Quoted from wolfemaaan:
So we shut down the entire US over 200 deaths?
If we don't get our collective shit together now, there will be a lot less of you around in 6 months to bitch about it.
I am going to bookmark this thread for the next time I need an example of the Dunning-Kruger effect for someone.
My company has applied for a waiver from the PA governors office to keep operating, even though we make nothing remotely life sustaining. We are allowed to keep working past the deadline while our case is heard and a decision is made. Why? Money. Now mind you, the people who are pushing us to stay working are currently working from home, safe and sound. We should have shut down days ago. If we do shut down and someone gets sick from being here for the last week...well, so sorry...your health insurance runs out April 1st. Good luck! Sounds awesome.
Grocery stores here are giving $2/hr hazard pay. Not much, but it's a start. Amazon is paying double time for warehouse employees when they hit overtime, instead of time and a half. I also read USPS is going to be taking on a significant percentage of Amazon deliveries to help offset the surge in orders.
Quoted from Eightball88:
So where is Iceman these days?
Just got done looking back at some of his posts that have aged like milk. Like bragging about buying Apple stock at $256, while it trades at $229 today. He's probably not quite so arrogant today, which is why he disappeared.
Pennsylvania's business shutdown starts at 8AM. Over 10,000 businesses applied for waivers...but they won't release the approval/denial statistics. These 10k businesses were ones from the generic listing of business sectors that were already ordered to close. Many businesses are already saying they will violate the order and keep working. My company supposedly applied for a waiver, even though we do nothing life sustaining...and i'm at work now. So long as these businesses feel they are more important than the people they are affecting, the US is doomed at stopping this virus in a timely manner. If it is so safe to be at work with 200 other people, I find it odd that upper management isn't out on the plant floor disinfecting surfaces to help others see that we are not in harms way. Oh wait, they are working from the comfort and safety of their own homes.
Quoted from Who-Dey:
Reschedule that test RW, it's not worth the risk dude. I would absolutely not go the hospital right now unless you think its totally neccessary.
When I left work this morning there was a lot of traffic, everything seemed normal. It's going to be interesting to see how traffic is tomorrow morning when the lockdown is in place. As of right now I dont too many Ohioans giving a shit about this virus. The stores are packed and there is plenty of traffic.
I will say that in the evenings there is less traffic for sure. Other than that though Ohio seems to be operating full steam ahead. Bummer about the Reds because this is the best team they've had in many many years.
Just read the facebook pages of your politicians in the area. Ours have quite a few proclamations threatening to use the second amendment to keep their businesses running.
This is rather scary...surely this will not be allowed to happen:
"Trump Weighs Easing Stay-at-Home Advice to Curb Economic Rout"
Quoted from RWH:
C'mon Jody look at the source...……...they made clear long ago whom they would report on and whom not......sound like unbiased reporting to you.
The quoted tweet pretty much says it all...I don't care who reported it. You and I both know that at the end of the 15 days, things will be much worse...not better.
Quoted from swampfire:
All you have to do is look at the president’s Twitter timeline to know that that’s the plan. Look for the tweet in all caps, and the many retweets. I don’t think the feds can overrule a governor’s orders, and I don’t think the intent is to make people in NYC go back to work. It’s more concerning for states like mine where “things aren’t that bad yet”.
Incidentally, a few of those spring break kids in Florida have already tested positive, and others are probably dragging it back home to their deep south states that previously did not have a high number of exposures. I expect to see a big jump of cases in that region in the next 10 days as a result.
Quoted from RWH:
Levi have you served your country? Damn shame if you did that you would call someone who did a traitor. Maybe you'd be better off examining your own motives for a change.
For someone who has served our country, you certainly seem to forget some of what this country stands for. The first amendment is literally the pillar of our country, hence why it is at the top of the list. You are literally advocating turning our country into what you were fighting against in Vietnam.
Quoted from RTR:
It's not just young people. 1800 person church service yesterday in Louisiana. FFS.
200 people at a service outside Pittsburgh.
“could possibly be, disguised in everything else, a direct attack on the church.”
Quoted from toastbot:
People are going to talk about what they're experiencing, and most of us are from the U.S.. Feel free to share your experiences.
Honestly, we can learn a lot from folks in other countries that are farther along in the progression of the virus compared to the CONUS.
Not everything in the hardware store is life sustaining, but we can't let that get in the way of capturing as much business as possible while they have a captive market!!! WTF dude.
There are way too many exemptions of the list of people allowed to stay open. Big businesses are pushing their suppliers to stay open, and some have questionable motives. Once a big chain store like Ace is allowed to be open for necessities, they push every supplier of theirs to stay open, which pushes everyone down the chain open. The cardboard box manufacturer, the truck driver, the wood skid manufacturer, the packaging plastic manufacturer, the product label manufacturer, forklift repair, etc. So now pretty much everyone is open. I hardly saw any businesses closed yesterday on my way home from work. Even the lawnmower repair place was business as usual.
A friend of mine works in the oil/air filter biz, and the big fire truck manufacturers and everyone else you can think of that uses their oil and air filters sent out pretty much the same letter.
All we are doing is allowing this to blow up worse than it needs to be. Are there that many cities out there that will be at deaths door if their new Pierce fire truck is delivered 2-3 weeks later than estimated?
CDC says coronavirus survived in Princess Cruise ship cabins for up to 17 days after passengers left
Quoted from kstairmantis:
I can't help but wonder what the real death toll was in China.
This article is probably bogus and I know this website is . . . out there but i wonder. Another interesting article.
Someday we will know the truth. I wonder if the truth would help us make better decisions today. sigh . . .
The smoke from the crematories could be seen on satellite from space relatively early on. I don't believe the official number for a minute.
Quoted from wesman:
I knew Iger stepped down, definitely a year ahead of when he had been discussing that move. I just looked up IBM and Harley, they also stepped down.
Motives, who knows? But even this article in Bloomberg describes the Harley CEO as unexpected.
Harley's ship has been sinking for quite some time now...the beer virus had nothing to do with it. Their products lack quality, are horribly overpriced, and most people under 50 are not into that culture like they were 20 years ago. The brand is evolving into an expensive t-shirt shop, and I think the time has passed to slow the train to bankruptcy down.
Quoted from RWH:
You guys are pathetic....you come on here spout your drama class agendas all in the name of helping....yeah right you have no intentions other than being the assholes you're in real life.
As a Traitor for having given my sweat blood and tears to this country so you can set on your new lazy boys and spout HS, I wouldn't waste the powder to save your petty little lives. People are out their dying and all you can muster is ragging on those that differ from you in their opinions; but hell you didn't need me then and now that you can speak from a place of knowledge (I mean who doesn't know all they need to know after having survived a firefight in fortnite) No not for me,my experience in life goes far beyond that phone you have in your back pocket. I wouldn't waste the powder to save your lives or liberties you take for granted.
Sending a virtual hug your way, you sound like you could use one.
Quoted from Utesichiban:
Cuomo & Diblasio can lash out all they want but sadly there is a global shortage of ventilators everywhere. It isn't unique to the US.
As I've said before, maybe if they'd done the right thing and shut down NYC schools, restaurants, etc earlier when they should have (and Diblasio's advisors were begging him to), they could have slowed this down and bought time for ventilator production to catch up.
We need a state to state travel ban. New Yorkers are fleeing and coming to places like the Poconos in PA, where they will infect another area. Its going on all over the country, and i'm not trying to single out NY citizens alone here. But people need to stay the hell at home. Rural hospitals are even less equipped than city hospitals.
Sending people back to work is a really strange way of fixing Social Security for Gen Z.
FYI, due to the pandemic- Pornhub is now free everywhere in the world. Now that this information is out, I expect the posts on this thread to slow down quite a bit.
I hope this is added to the key post list
Looks like we will have this virus wrapped up around March 30th, if they go through with this:
Coronavirus is punishment from God, Pa. lawmaker suggests; calls for statewide day of atonement
“It’s painfully ironic that in her resolution Rep. Borowicz references Lincoln, who sought to unite a nation divided by the moral virus of slavery. It’s ironic because right now the Pennsylvania government is working to unify to combat this epidemic of the Coronavirus. Borowicz, using archaic language specific to her personal faith tradition, simply divides us by forcing her belief system on others.”
Quoted from PinJim:
No offense, but what's the basis of your statement?
So Outback should fail because of this?
Cedar Fair should fail?
Name your favorite hotel chain. They should fail?
Automakers should fold?
It could be an extensive list of companies. I think people assume that big companies are sitting on giant piles of cash. Many of them operate on razor thin margins. And what about all of their workers that will be unemployed - and nobody is hiring since a large percentage of companies folded?
I know it's not popular, but I understand why there is a push to re-open the economy. Say we don't re-open it. What did you accomplish? Saved lives? Ya think? The virus isn't going to magically disappear, no matter how long we socially distance. The only hope is wait for a cure or effective treatment. In the mean time, half the country is out of work. I'm all for trying to control it via distancing, but to remain shut down will have an immediate and long lasting impact.
I don't want to see a single person die. I have a lot of family members that most likely won't survive this. It sucks. I'm not sure that there's a good outcome, again, short of a vaccine or treatment within the next week (unlikely).
Maybe if these businesses would stop buying Starbucks on their way to work every day and keep a 6 month emergency fund, they wouldn't be in this situation? Many of these companies with their hands out spent billions buying stock back during the boom, and saved nothing. Why shouldn't we do to them what the rich people tell ordinary Americans to do when adversity hits? Seems pretty fair to me.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:
The bill also prohibits elected officials in the executive and legislative branches from dipping into the $500 billion to prop up their own failing businesses, including hotels and golf courses. This is huge.
The money will just have to go through an intermediary now. Career grifters will always figure out new ways to grift as the game changes.
They may be on to something....
We really need a big blizzard to shut the Northeast down for a couple weeks. We had about an inch of snow all winter.
Wegmans instacart delivery is nice. A Wegmans employee picks your order and the order is delivered to your home. If stores could find the staffing, this would be a better way to promote actual social distancing over just letting people shop as normal. I still think "essential" stores like Depot and Lowes should be on an appointment model, and only selling ESSENTIAL items right now. Or even do online pickup only. Paint is NOT an essential item, yet hordes of people are still crowded around the paint counter every day.
My favorite local gun shop is also a pharmacy. For customer safety, they are no longer doing face to face gun sales, and you have to know exactly what you want. You call and make an appointment. There is no handling firearms to try out. You call in for what you want, and they bring the paperwork out to your car. You finish the entire transaction outside the store, so pharmacy customers are not affected. They seem to be having no problems selling out of scheduled slots every day. It also helps that they seem to beat just about any online price out there.
I think we should tell the big companies getting bailouts that we will give them back no more than what they paid in taxes last year...sound good?
Quoted from Bublehead:
I was up late and posted this... some really amazingly good news... yet it just flys on past unnoticed in the underlying silent political posturing and arm waving that’s going on. That tells me all I needed to know about trying a political free for all thread on Pinside. It would just end up going in endless circles, spinning off a cyclone of vitriol and hyperbole in an all consuming maelstrom of twisted shit. Sign me up for that?!? No thank you. I would rather talk pinball and argue about that again... ah the days of wine and roses... not whine and bloody noses.
And the FDA is telling most of these people with in-home tests to destroy them. The average american doesn't have the fortitude to stick the swab in their nose far enough, so the the test will come back negative. Then the idiots will go throw parties and spread it worse. Let the professionals do the test.
Quoted from Atari_Daze:
Here is my city list taken from; https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2020/03/24/these-are-the-16-essential-business-sectors-that-will-remain-open-during-the-stay-home-work-safe-order/
Ready, take a deep breath, can you hold it for as long as it takes to read this:
Big box stores
Farmers’ markets that sell food products and household staples
Food cultivation including farming, ranching, fishing and livestock
Food production including the production of canned goods, bottled beverages and other grocery items
Businesses that ship or deliver groceries, food, goods or services directly to homes
Restaurants and other facilities that prepare and serve food, but only for deliver, drive-thru or carry out
Schools and other entities that typically provide free services to students or members of the public on a pick-up or take-away basis only
Restriction of delivery or carry-out does not apply to cafes or restaurants within hospitals or medical facilities
Laundromats, dry cleaners and laundry service providers
Gas stations, auto supply, auto and bicycle repair, hardware stores, and related facilities
Healthcare / Public Health
Workers providing COVID-19 testing; Workers that perform critical clinical research needed for COVID-19 response
Caregivers (e.g., physicians, dentists, psychologists, mid-level practitioners, nurses and assistants, infection control and quality assurance personnel, pharmacists, physical and occupational therapists and assistants, social workers, speech pathologists and diagnostic and therapeutic technicians and technologists)
Hospital and laboratory personnel (including accounting, administrative, admitting and discharge, engineering, epidemiological, source plasma and blood donation, food service, housekeeping, medical records, information technology and operational technology, nutritionists, sanitarians, respiratory therapists, etc.)
Workers in other medical facilities (including Ambulatory Health and Surgical, Blood Banks, Clinics, Community Mental Health, Comprehensive Outpatient rehabilitation, End Stage Renal Disease, Health Departments, Home Health care, Hospices, Hospitals, Long Term Care, Organ Pharmacies, Procurement Organizations, Psychiatric Residential, Rural Health Clinics and Federally Qualified Health Centers)
Manufacturers, technicians, logistics and warehouse operators, and distributors of medical equipment, personal protective equipment (PPE), medical gases, pharmaceuticals, blood and blood products, vaccines, testing materials, laboratory supplies, cleaning, sanitizing, disinfecting or sterilization supplies, and tissue and paper towel products
Public health / community health workers, including those who compile, model, analyze and communicate public health information
Blood and plasma donors and the employees of the organizations that operate and manage related activities
Workers that manage health plans, billing, and health information, who cannot practically work remotely
Workers who conduct community-based public health functions, conducting epidemiologic surveillance, compiling, analyzing and communicating public health information, who cannot practically work remotely
Workers performing cybersecurity functions at healthcare and public health facilities, who cannot practically work remotely
Workers conducting research critical to COVID-19 response
Workers performing security, incident management, and emergency operations functions at or on behalf of healthcare entities including healthcare coalitions, who cannot practically work remotely
Workers who support food, shelter, and social services, and other necessities of life for economically disadvantaged or otherwise needy individuals, such as those residing in shelters
Pharmacy employees necessary for filling prescriptions
Workers performing mortuary services, including funeral homes, crematoriums, and cemetery workers
Workers who coordinate with other organizations to ensure the proper recovery, handling, identification, transportation, tracking, storage, and disposal of human remains and personal effects; certify cause of death; and facilitate access to mental/behavioral health services to the family members, responders, and survivors of an incident
Law Enforcement / Public Safety / First Responders
Personnel in emergency management, law enforcement, Emergency Management Systems, fire, and corrections, including front line and management
Emergency Medical Technicians
911 call center employees
Fusion Center employees
Hazardous material responders from government and the private sector.
Workers – including contracted vendors -- who maintain, manufacture, or supply digital systems infrastructure supporting law enforcement emergency service, and response operations.
Workers who maintain, ensure, or restore, or are involved in the development, transportation, fuel procurement, expansion, or operation of the generation, transmission, and distribution of electric power, including call centers, utility workers, reliability engineers and fleet maintenance technicians
Workers needed for safe and secure operations at nuclear generation
Workers at generation, transmission and electric blackstart facilities
Workers at Reliability Coordinator (RC), Balancing Authorities (BA), and primary and backup Control Centers (CC), including but not limited to independent system operators, regional transmission organizations, and balancing authorities
Mutual assistance personnel
IT and OT technology staff – for EMS (Energy Management Systems) and Supervisory Control and Data Acquisition (SCADA) systems, and utility data centers; Cybersecurity engineers; cybersecurity risk management
Vegetation management crews and traffic workers who support
Environmental remediation/monitoring technicians
Instrumentation, protection, and control technicians
Petroleum product storage, pipeline, marine transport, terminals, rail transport, road transport
Crude oil storage facilities, pipeline, and marine transport
Petroleum refinery facilities
Petroleum security operations center employees and workers who support emergency response services
Petroleum operations control rooms/centers
Petroleum drilling, extraction, production, processing, refining, terminal operations, transporting, and retail for use as end-use fuels or feedstocks for chemical manufacturing
Onshore and offshore operations for maintenance and emergency response
Retail fuel centers such as gas stations and truck stops, and the distribution systems that support them
Natural and propane gas workers:
Natural gas transmission and distribution pipelines, including compressor stations
Underground storage of natural gas
Natural gas processing plants, and those that deal with natural gas liquids
Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG) facilities
Natural gas security operations center, natural gas operations dispatch and control rooms/centers natural gas emergency response and customer emergencies, including natural gas leak calls
Drilling, production, processing, refining, and transporting natural gas for use as end-use fuels, feedstocks for chemical manufacturing, or use in electricity generation
Propane gas dispatch and control rooms and emergency response and customer emergencies, including propane leak calls
Propane gas service maintenance and restoration, including call centers
Processing, refining, and transporting natural liquids, including propane gas, for use as end-use fuels or feedstocks for chemical manufacturing
Propane gas storage, transmission, and distribution centers
Water and Wastewater
Operational staff at water authorities
Operational staff at community water systems
Operational staff at wastewater treatment facilities
Workers repairing water and wastewater conveyances and performing required sampling or monitoring
Operational staff for water distribution and testing
Operational staff at wastewater collection facilities
Operational staff and technical support for SCADA Control systems
Chemical suppliers for wastewater and personnel protection
Workers that maintain digital systems infrastructure supporting water and wastewater operations
Transportation and Logistics
Employees supporting or enabling transportation functions, including truck drivers, bus drivers, dispatchers, maintenance and repair technicians, warehouse workers, truck stop and rest area workers, and workers that maintain and inspect infrastructure (including those that require cross-jurisdiction travel)
Employees of firms providing services that enable logistics operations, including cooling, storing, packaging, and distributing products for wholesale or retail sale or use.
Mass transit workers
Workers responsible for operating dispatching passenger, commuter and freight trains and maintaining rail infrastructure and equipment
Maritime transportation workers - port workers, mariners, equipment operators
Truck drivers who haul hazardous and waste materials to support critical infrastructure, capabilities, functions, and services
Automotive repair and maintenance facilities
Manufacturers and distributors (to include service centers and related operations) of packaging materials, pallets, crates, containers, and other supplies needed to support manufacturing, packaging staging and distribution operations
Postal and shipping workers, to include private companies
Employees who repair and maintain vehicles, aircraft, rail equipment, marine vessels, and the equipment and infrastructure that enables operations that encompass movement of cargo and passengers
Air transportation employees, including air traffic controllers and maintenance personnel, ramp workers, aviation and aerospace safety, security, and operations personnel and accident investigations
Workers who support the maintenance and operation of cargo by air transportation, including flight crews, maintenance, airport operations, and other on- and off- airport facilities workers
Workers who support the operation, inspection, and maintenance of essential dams, locks and levees
Workers who support the operation, inspection, and maintenance of essential public works facilities and operations, including bridges, water and sewer main breaks, fleet maintenance personnel, construction of critical or strategic infrastructure, traffic signal maintenance, emergency location services for buried utilities, maintenance of digital systems infrastructure supporting public works operations, and other emergent issues
Workers such as plumbers, electricians, exterminators, and other service providers who provide services that are necessary to maintaining the safety, sanitation, and essential operation of residences
Support, such as road and line clearing, to ensure the availability of needed facilities, transportation, energy and communications
Support to ensure the effective removal, storage, and disposal of residential and commercial solid waste and hazardous waste
Communications and Information Technology
Maintenance of communications infrastructure- including privately owned and maintained communication systems- supported by technicians, operators, call-centers, wireline and wireless providers, cable service providers, satellite operations, undersea cable landing stations (including cable marine depots and submarine cable ship operators), Internet Exchange Points, and manufacturers and distributors of communications equipment
Workers who support radio, television, and media service, including, but not limited to front line news reporters, studio, and technicians for newsgathering and reporting
Workers at Independent System Operators and Regional Transmission Organizations, and Network Operations staff, engineers and/or technicians to manage the network or operate facilities
Engineers, technicians and associated personnel responsible for infrastructure construction and restoration, including contractors for construction and engineering of fiber optic cables
Installation, maintenance and repair technicians that establish, support or repair service as needed
Central office personnel to maintain and operate central office, data centers, and other network office facilities
Customer service and support staff, including managed and professional services as well as remote providers of support to transitioning employees to set up and maintain home offices, who interface with customers to manage or support service environments and security issues, including payroll, billing, fraud, and troubleshooting
Dispatchers involved with service repair and restoration
Workers who support command centers, including, but not limited to Network Operations Command Center, Broadcast Operations Control Center and Security Operations Command Center
Data center operators, including system administrators, HVAC & electrical engineers, security personnel, IT managers, data transfer solutions engineers, software and hardware engineers, and database administrators
Client service centers, field engineers, and other technicians supporting critical infrastructure, as well as manufacturers and supply chain vendors that provide hardware and software, and information technology equipment (to include microelectronics and semiconductors) for critical infrastructure
Workers responding to cyber incidents involving critical infrastructure, including medical facilities, SLTT governments and federal facilities, energy and utilities, and banks and financial institutions, and other critical infrastructure categories and personnel
Workers supporting the provision of essential global, national and local infrastructure for computing services (incl. cloud computing services), business infrastructure, web-based services, and critical manufacturing
Workers supporting communications systems and information technology used by law enforcement, public safety, medical, energy and other critical industries
Support required for continuity of services, including janitorial/cleaning personnel
Other community-based government operations and essential functions
Workers to ensure continuity of building functions
Security staff to maintain building access control and physical security measures
Federal, State, and Local, Tribal, and Territorial employees who support Mission Essential Functions and communications networks
Trade Officials (FTA negotiators; international data flow administrators)
Workers that maintain digital systems infrastructure supporting other critical government operations
Workers at operations centers necessary to maintain other essential functions
Workers who support necessary credentialing, vetting and licensing operations for transportation workers
Customs workers who are critical to facilitating trade in support of the national emergency response supply chain
Educators supporting public and private K-12 schools, colleges, and universities for purposes of facilitating distance learning or performing other essential functions, if operating under rules for social distancing
Hotel Workers where hotels are used for COVID-19 mitigation and containment measures
Workers necessary for the manufacturing of materials and products needed for medical supply chains, and for supply chains associated with transportation, energy, communications, food and agriculture, chemical manufacturing, nuclear facilities, the operation of dams, water and wastewater treatment, emergency services, and the defense industrial base. Additionally, workers needed to maintain the continuity of these manufacturing functions and associated supply chains.
Workers at nuclear facilities, workers managing medical waste, workers managing waste from pharmaceuticals and medical material production, and workers at laboratories processing test kits
Workers who support hazardous materials response and cleanup
Workers who maintain digital systems infrastructure supporting hazardous materials management operations
Workers who are needed to process and maintain systems for processing financial transactions and services (e.g., payment, clearing, and settlement; wholesale funding; insurance services; and capital markets activities)
Workers who are needed to provide consumer access to banking and lending services, including ATMs, and to move currency and payments (e.g., armored cash carriers)
Workers who support financial operations, such as those staffing data and security operations centers
Workers supporting the chemical and industrial gas supply chains, including workers at chemical manufacturing plants, workers in laboratories, workers at distribution facilities, workers who transport basic raw chemical materials to the producers of industrial and consumer goods, including hand sanitizers, food and food additives, pharmaceuticals, textiles, and paper products.
Workers supporting the safe transportation of chemicals, including those supporting tank truck cleaning facilities and workers who manufacture packaging items
Workers supporting the production of protective cleaning and medical solutions, personal protective equipment, and packaging that prevents the contamination of food, water, medicine, among others essential products
Workers supporting the operation and maintenance of facilities (particularly those with high risk chemicals and/or sites that cannot be shut down) whose work cannot be done remotely and requires the presence of highly trained personnel to ensure safe operations, including plant contract workers who provide inspections
Workers who support the production and transportation of chlorine and alkali manufacturing, single-use plastics, and packaging that prevents the contamination or supports the continued manufacture of food, water, medicine, and other essential products, including glass container manufacturing
Defense Industrial Base
Workers who support the essential services required to meet national security commitments to the federal government and U.S. Military. These individuals, include but are not limited to, aerospace; mechanical and software engineers, manufacturing/production workers; IT support; security staff; security personnel; intelligence support, aircraft and weapon system mechanics and maintainers
Personnel working for companies, and their subcontractors, who perform under contract to the Department of Defense providing materials and services to the Department of Defense, and government-owned/contractor-operated and government-owned/government-operated facilities
These definitions will be thoroughly manipulated to allow just about everyone who makes something for a living to keep working. My state is only allowing life sustaining businesses to be open, and they processed 15,000 waivers for people outside the actual list like yours. Pretty much everyone but bars, restaurants and gyms are still open. Its disgusting.
Considering we still have an active crowd of mommy groups and other self-proclaimed experts on pages like Nextdoor proclaiming auto accidents and the flu kill way more, we are still doomed.
Average of 100 per day for auto accidents in the US.
167 a day on average for the flu.
200+ deaths a day right now from COVID-19.
We can put that one to bed now.
Quoted from ForceFlow:
-Taking over convention centers, college campuses, and other facilities to increase hospital capacity for each of the boroughs in NYC.
-Ventilator splitting approved (two patients on one ventilator)
-Converting ~2,000 anesthesia machines into ventilators
-Immediate PPE needs for NYC hospitals are met
-Under normal conditions, hospital patients on average need ventilators for 3-4 days. Covid patients on average need a ventilator for 11-21 days.
-Initiating a plan to move downstate patients to upstate hospitals
-Estimated loss of state revenue is $10-$15 billion (a "double whammy" between the high costs of combating covid, and the loss of revenue from closed businesses). Received $5 billon from stimulus bill marked for covid expenses only.
-State budget due 4/1. Too many unknowns to project an accurate budget. Will evaluate quarterly if enough revenue comes in to actually fund the budget.
-12,000+ medical staff have volunteered for service
-2,400+ mental health professionals volunteered their services
-This situation is not a sprint, it's a marathon
Really impressed with his press conferences. Any chance you guys would be willing to swap him out with Biden? No givebacks...
The Easter Peeps were made a while ago, and there will be no shortage. Just like Reese's is making Halloween candy in a month or so if they aren't already.
You think dogs are hard to train... Look at all the humans who can't sit and stay.
Quoted from zr11990:
What is worse is what they are doing to the economy. It’s a upper respiratory virus. It’s death rate is what, 1.5%? More people die from the flue every year. More people die from obesity and/or car accidents. Watch how many people die from the fucked up economy due to blowing this out of proportion.
False False False
In 2019, the NSC estimates 38,800 people lost their lives to car crashes. 107 per day.
The CDC lists flu deaths at 34,200 for the 2018-2019 flu season, so 94 a day (not flue )
268 people died from COVID-19 in the US yesterday. And the curve is accelerating.
Stop spreading false narratives and wake up!!
Quoted from Oaken:
No more car based ventilators. Apparently they cost too much and we need to protect the pocketbook.
Quoted from No_Skill:
That's what many don't get. This is literally a math problem. Remember those word problems in algebra that everyone hated so much? This is the practical application of that.
And you don't even have to be good at it on your own. Math weenies have literally created internet calculators for every equation you can think of. Boy, my 6th grade math teacher would be pissed if she knew what we know now! "What happens if you don't have a calculator?!? Show your work!!"
Quoted from Trogdor:
So at what magic number of deaths per day do we go back to work then? Easter is a dream so scared people have some light. This virus will still be raging and everyone will have to go back to work. Or is it only fair that grocery, factory, amazon warehouse, and healthcare workers risk their families lives?
That is a question for the guys who make the big bucks. Cuomo was discussing this yesterday that at some point they may have to blend who can work and who must stay home based on risk categorizations. He mentioned young people going back first, which I do not agree with them necessarily being less at risk. I think it is really too early to know right now. But until the curve flattens, I am not sure we have an option. So get people to stay home and stop mingling if you want to get back to work sooner is the only advice I have.
This one aged like milk:
“I’m shaking hands continuously. I was at a hospital the other night where I think there were actually a few coronavirus patients and I shook hands with everybody, you’ll be pleased to know. I continue to shake hands." - Boris Johnson, 3rd March
Brother in law is being tested after working on the Covid floor of our local Hospital on Tuesday and showing symptoms on Saturday. Not fun times
From what I understand, the hospital ships are taking in non-COVID patients so the hospitals have more room to deal with COVID patients.
Quoted from Who-Dey:
The big CEO’s are doing it also. My company definitely don’t care about their workers. Im grateful to still have a job during all of this but man i really wish that i could stay at home and be safe also.
The CEO's are all sending the the sheep to the wolves while working from the comfort and safety of their homes.
Community spread has been discussed since very early on. But a lot of people didn't understand it and didn't take it seriously. I personally feel that is how NY got as bad as it did...subways and other forms of mass transit. I keep seeing these running groups on Facebook posting how they "only had 6-7 people" on their group run and they kept 6' apart. The weather has been breezy here, and 6' is not enough room. Go solo or stay home!
For the "Just the flu" people....here is where we are headed if the curve does not start flattening in the next 12 days (Easter).
Feel free to check my math...
67,000 US deaths by Easter.
I find it HIGHLY ironic that the US mints latest special quarter has a bat on it...
A guy running for office here in PA has a Facebook page called "May for PA". He sits downtown in Scranton every day and films the Greyhound buses continuing to drop off NYC residents in Scranton. You can't buy a one way ticket from Scranton to NY, or a round trip from Scranton-NYC-Scranton. But you CAN buy a one way ticket from NYC to Scranton. Two Greyhound employees have already died from the virus. Greyhound stopped the daily trips for a day after pressure, but reversed course and started back up again this week. They are literally helping the problem spread to other areas. In my opinion, we haven't seen anything yet as far as deaths go. Unless the curve starts to flatten, we are on track for 65k-70k total deaths in the next 11 days.
Quoted from Murphdom:
I just tried to do this out of curiosity and it let me get to checkout. So you can book these trips unless it stops you when you try to pay.
I think he was going in the actual terminal to inquire...but I could be wrong. Also, Greyhound seems to be changing their policies by the day.
This shutdown is bad for everyone. But it is especially bad for men...Men are losing $1.00 for every $.79 that women are losing!
(Please read this as tongue in cheek, folks!)
Quest has a 160,000 test backlog right now. Given that roughly 20% of the tests have been coming back positive, there is another 32k probable positives we don't even know about yet. And that is just one lab.
Correction, the article says 35%, so 56k presumed positives. My state next door seems to be around 20%.
Ran some numbers this morning on a per capita basis to show where we are at compared to some other places in the world, since total numbers per country are a bit deceiving. Is Westchester County so much worse due to the amount of time commuting in to NYC on mass transit? I am sure in a few years, we will be studying this phenomenon more closely.
New York City- 1:181
Westchester County, NY- 1:92
Quoted from DakotaMike:
In South Dakota, we have one of the lowest case-counts in the country-with 129 confirmed, and 2 deaths. In spite of a lack of a "shelter-in-place" order, all bars and restaurants are closed except for carry-out, all churches have moved to online services and have done so for 3 weeks or more, same with our schools. My daughter's school has been closed since early March, even though at the time of closure there wasn't a single case of covid anywhere within the entire school district (now there's been 1). Most everyone seems to be cautious when going out and keeping a lot of distance at stores and post offices. They have plexi-glass barriers and disposable gloves at the checkout of our small-town grocery store. And a lot of people are working from home. I know I personally use hand sanitizer before and after entering any store or business, and I'm probably not alone. So we're doing about as much as we can here, short of a police-enforced shelter-in-place order.
Hopefully it all pays off, because it's a heck of a life-disruption. Unlike at the coasts, I think we actually started coronavirus-mitigation measures early enough to make a difference. Our distance from the coastal population centers bought us a lot of time to hem and haw. In fact, at least 20+ cases are from a doctor who flew back from Seattle and brought the virus with him. Without that one guy, we'd have the lowest number of cases of any state. But I guess every state probably has a "that guy."
This is good to hear. I do not personally know any North or South Dakota residents myself. Do you feel your area is more predisposed to preparedness and self sufficiency in general? Do you feel people tend to live a bit differently when then overall population density is so low, and good hospitals may be very far away? Your state has about 11 people per square mile, where mine is about 280 per square mile.
UPMC doctors say they have created a COVID-19 vaccine that has successfully vaccinated mice. Mice successfully developed antibodies after 2 weeks.
EDIT: Much better article here:
Quoted from arcademojo:
"Health experts from the National Academy of Sciences reportedly told the White House on Wednesday that limited research shows aerosolized droplets produced by talking or simply breathing may spread the novel coronavirus."
This has been known for months. I guess they are really going to be shocked to learn that the virus can hang in the air for a couple hours, and there is this term that links it all together called "community spread". Yet another bullet point for the postmortem analysis they do on the federal response in the coming months.
Kentucky is now requiring house arrest ankle monitors to be applied to COVID-19 positive people who refuse to stay home. This is actually some pretty forward thinking!
Quoted from Jaybird815:
My sister in law had her pay cut by 20%, crazy.
We got a memo from the CEO on the 26th saying we are having the biggest quarter we have had in many years. On the 30th, we got a memo that same CEO saying they are suspending 401k match. Never let a good crisis go without cutting some kind of benefit!
Quoted from PinJim:
Could beat the alternative.
I get the feeling that some of my team members would prefer to be laid off or furloughed. Some seem to think the US should just shut down, like they are entitled to some sort of break due to this crap. Ugh, it's so short sighted. I'd take a pay cut over a work stoppage. At least I *think* my company would make it right when things improve.
I'd rather be home than have to come to work with a bunch of plague rats and potentially catch something that can kill me. Call me selfish/lazy, but I need to look out for myself. The CEO's that get to work from home right now certainly are not looking out for me.
Quoted from cait001:
I can't even begin to understand what I'm watching. How did that happen? How is it even possible that that just happened? Has this man been in a coma recently?
Because....Georgia. Just like how the governor of Florida exempted religious gatherings from the stay at home order...so I guess 1000 person church services are a go. Some of the people participating may even get to meet god by Easter!
Quoted from cait001:
I'm genuinely stunned.
Also, the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) is located less that 30 minutes from the Georgia state house. He was also told to provide voting records from the 2016 election due to his close margin of victory and reported Russian interference. He destroyed the records instead.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:
Yes that would be nice.
I'd also like a pony!
So we got any Floridians here? Have you tried to file for unemployment?
Apparently it's a huge disaster. The system down there was designed on purpose to make it harder to access UI to save businesses money, as well as reduce the number of people on UI so the numbers "look better" for the people running the state. Now, with the unprecedented demand, it's a "shit show."
Hope they can clear this up.
And max Florida unemployment is like $275 a week. That is pretty pathetic.
Quoted from TigerLaw:
I agree. Here is another thought though, what really happens if the cruise lines go bankrupt anyway? It's not like those large floating capital assets suddenly vanish or turn to dust...they will just be sold to another business and go right back out to sea at the first opportunity...employing the same number of ship hands as they were before...
If the industry is permanently damaged due to people not wanting to go on cruises for health reasons that's an entirely different issue (that a bailout is also not going to address) but what jobs are we really protecting with a cruise industry bail out since the capital assets will just be put right back into use by a new entity anyway?
The coast guard already started rejecting cruise lines calls for sick passenger removal. Cruise companies who are not US flagged and do not have their headquarters in the US were told to contact the country they are flagged in for help (usually Bahamas) or contract a private rescue company. Its ridiculous that they are able to dodge taxes like they do, but still demand US aid like they are owed it. They even try to minimize their docking time on US soil, because many ports are charging huge docking fees in some cases by the hour just to get some kind of money out of the cruise line. Miami charges $80k/day for the Harmony of the Seas to dock there.
Quoted from BillySastard:
I have to go through a month of training there where there will be 3 or 4 guys in a locomotive cab. I can either work, quit, or take a leave of absence. Guess I'm taking the LOA and eating ketchup sandwiches for a while.
4 guys in a cab? Do you live in 1986? Around here, its two guys- even for switching jobs. They would make it 1 if the FRA allowed them to.
Quoted from Zablon:
As long as the numbers are starting to slow, hopefully that means what we are doing is actually having an impact.
Don't forget....hitting the peak doesn't mean it is over. You still need to ride the wave back down again. And if everyone decides its over as soon as totals start to trend down, we will start to rocket up again in another 7-14 days.
Quoted from arcademojo:
Employee at Harrisburg-area Sheetz tests positive for COVID-19
This is why you don't let your guard down. I stop at this store just about every other day on my way to work. It's never busy at 5:30 am so never suited up with mask and gloves. Doesn't say if the employee worked register or not. Or what shifts they worked. This is also the third Sheetz in central Pa to have an employee test positive.
I quit going to convenience stores over a month ago...its just not worth it. The touch screens have to be disgusting, no matter how often they wipe them. With Sheetz's unofficial motto of "Sorry about your wait", I am sure there are still gaggles of people waiting for their food orders. Have not even had to get gas in over a month, since I live 2 miles from where I work. Kinda cool in that respect, at least.
Also, one of the first 3 cases of COVID-19 in my county was a Wendy's worker. They died last week.
Quoted from twoplays25c:
It's a bonus day for being stupid here in PA.
The PA Fish Commission kicked off opening day earlier this year.
This was the scene in the small area near Boiling Springs.
(Forget the Governor's stay-at-home order - who needs it with this sort of social distancing??).
"I caught a trout today ... and a ventilator next week."
Your local ER awaits you, you knuckleheads.
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I just looked into this...and it looks like the Carlisle Sun Sentinel got lazy and intermingled previous years photos in with their story. Note the photos at the end of the story all reference the opener photos being taken on "Saturday". They did nothing to differentiate previous years photos from this years photos...kinda lazy of them. https://cumberlink.com/news/local/in-surprise-move-pennsylvania-fish-and-boat-commission-opens-trout-season-today-across-the-state/article_e1d78b3e-0f34-526d-85f0-4d6ae2b17033.html
Quoted from arcademojo:
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Remember all the conspiracy theorists a couple years ago railing against the power company putting the new wifi enabled electric meters in every home all over the state? That story seems to have died off now. At the time, some conspiracy folks were ready to leave the country over it.
We still have a couple arrogant clowns at work who are mocking people for wearing masks. We have literally had 30% spikes in deaths over the last two reporting days, yet they still have this mentality that it is all a joke and anyone who wears a mask is overreacting.
Quoted from Pinball_Gizzard:
Gas here is $1.22 a gallon. I’m at 1/8 tank so I’ll be filling up after work. Will we see sub $1 gas soon?
We finally had a local station come down to $1.99...thanks to our 50-state leading $.77 a gallon gas tax that is supposed to go to roads, but usually funnels itself to the State Police instead.
Quoted from Mizzou0103:
I think it’s because all the news has slowed. We’re reaching the point where the social distancing has flattened the curve. /
I'm not so sure we have flattened the curve yet. We are still seeing 25%-30% exponential growth in deaths in my county day over day right now.
In fact, the official State of PA web site tally has us at 16, but the local newspaper is reporting we are up to 29 now. The virus is starting to take hold in many of the local retirement homes, which is most likely going to get a lot worse until they get a handle on it.
Quoted from Colsond3:
Took a break to get some work done, shop a few of my games, get some things done around the house, ponder life.
I couldn't fathom reading the 100+ pages since I was last on, but glad to see everybody still hotdoggin.
Someone in China ate a bat and then 10% of the US was laid off. There, you're caught up!
Quoted from goingincirclez:
This article raises some chilling points I hadn't really considered until now.
How soon do you think the pre-Covid "connected world" of unfettered globetrotting will return once this is over? When will it *actually* be over? Half the globe might remain an untested, untreated hotspot even by the time a vaccine trial shows promise in privileged countries. The potential implications are hard to fathom right now.
In my opinion, I think we are going to see social distancing practices continue most places in the world in some form until a vaccine has been released. Even if someone is tested today, they could have contact with someone or something already infected tomorrow and wind up incubating the virus. People will go back to work before then, but measures are going to be taken to limit employees contact with each other and the public until we have a handle on a reliable vaccine.
Quoted from cait001:
I think the moral of the story is to ignore people trying to get all Trutherism with the data and we can hash out the specific numbers AFTER we've all survived a global pandemic
Exactly. My county is listed at 14 deaths on the Hopkins tracker site, 17 on the the official state website that is updated at noon ET daily, and the county coroner says we are at 31 as of this morning. Huge difference there...I can imagine we are not the only place seeing this kind of disparity.
A meat packing plant in Hazleton, PA has 130 cases now.
Some businesses are life sustaining AND nearly impossible to social distance in. How do you stop the spread of the virus while not having major food chain disruptions?
Enjoying Easter by making some ramps...I've been social distancing by making ramps for Pinsiders way before the term was mainstream!
Quoted from CanadianGamer:
We’re supporting local business here too. Just bought some board and card games from the local game store which is closed, but they delivered the games to our house the next day. We need stuff we all enjoy doing as a family to keep the sanity, and sometimes it’s a good outlet to beat the crap out of each other in a civilized manner. I can’t seem to get the girls into pinball but they like board games.
Just picked up Ticket to Ride, and playing the crap out of Settlers of Catan, both great games and highly recommend.[quoted image][quoted image]
Both of those are great games...and when you get bored, they have other versions available which have different rule twists for each.
Apologies if this was already posted...I have been otherwise occupied for a couple days.
Hopkins has some nice new information available on their site. You can now go to a US-only map, then click on the counties you want to look at. Once you select a county, then you can click on a detailed report. Has mortality rates broken down by age, percentages of affected folks with insurance, etc. Really interesting info.
Click on the US map tab in the top middle.
Click on the county you want to see.
Then click on the infographic on the popup.
You can also hover the mouse over the various data points to see more info.
Quoted from rkahr:
Thanks, jodyg . While the tracking sites continue to improve with some incredible work, I have a feature I'd like add to their backlog: I'd like to see reports by boundaries I select. For example, here in the DC area I'd like to click multiple counties spanning MD, VA plus the district to compile a regional report that matters to me. Or, I'd like to draw a circle around an area encompassing Allentown to Rhode Island, North into Western MA and South including Jersey (and maybe as far as Baltimore) to better understand the supercell surrounding NYC. I haven't bought a home in a long time but I think some real estate sites offer such functionality for searches. Many local TV stations nationwide refer to a "tri-state" or "four county metro" area - such a feature would let us align reporting to the geographies we relate.
I know this isn't the place to ask, but figured I would share the dream anyway.
-visit http://www.kahr.us to get my daughterboard that helps fix WPC pinball resets or my replacement LED Display Boards for model H & model S Skee Ball
This would definitely be an awesome idea. I wish there were some better accuracy on the numbers. Hopkins says we have 24 deaths in my area, while the county coroner says we have 50. Apparently, they only count the death by what your county of residence is on your drivers license. If you go by the actual death total, our mortality rate is over 6%. I surmise our area is skewed because we are turning into the retirement home capital of the NY/NJ/PA area. The news says nearly all of our deaths are in people over 60. They are building these retirement homes everywhere here, and the the virus us running rampant in a few of them. I can only assume that some of these cases are from folks who recently moved here and have not updated their official info.
Pennsylvania has a very distinct Soda/Pop line. Typically, east of the Appalachian mountain chain is soda, and pop to the west.
Now that we have brought that to light, can we also discuss this:
Quoted from Luckydogg420:
One plus with everyone wearing masks is that facial recognition software will have a tougher time tracking you.
I started wearing these when I walk in to Lowes or Home Depot. All of them in my area have big screens with facial recognition cameras linked to you at the front doors. When it zeros in on your face, a green box shows up around your head on the screen. They were sued and removed them for a time period, but they are back again. My nearest Lowes doesn't have them at the Pro entrance though, so I try to go that way now.
Quoted from arcademojo:
I’m a department lead so have to stand and watch my guys wash their hands. I’ll make sure they are all singing the black knight song.
Hourly handwashes are part of Wolf's mandate...came out with the mask mandate. Although, it sounds like it doesn't officially take effect until 8PM Sunday.
I went to a local Giant grocery store yesterday...I have not been grocery shopping for over a month. They put arrows on the floor to minimize people passing each other and are keeping count of who enters/exits. One lady was not wearing a mask, had a wet cough and was purposely not following the traffic flow. She coughed a bunch near food to make us think she was possibly doing it on purpose. My wife let an employee know, who then went to a manager. The manager didn't do shit...and said he wasn't going to sanitize any of the products in the area she coughed. He said he couldn't even make her wear a mask, since our mandate doesnt go into effect until 8PM Sunday. I really feel bad for these people working in stores right now. The one lady in the bakery has been there a good 15 years and said she's probably going to quit this week.
Copied and pasted:
“Welcome to the Freedom Cafe!
We trust you to make your own choices if you want to wear a face mask. And, in the same spirit of individual liberty, we allow our staff to make their own choices about the safety procedures they prefer to follow as they prepare and serve your food.
We encourage employees to wash their hands after using the bathroom, but understand that some people may be allergic to certain soaps or may simply prefer not to wash their hands. It is not our place to tell them what to do.
We understand that you may be used to chicken that has been cooked to 165 degrees. We do have to respect that some of our cooks may have seen a meme or a YouTube video saying that 100 degrees is sufficient, and we do not want to encroach on their beliefs.
Some of our cooks may prefer to use the same utensils for multiple ingredients, including ingredients some customers are allergic to. That is a cook’s right to do so.
Some servers may wish to touch your food as they serve it. There is no reason that a healthy person with clean hands can’t touch your food. We will take their word for it that they are healthy and clean.
Water temperature and detergent are highly personal choices, and we allow our dishwashing team to decide how they’d prefer to wash the silverware you will put in your mouth.
Some of you may get sick, but almost everyone survives food poisoning. We think you’ll agree that it’s a small price to pay for the sweet freedom of no one ever being told what to do - and especially not for the silly reason of keeping strangers healthy.”
50 year old friend of mine got it. He rode bike every day and was in excellent shape. Wound up in the hospital for a week and now needs an inhaler to walk 30 feet to his mailbox. Honestly, I don't give as much of a crap about the 0.6 death rate. I DO care about contracting this disease and having the rest of my life severely altered due to unforseen complications.
I am not sure what this means for other states, as it has not been in the news nationally. A federal judge struck down PA's stay at home order and gathering limits as unconstitutional. It sounds to me that the limits on gathering size cannot be enforced any longer. This is a shame, because we, as a state, seem to have been doing pretty well for a while. But the legislature is about to overrule the governors veto on a bill allowing high school sports to allow any number of fans the school deems appropriate.
"In his 66-page ruling, Stickman found the governor’s orders, though “well-intentioned” to protect Pennsylvanians from the coronavirus, violated the First Amendment, and the Equal Protection Clause and Due Process Clauses of the Fourteenth Amendment."
Incidentally, my place of employment has about 225 people across 3 shifts. We did not shut down or alter our business in any way other than temperature checks and mandatory mask usage. Zero covid cases the entire time until last week. We have 3 positive cases in the last week now...and we still can't get some of the ignorant pricks to wear their masks while working. Discipline appears to not be an option because we cannot get enough manpower as it is, and we don't want to make the ones here mad. Go figure. One manager wants employees who feel sick to go get tested, but come back to work until their test comes back. I can't even make this stuff up.
Quoted from Luckydogg420:
I just read the good news. The pandemic has ended in the states.
That explains the lack of masks and social distancing at the new brewery opening down the street from Levi's buddy's Gameseum place.
The middle of my state is such a cesspool.
Big surge in my state going on this week. Its almost as if some big party holiday was two weeks ago. I am predicting another big surge around December 5th-10th.
For some people, its going to be a lot different getting drunk at home and arguing with themselves this year instead of getting drunk and arguing with in-laws.
Around here, Thanksgiving is one thing...but the opening day for rifle season for deer is Saturday the 28th. This is a big enough deal in the rural areas that they usually have off school a couple days into the following week. There will be gaggles of COVID-denying old dudes heading to their cramped "camps" in the mountains with all their buddies for upwards of a week together. Many traveling from high infection areas to areas with less infection. This is going to be a 1-2 punch of stupidity next week. I've heard many folks around here say "i'll be damned if I am not having Thanksgiving with my family this year!!". This is going to be rough ride for many into January.
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