 hours ago

What are the correct pop bumper caps for Abra?

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