Sounds about right. Majority of people happy to have their heads stuck in the sand, blinkers on, and eat their cereal. It's just easier, isn't it ...

Good to finally see some coverage of Billys years old script for things... 19:00

That's the spirit!. Head in sand.

What "stupid" things?

Yes it certainly is mostly bulls#it, that is clear to mostly reasonable people.

Mostly...

... the "facts" do not add up, from either "perspective".

3+3=6

It's not supposed to be a decision. Billie has been openly telling us about his grande virus and vaccine plan for years now.

Luckily all that research hasn't been for nothing, since some highly researched/manipulated virus has just accidentally mysteriously poped up, and it comes at just the right time! ... Phew!

Yes it appears that certainly forms a good portion of the story.

I would maintain there is still generally more to the bigger story than one can know, though.

He's just looking for an angle that fits his "perspective" and "facts" lol

The best kind is in fact free.

Your body gets its Vitamin D by exposure to sunlight. At least that is the natural way.

Being locked indoors does not exactly promote vitamin D production....

We don't "know" where it first appeared or "started". That is a fact. Just as likely to have come from any other "research lab" in the world, considering the cases around the globe that were being kept bizarely secret and swept under the rug for half of 2019....

Wuhan was the first to broadly test for, identify, and broadcast (warned, to deaf ears) about the spread of cv19, that is it!. Simply unwaranted "accusations". Anyone in the world could have released it there anyway. Too much propoganda and wild speculation pretending to be "fact" is getting around the worlds "media machine".

The (Chyna) "story" just comes across dodgy, rather like WMD all over again

Now our PM has aspirations to be the next "deputy" ....

I just hope it doesn't end up with a repeat of the warmongering, again...

A quote from our Prime Minister back when this all began, which I hear quoted alot among those I interact with, at work and after hours...

"All businesses are essential businesses! ... all workers are essential workers!"

I think that is one of many things that have made a big difference in getting through for our experience here.

Also spending (borrowing) 100's of billions of dollars helps, of course. Just to start with equivalent to about au$10000 per head capita was dished out from the govt. through various chanels. .. and then more has followed.

That debt isn't going away any time soon either ....

Rage Against The Machine! Yeah!! ...

That theme Really needs to be a pinball!! ....

If the aim is to get closer to "realistic" mortality rates first we would need to multiply the "official confirmed" infection number by at least 10. Considering all accounts, and filtering that which simply doesn't add up. This thing has been getting around since well before 'chyna' rang the world alarm bells about what was happening there, even if it has evolved. There is a very high proportion of asymptomatic and antibody carriers.

There are always views opposing to and fro based on this and/or that. Information. Inconsistency. Argument, or lack of it. But, very very few will ever know the complete truth, actual. Conflicting information, censorship, division, confusion, lack of discussion... "polarising", a whole topic for itself....

"The Truth?? .... You Can't Handle The TRUTH!"

I think "hoax" is a confusing word for the discussion. Most people I speak with do not think CV is fake at all. Most question that it is accidental, and having WMD flashbacks. Hoax and Deliberate Accident (or misinformation about it) are completely different ideas. One did not happen, the later did happen. No doubt there is a virus killing people, which has been named whatever, 'x' ... "CV19", "the chyna virus". Depends whom you ask.

Of course the US govt did not do anything like this, at all!! .... and didn't ignore the Repeated Warnings by china, which most of the rest of the world took on board. US was head in the sand and like pretending "nothing to see here".

Enough of pretending cv19's rampant US spread is chinas fault. Maybe try looking closer to home for the appropriate blame.

Chyna bashing by most countries including ones own, ghosty posts so obviously some views go unheard. Life is life.

Anyway, when Replies are disallowed or filtered, "some" life views or experiences are censored... there's not really much discussion to participate in.

Fair enough though really, it is a pinball website... I'm here for pinball.

Back to the pinball future, bits, then ...

Please bear in mind plenty of aussies I know do not agree with this "stance" (to try and use a 'nice' word).

We will never learn the Real reason this happened. It would just be a futile wild goose chase. Provocative. I would ask, will EVERY country provide Equal transparancy? Globaly? . They Should, but they won't. Other countries besides chyna would pose a problem.

There is plenty to learn from regardless. With much more to come.

There is still the scary dubious claims of mystery "evidence", heard that somewhere once upon a time before? ... well, at least our PM tried to pour cold water on that @!$%&*

History repeats, then later you get "W.M.D." ... lies, leading to war. ... and then again, etc. ...

That's the scary dejavu feeling some of us are getting with this now, coming from aspects of general global media "coverage" on all the ... "evidence" story? . Something is tooo eerily familiar.

Also a piece of aluminium foil folded over a dozen times or so could work ...

It would totally make sense, cat lets corona virus out of the bag! lol

Works the other way around I think.... "We want cheap. So Walmart supplies cheap" . Some may not be able to afford more. Still a false economy, if we can pay three times as much for the same thing but it lasts ten times as long. Caught in a trap. If EVERYBODY stopped buying cheap throwaway crap it would stop getting made. Easier said than done though, of course.

It's just "The Lightbulb Theory" at work. The system created for maximising profit (and waste).

Mankind is capable of making light bulbs with an indefinite lifespan, as evident by the bulb that has been lit for +100 years which they had a 100th birthday for, at a fire station I believe. But going with that principle of maximum quality would send lightbulb (and pantyhose) manufacturers to the wall, operating the way we do these days.

I don't see any green cars there? ... but where there are 2 pics, the Gold car on the left is a Holden HQ Statesman of the early 70's. Gotta love Aussie muscle cars.

This is a great point being raised. People Not getting treatment for conditions that would usually be minor, if treated, but untreated can lead to premature death. Cancer for example. Death rates will certainly be on the increase due to people not seeking treatment for basic curable ailments, as a result of the fear campaign.

We only have a hundred or so deaths here nationally, but deaths due to lockdown (both direct and indirect) alone are certainly going to outweigh that number by many, many fold.

And please explain to me how that could lead to the situation that has been Created now, where share traders and the big end of town stand to make insanely vast amounts of money from stockmarket rises and falls??

At the general expense of general public coffers everywhere.

Must be Fake News

If you are at risk stay at home, or take whatever precautions you believe are suitable for your own situation and risks. Don't be imposing your personal standards onto everybody that does not feel any need to observe them, or whom they don't apply to.

There was a hurricane in India proclaimed to be far worse than any viral epidemic by the government there... looked like a fair statement given the vision of the devastation.

Covid is the least of their worries there right now.

Any source which does not conform with propogating the right information is a fake news source.

Of course.

The system can not work any other way.

True, but it was sarcasm

So it looks like Australia didn't even make the list?

We have 0.27 deaths in Australia per million, for the entire period. We are up to a total of 101 confirmed cv19 deaths in Australia.

In South Australia pubs and all are allowed to open up with some basic hygiene and physical distancing requirements and restrictions.

If only the military had taken on that task here.

So many of our fatalities have been in nursing homes. Disappointing thing is that Many nursing homes had cases show up, but almost all of the fatalities came from the couple of homes that for whatever crazy reason kept infected residents Within The Home!? WtF? .... Most homes immediately transferred infected residents to hospital or intensive care, and rigorous Isolation, and they accounted for relatively few fatalities (the majority of homes).

Some horrific stories have come out of our nursing homes here. They manage to keep for the most part opaque and secretive. Similarly sickening stories have recently been coming from the disability sector. Not cv19 related at all, but deaths due to criminal neglect and failing to provide care.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-16/degrading-death-shows-communitys-devaluation-of-disabled-people/12254722

For our local circumstance we have been advised (asked) not to wear masks. We should only be wearing masks here if needed. Health workers etc. need them, and we are asked to wear a mask if we have any questionable symptoms such as coughs etc. We have been asked not to wear them if there is no reason to.

National news? . Minneapolis is making news on the other side of the planet man.

I seen riots with a multi story building burning like a lantern on regular australian news. ?

Also some violent demonstration in other states?

What's with the fuzz there turning the phrase "cop killer" on it's head?

At a time like this?

They didn't appear to be physical distancing or wearing masks either ...

This makes more sense than most trivia I have heard since this thing became a thing, and explains alot of info that was not adding up.

Something I heard on the news last night as well on the diagnosis/cause thing for here, and openly stated, "any death of a person that tests positive for cv19 is recorded as a covid death", regardless of what actually killed them. Our 100 odd deaths do include people whom died from primary causes besides just cv19. That is known.

If a drunk driver dies in a car accident and tests positive for covid, here that is reported or recorded as a cv19 death. That is the way it is here according the media reporting.

We had an overseas woman come to Australia on "compassionate grounds" to visit a terminally ill relative. Flight was via Melbourne with a quarantine delay. Tested neg on arival at Melbourne, then 2 weeks quarantine.... after that flew to Adelaide and then later tested positive at Adelaide.

Point is, 2 weeks quarantine is not certain to prevent cv19 entering.

But Yes a good place to be, though.

Similar here in South Oz. We were well over two weeks since last confirmed case before this woman came in then left again. Before that there was a cruise ship case turned up here (S.A.), which broke the previous +2 week with no cases record. Neither of these cases seem to have led to uncontrolled community transmission.

We have had no active cases for some time, apart fom those couple coming and going without causing an outbreak.

Over the period we have had clusters in a few areas, including baggage handlers at the airport early on, and wine region Barossa Valley which apparently eminated from the Ruby Princess cruise that was stupidly unloaded with no checks in NSW, before the passengers went galavanting about the country.

If this is accurate it would logically follow that any possible natural herd immunity is going to be some degree closer than has been otherwise suspected/assumed.

It was hypothetical. Random testing is your short answer. There are a hundred other examples. Maybe the patient crashed into the ED when driving themselves to emergency? . The "died in a car accident" example I copied was used by a health proffesional in an interview, explaining things, on the television. Don't shoot the messenger!

Any death involving engulfment or suffocation, even if not primarily caused by covid. Test + then it is recorded under cv19. For now at least.

Also now that there are no cases, there are basically only tests being conducted on people whom are not assumed to be infected, and people whom take themselves in for testing. Random tests as well. If you die, you are going to get tested for covid no matter what, at least here now anyway, we don't really seem to be short of tests.

It is an openly and publicly stated piece of trivia from what I've watched on FTA TV, media, if a death records positive for cv19 (in Oz) then it is recorded as a confirmed cv19 (related) death. Partial cause or not, the answer is a yes/no to "Covid related?". Maybe it's a way to simplify things and not miss anything?. Who knows. It isn't my policy, it is publically reported to be the way things are going down here. Wether people like it or not. Besides, it is not like the media to ever feed the mushrooms any bulls#it ever, so it must be the way things really are, hey.

Related tangent to that 2020 movie plot you've raised....

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How is the plot timing of this out of control situation going to affect transmission rates, or prevention of new outbreaks?

There are alot of truly Great things!! ... America is very good at alot of stuff, Absolutely! ... although maybe not always that stuff goes to the greatest good. Same can be said for other countries though too I suppose.

Pinball is one of many great things that America has given us here!! .... and cars, our Australian made cars are American inspired. Just that instead of making them bigger than Texas with heaps of cubes in the mill, we made them a bit lighter, only as big as they needed to be, and still chucked the same mill with the same heaps of cubes and horsepower in there... what a way to have fun!

Party kind of ended in the 70's when the party pooper govt. decided that in making these pocket rockets we were producing Death Machines!

There are plenty of things that seem quite concerning. Other side of the planet in Oz here and cv19 has stepped to the side on the airwaves, now we have wall to wall reporting on nation wide US riots, during physical distancing....

View for me right now is the same as I was brought up with though, or been exposed to... although more and more people seem to be opening their eyes and seeing more as time goes forward.

Common quote here would be "Only in America! "

I can't give a full uncencored answer for your question, and also have my post published. Controvercial stuff is "taboo". There are things we are not allowed to say in this era of "free speech". On top of that, pinside has its guidelines as well.

Here we are multicultural at the core. Yep we certainly have problems of our own as well. However I seem to keep coming back to feeling quite lucky to be where I am, and there is No place at all in the world that I would rather be. Really.

I rekon believing one's self is "the best", is a bit like believing one "knows everything" .... failed before you've begun...

There are things it pays to learn and remember. Unfortunately information is not always free, or true, either.

It isn't easy.

Yes, different peoples, different countries... suffering from infestation of the same society killing parasitic systems. Here as well, no different.

Access to varying information, the way the people swallow, and the outcomes, do of course vary. Some are kept in the dark more than others. But, we are all in it together, victim, observer, player or cheat.

I believe in karma. I do not subscribe to "political correctness". I call a spade a spade, and I point at elephants.

So many have no way to know why Corona is nowhere near the dirtiest C word in this world .... the Corona response has made more than a few people start thinking about that though, another positive to come from it all, perhaps.

Masses of people will inevitably wake up and smell the coffee at some point, question is will that happen soon enough to save whatever is left.

..... eerrrrr, yeah nah this carma is the kind you have when driving your car!?

Yeah okay I meant the K one Lol ... thanks, I really don't mind a hand with my often dodgy spelling!

Happening here as well today... "over 1000 hit the streets in Sydney" . Not totally sure why it has become global now? ; although, we have had incidents of a relatable nature here in Oz, from time to time....

... and Covid taking second place on the airwaves here too.

There was an uneasy story detailing an incident where one of our aussie news teams was assaulted (including the corroborating footage) with "batton, shield and rubber bullet/s".

There must be multiple coins, just that some are obscure to others while others are obscure to some....

Notice Malasia dipped out of the circle "with masks", and Australia "without masks" is now down nearer the others. Even our initial curve there is way better than that of South Korea. This is data from mid March as well by the looks? . It is hard since the world was all in slightly different places at a given time with various changing trends, restrictions, situations and policies, but the way this graph is displayed helps that a little. Of course if the virus is prevalent in a community it makes sense to wear a mask in case you are a silent carrier.

Everyone in the world can not wear a mask though, there simply aren't enough of them to go around (unless you're making your own?), front line gets priority imho. There are many other angles to reduce transmission. There is no doubt wearing a mask mitigates transmission risk, in appropriate circumstances it is responsible to do that.

No it isn't "from" a certain date, I can see that. Time is in "days".

I was actually refering to the Age of the Chart, which appears to have March 20 printed at the bottom of it. Wether the chart "uses" a date within it's presentation or not, it was still last released or updated at a specific date and time. That is what I was refering to. The chart is well over 2 months old. Lots has changed and been learned since then. I digress.

Masks is not one of the measures we have used here, many others have been used though. We are doing better than most.

Drive to suit the conditions where you are. No problem.

Please refer post 15100

That reads just fine no matter what way a reader might have been, errr, "educated"! ... all levels of awareness can take something from your post. Well done indeed!

Now if only more people could start to pay objective attention, discover some of the obscured issues that Really Matter, until finally a majority might begin to acknowledge what is actually wrong with the place!!

Unfortunately people are too easily distracted by interesting nonsense, false flags, and the chariot racing Lol

Also remembering that the "Spanish Flu" is called that simply because they were the first to Not keep it a Secret. The "Spanish Flu" traces back to other side of the world, Alabama...

Same goes for the "Chyna virus", first reported there, but more likely came from <insert speculation here>. Unlikely that "someone" wanting to "release" a lab experiment would choose their own country to do that.

Now that you think about it ....

Hmmmmm, nope, don't think about it.

Also the odd person seems to deny that Natural herd immunity IS in fact an actual thing, and take into account the benefit that Sweden may well now have much more of this than most countries as a result of their chosen path. How things play out may tell an interesting story.

Here we have been denied our right of natural resistance to the seasonal spread of all the regular contagious infections so far this year. We are also at greater risk of second wave than they would be.

I can trust fairy bread parties well before the ramshackle man made chemical experiment machine. Money, power, and greed is all that is really at the centre of that, not actual genuine human interest.

Ask an "ex-spert" hey...

Newsflash, herd immunity, and healthy population, is not achieved purely with flawed artificial pathogens.

Please stop propagating such nonsense. Thanks.

Is that like some more of the kind of "evidence" that some have used before to "support the case for action (war)"?

Smells like fish. Isn't N.G. "mission control" in D.C.?

Well, there's some interesting stuff in that lot. I guess, the planet is at least a couple of billion head overweight anyway...

Interesting read. Still a couple of disconnects comparing with the outcome so far (especially here). Anyway, that's life.

The problem here is that I don't consider your "news" sources to be so reputable or legitimate. I would suppose you might not consider my sources legitimate either, making it kind of pointless, even if there was room to write a thousand pages of "war and peace" on this forum post. Besides, it would probably just be "controlled", and not published. Taboo topics, you see. You'd have to expand your own research instead of me spelling everything out.

Another thing that is not legitimate is your use of the word "evidence" for the subject.

For some people nothing will ever correct the tunnel vision, closed mind, or clinging on to the hope that what they have been led to believe must be how things really are. Also it's just easier, isn't it?.

It isn't really the peoples fault, we're only human right?. Just some devisive mechanisms at work, and well oiled.

I find it concerning how checks and balances around clinical research and development are being bypassed by some, all of a sudden. Rushing to human trials, skipping over some of the usual accepted safety protocols and standards... but it gets even better, now that some seem to be planning to actually Deliberately Expose these "lab rat human" test subjects to (some form of) the virus... wtf?

What's this being turned into, a horror movie, Umberella coorperation here we come?!?

https://newatlas.com/health-wellbeing/testing-vaccine-coronavirus-ethics-infecting-healthy-people-human-challenge-trial/

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"... many people will try to be careful in this outbreak – self-isolate, say – and it will take a very long time until interpretable results emerge," Eyal said recently in a Nature Q&A. "If, instead, one exposes all study participants to the pathogen, one can not only rely on far fewer volunteers but, more importantly, take a much shorter period to get results."

However, there is debate in the research community over whether human challenge trials should be conducted in the development of a new coronavirus vaccine. Matthew Memoli, an immunologist who conducts these kinds of challenge studies for influenza, suggests too little is known about the new virus to safely conduct that kind of study. While younger people certainly on average suffer lower rates of hospitalization and death from COVID-19, the behavior of the virus is still quite unclear.

“Where you’re going to give somebody a virus on purpose, you really want to understand the disease so that you know that what you’re doing is a reasonable risk,” Memoli said recently to Science.
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The risk of course being an unexpected mutation into some "megadeth" or "zombie" virus, it escaping, and takes two weeks to have effects, but two days to become highly infectious... then ur screwed. It's fine though it probably won't happen. Probably.

You would most likely not have access to a vast majority of the information, not legitimately, anyway. I am not trying to make anything "political". "Politics" is a big part of the problem. Trying to put it aside is a good idea I think. I was trying to get to freedom of information, which seems limited at best.

I could show that if you like?, demonstrate, but you might not like it.

Just like with some of the realities of big pharma. Some people Wouldn't like it, or may refuse to even consider some reasoning. Reality sux in other ways than people will be able to believe sometimes. Money, and stuff, and things.

Also sometimes things are better than people can believe. I don't know too much, but when the story says 2+2=5, and some distractions thrown in... it's a reasonable time to be asking more questions. Deadly virus is very real, that is no question. Many other less obvious questions that really need asking, and they don't all have answers when they should. Also Questions sometimes that one might not even think needed to be asked?

I'm happy to help, where I can. It's kind of limited though. I am sorry. You are not alone. I am not alone... We are not alone.

It's kinda funny really, your reply actualy doesn't follow much logic. All you have done is Pretend to quote me, which you have not, only Misquoted, made it seem as if I said things I did not, and show your own shortcomings for logic. Maybe try testing your sources, rather than just thoughtlessly swallowing whatever is plopped in front of you?. Yes information can be harder depending the geographic location, no issues here, but not all are so lucky. One of your mistakes appears to be poor assumptions. Translated my words to mean your own thing, to reflect only yourself.

If you read a little more carefully, I in fact said I can demonstrate, as a Question. I guessed some would not like it, I never said I would not demonstrate if a demonstration was wanted. If you believe big pharma is rainbows and unicorns, you may not like it. Some simply don't want to know, it's just too hard to process. That's all.

Please correct your misquoting, thank you.

I really am happy to help where possible. I can understand too, why people would get a bit upset at realising they've been hoodwinked. Cheer up though, it's not all bad news!.

This is a meta example for you, of what can fool people, the mentality, hopefuly simple and very easy to understand:

Read the comments. It's worth it. Tries to put a lighter spin on something dodgy, slightly comical at the same time as not trying to make people feel stupid, it is very well done. For some people there is hope, and their eyes may open. There's some basic lessons or arguments for logic in there, I hope it helps in some way mate. Honestly.

For Most people this vid is just some light hearted entertainment. Some highlights of the clip: "Hopefully you are familiar with Rain", and "Oceans don't have wings!" ... I lost it Pmsl

As with many "interpreted" sumarisations, it misrepresents and confuses the reference text, rather than actually sumarising it. Your sumary shows you did not actually read the text very well. Just over reacted, and left a sumarising misquote for everyone to read.

I digress... I'm okay with it. Just letting you know, you know.

I think the "interpretation" would have opinion come into it, don't you?

Here we have a reference to pharma and influences. Sydney has some interesting videos on a variety of topics, this one is only 15 minutes but covers alot, and it is concerning. Also at 4:35 you can find a direct reference to general information availability, or lack of it in some cases.

Sydney is Australian/American, she's great

Also for reference to the reality of media shortcomings, her vid "That Time I Got Screwed Over By The Fake News Media" is kind of concerning.

It is good to ask questions. If you don't ask questions then how can there be answers? . Yes I have asked more than my fair share of questions, and no I do not always find answers.

But it's worth a shot! ... every day is a school day.

What is all the talk of "treatment"?

There seems to be differing stories everywhere. Prevention is a Very different thing than treatment. Unrelated stuff accidentally mixed together?. I thought they worked out this stuff increases mortality for Sufferers ages ago?

Is there any info on its effectiveness for Preventing people from Contracting of covid19?

That seems to be the way it is yes.

But, that word prevention is missing again? ... sufferers, already have it, don't they?

Seems like half of the hydroxy chlora whatever discussion about usefulness is just, missing?

What if they changed the stickers on the test kits to flu1920?

Less rona more flu!

Not Caucasian.

Interesting views on rona here...

https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2020/05/caught-with-his-pants-down/

... and wiki outlining the dude.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Allan_(professor)

Butterfield, just can't help himself Lol

The (woman) claims of a direct link between coronavirus, and eating animals ...

Spoiler alert last 30 seconds is good for a chuckle

In this day and age it is neither real, nor not real...

Like Schrödinger's Cat being dead, or not.

ie. it could be both/either, up until the point where it is definitely not. Depends what dimension/reality ....

Lol

Does look a little like there is a cord tied to the box, the way it snaps back so suddenly... and both times it snaps back it appears to change its rotational axis.... at exactly the same time as it changes direction .... in mid air

Not CGI. Not real either, not in the way maybe suggested anyway.

I suppose the main guesses may be CGI vs Real. Sometimes there Are more than just two seemingly feasible answers, though. Grey, not bla.... errrr, the two main colours of a traditional newspaper.

I really do hope you are joking there man! Lol ... Havin' a lend eh

You are aren't you?

Okay, play it nice and slow... if there is not a cord or wire on that box then it Breaks too many laws of physics, alot, in the way it Instantly and Dramatically changes its Axis of Rotation and Direction of Rotation, and Basic Direction. It spontaneously for no obvious reason spins in the opposite direction, when it's a metre off the ground. Watch Very closely, quarter speed is slow enough

Yes it is real as in Not CGI (if it is, then Very poorly executed), but the box does not defy physics, it is tethered. Not loose.

The guys theory is there in part, draughting certainly does appear to help with the box entering all the way back into the truck, but in reality the forces he speaks of are not strong enough alone to do this on its own, once the box is accelerating away from the truck and metres back away from it. Note the shadow. The box behavior is un-natural for a loose box. The behaviour Is natural considering a Tethered box.

The guy has proven, in the segment you time stamped at least, that he is not a credible science dude. For one thing, not once did he show the the clip in slow motion (only a couple of pointless still frames), nor did he raise the inconsistencies displayed in the video around momentum.

It is good that screaminr posted that vid, and that you highlighted this fake science, it is an example of how so much of what is out there in the way of Subjective Opinion just serves to confuse so many people. Physics isn't always so simple.

Actually, people attempting to simplify physics (which is Not Simple) is a big contributor to so much confusion around it. Misinformation and faulty analysis.

If you're looking for some Good science guidance with basis around practical realities, there's this for fun Ha ha

Lol ... you think the earth's flat?

That is a cult and a scam you realise?

Ask a scientist, this fellows pretty simplistic analysis of the "box in truck suck" thing seriously lacks analysis. Poor. It is ignorant of important things to note. I don't need to see any more of his half-baked speculation. Thanks anyway.

The fact you have "mythbusters", among others, listed in there as "science" reference is kind of telling. I wish I could help, really.

Did you even try putting the vid in slow mo?

If the insight is set aside, or not understood, well at least I've tried to help others to understand the natural world, I guess. Can't help everybody, nor can we help those not wanting help.

I'm happy to break down some stuff for you, such as Mythbusters and like... it's Rona thread really though, I just responded to screaminr's interesting vid, so in interests of swerving back to topic if you wanted to PM me that's cool ...

Or maybe, hey yeah! ... can we have a "I can do Science, me!" kind of thread?? (*no, I mean that really... mods?)

You're missing something. I meant your guy is like a "flatearther", only looking at one aspect of a multi-faceted thing. Never mind.

This has all been sobering to watch over the past few months. Such an overload of all kinds of strange new kinds of information. All about isolation and mortality and decline and stuff. Conflicting messages and confusion get to be a staple, all the while feeling for the welbeing of all our fellow man, mashed together with concern for those close.

My best wishes to those out there suffering.

Look at the light though, there, in the distance! ... it's there if we're facing the right direction. Go for it

Here's one of our news stories to digest...

https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-treatment-australian-research-team-may-have-found-covid19-blocker/ab539577-b472-40d0-8d8e-1d1e9d0bcdd9?ref=BP_RSS_ninenews_1_aussie-research-team-may-have-found-covid-19-blocker_220620

Military helping out with door to door testing after clusters of cases in Victoria?. Are you in/near any "hot zones" screaminr ?

Mortality from some of these common and treatable conditions is also surely on the Rise, with people less likely or unable to seek treatment.... ?

Not all news is sensational enough to be worth reporting though, of course.

Does that additional death toll get blamed on covid19 as well? ... or should the blame go to some of the reactions for "controlling" it?

The actions for defending against covid should surely consider other serious health aspects as well, to reduce deaths from "everything". People should still be able to get help for curable life threatening conditions, at the same time as having smart measures against the covid spread.

LoL

Don't listen to him @screaminr, us Aussies stick together, warts and all

Now... if you can get those playboy security guards to do their job, instead of Sleeping With the detainees in the covid Quarantine hotels, those crazy outbreaks should begin to ease a bit.

After that the rest of Aus might let you out, you'll all be able to come visit us again in the better states of Australia, with all the lovely weather and sunshine and good stuff (like AFL?... ooohh, too soon?), and then this kind of thing won't need to be happening when you guys try to covertly escape Victoria State Gaol Lol

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Gotta wonder what those guys there were so desperate to get out for?...

If you can't laugh what Can you do, right?.

What about the rent-a-cops?? .... WTF is the go with that monkey business?? Lol

Instead of Deuce Bigalow Security Services, other states used professionals

Maybe they were hoping to attend one of those "Victorian Football" matches that we're having here??

Our SANFL and Country Leagues are underway here, too...

I'm kinda surprised to learn now some seem to still have the Schools closed?? Wtf

Here, the majority of schools have been Open since early in April.

Schools have proven to be a very low risk for spreading covid19 (for whatever the reason).

We had many cases. Now we have none. The proof is in the pudding on this.

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As we've seen in one neighboring state, letting Hotel Quarantine "Gigilo" amatuer security guards sleep with the quarantined guests IS a bad idea, though.

The very same state had schools Closed til just recently, being all "super cautious" and that, in aspects that don't matter for spread... now they have serious virus outbreaks. How ironic.

Covid19 declared war on the world. What we needed to do to win the war, is be smart.....

Gotta remember those figures are from since this all started, and they had Shipt Loads of infected passengers disembark and go walkabout around Sydney, so to be fair a large proportion of those numbers are from Early in the piece.

Of course then they were alowed to travel to all parts of the country spreading it further afield including here. We started climbing, but got it sorted. Schools here have been open almost the entire time, since the start of April. Voluntay attendance, with online from home option. They had one week fully closed before the 2 weeks holidays, that was it.

The Govt here decided working people needed to be able to go to work still, while children were at school and/or care. Many in healthcare too, or other essential services. The evidence was showing extremely low transmission in early education from very early on, sot the call was made not to close schools but make attendance voluntary, to acomodate people needing to work. Keeping kids home was encouraged initially, as caution, and most did. But most were then back at school within a month. Primary and High Schools being open throughout did not promote the spread of covid here. Also we never got to the degree of using masks, seen a few about, but mostly security guards and services. We were asked to conserve masks for services, and avoid masks ourselves. Don't get me wrong, there were alot of kinds of caution going on, just seemed to be stuff that counted, and eased the hobbling of ... well, workers mostly. Seems to have worked okay so far. Fingers x-ed.

Look at that "+101" in your row! . Only a couple of weeks ago you lot had numbers like Queensland.

You guys there are On The Move there! . Moving up the ladder, toward premiership!?! (CV19 premiership, not AFL )

Heard a pearler today screaminr ...

Q. What does Covid19 and the Spice Girls have in common ??

They don't know it but that's just a Victorian word, in all the other states we exchange the word "Bogan" with "Victorian"

Interesting how most Aussies have never even been to Central Australia, or seen that kind of arid landscape. A good Ninety-something percent of the population lives within 100km of the coastline, amongst plenty of trees and hills and snow and stuff. We're Rimming It! Lol

Yes that is true. There is relatively limited attraction in the cities. They are mostly the same thing as any western metropolis in many other countries, it seems to me. Of course that is subjective in part.

There is some amazing stuff to be seen outside of metro areas, that is for sure, but still most of what you'd want to see is not desert. There is definately gazillions of square kilometres of essentially not much, see a few parts of it, most people are done with the isolation. The stars are certainly one of the sights to behold, and get to Ayres Rock and Kings Canyon in the NT.

Tourism was hit hard here, the bright side is it is coming back strong with local travellers and city people coming up to the country, intra-state travelling is being encouraged. With no new community cases for such a long time, they want to get things going a bit.

My state South Australia, we were always told was the driest state, in the driest nation, on the driest continent in the world. Not sure how accurate, but most of the state is Very dry and arid (mainly the north). I live quite a way to the north, but within the Flinders Ranges and not in the desert Lol. The landscape I guess is not what many would expect or imagine for dry country northern areas of South Australia, and there is still hundreds of thousands of square kilometers of non-arid lands, like the landscapes in the Southern Flinders Ranges. It is winter here now, and yes it still does rain in winter.... sometimes Lol

One tourism drawcard really feeling it has been our local railway. Covid caused the longest period where trains did not run the rails in the entire existence of the railway. Trains Only run in Autumn/Winter/Spring with a break from November to March due to extreme fire risk. March Pandemic basically stopped things starting up. I think the first run was full booked for within a week of the initial lockdown. They had to pull the plug.

Here you can perhaps get a feel for the landscape typical to my area as well, and any train buffs might find other interest ...

This is a Narrow Guage railway, was part of "The Ghan" .... man that "W" Class is kinda haulin' some arses!

The reason for the squarky Slim Dusty track is the reference within it to "Woolshed Flat" which is this trains destination, just after the summit through Pichi Richi Pass. Last half of vid might be better, from when she blows the safety heading up the incline. 1990's VHS Lol.

Here's something newer, more drought like...

I am a boiler attendent, at times...

I do love me some Live Steam!!

Here's some from the region where screaminr is at. There they have Much more mountainous terrain for tourist trains. I'm sure this railway has had some struggles lately due to the Rona, just as we have.

They have the entirely cute "Puffing Billy" (nawww), which is built on a crazy tight guage of 2'6" ...

There is no desert in Victoria. The sun Never shines, it's always cold, and it Rains Every Day! Lol ... just like the mother land!

Spectacular scenery, and definately worthwhile even for non train-buff types. These are Victorias Dandenong Ranges, pretty much lush forest.

It looks like it's going to tip over sometimes, and hanging out of the train crossing those marvelous bridges with a huge drop into the ravines!?! ... Victorians are crazy, and a bit strange sometimes... but we still love 'em all the same.

I dunno, but maybe, is it anything like that thing with Bugs Bunny and Florida ??

A. Victoria fuc#ed it up for Everyone!!

Cottonballers have Plenty to answer for...

Funny, you know they were trying to get those F1 guys outa there right? .... "Adelaide Alive" was a true spectacle, the buzzing noise off the city towers etc. . But then eventually a decade later, the track exceeded the attraction of the equipment that was trying to entertain crowds by buzzing around it.

These Mad Rooters here in the videos wanted F1 Out, so that they could take their Real cars out for a run for the Big Weekend instead, on our World Class City Street Circuit!

Compared to the F1's, Clipsal Supercars rounds were Off the Chain!! .

The sound was Great rather than Annoying, as well Lol

It's over now anyway, last year they decided it all cost too much money and traffic managment headaches, so it has moved to a new superplex near Tailem Bend

First year away from the street circuit, Feb 2020, it was a huge flop. Didn't matter that they got it done well before Covid came out.

Besides, they banned the grid girls as well, so then half the appeal was gone anyway. Human is human. It is what it is.

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It's okay, at least we can go to the footy

The scientists don't seem to count Your deserts? . They better count again I rekon mate coz those pics you had there, they sure look like deserts!

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Fascinating! ...

Some interesting points:

-Our Largest desert is called "The Great Victoria Desert", although Western Australia claimed half of that. We claimed the other half, but you can have it back if you want we aren't using it, double your land mass?

-The "Little Sandy Desert" is definately comparatively, well, little. Still it is more than half the size of Victoria.

-The Tanami Desert has some Incredible landscapes! . Photo's just don't convey it.

-ALL areas in Red have an Extremely clean Covid case record!. Like, zero. Lol

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If you want to drive to "Camerons Corner" where SA, NSW, Qld borders meet, you know, to look at the signpost ... that is somewhere in the Strzelecki Desert, and you'll encounter hundreds upon hundreds of kilometers of this:

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There it is, a bronze plate with intersecting border lines ...

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Look screaminr , further evidence that SA is more important... the other guys get to read their names upside down!

Then trundle on back via William Creek, the absolute middle of bumfu@k nowhere! . Zero chance of contracting Cv19!!

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screaminr and I just engaging in typical Aussie interstate ribaldry type banter, maybe so that any poor Cv sufferin' buggers can have a few posts to larfe at. Sorry sometimes if lingo might make it not so easy to get what the fark we're on about! Lol

All just lighthearted jibes

screaminr gonna Love you!

Make us sicker?

No clanger

Imho you nailed it!

We can take crap with a pinch of salt

Although screaminr might have some retort, I hope

Actualy starting to get suspicious with that flowing bogan lingo, that you're closet ex-pat now livin' US side there!?

As bad as each other, at opposite ends of the spectrum, from what I've seen.

Propoganda both ends. Divisive, like politics. They are doing what they are meant to... sadly.

Both frequently dabble in bulls#it.