(Topic ID: 83308)

The Official EM Gottlieb Abra-Ca-Dabra Club - Droolers Welcomed!

By EM-PINMAN

10 years ago


Topic Heartbeat

Topic Stats

  • 661 posts
  • 109 Pinsiders participating
  • Latest reply 38 days ago by seshpilot
  • Topic is favorited by 42 Pinsiders

You

Linked Games

Topic Gallery

View topic image gallery

pasted_image (resized).png
pasted_image (resized).png
20191225_122621_resizeda (resized).jpg
20191225_122852_resized (resized).jpg
IMG_2043 (resized).jpeg
20240307_075637_resized (resized).jpg
pasted_image (resized).png
20240206_181357_resized (resized).jpg
20240130_095053_resized (resized).jpg
IMG_1608 (resized).jpeg
IMG_1609 (resized).jpeg
IMG_2861 (resized).jpeg
IMG_0072 (resized).jpeg
Ball Guide Rail Scuff (resized).jpg
Credit_Wireform (resized).jpg
IMG_5093 (resized).jpg
There are 661 posts in this topic. You are on page 8 of 14.
#351 5 years ago
Quoted from mbaumle:

Consider me a drooler. I first played the game in a museum in St. Louis when I was traveling out that way, and fell in love with the game. I've had my eyes out for one of these for quite some time, but I haven't been able to find one local. I love how Gottlieb was really selective about what to backlight on their backglasses, and ACD's art is so atypical for the era, it's doubly alluring.

A minor ripoff on Lord of the Rings. Gottlieb thought about releasing a "Wizard" game, AAB 5 years earlier. it had some neat scoring.

20160615_172944 (resized).jpg20160615_172944 (resized).jpgWizardqw (resized).JPGWizardqw (resized).JPG
#352 5 years ago

pinhead52 built a beautiful display box for the Gottlieb Wizard backglass a couple of years ago.

For any who may not have seen it previously, here is a link to a video I made of which the first minute focuses on the lighting patterns he applied, and the balance of the video highlights the box, the contrast of Wizard vs. Abra Ca Dabra, and the artwork.

Please note that the video also contains an audio song track, so both full screen viewing and loud volume are recommended

https://vimeo.com/173113051

Here is also a link to the original thread where pinhead52 detailed the display box build, and which includes a surprise backglass handling error

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/display-box-for-gtb-wizard-bg

#353 5 years ago
Quoted from pinhead52:

A minor ripoff on Lord of the Rings. Gottlieb thought about releasing a "Wizard" game, AAB 5 years earlier. it had some neat scoring.
[quoted image][quoted image]

How can this backglass exist if GTB only thought about making it? Anyone have more detailed knowledge of history or link to detailed explanation? Do these exist? Has anyone ever tried to build a working one?

#354 5 years ago
Quoted from spinal:

How can this backglass exist if GTB only thought about making it? Anyone have more detailed knowledge of history or link to detailed explanation? Do these exist? Has anyone ever tried to build a working one?

IPDB suggests "very few units produced", probably as samples, for export. the backglass came up on ebay and it was a nice snag. a shout out to Pinball Pimp who made modified stencils.

#355 5 years ago

Wow! Nice find, Pinhead52! Thanks for working to hard to properly preserve, but also display that backglass. I'd love to see the whole game in action some day. I wonder if it was the atypical flipper arrangement that killed it. Gottlieb didn't make too many layouts like that in the 70s.

#356 5 years ago
Quoted from mbaumle:

Wow! Nice find, Pinhead52! Thanks for working to hard to properly preserve, but also display that backglass. I'd love to see the whole game in action some day. I wonder if it was the atypical flipper arrangement that killed it. Gottlieb didn't make too many layouts like that in the 70s.

If you look at the flyer for Wizard they had a wacky cab design

https://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=2802&picno=49610

So I took poetic license to use the Abra design for the Wizard glass display box.

If anybody would like a display box they are relatively easy to build. Ive got a Lucky Strike glass I need to build a box for.

#357 5 years ago

Wow super rare and pretty wild layout too!

#358 5 years ago

Questions on scoring:
1) how do the pops “1000 when lit” get activated? Mine are lighting up with flipper hits. Doesn’t seem correct.

2) average game scores. I am scoring 80-90,000 points without dropping all the targets and hiring bonus bullseye. Something must be off. Where should
I be looking?

This is my first EM....

#359 5 years ago
Quoted from Blitzburgh99:

Questions on scoring:
1) how do the pops “1000 when lit” get activated? Mine are lighting up with flipper hits. Doesn’t seem correct.
2) average game scores. I am scoring 80-90,000 points without dropping all the targets and hiring bonus bullseye. Something must be off. Where should
I be looking?
This is my first EM....

Are you getting points (10 pointers or pop hits) just by whacking the cabinet around and/or pushing the flipper buttons? If so, check the gaps on the scoring switches nearby...

Are your pops staying lit and scoring 1000 more than 50% of your game time? They should be alternating on and off with 10 point hits in 5 ball games...

Set to 3 or 5 ball?

#360 5 years ago

Set to 5 ball. Both pop lights are staying lit whole game and always scoring 1000. Only get 10 points when ball hits the two slings up top.

#361 5 years ago
Quoted from Blitzburgh99:

Set to 5 ball. Both pop lights are staying lit whole game and always scoring 1000. Only get 10 points when ball hits the two slings up top.

When you hit the 10 point switches, do the spots behind the targets move? Spot target lights and 1000 when lit bumpers are both controlled by the "Target Bank Spot Relay" or the "I" relay, located on the underside of the playfield near the left pop. Is that relay firing and rotating when the 10 point switches are hit? If so, maybe the switch stack that rides on a cam in the center section of the I relay has a short or bad gaps - this center section controls the 1000 point bumper scoring and lights.

Do you have a schematic?

#362 5 years ago
Quoted from DaMoib:

When you hit the 10 point switches, do the spots behind the targets move? Spot target lights and 1000 when lit bumpers are both controlled by the "Target Bank Spot Relay" or the "I" relay, located on the underside of the playfield near the left pop. Is that relay firing and rotating when the 10 point switches are hit? If so, maybe the switch stack that rides on a cam in the center section of the I relay has a short or bad gaps - this center section controls the 1000 point bumper scoring and lights.
Do you have a schematic?

I do have a schematic and owners manual. The lights behind the drops aren’t moving. Just played a game and the pops are lit 100% of the time and either scoring 1000 or nothing. Being new to EM, what is best reference to look at as I dig into switch stack and relays?

#363 5 years ago
Quoted from DaMoib:

Are you getting points (10 pointers or pop hits) just by whacking the cabinet around and/or pushing the flipper buttons?

The tilt is soooo sensitive, I can’t even nudge the game a little bit, or it Tilts out

#364 5 years ago
Quoted from Blitzburgh99:

I do have a schematic and owners manual. The lights behind the drops aren’t moving. Just played a game and the pops are lit 100% of the time and either scoring 1000 or nothing. Being new to EM, what is best reference to look at as I dig into switch stack and relays?

As background, @ccotenj has a great thread - https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/gtb-as-match-stepper-rebuild-step-by-step . It's a good reference for this type of relay - the match relay is a slightly simpler version of Abra's spot relay.

You can search for topics such as EM repair, safely working on pins, schematic reading, etc.... many great references on these boards.

The simplest explanation may be that the "I" relay is not firing, there is one switch to check on the "N" (ten point relay). Both that and the 3-5 ball jones plug are in the circuit that fires the "I" relay solenoid. The relevant portion of the schematic:

Spot Relay (resized).pngSpot Relay (resized).png
#365 5 years ago

Could this loose wire in the backbox be the issue? Even if not, where should it belong?

6B611678-C2C6-4718-B64A-6AF0FE8B0503 (resized).jpeg6B611678-C2C6-4718-B64A-6AF0FE8B0503 (resized).jpeg
#366 5 years ago

should be soldered to the top of the shoe

#367 5 years ago
Quoted from Blitzburgh99:

I do have a schematic and owners manual. The lights behind the drops aren’t moving. Just played a game and the pops are lit 100% of the time and either scoring 1000 or nothing. Being new to EM, what is best reference to look at as I dig into switch stack and relays?

There is probably an AS style relay that drives the lights above the drop targets to change. It will probably be on the bottom side of the playfield and be totally removable for maintenance via a jones plug. It is probably gummed up which is why the lights don’t index and the pop bumper doesn’t change on and off.

This is all experienced speculation as my ACD is on end in a corner of my garage. Look through what others have pointed you to regarding refubish instructions for AS relays.

#368 5 years ago
Quoted from pinhead52:

should be soldered to the top of the shoe

Since the sheath is missing, what would be recommended to protect the bare wire?

#369 5 years ago
Quoted from Blitzburgh99:

Since the sheath is missing, what would be recommended to protect the bare wire?

As long as the wire doesn’t touch anything the sheath isn’t necessary. Also, it is serving as a redundant path as the adjacent wire in the picture is doing the same thing.

#370 5 years ago

Once that wire is soldered back on (and assuming it doesn't fix the issue), I think you should observe the "I" relay (pic below) while hitting one of the 10 point switches. Lift the playfield, start a game and hit a 10 point switch repeatedly (there's a small rubber directly above the pop that's 10 pts). Does the relay move? Is the arm with the points (red arrow in pic) moving smoothly from segment to segment on the circuit board?

I_relay (resized).jpgI_relay (resized).jpg
#371 5 years ago

Ok. So I soldered the wire and it made no diffference. The two slings, when hit, advance the 10 point scoring reel, but no chime and the “I” AS does nothing. The coil doesn’t fire and the arm doesn’t move. I pull the AS assembly and manually moved it. The gears and the arm move, and it doesn’t seem overly dirty. Dead coil?

#372 5 years ago
Quoted from Blitzburgh99:

Ok. So I soldered the wire and it made no diffference. The two sling when hit advance the 10 point scoring reel, but no chime and the “I” AS does nothing. The coil doesn’t fire and the arm doesn’t move. I pull the AS assembly and manually moved it. The gears and the arm move. Dead coil?

There's a switch on the 10 point "N" relay that fires the "I" relay, it's the lowest switch in the N relay's stack. Can you see if that is gapped correctly? You can also *momentarily* short the two wires going to that switch (YellowBlue and BlueWhiteRed) and listen for the I relay clicking.

No 10 point chime either? We want to look at that N switch stack for that as well... do you know how to simulate the N coil firing by pushing on the white switch armature on the relay?

#373 5 years ago

What's the thread etiquette for the ACD'ers - should we open up a dedicated repair thread or keep going here?

#374 5 years ago
Quoted from DaMoib:

should we open up a dedicated repair thread or keep going here?

Club threads often help other owners with game-specific issues, and it allows people with a specialized/intimate knowledge of the game chime in.

#375 5 years ago

What bulbs belong in the monster’s eyes? I put in LED bulbs but they are steady on. Should they be blinking?

#376 5 years ago
Quoted from Blitzburgh99:

What bulbs belong in the monster’s eyes? I put in LED bulbs but they are steady on. Should they be blinking?

yes 455 blinkers..

#377 5 years ago

I want in the club!! Can’t wait to put it together tomorrow..after driving most of the day, and ordering in, it’s time to relax n watch the hockey game..

1EB4E11B-F291-4C85-94E6-DCE675E812F3 (resized).jpeg1EB4E11B-F291-4C85-94E6-DCE675E812F3 (resized).jpeg6DE67F28-3A9F-4DED-A888-DDEDE3A0BD22 (resized).jpeg6DE67F28-3A9F-4DED-A888-DDEDE3A0BD22 (resized).jpeg
#378 5 years ago

Congrats hwyhed - welcome to the club !

#379 5 years ago
Quoted from hwyhed:

I want in the club!! Can’t wait to put it together tomorrow..after driving most of the day, and ordering in, it’s time to relax n watch the hockey game..
[quoted image][quoted image]

Very nice! A little "Wipe on Poly" on a rag will make that flipper drag almost disappear.

#380 5 years ago
Quoted from pinhead52:

Very nice! A little "Wipe on Poly" on a rag will make that flipper drag almost disappear.

What is “Wipe on Poly”?

#381 5 years ago
Quoted from Blitzburgh99:

What is “Wipe on Poly”?

pasted_image (resized).pngpasted_image (resized).png
#382 5 years ago
Quoted from pinhead52:

Very nice! A little "Wipe on Poly" on a rag will make that flipper drag almost disappear.

Will it improve the ball wear in the shooter lane? Will need to be reapplied as it wears?

#383 5 years ago
Quoted from Darcy:

Will it improve the ball wear in the shooter lane? Will need to be reapplied as it wears?

yes! and top arch ball track I first lightly sand with 400 grit sandpaper to smooth it out, with a touch of alcohol then apply 2 or three coats. It might be 5 years or longer before you reapply

#384 5 years ago

Can I be part of this club?

IMG_1881 (resized).JPGIMG_1881 (resized).JPG
#385 5 years ago
Quoted from MikeO:

Can I be part of this club?[quoted image]

i believe i sent you one of those heads for free

#386 5 years ago
Quoted from boilerman:

i believe i sent you one of those heads for free

You did, to replace the water damaged head cabinet on an ACD, which is not included in this photo. Thank you very much.

#387 5 years ago
Quoted from MikeO:

You did, to replace the water damaged head cabinet on an ACD, which is not included in this photo. Thank you very much.

you should bring it to tpf

#388 5 years ago
Quoted from manitouguy:

Congrats hwyhed - welcome to the club !

We should create a Vancouver ACD owners sub club

#389 5 years ago

Warren

Would we be a club of 3?!?

#390 5 years ago
Quoted from manitouguy:

Warren
Would we be a club of 3?!?

I think there's another ACD in North Vancouver too. But three would be a good start

#391 5 years ago
Quoted from woz:

We should create a Vancouver ACD owners sub club

Gotta have a secret handshake for your Vancouver club

#392 5 years ago
Quoted from woz:

I think there's another ACD in North Vancouver too. But three would be a good start

Pinside has 4 ACD registered in the Lower Mainland, there could be a few more.

#393 5 years ago

What are the correct pop bumper caps for Abra?

1 week later
#394 5 years ago

My scores were creeping up on Abra these past few months (and not because of my ever-increasing pinball skills). The 1000 point pops were staying on waaay too long. Traced it down to an armature issue on the “I” Target Bank Spot Relay (an AS style relay with an additional 1 : 1 cam).
I took it apart and cleaned it this week and, when putting it back together, noticed that the armature had too long of a travel due to the relay coil pole mushrooming. This increasingly caused the drive pawl to travel TWO teeth on the ratchet spindle, skipping ahead two positions and leaving the 1000 point pops active. Correct operation in a 5 ball game turns off the 1000 point pops after a 1000 point pop hit. Now, no more machine gun 1000’s, sigh… I’m back to the time honored technique of running up the bonus and sniping at the lit spot targets.

Incidentally, Pinball Resource has a great tech note “Gottlieb AS Style Relay Adjustment” in their AS relay parts section. It gives all the tolerances and alignment instructions for correct operation.

I suppose I should also confess that I haven’t gotten around to ordering a new relay coil yet, I just raised the existing mushroomed coil with a piece of fish paper (a washer was too thick) so the armature now travels the specified tooth and a half on the ratchet spindle. I know, it’s a bit of a LEP man fix, maybe this post belongs in that thread.

Also, some obligatory AS relay porn (dirty):

Spot_relay (resized).jpgSpot_relay (resized).jpg
#395 5 years ago
Quoted from Blitzburgh99:

What are the correct pop bumper caps for Abra?

The standard Gottlieb white caps with a red "1000 POINTS WHEN LIT"

#396 5 years ago
DCB5209E-D2D1-4E63-88D8-AF6466A2B361 (resized).jpegDCB5209E-D2D1-4E63-88D8-AF6466A2B361 (resized).jpeg
#397 5 years ago

Wade is shipping hooray!

#398 5 years ago

Just got my email also!

#399 5 years ago

A few pics of the finished playfields:

https://pinballplayfields.wordpress.com/

#400 5 years ago
B0973891-A614-4720-9AC1-F97C8B7C7DA6 (resized).jpegB0973891-A614-4720-9AC1-F97C8B7C7DA6 (resized).jpeg
Promoted items from Pinside Marketplace and Pinside Shops!
$ 12.00
2,200 (OBO)
Machine - For Sale
Downingtown, PA
From: $ 33.00
Gameroom - Decorations
Rocket City Pinball
 
From: $ 3.00
Cabinet - Other
Space Coast Pinball
 
2,800 (Firm)
Machine - For Sale
Barnstable, MA
Hey modders!
Your shop name here
There are 661 posts in this topic. You are on page 8 of 14.

Reply

Wanna join the discussion? Please sign in to reply to this topic.

Hey there! Welcome to Pinside!

Donate to Pinside

Great to see you're enjoying Pinside! Did you know Pinside is able to run without any 3rd-party banners or ads, thanks to the support from our visitors? Please consider a donation to Pinside and get anext to your username to show for it! Or better yet, subscribe to Pinside+!


This page was printed from https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/the-official-em-gottlieb-abra-ca-dabra-club-droolers-welcomed/page/8 and we tried optimising it for printing. Some page elements may have been deliberately hidden.

Scan the QR code on the left to jump to the URL this document was printed from.