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Post #251 Avoid ibuprofen Posted by Pinball_Gizzard (10 months ago)

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#23 10 months ago

I was laid off on Monday, originally we thought it would be until May 1st. I was told yesterday from a coworker that we will be closed until June 15th now.

That means I’ll be off for 12 weeks. I’d rather be working then not working, but it’s not even like anyone will be hiring in this climate.

I sold my GoT pre a month age because in 2019 I took a significant financial hit. I’m glad that I didn’t wait until now to sell, because I think it would be more difficult now. 2020 is shaping up to be another tough year for me.

#1090 10 months ago

@jlm33 can you post where you found this graphic, or find an updated one for us please?

Deaths happen about 15 days after you show symptoms. I think that this graph is the most telling one we’ve seen yet. It clearly shows the exponential growth, how Italy is a week or two ahead of the rest of the world, and that South Korea is the only country to flatten the curve in any way.

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(sorry it's in French, Etats-Unis stands for USA).

#1795 10 months ago

My best friend teaches in China, we chat on Skype regularly. His girlfriend is Russian, she went home to ger parents place before the Chinese New Year celebrations and then Russia closed the border into China. She’s hasn’t been able to return to China even though she’s lived there for almost a decade. He said China is now struggling to find English teachers because so many went home once the schools closed. Also he said that his girlfriend is just as fearful of the virus as the rest of the world. Russia might not be giving numbers to the international community but it is definitely reacting to the virus.

Another article i came across mentioned that in China there have been 21 million cell phone plan cancellations in the last while, which might be a more accurate death toll number since a cell phone is so integral to Chinese life. (The article wasn’t from a well known website, so I won’t post the link. You can google it). I just have a feeling that China would do something like lie about the total number of deaths to international news.

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#2311 10 months ago

Heres one my buddy from china just sent me.

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#3443 10 months ago

That total death rate number at 16% is a little unnerving

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#3493 10 months ago
Quoted from OLDPINGUY:

Isnt free Money, Socialism? Every day, Fox was telling me this.

This is a slippery slope; trust me I'm a Canadian.

The government helping out people on mass...eventually you get the feeling that the government cares about your well being. Next thing you know people start caring about their neighbors instead of themselves. Before you know it you'll be loving your neighbors not fearing them.

Trust me you dont want that to happen.

#3498 10 months ago
Quoted from goingincirclez:

I am planning to dig up the spare masks I had from a recent DIY jackhammering project and forward to her.

I have about 20 of the n95 masks in my shop. I asked my buddy if his wife, a nurse, wanted them. He said they're not allowed to bring their own masks into the hospital and because it's an opened box the hospital cant take them; because the might not be sterile.

I guess I'll hold onto them for friends and family.

#3501 10 months ago
Quoted from wrb1977:

A TRUE LOCKDOWN IS IMPOSSIBLE TO ACHIEVE. In theory, yes, it would be effective. But the reality of a “true” lockdown is a fantasy

The more you press down the more things will squish out the sides. Combined with hundreds of years of "dont tread on me" attitude wont stop the outbreak.

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#3511 10 months ago

Everyone that wants to just go back to normal asap;
doesn't get it yet.

This has changed the world. This is a waypoint in history like 911. You will be able to remember a time before Cov-19, and a time after. Nothing will be "like the way it was before".

#3523 10 months ago
Quoted from goingincirclez:

A fair point but I work with her husband and he said she's worried about PPE and masks.
Which is the greater evil: not having a mask, or having one you didn't personally make and sterilize yourself? When hospitals are running out anyway, and people are making masks out of fabric, and/or considering "washing" used ones, that's a bigger problem than donated masks in their original packaging. So I figure it better to at least make the offer. I don't need them anymore, and certainly not for life/death. My concrete project can wait. If they are turned down then that's not on me, I did what I could.

To clarify his wife is in the maternity ward, not in the ER. With new born infants they probably want to be safe with where they get their equipment from.

#3736 10 months ago
Quoted from loneacer:

I heard last week about pork futures or something plummeting last week. They were saying herds would swell in a few months and meat would be dirt cheap.

Mmmmmm. Bacon

#3790 10 months ago

Disney is re-releasing mulan this summer. Will they bring back schezuan sauce with the movie. Could it be a covid cure.

Only rick and morty will know for sure.

#4608 10 months ago

The first picture was Thursday at 8am. The second is 60 hours later. Almost 200k more cases and 8k more deaths. It was over 60 days to reach the first 200k.
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#4969 10 months ago
Quoted from Blitzburgh99:

Can someone post the link(s) to the best website that’s has the daily updates to the graphs showing cases and deaths for countries and states?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

#5166 10 months ago

...keep the projected death toll below 100 000.

So does that mean their assuming that’s we will get to 100 000 easily without lockdown?

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The more I look at these numbers, the more I think China lied about their totals. China only had 2 deaths /1M pop. That number is WAY better than any other country. The death rate is going to be very scary on this. I think the storm coming is going to be worse then the media is letting on. There’s more to this then what the general population knows. Be scared. Stay home.

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#5586 9 months ago

At this rate my yard will be ready for summer before april. I got all of the brush burned today. Just have to fill some leaf bags tomorrow

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#5785 9 months ago
Quoted from Wolfmarsh:

I've been cutting my own hair for years now. Cutting is an overstatement, running the clippers over my own hair for years is more accurate.

Now the hair is so little that I just bic it in the shower. I haven’t payed for a haircut in decades.

#5790 9 months ago
Quoted from Rondogg:

None of this will ever be over until we have a vaccine. Then it will be over.

I quickly see a world where this is liken to chicken pox. Everyone will get it sooner of later....flatten the curve....spread out the rare of infection. This isn’t to reduce the number of sick, it’s to reduce the number of sick all at once. Sooner or later we’ll start having conversations like this with friends.

“did you get the covid yet?”
“Oh ya, I had it six months ago, it was the worst.”
“I’m glad your well, my aunt just got it. I don’t think she’ll make it.”

Don’t be fooled. A vaccine will not come quick enough for most. Millions will die. Either it’s over 3 months or 3 years. The push to make ventilators won’t save all the lives. Currently if your bad enough to be put on a ventilator, then you have less then a 20% chance of making it through. The death rate of infected is much higher then China ever reported.

Stay home. Be safe

#5791 9 months ago
Quoted from Pinball_Gizzard:

Evolution states that an organism that can adapt to a change in environment survives while one that can’t adapt or adapts less well dies out.

Evolution is inevitable. Your ability to adapt is not.

#5795 9 months ago

I’ve played enough Plague inc. on my iPad to know that covid-19 is a winning game. The objective of that game is to infect the world before people find a cure.

I heard the game has been removed from app stores in China because it was causing too much fear.

If you have never played it. Give it a try. It’s a fun strategy game and might be eye opening for some on what we’re in for.

#5855 9 months ago

Here’s an informative video, it’s a bit long but worth it

#5867 9 months ago

Hey, I just got my government mail today too

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#6098 9 months ago
Quoted from robertmee:

So you're expecting 32 million deaths worldwide?

Quoted from PinJim:

I’ll run the math tomorrow.

Quick math In my head the other day I estimated 300 million. But I’d prefer someone more educated then I am to tell me a better number. Because that freaks me out.

#6147 9 months ago

April 1st numbers so far today. Lots of countries haven’t reported today yet.

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#6148 9 months ago

Just read a national post article. In Canada this expected to last until July at the earliest

https://apple.news/AqffDbILiRXKwbv6mOVN33A

#6382 9 months ago
Quoted from Daditude:

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We’ve all collectively agreed that schools are non essential, but alcohol stores are.

#6402 9 months ago
Quoted from Pablito350:

Did I have it? I'd love to know.

Last week of Jan I was down in the Caribbean with 14 people. When we came home about 1/2 of us were sick for a week of so. I was fine, but a couple of us were fairly sick.

Did I have it, I’d love to know.

#6460 9 months ago

Don’t only blame China for giving false numbers.

Here in Ontario it was reported yesterday That there is a discrepancy in the number of deaths reported. The difference between the provinces numbers and the added up totals for each municipality is over 30 people. The province said that retirement homes totals might not yet be included in their totals, but that only accounts for like 15 of the 30 in recorded deaths.

#6552 9 months ago
Quoted from wrb1977:

Weather forecasting is clearly more advanced in Canada than here in the US.

My local news gives 3 weather reports. One for the south by Detroit. One local to us, and the third is up north in cottage country. Probably 400km from one side of the area to the other, so naturally the wether would be different in your area.

#6557 9 months ago

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#6753 9 months ago
Quoted from cait001:

Dark thoughts

Pinside has ~65000 members.
If 30% get the virus that’s 19500 in our community
If 5% of them pass away. That’s a thousand pinheads lost.

#7210 9 months ago
Quoted from iceman44:

We would need to see about 3,000 per day for the next 60 days to get there

It's called exponential growth. The big numbers come closer to the end. Ya dont just level off.

#7870 9 months ago

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#7987 9 months ago

Well it looks like stairs were the weekend project. I painted the walls, currently working on trim, and still need to sand, stain and finish the steps with polyurethane or something. Still lots of touch up to deal with.
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Back on topic. Here’s the daily totals so far. Those graph lines are pointed up on a pretty steep angle.
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#7991 9 months ago
Quoted from Jaybird815:

Is it too early to start drinking?

No. These are unprecedented times, anything is possible.

#8053 9 months ago

I always thought of unions as one of the pillars of society. The others being corporations and governments. They each work as checks and balances against each other. Not really needed in a covid thread.

I’m indifferent. I had one friend who went through some hard personal times. His union helped him keep his job. I have a different friend that is part of a union that is being run very poorly financially and ethicality! He started looking for work outside the union right before this mess all started.

#8055 9 months ago
Quoted from TheFamilyArcade:

Don’t forget a free press!

Good call.

#8059 9 months ago
Quoted from smalltownguy2:

UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson has been moved into the ICU....

He’s high risk. I’m sure he’s getting the best care available, but even that might not be enough.

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#8108 9 months ago
Quoted from o-din:

I only listen to what Dr. Seuss has to say in times like these.

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#8131 9 months ago
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#8227 9 months ago
Quoted from Tubes:

Science is an arbitrary construct.

Science is a process of finding correct answers. Nothing more, nothing less. It is not an arbitrary construct

#8232 9 months ago

My buddy in china sent me this article today. Its front a chinese news source describing how different news outlets lie to you.

It's in english.

https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/myQn0D0IdeROBe42kFUVkg

#8235 9 months ago

From my previous link

Why lie? (a brief history)

Sometime in the 1960s the Networks realized that over 60% of their profits came from news. Growing up, I had believed that "News" and "Entertainment" were separate things. The truth, it seems has been that "news" is a form of entertainment. It is also a 

tool used to control what facts and information people have access to. More importantly, it is a profit generating mechanism for media moguls like Rupert Murdoc. 

In the 70s and 80s competition between news networks became more intense and eventually lead to sensationalism and spin to reach more of an audience and sway opinions in a general direction. Instead of just reporting facts, it was found that by 

emotionally charging an argument, they could increase viewership.

Types of Lies

There are a number of ways in which media lies to you. Sometimes directly, other times indirectly.

Truth by Repitition - This kind of lie is when something is repeated enough times, particularly a headline, so that the actual truth becomes irrelevant. This can be attributed to a human flaw known as "confirmation bias". If a "fact" is confirmed enough times by enough sources it becomes subjectively true. In this case, one cannot blame the media directly, except for their own eagerness to "get the story out". Remember, they are in the business of making money. After you read the first story, subsequent stories will likely only get a "headline" view

Lie by Deflection - This is when media sources deliberately report on information that is not relevant or attempt to distract from factual information by creating an emotional spin on it. This happens when the people in charge want to push their opinion on their readers and form an "Us against them" with their readers. Watch out for the next lie, because it often is found in the same agency, and next to the deflection.

Lie by Omission - This is when important and relevant facts are deliberately removed from an article to focus on the agenda the reporting agency has in mind. Support this candidate, hate this person, or even buy this product, amongst other things, are all agendas networks and news have pushed.

Focus on Opinion - is a lie where the media repeats its news and offers no dissenting views, particularly when it comes to reporting on an opinion piece. The objective here is to isolate people whose ideas differ from the reporting agency and magnify the representation of ideas they want to go through. Liberal news talks with liberal supporters to show how many people support liberal ideas. As does conservative news. This lie is often followed up with "Truth by Repetition". Together, they create an environment that the reader may be in a minority opinion group, and thus more willing to "go with the flow" of the majority.

Distortion of Fact - is when the media reports heavily on facts as though they are far more important than they actually are.

Misrepresentation of Facts - this is classic "taking out of context" to purposefully or inadvertently change the meaning of factual

Sensationalism - is when the news reported has wording meant to excite its reader. 

Spin - is when the "direction" of the news is turned towards something else. An example might be that, instead of focusing on a particular fault of their own, a company may redirect attention to the shortcomings of a competitor.

Truth and Fiction - The best lies are told with a grain of truth. This is when news presents some factual information with added information that is not true. Usually it serves the purpose of guiding the viewer into having a particular opinion about the subject. The factual information lends credibility to the fictional information. In the end, people tend to forget information and remember more of a feeling about something. Therefore, once this information is proven false, most people are still left with the original impression the article gave them, thereby distorting their opinion of the subject unfairly.

Lies through "Trolling" and Commentary - Modern media has had the onslaught of people able to express their opinions and views on reported information. If you think these are all honest individuals you are mistaken. If you think they're just people with a sick sense of humor, you are also wrong. Here are some reference articles that talk about it:

https://www.cracked.com/blog/6-things-you-learn-getting-paid-to-troll-peopleonline/

http://politicalomnivore.blogspot.com/2012/02/how-do-i-get-paid-to-be-on-linetroll.html

I would like to note at the end of the second link's article, the author personally does not feel paid trolling is an extensive business. As I'm inclined to agree, I would still like to point out that in some cases I also believe there have been incidents. Here is a link to an article on Snopes.com (link below) that asserts protestors received money, but were not "paid".

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/paid-protesters-kavanaugh-hearings/

While this kind of thing may be rare, it still occurs. Furthermore, as the posters are not really held accountable for expressing their opinions or "facts", it is often dismissed. Regardless, it does have an impact on a reader's interpretation of an article. 

The main point here is that there are many ways in which the media either deliberately or inadvertently lies to

What is the Problem exactly?

Much of the problem with all this lies in a relaxing of Ethics in Journalism by governing bodies. After all, if journalism is a category of entertainment, there is no need to legislate or control what is actually said. As media moguls are in private business to turn profit, they are free to report on whatever they wish and in the manner they see will turn that profit. Ethics in Journalism ceases to exist because it's just another private business. Asking the government to handle journalism isn't a solution either as thegovernment is seen as having its own agenda to push. There needs to be a clear distinction between news and entertainment and the articles presented as news should aptly reflect the same ethical standards of teachers and reference materials (such as old school encyclopedias). The articles that are presented for entertainment need to be clearly labeled as such and recognized as an unreliable source of information. Facts need to be presented without bias, without emotional language, and without spin or other forms of misdirection.

Here is a list from the Ethical Journalism Network (EJN) on what ethical journalism is:

1) Truth and Accuracy

2) Independence

3) Fairness and Impartiality

4) Humanity

5) Accountability

You can read the full article here: 

https://ethicaljournalismnetwork.org/who-we-are/5-principles-of-journali

What Can I Do About It?

As modern journalism seems to further lack standards, let alone ethics it becomes important that readers in general take up some fact-checking on their own. Here are some strategies to confirm factual information from fictional accounts.

No.1

Read articles from conflicting sources. That is, find any two articles on a topic from two sources whose motivation is opposed. Perhaps an article from Fox and CNN about the same event. The truth will be on the shared information they agree on. Everything else is garbage meant to cater to the reader's sense of right or wrong. The more articles you read on a particular story, from differing sources, the more you'll be able to find the "common thread" connection. Those are likely the facts. It's been argued recently about where COVID-19 started. However, what every source agrees on is that the first known outbreak started in Wuhan China. No one disagrees about that. As you explore this, you will find, little by little, what is actually known and what is speculation. 

No.2

Look for articles that post their references and sources. Check on those sources. Most writers know you aren't likely to read twenty articles to fact check them or their interpretation of an article they read. Yet that is exactly what you need to do. Why is this source credible? How does the author make that particular statement? Why does the author say this? 

No.3

Shared opinions doesn't equal a fact. Realize the difference between subjective reality and objective reality. Sharing a subjective reality can make you feel connected but it won't do anything to help you find the truth. Unfortunately, too many people enjoy living in a bubble reality where everyone agrees with them and they don't have to support their statements. Too many people don't like to have their beliefs challenged and go into cognitive dissonance when they are presented with facts that don't match their reality. Don't be among them. Keep an open mind.

No.4

Learn more about critical thinking. Openly challenge ideas and information until you can prove it to yourself. Know what it will take to prove something to you. Set your own standard, but do so earnestly. If information presented qualifies your pre-set condition 

of proof, then accept you were wrong. Neil deGrasse Tyson tells a story in his MasterClass (available on the website: Masterclass.com) about a man that wanted proof of the moon landing. Neil asked him what he would need to prove the moon landing. The man said he would need a photograph. When Mr. Tyson presented the evidence, it was still not enough. The point of this is, there is no way to prove something to someone that wants to believe otherwise. Incidentally, I highly recommend Mr. Tyson's "Scientific Teaching" masterclass.

No.5

Eye-witness testimony is worthless unless it's your own or been documented via video where you can also see and evaluate what happened.Understand however, even videos can be subject to the above "Lies" and misrepresentation.

No.6

Ask yourself, why is this news and what is the article's agenda? Are they honestly trying to share information with me or is it geared towards a particular opinion? How many adjectives are used in this article and for what purpose? Yes, adjectives indicate subjective truth, and in the case of factual information, irrelevant: does it matter what race or color the man who robbed the bank was? However, it might make a difference when reporting that a suspect is wanted for questioning and in giving a description so as to track them down.

About the Author:

I am not a reporter. I am not a journalist. I am a freelance writer. I write under the pen-name Victor. I do not have a "rosey-view" of the world as has been suggested by some commentators, but I do believe in the better nature and logic of mankind. People do what they do for a purpose, usually to meet some need they have that is lacking otherwise. Before you judge someone, consider where they have been and what they have learned in their lives. Conflict is resolved by understanding, not accusing or judging. Likewise, I am not perfect. I'm just another person wandering this road and trying to make sense of it.

#8259 9 months ago
Quoted from loneacer:

I wish I would have anticipated the great jigsaw puzzle bubble of 2020. I dug this one out of the closet that I bought in 2014 and never opened. Somebody bought it yesterday. With shipping and tax, they paid $82. Just unreal.[quoted image]

I think that a good middle man should add value. Not just inflate price.

Added in edit:
A very good friend of mine used to flip pinball machines. Buy a game, talk down the seller a couple hundred bucks. Play it for 2 weeks then sell it for hundreds more then the previous transaction. He didnt fix the games up. He didnt love pinball. He was just in it for profit. Really pissed me off

I'm glad hes no longer into pinball. Hes now flipping '80s Mustangs.

#8262 9 months ago

I'm trying to wrap my head around these two graphs.

Is this implying in the first graph that 95% of positively tested people have a mild case, and that 5% have serious symptoms. Then the second chart looks like 20% of positive tested people die.

How is it 5% in the first and 20% in the second? I realize the second is for cases with an outcome, but shouldn't the serious cases percentage be close to the fatality percentage?

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#8293 9 months ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

The governor has not told me I should be taking this drug, cause why not, try it if I like. What do I have to lose? Take it as a precaution!

Hahahaha. Be careful with taking the drugs politicians say are ok. Remember Toronto's old crack head mayor. Rob ford. He's passed away from cancer since then,but it was quite the scandal in it's time.

#8310 9 months ago

Here’s the 1000 pcs I’m doing with my daughter.
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I also have the NYC puzzle that I did years ago, we might build it after this one.

#8347 9 months ago

If it is in fact true that you are immune once the virus has run its course on you; then couldn't the survivors/immune return to work covering as many essential jobs as possible?

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#8360 9 months ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

Tell me this.
China has a population of 1.3 billion. The US has a population of 327 million.
Why do we suck so bad when compared to a country that has 4 times our population?
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2 reasons.
China has a better control over the population and news propaganda. They were able to FULLY lockdown in the affected area relatively quickly.

China lies about their numbers.

#8400 9 months ago
Quoted from pinballOsp:

I am so befuddled

This is the new world we’re living in now. Some people don’t need facts, all that maters is how they feel.
“I feel fine, I’m going out.” “I don’t feel this is a threat.” “I don’t feel like wearing a mask.”

I was always told. Never argue with an idiot; they’ll beat you down to their level, then they’ll beat you with years of experience.

Quoted from Tranquilize:

I'm not a conspiracy nut, but I do see it as the government's best interest to lie. They will keep lying and bumping the date of "return to normal" to keep panic at a low.

Someone else the other day used the analogy of a frog in boiling water. If you drop a frog into boiling water it will panic. If you place him in warm water and slowly raise the temperature, he will sit there until boiled.

#8425 9 months ago

Today's home education lesson for chemistry. I thought it was a good lesson for a 9 year old that has never baked bread before.

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#8551 9 months ago
Quoted from JodyG:

Have not even had to get gas in over a month, since I live 2 miles from where I work. Kinda cool in that respect, at least.

When I was working, I used a tank of gas everyday. Last time I bought gas was March 15, the day I was told we were closing till June. I still have 1/2 a tank in the van. Actually; Once my gas expense is taken into account, I make just as much on unemployment as I did working.

#8702 9 months ago

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#8709 9 months ago

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#8771 9 months ago
Quoted from o-din:

Well, if nobody did, we wouldn't have much of a thread here now would we?

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#8825 9 months ago

There’s a retirement home here in Ontario. It’s in a small rural community called bobcaygeon. 28 of the 65 residents have passed away in the last week. Nursing homes in the province are letting families remove their parents without loosing their position at the home so they can come back quickly once the virus has passed

#8826 9 months ago
Quoted from jamesmc:

From riding my bike, I see things slowly tightening around here. Day by day, beaches are closed, walk paths are closed. My eyes tell me there is no way CA is opening up on May 1

My wife received a email to print off from her work. It says that she’s an essential worker....my guess is that road blocks will eventually be erected and you’ll need a good reason to pass through.

Quoted from jamesmc:

People wave to me constantly while riding my bike. Before there would be an occasional wave, now people acknowledge more often than not.

I’ve also noticed this while out with the dog.

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#9041 9 months ago

To my religious friends on here. Please don’t go to Easter church services. I understand it’s an important holiday for you but you don’t want to be sitting around the Christmas dinner table looking at empty spots wondering if there was more you could have done.

Thoughts and prayers won’t save lives this time, be safe and keep your loved ones safe too.

#9084 9 months ago

If the lockdown does what it says it should with reducing spread of the virus, then one could assume that if a certain sub sect of the population ignored the lockdown they would be affected more.

Like, if only NHL hockey games were allowed to happen with fans in attendance, you should see more death among the population of hockey fans. More contact to the virus = more people infected = more loss of life. Even though I dont like hockey (even though I'm canadian) I dont want to see any of my hockey loving friends get I'll.

.......don't go to church this weekend.

#9090 9 months ago
Quoted from Wolfmarsh:

I really hope people heed this warning. I'm down here in the bible belt and the number of churches still planning something is staggering.

My parents are high risk so they are staying home. Their hobby farm is mostly self sufficient, so they are ok to be locked in for weeks.

My sister is a hospital worker and her husband is a firefighter. So they're both smart enough to avoid people whenever possible.

#9334 9 months ago
Quoted from Rezdog:

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Rezdog really does have a key post there. I’m surprised it hasn’t been marked as such.

#9404 9 months ago

So, last night we rented the new trolls movie on Apple TV for $20....why do I have to ever go back to a movie theater again?

If streaming proves profitable, then theaters could be done with.

#9571 9 months ago

Arcade 1up is helping us remember to wash our hands.

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#9603 9 months ago
Quoted from Murphdom:

Hide those pictures someone might rob you for that rubbing alcohol. . I actually read an article the other day where someone’s house was broken into and all their sanitizer, wipes, and toilet paper were stolen. They must have been a hoarder and someone was showing them a lesson.

Flour is also hard to find around here....and your just throwing it on a playfield. It’s like quarantine porn. “Can you mix the rubbing alcohol and flour together and smear it all over your playfield?”

#9653 9 months ago
Quoted from Daditude:

What's everyone eating for Easter lunch/dinner today?

Ham, carrots/broccoli, mashed potatoes.

Quoted from Mr68:

If we could just eliminate the penny, that's all I ask.

Canada removed the penny from circulation years ago. If you use cash it gets rounded off to the $.05, if you pay with a card it calculates the same as before.

#9704 9 months ago
Quoted from Daditude:

We are having lamb, Passover potatoes, asparagus, deviled eggs, and lemon bars.
I will try to take pics.

My dad was so god fearing that we called them stuffed eggs. I was a teen before I realized that EVERYBODY else called them deviled eggs.

#9711 9 months ago

Jeopardy question for 500pts

What was the first song that I slow danced with a girl to at a public school dance?

She was cute and I was a young 11 year old kid.

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#10285 9 months ago

I was told by email today our shut down was extended from June 15 to June 30. I doubt that parks will be open in July.

#10291 9 months ago
Quoted from toddsolus:

where do you work?
By the way I was just chatting with Moab Adventures...they are taking reservations for river trips starting in the beginning of May...
https://www.moabadventurecenter.com/moab-river-rafting

I work for a cable tv sub contractor. We’re pretty non essential.

In other news I have a plan for later. A White Russian Should help with home schooling.

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#10295 9 months ago
Quoted from smalltownguy2:

but I'm recognizing I have limits

FaceTime, Skype, and Zoom have really helped.

On Friday nights after all the kids have gone to bed we group chat with all out friends. People come and go as they can. We play drinking games. Jack box is also really fun; the meeting host shares their desktop to run the game and everyone else answers on their cell phone. It’s not the best, but it has really helped socialize in a large group of friends.

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#10304 9 months ago
Quoted from wrb1977:

Seriously? We are only one month into this and you are at your limit? US involvement in WWII lasted approximately four years...[quoted image]

Previous generations had to fight and died so that other people could sit safely in their homes.

Now a days people can’t sit safely in their homes so that other people don’t have to fight and die.

#10411 9 months ago

I was going to make an attacking post, that would have probably got me moderated out of here for a bit.

Instead I’ll say to everyone, please donate to pinside. Even in this time of struggle for so many please give credit where credit is due. If this website is your source of entertainment during the lockdown, then in my humble opinion it’s worth $5 of your cash to keep it running.

#10416 9 months ago

The news tonight said that in Ontario they are only counting deaths that happen in hospitals. So none of the nursing home numbers are included and people that die at home are left out too.

#10501 9 months ago

One plus with everyone wearing masks is that facial recognition software will have a tougher time tracking you.

#10505 9 months ago
Quoted from screaminr:

Over here they're going to track you with your phone so they can work out who's getting infected

Ya, I head about that. I don’t like it at all. The bonus is that it’s supposed to be through Bluetooth and not location data. The draw back if that Bluetooth doesn’t really give you a good measure of interaction. It you pass someone on the other side of the street your chance of contact is minimal, but your Bluetooth range would connect. There’s supposed to be no personal information, but if it doesn’t tell you whom you contacted it from, then how would you be able to know where you got it, or when you got it.

All of this is a moot point. Your phone is always being tracked Already, this new software would just tracks other devices you’ve come into contact with.......doesn’t Facebook basically do this already.

#10508 9 months ago

That’s news, not opinion. I think it should be ok. You didn’t give your personal view, you just linked a news article.

#10606 9 months ago
Quoted from DaveH:

I don't know anything about those particular posts, but that is common on Pinside. The moderators have full rights to just clip posts out of existence. And thank goodness they do. A lot of times they are ads, or spam, or so inflammatory and against the rules that the only solution is to delete it. There was a time where Pinside was getting spammed like crazy. A new account would sign up, and then post 100 spam messages before getting the account frozen and the posts clipped. Normal operations on a moderated internet site as far as I'm concerned. I don't know what those posts are, but I'm sure they should have been there in the first place if a mod deleted them (especially in this thread that is probably as much work as the rest of the site right now).

One was a link to a news story on the guardian. It wasn’t very praising of certain world leaders, to say the least. It was factual and not opinion. My guess is that it was viewed to political and removed.

#10772 9 months ago
Quoted from Blitzburgh99:

For those who want the cliff notes version of the previous 10,000 plus posts in this thread, here are the official Coronavirus guidelines:
1. Basically, you can't leave the house for any reason, but if you have to, then you can.
2. Masks are useless, but maybe you have to wear one, it can save you, it is useless, but maybe it is mandatory as well.
3. Stores are closed, except those that are open.
4. You should not go to hospitals unless you have to go there. Same applies to doctors, you should only go there in case of emergency, provided you are not too sick.
5. This virus is deadly but still not too scary, except that sometimes it actually leads to a global disaster.
6. Gloves won't help, but they can still help.
7. Everyone needs to stay HOME, but it's important to GO OUT.
8. There is no shortage of groceries in the supermarket, but there are many things missing when you go there in the evening, but not in the morning. Sometimes.
9. The virus has no effect on children except those it affects.
10. Animals are not affected, but there is still a cat that tested positive in Belgium in February when no one had been tested, plus a few tigers here and there…
11. You will have many symptoms when you are sick, but you can also get sick without symptoms, have symptoms without being sick, or be contagious without having symptoms. Oh, my..
12. In order not to get sick, you have to eat well and exercise, but eat whatever you have on hand and it's better not to go out, well, but no…
13. It's better to get some fresh air, but you get looked at very wrong when you get some fresh air, and most importantly, you don't go to parks or walk. But don't sit down, except that you can do that now if you are old, but not for too long or if you are pregnant (but not too old).
14. You can't go to retirement homes, but you have to take care of the elderly and bring food and medication.
15. If you are sick, you can't go out, but you can go to the pharmacy.
16. You can get restaurant food delivered to the house, which may have been prepared by people who didn't wear masks or gloves. But you have to have your groceries decontaminated outside for 3 hours. Pizza too?
17. Every disturbing article or disturbing interview starts with "I don't want to trigger panic, but…"
18. You can't see your older mother or grandmother, but you can take a taxi and meet an older taxi driver.
19. You can walk around with a friend but not with your family if they don't live under the same roof.
20. You are safe if you maintain the appropriate social distance, but you can't go out with friends or strangers at the safe social distance.
21. The virus remains active on different surfaces for two hours, no, four, no, six, no, we didn't say hours, maybe days? But it takes a damp environment. Oh no, not necessarily.
22. The virus stays in the air - well no, or yes, maybe, especially in a closed room, in one hour a sick person can infect ten, so if it falls, all our children were already infected at school before it was closed. But remember, if you stay at the recommended social distance, however in certain circumstances you should maintain a greater distance, which, studies show, the virus can travel further, maybe.
23. We count the number of deaths but we don't know how many people are infected as we have only tested so far those who were "almost dead" to find out if that's what they will die of…
24. We have no treatment, except that there may be one that apparently is not dangerous unless you take too much (which is the case with all medications).
25. We should stay locked up until the virus disappears, but it will only disappear if we achieve collective immunity, so when it circulates… but we must no longer be locked up for that?

What a useless post. Intelligent people will see the humor, naive people will disregard the warnings. I understand that no one really knows what’s going on, but I look at your post being very dismissive of the whole situation.

Let me try this out.
1) stairs always go upstairs, unless you need to use them to go down.
2) laundry always goes into the basket, unless it’s laundry day then it goes in the machine.
3) my car always drives flawlessly for hundreds of miles, until it runs out of gas.

Completely useless

#10796 9 months ago
Quoted from Blitzburgh99:

I’ve lived through some major hurricanes in Texas and now watching the virus tear through the world, and I’m here to tell you..ain’t no one coming to save you. When the shit hits the fan, we are all on our own. Having a gun your hand is better than a stick or some rocks.

Maybe it’s a Canadian thing, or a community thing, but I don’t see how a gun would help me or my neighbors in a disaster. I don’t fear people around me, and will help them out best I can. I’m not on my own, I know my neighbors.

Quoted from Blitzburgh99:

It’s not dismissive. Aren’t you getting frustrated about all the conflicting information over this thing?
Here is what I have surmised as briefly as I can state it:
1. Everyone is gonna get it
2. It’s a coin flip as to whether we live or die when it’s our turn
3. Social distancing is to save the health care system capacity, not people
4. Good luck!

I totally agree with the frustration, it’s just like any other news story, you have to sift through the static to find the signal. It takes time to find out correct answers. And we’re looking for correct answers not just ones that fulfill our personal needs.

#10799 9 months ago

If you get it.

50% you won’t even know you have it. These are the ones spreading it around.
30% you’ll get the flu like symptoms. Some mild, some severe.
20% will need hospitals. These are the ones we’re trying to save.

I’ve read that this kills between 2%-9% of the overall infected population, so if your in the hospital group your outcome doesn’t look good about 50/50. If your placed on a ventilator then your chance of surviving is ~20%. (80% of people placed on ventilators still die) If your on a ventilator for more then 3 weeks then your at high risk of complications from the ventilator it self and your survival rate drops.

#10800 9 months ago

Now for some humor.

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#10874 9 months ago

Today’s chemistry class with dad. Cinnamon rolls 101

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#10885 9 months ago
Quoted from Atari_Daze:

Viscosity discussion?

She’s 9 and thinks I’m ridiculous whenever I talk about science, but she does absorb the concepts and seems to enjoy the experimenting. I always act like I don’t know what going to happen when you mix the baking soda and vinegar. So she feels like she’s leading the show, although I’m the mastermind behind the scenes. It’s fun watching her explain it to my wife what happened, like we were the first to discover yeast or something.

#10901 9 months ago
Quoted from Blitzburgh99:

This will end well.....[quoted image]

This time it's happening globally not just in one country, the hope is that inflation will be minimal.

#10912 9 months ago

They're delicious

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#11022 9 months ago
Quoted from Blitzburgh99:

Has there been any intelligent explanations on why testing is such a problem?

Here’s my unintelligent explanation.

It’s almost like this Coronavirus is something new that humans have never had before. That’s why they call it a novel Coronavirus. Just like anything else thats a new experience, it takes time to figure it out. Everyone shouting that they have a miracle cure is just hoping.

We haven’t figured out the virus yet. We know so little about this that we can’t even test for it properly yet.

#11031 9 months ago
Quoted from bob_e:

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I tell people that I don’t fear anything in life, but there are many things I’m very cautious about.

I don’t fear from covid-19
I don’t fear from Public shootings
I don’t fear from my government
I don’t fear from local crime
I don’t fear from terrorists

I am afraid of gun carrying Americans when they suddenly realize that Canada has most of the fresh water in the world, and they decide to take it.

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#11036 9 months ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

I'll leave you with Alex Jones and the line of trash he tries to peddle.

I like Alex Jones, I think he’s bat shit crazy but he tells a good story. He’s got conviction in his beliefs and doesn’t hold back. I put him in the same category of people as Ben Shapiro. I totally disagree with their ideas, but I’ll let them talk. I know that they won’t indoctrinate me into their cult of belief. But that’s their opinion, and they stand by it.

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#11431 9 months ago

Just heard a great quote

Try hard not to offend, try harder not to be offended

#11484 9 months ago

There’s a time and place for everything. I know A LOT of funny jokes. But most of them are not appropriate for pinside

#11595 9 months ago
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#11596 9 months ago

We finished the 1st layer of the 4d puzzle today too

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#11603 9 months ago
Quoted from toddsolus:

I'm sorry. What is the 4th dimension?
Smell? Taste? Or does it move ?

Time.

You make a map of the city for the base layer. The second layer has cutouts for all of the skyscrapers. Then the time element is a poster timeline you get that shows the order that the buildings get added. So you can see the skyline at various time in the past.

The one for NYC has pre/post 9/11. They include skyscrapers up to ~2025.

#11924 9 months ago

Fun times.

Since we’re all at home on lockdown, we’ve been doing group chats on Friday and Saturday nights with out friends. We drink, hang out, shoot the shit. Well it turns out that one friend has installed a smart home thermostat and colour changing lightbulbs. At random times someone in the chat would loudly say “ok google, turn the lights blue.” And sure enough kris’ house would change colours through the video chat. we kept messing with him all night. “Ok google, set the temperature to 40 degrees”. Ok google...... I wonder if he regrets the purchase.

#12209 9 months ago

I’m really concerned about the long term food supply chain issues over the next couple years. I believe that almost every processed food will have time periods of scarcity. Hopefully it doesn’t all happen at once. I think there will be waves that roll through the industry for a while and hopefully they won’t combine at once.

The first wave I noticed was large items like TP, bags of flour, bags of rice, frozen foods, ect. Most of these are warehoused to a degree and can be replenished fairly quickly. I don’t think products like yeast will restock quickly, it takes time to grow and has a short shelf life.

The next wave will be from manufacturing plants closing down to sanitize after employees inevitably get infected. Regional items like fresh meats that only travel a couple hundred miles will become sporadic to find. Other national items might just disappear for a while. Here in Canada there only 1 plant making Kraft Mac & Cheese. If they stop for a while, it will be noticed coast to coast. https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/a-single-factory-is-now-working-24-7-to-keep-kraft-dinner-on-grocery-shelves-1.4862199

Farming will take a massive hit this year. A lot of harvesting requires foreign workers. We’re seeing stories of milk being dumped, pigs being culled, because of lack of processing availability. What happens in the fall when all the crops need to come off and no one is there to pick them? Or no factory is there to process them?

The further out waves will be when frozen vegetable stockpiles run out, and the farm can’t get workers to harvest. Also a lot of produce is transported thousands of miles. Your now not just relying on your own countries ability to keep thing going, you’re also going to have to worry about their ability to produce the products and ship them timely. I think a lot of products will eventually be affected.

#12547 9 months ago

For the poor people in China that rely on the wet markets for daily food, what alternatives could the Chinese Government provide for them? It would be like our farmers market being closed down. They need to change their culture not just close a market.

#12553 9 months ago

Mc Donald’s Canada has always been marketed as 100% Canadian beef. The Cargill beef processing plant in Alberta has been closed due to 700+ cases of covid. Grocery stores are getting low on beef in the West and Mc Donald’s Canada announced they will need to source beef from outside Canada. I doubt that meat will come from the suffering American supplies, is there anywhere in the world right now with surplus beef, at Canadian food grade standards?

If Mc Donald’s closed because they have no supply of meat, people will loose their minds in some areas. I work in some communities where fast food is the only food in walking distance.

#12734 8 months ago

China lied about how bad this was going to be. In January China ordered Chinese nationals all over the world to buy massive amounts of PPE and send them back to the “motherland”. China has been reselling those masks back at an inflated price and is actively preventing other countries from getting supplies.

We all knew it was bad, I didn’t know it was this bad. Some would look at this as acts of war almost.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/newspolitics/united-front-groups-in-canada-helped-beijing-stockpile-coronavirus-safety-supplies/ar-BB13pYoS?ocid=spartandhp

#13043 8 months ago
Quoted from wrb1977:

That will never happen nor should it. There is no one size fits all solution for this.

You’re completely right, and absolutely wrong. Look at 9/11. It changed global air transportation immediately. Now no one can bring a water bottle on a plane. The new safety measures will be more or less a global response.

Quoted from Blitzburgh99:

This is a tale of two societies...
those who are employed and working from home with no worries about losing their jobs and health coverage.
Then there are those who are weeks away from losing the roof over their heads, their entire business, and/or their health care coverage.
Those in the first group need to show a little more empathy for the people in the second group.

That won’t happen in USA too much capitalism. You need to follow a compassionate countries lead. You shouldn’t have second class citizens. Equal opportunity for all (not equal treatment for all). Every person gets the treatment they require.

Quoted from too-many-pins:

Personally I think the "smarter move" is for people who are out of work to take jobs that are opening up as a result of this mess short term until things start returning to normal.

I think that not the “smarter move” I think that will soon be the only move. Meat plant can’t process food because their workers are sick, find new workers to keep the plant running. Can’t find workers, offer them first choice on meat cuts before it goes to stores. People want to eat, they will work. In order to keep essential services open long term (1-2 years) they will need to cycle through employees at a phenomenal rate. Grave diggers, body bag haulers, delivery drivers there will be work for those that want it. Hospitals will need to hire nurses from closed private practices to stay open. PSW and health support workers will be hiring like mad, I bet their hiring requirements will be less strict Just to keep the places functioning.

Either that or military will need to come in to run these facilities. Here in Canada some of the nursing homes hardest hit have asked for military support to Help run the home.

#13049 8 months ago
Quoted from swampfire:

There is a 3rd group: essential workers. People risking their lives to deliver pizza, stock grocery store shelves, staff hospitals.

There was a story I read a week or two ago about this. A mother was talking about her daughter. It want something along the lines of

Don’t call my daughter a hero. A hero is someone that rushes into action, a hero is placed on a pedestal like they are better then the average person. My daughter is no hero, she is a slave to the system, she is terrified ever time she has to go into work. She wasn’t trained for or prepared to deal with what’s happening. But she’s stuck between a rock and a hard place with nowhere to move. She needs help not praise.

#13149 8 months ago

Why is America’s covid death rate twice that of Canada.

“The overwhelming opinion points to three main contributors: longstanding issues related to health care, politics and one particular city.”

https://apple.news/AXCuxteynRuCeJ_0v2Bgb2Q

#13150 8 months ago
Quoted from screaminr:

Funny you mention that .
My father-in-law passed away early March , his car has been sitting at our place since then and the battery is totally dead . How long do you think you have to drive it to charge the battery .

You’ll need a new battery at this point.

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#13238 8 months ago

In other news. Some say Fox News Is nothing more then political opinion. Remember how Fox News reacted to the Ebola Outbreak under the previous administration a couple years ago? Remember how bad that was for the world?

#13470 8 months ago
Quoted from gweempose:

There are simply no words ..

Wow that’s wild. I just finished reading a Q-anon book my buddy gave me called the great awakening. Seriously crazy stuff. I enjoy a good conspiracy story as much as the next guy but that was a crazy read, you have to make some mental leaps to believe it all. I don’t recommend it to anyone. I put it on the same level as dianetics by L Ron Hubbard.

I would not take Covid advice from a Q supporter.

#13494 8 months ago

Elon was on joe rogan for another 2 hour podcast just the other day. So X Æ A-12 is pronounced “ex eh eye” the a-12 at the end is dropped. But when your that rich it doesn’t really matter what your name is.

#13513 8 months ago
Quoted from Damen:Deleted post

Ben said it better

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#13536 8 months ago
Quoted from razorsedge:

It's not supposed to be a decision. Billie has been openly telling us about his grande virus and vaccine plan for years now.
Luckily all that research hasn't been for nothing, since some highly researched/manipulated virus has just accidentally mysteriously poped up, and it comes at just the right time! ... Phew!

Bill gates’ quote about vaccines and population control are always taken out of context. Bill was talking about 3rd world countries where families have huge lots of children because infant/child mortality is so high. The countries where families have 10 kids because there’s a good chance 1/2 will die from malnutrition or disease. If parents don’t have to worry about multiple child deaths, then they may have less child births. Hopefully only have enough to kids to care for ect. In order to do this you don’t just need vaccinations you also needs education and contraception, and it just so happens that these are the things being improved in 3rd world countries.

Population control through birth rates and education and vaccines.

#13562 8 months ago
Quoted from woody76:

especially over a virus with a .000002 chance of death. Lets be honest, this thing was no where near what old dr evil thought it was going to be

Hahaha. You don’t do math well
80000 dead in USA. USA population 328000000.

.........80 000 ..........X
—————-—...=....——-
328 000 000 .........100

Percentage of population dead currently from covid = ~ 0.024%

If it was truly .000002% that would be 6 people dead in USA

#13564 8 months ago

If we do the math globally. We’re at about 0.00365% of the worlds population has already died from covid and that Number is changing daily.

Again your .000002% number would be 156 deaths worldwide. It’s safe to say wherever you got that number from it was inaccurate

#13584 8 months ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

If you ever go to some the old cemeteries in the US, you are walking into history. You will see many many gravestones of a child that has died who was less than 5 years old. And many who were babies less than one year old.

Here’s another opportunity for a lesson. People assume that because in the Bronze Age the life expectancy was 26 years old that nobody lived to be a very old age. This is untrue. People were capable of living a long healthy life unfortunately infant/child mortality rates were so high that the average gets dropped to 26 years old. That’s how averages work one person lives to 80 while 10 more die before they’re 5 years old.

People don’t live longer now-a-days. Medicine has improved enough to keep the weak and young alive until they grow to be strong and old.

#13725 8 months ago

I forgive anyone that follows ken Copeland.

That’s the second best video I saw today. Look for jimmy kimmel’s monologue from last night. The final minute or two is hilarious. Unfortunately it might not pass the political sensor. Even though it’s clearly made in humor.

#13730 8 months ago
Quoted from KerryImming:

I would be interested in hearing opinions on how people think COVID-19 plays out.

What’s really interesting is looking at some of the opinions in this thread from 2 months ago. Oh, how wrong they were.

I think the “re-opening” is happening for 2 reasons. Before that we must realize that “flattening the curve” Was meant to prevent hospitals from becoming overloaded. Also this won’t begin to go away until globally we reach some level of heard immunity. (By that I mean a vaccine/treatment or minimal seasonal death.) there’s a possibility this won’t go away and will become another seasonal flu type virus.

I believe that the lockdown was a good measure, a best case effort to get ahead of the disease and limit initial impact on healthcare systems. Now that the curve is reportedly being flattened we must reopen because.

1. People are getting tired of being cooped up at home. Without significant infection numbers in their area people want to enjoy the nice weather as it approaches. America has a couple hundred years of don’t tread on me attitude and that might be one of the reasons that the lockdown wasn’t as effective in 5e US as it was in other countries.

2. The lockdown has to be lifted to keep infection rolling through the population. In order to reach heard immunity virtually everyone will need to have some level of exposure to the virus. The razors edge will be in controlling the spread at a rate where it won’t overload the hospitals. If people have access to proper healthcare then their ability to survive this is greatly improved.

TLDR: this will be here for a while, eventually everyone will get it. Hopefully there’s a well equipped affordable hospital bed waiting for you if you need it.

#13951 8 months ago
Quoted from chad:

What's next , no cussing .

That shit wont work in canada. Swearing is part of our culture.

Quoted from srmonte:

Let's just juice another 3T!

I really hope that a plus side of this global government spending will be a removal of international corporate tax loop holes, and large businesses like amazon (just a random example because Bezos is rich) pay more of their share.

#14231 8 months ago

Does anyone else get this reference?
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Here’s the video

#14267 8 months ago
Quoted from BobSacamano:

You're going to be seeing a lot of these headlines:
Man who called coronavirus ‘fake crisis’ gets infected, wife in critical condition

Why is it always Florida Man?

#14270 8 months ago

Heres some unsettling stats

USA has less then 5% of the world's population and 30% of the covid cases.

36 million Americans are out of work

Highest unemployment since the great depression

Fed chair said last week. 40% of households making less then $40k a year lost a job in march

#14271 8 months ago

My wife got herself a new hat. I call it her "social distancing hat" because no one would want to get close to someone with it on.

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#14278 8 months ago
Quoted from RTR:

I probably shouldn't say this, but your wife could use a shave.

Hahahaha. I had to be the model today

#14552 8 months ago
Quoted from Who-Dey:

Cait why do you think people are dumb for wanting their state opened back up so they can go back to work and not be homeless? Let me guess, you do not work and you have a husband that supports you right? People have to work, I dont care if theres a virus going around or not. You cannot shut down the whole damn world like this!

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Anyone holding a sign with the “WWG1WGA” tag on it, needs people to help protect their mental heath, not physical health.

I’ve read their book. It’s full of conspiracy and leaps of logic that don’t make sense. These are the people that believe the world is ran by a secret cabal of the 13 richest families on the planet. Who are all child molesters that use human trafficking to remain in power. They believe one government leader is talking to them directly by sending secret coded messages through the 8chan Website. That leader is the only person in 2000 years of history with enough power to take down the global elite, and these people holding signs are the frontline warriors. It’s so crazy their book has a chapter on how to make effective memes, that sign maker followed the rules well.

These are the people that think that Alex Jones is calm by comparison.

#14580 8 months ago
Quoted from Daditude:

My biggest fear during all this is that the world ends and all that's left is me and a bunch of people who repeatedly use the phrase "it is what it is."

I think it’s funny/ironic/sad that whenever anyone talks about after the end of the world it will include them. Me too. I always think I’m the guy that going to win the lottery and get to play mad max in the end times. Reality is I’ll probably be in the first 90% to die, and not be the 10% left.

#14604 8 months ago
Quoted from BillySastard:

Easy. People that usually go to the ER for headaches, tummy aches, hangovers and other bullshit are staying home rather than risking being exposed. Hospitals are spending HUGE amounts of money on PPE that they need, as do other hospitals, so they're getting charged alot more from the PPE providers. Also, hospitals are delaying procedures for some patients, so they're not making money there. Lastly, Covid patients cost more to treat then regular patients, so they're losing money there too.
So less ER patients, less procedures, means some hospitals need less nurses to cover. Furloughs.
My wife is an ER nurse and thankfully hasn't been furloughed, but there are nurses at her hospital who have been.

Reading this makes me sad, and glad for our healthcare system. The feasibility of saving lives shouldn’t even be a question. I’m not sure Of the intricacies of Canadian hospital billing, but profit is never brought up and I think the only Temporary layoffs were in research labs.

#14615 8 months ago
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#14660 8 months ago
Quoted from Who-Dey:

I'm not going to argue for hours on end and keep getting downvoted by all of these babies on here

Can you put a line In the sand for us, so that we’ll know when you’ll be on the team “Give a fuck”? You don’t want to argue for hours on end at 100000 dead, this is still a nothing burger for you, but when will it be enough dead for you to care? Cane we count on your support at 500000? How about a million if the total ever gets there?

I guess I’m asking where the goalpost Is for you, so that if we cross it, you’ll finally have to admit this is a problem. Is that 2 million dead? Dose it have to kill one of your parents to be real? How much death is enough for you to pull your head out of the sand?

I don’t care what your number is, but I’d like you to make a statement about when (if we get there) that this becomes real for you

Don’t take this as a personal attack, it’s an honest question, I’m curious. Personally I don’t think 6500 deaths in Canada is a lot yet that’s 0.02% of our population. USA is at 0.03% of your population. If Canada reaches 100000 that will be devastating to us. I feel I’m more concerned they you are even though my country is surviving this better for the time being.

#14695 8 months ago
Quoted from Who-Dey:

One person dead is too many

Great agreement totally and I like to dream to, but try to be realistic, globally were close to 350k. USA is 100k of that.

Quoted from Who-Dey:

I care about people dying but we cant drive ourselves into a economic collapse over this

100% with ya here. But I dont think the main focus should be on the bottom line.

Quoted from Who-Dey:

because then you will have anarchy in the streets and many more people dying from starvation, diseases and murder than what this virus is causing

currently.

"Many more" ok, covid is at 100k in 3 months. How bad are the starvation, disease and murder in your area? Maybe we should revitalize this point in another 3 months.

Quoted from Who-Dey:

You cant just shut the economy down because if there is no money people cant buy food and other basic needs. We have to work folks, what don’t you understand about that?

I agree you just cant shut down the economy, but only essential services should be running now. You have to do your best to help the weak and vulnerable in you society. Maybe a more socialist view is a solution you could use to look after peoples basic needs like food and shelter and health. The usa is trying to balance a balloon on a pin head and any wrong slip and it could pop.

Comple shutdown isn't an option. But open beaches shouldn't be either. When we get to the next round of lockdowns hopefully things will be done better.

Liquor stores are open but AA is closed. Crazy

#14697 8 months ago
Quoted from swampfire:

We’re approaching half a million “recovered

The more I see the recovered number go up the more I feel that we will be less reliant on a vaccine.

If one is developed, I wont be first in line. And if the recovered rate is high enough I probably wont get it. I also dont get the seasonal flu shot. So dont listen to me.

#14728 8 months ago
Quoted from Pinball_Gizzard:

I do sympathize with those who are out of work

Quoted from o-din:

Don't feel any sympathy for me, buddy.

I’m with you o-din. 2019 I took a financial hit, in Jan I sold my only pin GoT pre. To cover my personal debt before this crisis started. I was laid off mid March. So, even though I don’t have a pin at home right now. Don’t cry for me. My only debt is a very manageable mortgage. We have more then 3 months expenses in savings. My employment insurance will last until February and I virtually make the same on it as when I was working. I’m content sheltering I place for the foreseeable future.

#14739 8 months ago

Here’s a story from my local news. This lady is Is a nurse that started feeling sick in March. She can’t go back to work until she receives 2 negative tests in a row. 10 tests later and she’s still positive

https://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/cambridge-ont-woman-gets-10th-positive-covid-19-test-result-as-others-deal-with-long-bouts-1.4954072

Cambridge, Ont. woman gets 10th positive COVID-19 test result as others deal with long bouts
Tracy Schofield has tested positive for COVID-19 10 times since the end of March, but she’s not the only one who has been dealing with a long bout of the virus.

#14754 8 months ago

I never trust anyone that says “trust me”. Trust is something that you have to earn through time.

#14818 8 months ago

Some good/bad news just came out from all this.

A couple weeks ago I posted on here that the military was called in To help nursing homes with covid outbreaks. Well the military just delivered a report to the provincial government that these homes have horrific living conditions. Just about every negative thing you could imagine is happening from neglect to bugs. People will probably go to jail for the terrible conditions of these homes. It took a military report to open the eyes of the government to these atrocities. Poor living conditions in retirement homes have long been considered the norm. Hopefully thing will improve moving forward.

#14861 8 months ago
Quoted from Gott1978:

I see that pinsiders down vote the American Medical Association. I'm done with this forum -- all the best to those of you who stay.

I hope you read a couple more posts down in the thread, the one that says this was from march and presented as the most current information at the end of may. That's why the down votes were there, its outdated material.

#14895 8 months ago
Quoted from srmonte:

hurray for freedom!

Hurray for freedom

#14941 8 months ago
Quoted from hAbO:

Now I understand where all these posts stem from. Not wanting to wear a mask or a helmet...
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I wonder if he wears a helmet now after being "almost dead" from an accident and that he's learned a lesson.
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Two people are standing at the pearly gates looking back at their lives. The first, looks to the second and says "why do you always take the difficult path?" The second guy replies "Why do you assume a see another way"

#14944 8 months ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

go through 10 pairs of blue gloves a day.

A year from now people will look at these blue gloves like plastic straws. They're tossed in parking lots and littered all over the place.

Tim Hortons would run a Roll up the Rim contest in march, and sure enough every year you'd see the cups littered throughout the city more often. It's almost like people are so disappointed by a loosing cup they just toss it on the ground instead of putting it into recycling. This year they did it online and I didnt notice the increase in trash. Hopefully people will become more aware of their waste through this.

#14990 8 months ago

I somehow think we’re missing a comedic moment here....

Who’s on first?
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No. The Who’s on first.
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No,no,no. The W.H.O. Is on first
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#15002 7 months ago

I'm not a doctor. I dont know if this is disinformation or a useful piece of the puzzle

https://elemental.medium.com/coronavirus-may-be-a-blood-vessel-disease-which-explains-everything-2c4032481ab2

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