This is awful. Tyranny at its worst.

Don't we have HIPAA laws in this country?

How many people here have had chicken pox as a kid AND got vaccinated after the vaccines came out? I'm gonna venture to say none.

So people who are inoculated from the virus can't get in because the aren't "vaccinated"? Since the vaccination protects people from getting it, why keep the unvaccinated out? Kind of flies against what the vaccine is suppose to do.

For full disclosure, I got the Moderna vaccine.

Vaccines are readily available. Doctors know how to treat it. People are adults, let them make their own medical decisions with their doctors, as they do with everything else.

The 100% truth, that no politician is saying, because if they admitted this, they would lose all their emergency powers: Covid will be with us forever.

That's fantastic news!

Shingles vaccine is a different vaccine from chicken pox…

In 18 months, we are already on to the delta variant. Covid keeps mutating.

Smallpox didn’t mutate the way this one has. Polio is still exists in Asia (very rare) and it doesn’t mutate the way covid does either.

Again, I stand by my statement. This disease is going to be with us forever.

As for people who are pro vaccine verification to get into places. Be careful what you wish for. That’s giving a lot of power to the most incompetent people in the country.

For full disclosure, I am as pro-vaccine as they come. My friends/family who aren’t vaccinated, I plead with them to get vaccinated. But no way am I in favor of the government mandating people to get vaccinated….see my previous statement.

So where in that decision did it give the power to the Federal Government to mandate that every citizen get vaccinated?

If someone doesn't want to take the vaccine, the only one who should be concerned about it is themselves.

The people catching it, going to the hospital with it, and dying with it are the unvaccinated. The vaccine is readily available. There's no wait list to get the shot. With the increase in cases, there has been a spike in people getting vaccinated.

Since the topic of forcing people to take the vaccine has come up, maybe it's time to force people to stop smoking, eating junk food, drinking, and they should all be forced to exercise (I'm not for any of this). Me personally, I wish they'd invent the exercise they have in the Jetsons...definitely make training for a marathon a lot easier.

Simple question: what gives you the right to control another adult’s healthcare?

Explain to me that right you hold over someone else and I will agree with everything you said.

I didn’t realize they forced a foreign substance into your body to stop you from drinking and driving.

And you’re not for forcing people how??

The flu goes around every year and kills tens of thousands…no vaccine mandate. Last I checked, the flu gets passed person to person.

Tens of thousands die each year in car crashes. Many of the deaths are caused by other people. Should we ban cars?

People die in plane crashes every year, of which none is their fault….time to ban planes?

There’s no such thing as living a life without any risk. As adults, we all examine risk, and make decisions off of it…hence, the recent spike in vaccinations.

You can’t answer my question, because you are well aware it destroys your argument.

You are 100% behind mandates.

Webster’s describes mandate as: to direct or order someone to do something.

So I misspoke about HIPAA…big deal. We still have tons of privacy laws in this country. It’s a very moot point to go on and on about what exactly is in HIPAA laws, when everyone is well aware of all the privacy laws we have in this country.

I’m all for everyone getting vaccinated. I’m against the government forcing us, or putting mandates on us to get vaccinated.

Different story. Work is voluntary.

As of right now, it would be a big no, because there is no full approval for any of the vaccines yet.

Since covid started, the people I have trust and faith in, are the scientists at Moderna, Pfizer, and J&J. They are highly effective against all the variants. To get these out in a year’s time. Just absolutely amazing. It is truly a modern miracle. Just to show you how brilliant these people are, they designed the vaccines to be broad based.

That doesn’t pertain to 100% of the population.

By no means am I against vaccines. When I was 18, in order to get into college, I had to get the chicken pox vaccine, hepatitis b vaccine, all my booster shots (doctor didn’t have a record of me getting them), tb test, there might have been a couple more (this was back in 1996). Living in a dorm, I had to abide by the school’s rules.

I had the option to live off campus and not get all those shots. Not saying I didn’t want them. Until I sat down with my doctor, I had no idea most of that stuff even existed.

In fact, I just spoke to him the other day about a booster for chicken pox. Some stuff I’ve read, is that the vaccine starts to wane after 20 years. I also spoke to him about Hepatitis A & C vaccines. He informed me that A is a waste if time if I’m not leaving the country soon.

One of my friends, who’s 150 pounds overweight and in his 50’s, finally got his first shot yesterday!!!!

Got to say, I’m so relieved. Can’t remember how many times I’ve said “it’s deadly for the overweight, people with diabetes and old people” to him.

Why have restrictions when it's overwhelmingly the unvaccinated getting sick?

Vaccine is out, readily available, one could walk into a pharmacy right now and get the shot.

The only people chancing it are the unvaccinated.

I understand completely. Some people are for control over other people’s lives.

As I said before, people are capable of making their own decisions. The vaccine is out and readily available. With this latest surge, more and more people are getting vaccinated. Hence, people looking at their risk assessment and more are deciding to get vaccinated.

This idea that covid will go away is foolish thinking. It’s going to be with us forever. We need to learn to live with it. Remember, it keeps mutating and animals are getting it.

If you feel unsafe, stay home. I don’t feel safe walking by myself in NYC at night, so I don’t do that.

BTW, when the press reports that hospitals are full…you realize that number takes into account everything, not just covid? That’s why sometimes elective surgeries are paused.

Keep repeating that I have no idea what I’m talking about, it doesn’t make it true. Since I’ve been labeled the “idiot”, can someone please explain to me how we eradicate this disease…I’m all ears.

I deal with lots of customers. When someone asks “can you wear a mask?”, I wear a mask.

I’m not for people dying. That’s silly. I’m against further lockdowns and mandates when vaccines are available for anyone who wants one. Believe it or not, most of America thinks the same way. That’s why my Governor won’t do a lockdown right now, election year and he knows he’ll get voted out.

We have vaccinations and the virus is mutating.

Distancing doesn’t work. Especially now that it’s as transmissible as chicken pox.

The only mask that offers protection is the 95 mask. In NJ, when we were all masked up with the original strain, cases still went up…while wearing masks.

How do we stop the virus from hopping to animals?

We can’t vaccinate the world quick enough. It’s gonna be just like the flu, with yearly boosters for the new strain.

How many children have died cause of covid? How many children die cause of the flu every year? (I think you’re going to be very surprised by the answers).

How transmissible is it in children?

It already is.

When people would have friends/family over to their house, did everyone stay apart? I’m gonna venture to say nope. Did everyone wear masks? Gonna go out on a limb and say no. And last I checked, the vaccine is voluntary.

I can tell you at thanksgiving and Christmas there were no masks, no social distancing and vaccines weren’t out yet (very limited supply as of Christmas). Come Easter, 9 out of 11 were vaccinated. Still didn’t distance or wear masks.

So where exactly in the Constitution does the government have the power to force you to get a vaccine....good luck finding it.

Give me one good reason why I should trust the government to protect us/stop the virus.

Here is one fantastic reason why I don't trust them: Delta variant.

Delta variant originated in India. How on earth did it get here? Did our government not know about this virus mutating?

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/spotlights/2019-2020/2019-20-pediatric-flu-deaths.htm

Number is closer to 600, because flu deaths are under reported. Per the CDC.

Children aren’t the target of covid. These school lockdowns have been disastrous for the kids.

Since it’s pretty obvious that masks don’t stop the spread and children aren’t the ones catching this, irrational lockdowns of schools shouldn’t be taken out on the children.

Doing something isn’t always better than nothing.

Go into hospital for a heart attack, but you get a vasectomy. Hey, at least they did something.

How long did it take to develop the polio vaccine?

How long did it take to administer the shots?

How long were the lockdowns to stop the spread of polio?

Didn’t Oregon just suspend their math and reading requirements for high school graduates due to them closing the schools?

NJ and NY are ranked first and second for deaths.

Both places shut businesses down for extended periods. Both places had the strictest mask wearing rules around. Both places went as far as having boardwalks shut down. NJ had parks shut down (not sure if NY did or didn’t). An overwhelming majority of offices are still shut and doing remote. Schools were closed for a whole year. YET…the virus ended up doing its thing anyway.

This is what I mean by we need to learn to live with it. It’s not going anywhere.

My best friend is a doctor at a huge hospital. He gets into arguments with other doctors who list people dying with covid as dying due to covid. He has said that most of the deaths he has seen are people already on their death beds. Is it tragic that they have died a few days earlier than they would have? Absolutely. Everyday is precious (and I say this as someone who should’ve died in 1992). Are their people who are getting bad reactions to covid? Absolutely. But what is that amount?

When it comes to covid, this irrational thinking of every death and every case must be prevented will cause more harm than good. Everything in life comes with risk. And risk must be measured to make good decisions.

Every year, 38,000 people die in automobile accidents. Yet, we still have high speed roads.

Every year, 655,000 people die from heart disease. Yet, we don’t outlaw fast food, soda, candy, cigarettes, etc.

Every year, the flu kills 12,000 - 60,000. Yet, we don’t mask up and have lockdowns.

Every year, diabetes kills 88,000. Yet, sugar and high starch foods are still legal.

Every year, cancer kills 599,000. Yet, people can still smoke and drink. **I know not all cancer deaths are self inflicted. I’m specifically talking about the ones that are preventable.**

Everyone in government gets a pass for covid first getting here. China lied. But what is the excuse for Delta getting here? The people who dropped the ball in protecting us, surely should not be given more power to protect us. Let’s not forget, the people in charge of protecting us, downplayed and bad mouthed the silver bullet that will lead us out of this mess: the vaccines.

Speaking of vaccines. I look at my idiot governor. Covid kills people 65 and up. When they first came out, he kept it so limited that no one was getting the shot. Then he opened it up to practically everyone, thus making the ones who needed it the most wait up to 6 months to get it.

Excuse me, but at no point have I ever been anti-vaccination. Go back a few posts and you’ll see a post from me relieved that one of my friends in his 50’s, who is also 150 pounds overweight, finally got vaccinated. I want everyone to get vaccinated. It’s the silver bullet that will ramp this thing down. I’m just against the government mandating it.

I don’t downplay covid. I’m smart enough to realize that this virus is never going away. Because it’s never going away, we can’t be living a life of lockdowns. Best thing we can do, is promote the vaccines (modern medical miracles) and keep updating them for the newest strains.

NY and NJ were the first ones to have strict lockdowns. I don’t buy the argument that they had nothing to work with. Roads were empty. A normal 20 minute drive was taking me around 5 minutes to complete. We locked down way too strong here. The people that couldn’t afford it, were the ones that suffered the most.

Murphy is a garbage Governor. The 65 and up crowd should’ve been first in line for the vaccines…and they weren’t.

Edit: Texas has 9 million more people. Death rate is only way to get an accurate number.

I am typing this very slowly, please follow along: I want everyone to get vaccinated. These vaccines are medical miracles.

This must be at least the 10th time, if not more I’ve said this. Now explain how this downplays the vaccine.

Note: It’s extremely difficult to have a dialogue when posters just invent things that I say……but hey, it is after all Wednesday….guess it’s make it up as you go along Wednesday.

Whatever. Take a statistics class. Learn how to read data.

If everyone did that, the people who want to lockdown would realize they are wrong. And the people who are anti-vaccines would realize they are wrong.

What was the health status of the 4 teachers in Florida?

Were the young and healthy? Old and issues?

See, there’s one really major thing missing in the headlines. Remember, everyone posting it is blaming no masks in schools for the 4 teachers.

https://www.browardschools.com/cms/lib/FL01803656/Centricity/Domain/4/2021-22%20School%20Calendar%20color%20FINAL.pdf

School has been out since June 9 and doesn’t start back up until August 18.

Context means a hell of a lot, don’t some of you think?

Can we all agree that these 4 teachers had absolutely nothing to do with children not wearing masks in school? Seriously, why is the news going out of their way to insinuate they caught this at school in the headlines…..

We know 3 of them were not vaccinated.

What’s the survival rate for the vaccinated? Something like 99.9999999999999%?

Those 3 dying is 100% on them. Nothing to do with children in schools. It’s all personal responsibility.

First line of the article….not the headline.

Why does the headline even mention 4 teachers when school is out for summer??

Why is this even news?

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Why even have a headline that reads “4 teachers in Florida school system die from covid”???

That headline wasn’t for you. You live down there and know when the school dates are.

That headline was 100% the press attacking Desantis on a national level.

This is why I stay away from stories…because most of them are just fiction. I stick with data.

Can anyone explain the purpose of the article titled “4 Florida teachers die on same day”?

Why even have a headline that 4 teachers died in 1 school district? What is the point of having it.

If 4 people in 1 family, all in the same house died. That’s a newsworthy article.

It’s a very simple question. Why even print that headline?

JoeJet answered that question perfectly.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/democratic-lobbyist-under-fire-tweet-193041418.html

How black of a heart must one have to tweet this?

What part of “I want everyone to get vaccinated” do you not understand? I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve said this.

Businesses hurt by the unvaccinated??? What??? This whole time, I thought it was the government that shut businesses down…

I’ve said every life is precious…but you’re so right. That’s me not showing any empathy.

What was that thing Qui-Gon said…”the ability to speak does not make one intelligent.”

The vaccine is out and readily available. The data shows they are incredibly effective. Anyone who is unvaccinated and catches it…it is on them.

The masks don’t work. You need the 95 style and only wear them once, then on to a new one. No one is doing this.

I just can’t anymore….fiction is way too fun with some of the posters here who are blatantly making up what I said or downright ignoring what I do say. It’s tiring…I honestly don’t know how people around you do it on a daily basis.

I actually had someone tell me that I am not inoculated from covid because the vaccine I took (moderna) didn't use a dead virus........

This person who said it is 49, pack a day smoker since his teens, and is anti-vax because he thinks they put something in it to control us....

Every sporting event, every concert, anywhere where there will be a lot of people, there should be vaccines to be given out.

At these locations, the people (i.e. - star athletes) should encourage the shots as well.

For instance, I have Jets & Devils tickets. They should have something like getting a free jersey, extra tickets, signed pictures, something, to help entice people to get the shots. At the Devils games, they always give out free tickets when you donate food for thanksgiving and toys for Christmas...they always run out of free tickets. But also have something that if you prove you've already been vaccinated, you get something as well.

My church has 3 or 4 days every month when they have vaccines on site to be given out.

There needs to be more outreach. Make it easier for people to get the shots.

I don't know the numbers at my church. I'm assuming it's good enough for them to keep doing it.

That's why I didn't say give out money. My thought is, you're already at the game or concert. I'm sure lots of people would go for the shot to get free tickets. They're already there. No need to make an appointment. Walk up and get it.

This falls on the parents and grandparents who aren't vaccinated.

What is their excuse?

At some point, people need to be responsible for their own actions.

Based on my last count, from all the people that have said to me "I know someone that died right after getting the vaccine", I now know of about 298 deaths from the vaccine. The average time after the shot is somewhere around 2 hours.

My question to them: Can I see the obituaries.

I never get names. No names. No last name either. No obituaries. No funeral home where the funeral was held. No dates when they died.

In recap: There's 298 dead people from the vaccines, who have no names, no family, no obituary, no funeral and don't know which vaccine they took.

Wasn’t the JnJ vaccine paused over 6 or 7 deaths?

That’s how you know the 12k number is full of crap.

“Get vaccinated?”

“I don’t want that shit!”

“Oh, you’d rather have covid?”

Key word is possible.

The whole medical world is working on covid. There is absolutely no way an unsafe vaccine would be given out.

When creating vaccines, it’s hard to get participants to have it tested. With this one, people were more than willing to have it tested on them.

The people behind the vaccines are some of the smartest and hardest working in the world.

OMG!!!!!! Just heart breaking.

I have an uncle who lost a daughter 30 years ago and it still bothers him greatly to this day.

Absolutely tragic with her 2 sons, especially since it was 99.99999999999999% avoidable.

How do you suggest the governors control people?

This virus will be with us forever.

The rest of the country will be following Florida and Texas shortly.

It is hot down there and people go inside. What do you think is going to happen when it starts to cool off in the rest of the country and people go back inside?

NJ & NY are ranked #1 and #2 for deaths...Maybe do the opposite of those 2.

Let’s try this again…masks do nothing. Unless your wearing the N95, it’s like you are wearing nothing at all.

Socially distancing doesn’t work either.

Want to know how I know all of this? Look at the charts before the vaccines took hold.

As I’ve said before, the only thing to control the spread is the vaccine. That is it.

Now, let’s look at NJ, where the weather is nice and people are mostly outside. Back in June, we were having about 200 cases per day. Today? 1,600 cases per day. What do you think is going to happen when it gets too cold to stay outside here? Should cases go down or should they go up? I’m gonna venture to say that the cases will go up.

Ancient history? Ancient history?

Thank you for classifying that New Jersey is a city….New Jersey…a city….a city???

Last summer, which states got hit? Southern states. Why? People went indoors.

In NJ, 4 million people are still not vaccinated. We are averaging around 6,000 vaccinations per day. What is going to happen come the fall/winter….you live in NY, you know people aren’t swimming, hanging out at the beach, BBQing outdoors. Everyone is indoors. That’s why our cases went UP over the last winter.

I see what you’re saying. The history of now. Forget about history, just look at today. What’s your excuse come November and the northeast starts to get hit? You will ignore what is happening now in August, right? Cause after all, come November it will be ancient history. I am dying to hear this one!!!!!

California #1 in deaths with 65,000 and has the biggest population too.
Texas is #2 in deaths with 55,000 and has the second biggest population.
NY is #3 in deaths with 53,000 and has the 4th biggest population.
Florida is #4 in deaths with 43,000 and has the 3rd biggest population.

So let's recap...Florida has 2 million more people...and 4.5 million senior citizens. NY has 3.2 million senior citizens...and has 10,000 MORE covid deaths than Florida.

Let's look at Texas. 10 million more people...2,000 more deaths than NY.

Stop ignoring the data.

Just keep framing the argument that I'm anti-vaccine. It's a joke of an argument and you know it. Once moderna releases their booster shot, I am getting it.

Why?

The same reason why I have every other vaccine. Because I don't want to get sick.

If being a clown is looking at data, call me a clown.

If being a clown is smart enough to realize that this virus will never go away, call me a clown.

I think it’s 100% obvious by now that masks and socially distancing doesn’t work. Vaccines are the only thing that will tamp it down.

How many respiratory vaccines do we have?

Answer: none.

Flu vaccine gets updated every year…last I checked, the vaccines are already being updated for covid. So the original vaccines aren’t permanent.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7149605/

But I’m the clown…try doing some research.

Saying everyone should get the vaccine is a troll? Whatever.

Saying we need to learn to live with this is being a troll? Whatever.

The data in NJ shows the opposite.

When we had to wear a mask everywhere, restaurants had strict limits, gyms had strict limits, movie theaters were empty, no concerts, no sports, no plays, offices all remote, school all remote…the cases went UP dramatically.

Why? It was cold outside and we were stuck indoors.

Now, let’s look at today’s history. Florida’s rate is 0.81. NJ is at 1.23. That is today’s numbers. Based on that, isn’t Florida is a better spot?

Look at October ‘20 through mid January ‘21.

I’m on my phone, otherwise I would post the chart.

Everyone is using one time use masks how many times? How many people wear it incorrectly?

And what’s going to happen 3 months from now when the numbers are completely reversed? Will you say “hey, look how bad NY and NJ are doing and look how great Florida is doing?”

NJ was averaging around 200 cases a day 2 months ago and now we are up to 1,600 a day…while everyone is still outside.

If it isn’t obvious by now, this disease doesn’t spread evenly throughout the country. Wherever people are indoors, is where the most spread is.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/sars-cov-2-transmission.html

https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/personal-protective-equipment-infection-control/n95-respirators-surgical-masks-and-face-masks

There you go. Can still catch the virus standing more than 6 feet away. The 1 time use face mask (non 95) offers limited protection.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html

Look at that chart from Mid September to mid January. That thing spikes. Why? A majority of the country starting to go inside because it cools off in the fall and gets cold in the winter.

Explain the chart. A majority of the country was wearing masks and socially distancing during the second surge.

Because vaccines are the absolute best defense against viruses.

The vaccine teaches the immune system in our bodies how to recognize the virus and destroy it before it starts to replicate. I'd rather get my antibodies from a vaccine instead of being sick.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/diseases/forgot-14-diseases.html

Did the no mask mandate stop you from wearing a mask?

If you had a choice between AIDS and diabetes, you’d rather have AIDS. AIDS was a killer. In America, no one dies from AIDS anymore. The cocktail drug keeps the disease at bay.

Most cancers are very survivable now. Back in the day, when you found out you had cancer it was an immediate death sentence. Not so anymore, unless in rare instances. You do realize lung cancer and brain cancer are different. Bone cancer is different from those 2. Colon cancer is even more different.

As for annual flu shots. The flu shot was the first ever vaccine for a respiratory virus and up until last year, the only vaccine for a respiratory virus. That’s what makes the covid vaccines even more of a miracle. How do you expect a vaccine to be one and some for a virus that constantly mutates (flu)? Covid mutates too.

Know who I trust? The scientists that developed the vaccine. Know who I don’t trust? People like you that do zero research.

https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/coronavirus-covid-19-and-medical-devices/face-masks-including-surgical-masks-and-respirators-covid-19

I follow the science.

I’m going right to the FDA…not sure what else I can possibly do.

Read it again.

The masks everyone wears, people are still breathing in and breathing out the virus. So since people are breathing in and breathing out the virus, how exactly is the mask stopping the virus? Answer: it isn’t.

It’s only the N95 that is properly worn, stops the virus.

They also use the word “may.” It may stop the virus vs. it will stop the virus are two completely different things. When they use the word may, it means in perfect conditions the masks people wear will stop the virus. Perfect conditions…that practically never happens.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/sars-cov-2-transmission.html

The virus is also in aerosol particles.

Now the virus is even smaller, making it easier to evade mask protection.

Remember, I’m not saying all masks don’t work. I’m saying the N95 works. That is the mask that works. That isn’t the one we are wearing.

The masks people wear, specifically the blue ones, are one time use only. Can we honestly say that people are wearing this mask properly? The clear answer is absolutely not. Thus, rendering them ineffective.

Then you have the snug cloth masks…which the virus passes right through the cloth. It’s great at stopping sneeze droplets, but useless against breathing.

Hawaii issues a mask mandate on July 15, when there were 100 cases: https://apnews.com/article/health-government-and-politics-coronavirus-pandemic-hawaii-9c6d5bb024194db5157cf6d3b032d9bf

Hawaii looking at more restrictions as cases top over 1,000: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.staradvertiser.com/2021/08/28/hawaii-news/counties-consider-new-policy-to-curb-covid-19-infections-in-hawaii/amp/

While having a strict mask mandate, Hawaii’s numbers have increased tenfold and they are now looking at more restrictions.

We have to get vaccinated. Demon vaccines. Vaccinations what we need. Greasy fast vaccines.

I did read it. And it said with masks you can still spread it and catch it.

The keyword is “properly”.

You refuse to answer the question of how many people properly wear masks. Why is that?

Explain Hawaii

That right there blows up your mask argument.

Fiction can be fun.

https://governor.hawaii.gov/newsroom/office-of-the-governor-news-release-governor-ige-lifts-mask-requirement-for-outdoor-activities-gives-green-light-to-ocean-sports-competitions-honolulu-and-kauai-county-orders-also-approved/

May 25, 2021
HONOLULU – Gov. David Ige has issued an amendment to the 19th emergency proclamation lifting the mask mandate for all individuals outdoors, effective immediately.

Mask wearing is still highly recommended outdoors, when in large groups. The indoor mask mandate remains unchanged.

https://apnews.com/article/health-government-and-politics-coronavirus-pandemic-hawaii-9c6d5bb024194db5157cf6d3b032d9bf

July 15, 2021
HONOLULU (AP) — Hawaii Gov. David Ige said Thursday he will maintain a requirement that people wear masks indoors as the spread of the COVID-19 delta variant fuels a spike in cases.

https://hawaiicovid19.com/mask-guidance/

Correct and consistent mask use remains a critical tool that we can use to prevent getting and spreading COVID-19. Masks are no longer required while outdoors. Masks are always required indoors except while eating or drinking.

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Please don't put words in my mouth that the vaccines don't work. How many times must I repeat the same thing over and over: We need everyone to get vaccinated. There's not enough built up immunity to stop the spread of the virus.

This is real world data: The masks are not stopping the spread.

Let's compare NJ to Hawaii. NJ had 9.2 million people and averaging 1,700 daily cases. Hawaii has 1.4 million people and is averaging 800 daily cases. NJ has no mask mandate (pretty much only at a doctor's office). Hawaii never got rid of their indoor mask mandate. NJ ranks first for population density. Hawaii comes in 12th. NJ averages 1,207 people per square mile. Hawaii is at 218.

Let's look at vaccination rates: NJ is at 61% and Hawaii is at 55%.

Why is NJ doing better than Hawaii with daily case counts? NJ isn't masked up, but Hawaii is. NJ has a higher vaccination rate.

Again, real world data.

I really wish the rest of the adults in NJ would get vaccinated. Pretty soon, we will be stuck indoors, and this variant is just going to attack the unvaccinated in numbers we haven't experienced yet. Here's my prediction: Come winter time, NJ will be averaging around 8,000 - 10,000 cases per day...and it's all going to be in the "I don't want the vaccine" group of people.

Note on the picture: 94% of all the cases in NJ are delta.

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I have said the N95 is the mask that stops the spread. It’s the one that filters the virus from going in and going out. The problem is, that isn’t the ones people are wearing.

The ones we are wearing don’t stop the virus, then add in the fact that no one wears it correctly. It’s right on the FDA’s website that they don’t work.

Vaccines are the key. I believe the data I showed with NJ and Hawaii prove it beyond a doubt.

But Hawaii is ranked 22nd for vaccination rate……

Clearly not one of the highest.

False information about the Hawaii mask mandate. False info about Hawaii being one of the highest vaccinations rates. Let’s add in the fact that you make up words that I say… I think it’s perfectly clear you can’t be trusted.

There’s no tourism in NJ?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHANA

Take a ride on the Parkway south this weekend and tell me how there’s no tourism in NJ.

On the FDA website (which I posted). They clearly state that the non-N95 masks, you breathe in and out the virus. So if I don’t wear the mask, I breathe in and out the virus, and if I do wear it, I breathe in and out the virus…then what exactly are the non-N95 masks doing? No one properly wears the non-N95 masks.

This isn’t trolling. If anything, it’s reaffirming that more people need to get vaccinated because that is the only thing that will control the virus.

Let’s just keep redefining words shall we???

The best part, you are using an article from July 15th to determine their rankings for vaccinations. July 15……July 15…..it will be September in a couple hours.

One dose is not vaccinated. It’s a 2 dose regime.

Which still puts them at the 22nd most vaccinated state. If they were in the top 10, then yes, you can say one of the most vaccinated. They are 3 spots from the median….meaning middle, as in, not near the top of the list, but rather just above being halfway down.

Are you ready to admit that you lied about Hawaii getting rid of their indoor mask mandate?

The masks people wear do not work.

You can keep repeating it over and over and over….and guess what, it doesn’t make it true. If people properly (keyword) wear N95 masks, the transmission rate would plummet. Vaccinations wouldn’t be as necessary as they are, but still rather important. Until the other half of the country gets vaccinated, we are going to be dealing with covid in ways we shouldn’t need to anymore. Vaccines are readily available…the people not vaccinated need to stop waiting/refusing and get it.

Hawaii has a mask mandate and Florida doesn’t. Their charts look the same.

Hawaii has a mask mandate and NJ doesn’t. The growth rate is higher in Hawaii, when NJ is the most populous state.

Hawaii has masks. Florida doesn’t. Charts are identical.

If masks worked as said, the charts would not match. That right there is real world data.

I can’t spell it out any easier.

Then you have NJ having slower growth than Hawaii…without masks in a state where a vast majority or on top of each other.

Honestly, I just don’t get it. All the data shows there has only been 1 thing that has any effect on reducing transmission…vaccines. Our leaders are doing an awful job in partnering with industry, to help get the numbers up. The only thing driving the numbers up, is when people experience a spike. In NJ, we have gotten a minor increase in vaccine doses given. It’s not enough. Come the winter, we are going to get clobbered with numbers we’ve never seen before due to delta.

All the ex presidents should be working together to get the message out in the communities where they are popular. Places like Disney, should have vaccination locations at park entrances, every concert and sporting event too. These are the perfect places to be using the J&J shot.

We do have pop up blood donation sites. Maybe I don’t go out of my way to the blood center, but it if the truck is out front of Best Buy, I walk in and donate.

There’s a certain percent that will never take it, no matter what. The percent that just hasn’t gotten around to it, that’s where we need to make it extremely easy for them to get it.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/12/201222132057.htm

There you go.

In the article, it says the masks reduce the droplets, but enough droplets still get out to make people sick. So since enough virus is still getting past the mask…how does it reduce the spread? Answer: it doesn’t.

The only mask to use is the N95, otherwise, it’s like we aren’t wearing anything at all.

At the end of the article, it mentions that in real world scenarios, the masks are even that less effective.

Believe what you want. I honestly don’t care. At the end of the day, the FDA even admits that the masks we all wear don’t work.

The constant downvotes by the same people show a true level of immaturity.

Do I care? Nope.

If I met some of you in person, I’m more than certain we wouldn’t get along.

If I’m wearing an improper seatbelt made out of tissue paper, is it even worth it to use it?

Answer is obviously no.

It’s the same thing with the masks. All the real world data shows that places with or without masks, have the same outcomes.

The problem is, the one mask that will actually make a difference, is not widely available for us to use.

Don’t forget, Fauci is on record saying we should be wearing more than 1 mask at a time…why is that?

As a country, we get a big fat old F for not getting more people vaccinated. Not enough work on the ground is being done to get people to take the shots. As I’ve said before, my church has an outreach program to the community and membership. According to the head Father, they are making a difference. I believe it must be working (I don’t think he would lie to us during church).

The masks work 100% of the time in that scenario (if not 100%, then pretty close to it).

It’s the normal breathing, where the masks are ineffective.

If we all had N95, I’d support a mask mandate. Instead, we have masks that don’t stop or barely slow the spread of the virus during normal breathing.

The only effective way to stop this virus is to get vaccinated. The leadership in this country is failing. Not enough people are being vaccinated.

I look at how all the musicians come together for Live Aid, Global Warming, post 9-11 for NYC. Why isn’t there something like a Get Vaccinated concert. Come out for free. Only way to get in, is by either already being vaccinated or getting vaccinated there. All sports teams should have vaccinations before or during the games. People like Shaq, should be in Newark, NJ, reaching out to his community to get vaccinated. Maybe something along the lines of getting a picture with him for getting the shot. There’s so much more that can be and should be done, but it’s not.

For the love of God, can someone please explain to me why Hawaii and Florida have the same exact looking chart.

I keep being told that masks reduce transmission…yet, a mask mandated state and non mask mandated state have similar looking charts.

They both experienced tenfold increases. They both topped out at the same time.

Instead of repeating the same lie over and over, please explain how this can be.

Know what both states have seen a big increase in recently? Vaccines.

I’m just wondering if a certain pinsider is ready to admit his blatant lie about Hawaii dropping their indoor mask mandate in May…..I’ll try not to hold my breathe.

Only if Tennessee followed in Hawaii's footsteps of having an indoor mask mandate.

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2021/08/24/fewer-mainland-nurses-arrive-than-were-expected-hawaiis-hospital-crisis-worsens/

From article:

HONOLULU (HawaiiNewsNow) - The number of people sick with the coronavirus who are showing up at Hawaii emergency rooms is climbing at an alarming rate.

With the number of active infections in Hawaii now topping 9,300, COVID hospitalizations continue to set new records almost daily.

Eight days ago, there were 300 people hospitalized with the virus statewide.

In one week, that number jumped to 390. And on Monday, it stood at 410.

“We know of very few visitors,” said Queen’s Health Systems CEO Jill Hoggard Green. ”The far majority are residents. And they are residents who are unvaccinated.”