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Quoted from Who-Dey:Where are people getting these masks and gloves?? I cant find any anywhere.
I already had both from clear coating playfields and sanding cabinets.
Otherwise I have no idea where folks are getting them without paying through the nose.
Quoted from PantherCityPins:Interesting exchange but to answer the question, it isn't unethical to have a control group because it is not proven or even apparent at this point that hydroxycholoroquine even works. The initial study from France was a very small amount of patients and another group in France has tried to replicate that study's findings and failed. The hydroxychloroquine patients didn't do any better than the others in the follow up study5.
Any trial you set up now isn't really going to be a double blinded, placebo controlled trial; there just isn't time for that. But let's say you set up a trial where you compared patients who got hydroxychloroquine with some who didn't. If it was apparent that the drug was making a massive difference then yes, you would stop the trial and give everyone the drug. The problem is there hasn't been any such trial, at least not one of a decent size. Furthermore, if this drug really was that effective and caused every patient or even a significant majority to miraculously recover, it would have been easily apparent by now. So far all I've heard is a couple of doctors going onto fringe websites or Fox News and saying it cures every patient while the rest of us in the medical world have mixed results.
I've seen several critical care docs saying that some patients do seem to respond and others don't. What the differences are between the two groups isn't clear. That's why more study is needed, and yes you have to compare patients who get the drug with those who don't. It's not unethical at all.
Sorry doc, Tubes said science is an arbitrary construct. Your logic and reasoning are no good in this battle; you gotta hit him with a meme or something.
Quoted from cait001:mildly positive news for USA: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
Daily New cases hovering around 32k/day for the last 4 days without rising
Daily deaths hovering around 1900/day for the last 3 days
Hoping that means we've hit peak!
It's not as positive when you consider that we have been testing the same number or even fewer people each day.
The growth could still be exponential, but if we are still only testing 150-200k each day we might not be capturing the real growth rate.
I am worried that our testing fiasco has us flying blind still.
Here's a fun thread for anybody interested in all the protests going on in the past couple of days.
https://www.reddit.com/r/maryland/comments/g3niq3/i_simply_cannot_believe_that_people_are/fnstpyl/
Turns out the protesters might be pawns for a larger political scheme.
Quoted from Daditude:Conspiracy theories are not against the rules here, but politics are. I just had to mod a lot of posts. Please keep it clean, folks.
Maybe the rules regarding conspiracy theories should be changed then? They are inherently political.
I feel like it's a strangely American thing to be arguing over when and how to re-open. Perhaps our "every man for himself" mentality isn't as effective as we have been led to believe.
Seeing RotorDave's posts about New Zealand or even new stories from Europe seems like the primary concern is with loss of life and the toll on medical systems. What sort of economic assurance do they have that we don't?
Quoted from CrazyLevi:You kill them. Pigs, chickens, cows are bring killed because there is nowhere to process them.
Pig farmers are putting their hogs on diet feed so they take longer to fatten up.
The other answer is to order the plants to stay open regardless of cost or what you have to do to keep them staffed. I wonder if we'll see prison labor used.
Just going to post some Killer Mike lyrics.
"Cos free labor is the cornerstone of US economics
Cos slavery was abolished, unless you are in prison
You think I am bullshitting, then read the 13th Amendment
Involuntary servitude and slavery it prohibits
That's why they giving drug offenders time in double digits"
I'm waiting for folks to start bringing up that miracle drug Hydroxycloroquine again. I thought it was going to bring our viral enemy to its knees?
Guess not.
Quoted from srmonte:Stay strong everyone! We can get through this! We can continue to pass legislation that encourages people not to work! We can stay closed and safe until a cure is found! Businesses can continue to pay employees to stay home! Let's just juice another 3T! We got this! This is the new normal! We are saving lives! We only save lives, we do not ruin lives!
I mean who really needs to eat! Rent and mortgage paid through Jan 2021! I know I'm sold!
What there is a food and meat shortage? Who'd a thought? I am so confused? I was raised that money grows on trees. So this new normal is super difficult for me.
I know I will be permanently banned from this thread. Please gents continue the face mask etiquette in my place.
Gretta, what am I supposed to say next? You must have something. I mean Hollywood says you will be one of the greatest leaders of our time.
Oil is bad!!!
Thank you Gretta we were unaware
Are you doing ok over there dude?
Quoted from Who-Dey:Deleted post
You're watching too much Fox News.
Seattle is no more or less safe than it was 2 months ago before the protests. Folks are still moving here in droves, and the housing market is hotter than it was pre-Coronavirus.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:I would be just as happy to never catch this disease, regardless of the odds of survival or permanent injury.
Moving to an apartment twice the size this month in the same neighborhood. Since we are spending most our time at home why not have some room?
The nyc apartment market is softer than I’ve ever seen it. We are paying $2750 for a 1000 square foot apartment that would have gone for $3800 last year. No broker fee either which is a reversal of the norm (saved us another $3,000).
Look at this fucking palatial estate!!!There are still people who don’t get it, but I think it’s fewer and fewer every day. This is the most dramatic disruption in America’s daily life since World War II. Its the biggest self-inflicted disaster in the history of this country, that’s for sure. We have failed our greatest test in generations, and in huge swaths of the country we continue to fail harder daily.
But hey at least I got a sweet new pad out of it.
It makes sense to me that the rental market would be soft, but the housing market here has gone bonkers. Houses are selling within a week for 50k-100k over asking price. It seems that a lot of folks who are working from home now are feeling that same urge to spread out a bit into a bigger space.
Meanwhile I can only imagine the commercial real estate market is struggling. I'm a therapist and everyone I know is doing telehealth, which means for a lot of them their offices have become a useless expense that is getting dropped as soon as the lease runs out.
Quoted from Gunnut40:Nope not at all. I was asked to post data and I did. Do you really think a post of shitty screen shot is going to cause people to die? That’s delusional in my opinion. I have said many times that data can be manipulated. Which I did to prove a point.
We can talk about misinformation now? The news! This includes all sides! The hyping up on certain issues and causing a divide. The half lies they tell nonstop. This has caused mistrust! You wonder why people don’t trust the numbers? Why they think Covid might be hoax?
Let’s talk about me a little. Yes I do think Covid is real. The data could be 30% higher or lower than the actual number. We will not know for sure until the end of the year. I can be the the biggest asshole in the world sometimes. If someone needs help I will help them with in reason. Even if they are crazylevi! Who is on my low list of pinsiders. That’s pretty unpatriotic of me.
Anyways sorry about the drunken annoying post sometimes pinside. Stay safe as possible! If I see crazylevi at a pinball show. I’ll be sure to give him a quarter. We just won’t tell him where it came from.
Contributing to misinformation and then doubling down when called on it is hardly something to be proud of.
Quoted from DNO:Funny how everyone that used to say “this virus doesn’t care who you are”, are now claiming it’s the Presidents medical team that is getting him through
He's not out of the woods yet?
A humbling Herman Cain/coronavirus timeline:
6/24: Attends Trump rally, maskless
7/2: Tests positive for Covid-19
7/10: Says he’s improving
7/15: Says his doctors seem happy
7/27: Says he’s really getting better
7/30: Dies
Pretty sure nobody gets over this virus in 3 days...even with extraordinary medical care and attention.
Quoted from razorsedge:Displaying again lack of comprehension in reading (peoples posts), and publishing your own twisted assumption about what they stand for. You are putting words into peoples mouths, and suggesting I said things that I never did. I'll thank you to stop making things up about me.
I'm pretty sure nobody can comprehend your posts unfortunately. I wouldn't blame him for trying to make sense of what you write and not being able to...
Quoted from Who-Dey:You have the freedom to stay inside your home and protect yourself, not sure what more you could ask for. I respect everyones opinion even if I don't agree with it. Shutting down the country will cause far more problems than this virus is. There would be way more deaths if we shut the economy down and that's a fact.
Just because you believe it doesn't make it a fact.
Other countries have managed to both take care of their residents and control the spread of the virus much more efficiently than the US. The only reason we aren't doing a better job is that our current leadership refuses to take responsibility or action. When the President won't even wear a mask while infected is it any wonder that Joe Schmoe won't wear one either?
Quoted from CrazyLevi:Good.
It's not like drive thru cashiers are immune. Customers should wear a mask.
I wear a mask every time in the drive-thru. It's so simple and takes literally a second to put it on when I grab the food, why would one not? Whether it makes things safer or not the there seems to be no reason not to.
Quoted from Jaybird815:The problem with this is, these people who own the restaurants have nothing to lose. They obey shut down orders they’ll have to close anyways.
This is is why stimulus relief and small business support are so important. They should have no need or incentive to be open. If we were taking care of folks and making it possible to close down without potentially losing a business or home then we would hopefully see more folks following through with shutdown orders.
Quoted from misfitdart:As of Jan 10 2020 an AVERAGE of 1074 deaths per day since the first recorded death Jan 20 2020 in the US not 3500 plus. Over 72000 overdoses in 2019 with it increasing by 18% by mid 2020. NEMIS data shows opioid calls in mid 2019 for 2 months to be over 2000, same time period in 2020 it exploded to almost 6000, federal surveys show over 40% of americans are struggling with at least 1 mental or drug issue since the start of the pandemic. Half year suicide rates far surpassed the total numbers provided in 2019, the center for disease and prevention showed surveys from young adults 13-18 that 1 in 4 have thoughts about suicide in the last 30 days. I havent even looked that deep into the alcohol abuse, domestic abuse or the bankruptcy rates that have to be staggering at this point. ALL these points are DIRECTLY connected to the lock downs, am I pushing a “conspiracy theory” or facts? I guess it’s easy to try to prove your point by saying “don’t listen to him, he’s crazy” As a doctor why not push your many fans into boosting their immune systems instead of pushing a narrative? as a doctor why not discuss on how high of a percentage of these covid deaths showed a serious vit D deficiency? I thank you for putting yourself at risk to help others against a very deadly virus that we are learning about daily.
Covid-19 deaths in the US in 2019: 0
Covid-19 deaths in the US in from March 2020 to present: 400,000+
Overdoses in 2019: 72000
Overdoses in 2020 (with your 18% increase): 84960
Your comparison of overdose deaths to Covid-19 falls apart with 5 seconds of critical thinking...or at least it does to my Seattle brain. Maybe they interpret things differently in Calgary.
Quoted from TRAMD:1. "It's just two weeks to flatten the curve."
2. "It's just a mask."
3. "It's just a mask mandate."
4. "It's just a vaccine."
5. "It's just a vaccine passport."
6. "It's just a vaccine mandate."
7. "It's just an anti-vax camp."
8. "It's just an anti-vax prison."
9. "It's just a technocratic autocracy."
I'm curious where some of you draw the line and will no longer say "It's just..."?
that-escalated-quickly-300x300 (resized).jpgI swear this thread is like a virus that keeps mutating.
This is the 3rd or 4th time there's been a wave of "every death is COVID!1!1!1" posts. Every time it gets pointed out how wrong that is.
The same thing with "masks and preventative measures didn't work!!!!" Every time that gets patiently explained too.
The bullshit asymmetry principle is certainly in effect, but I am constantly impressed by how many Pinsiders manage to be on the wrong side of it.
Quoted from BrianJ1337:Dr. Fauci himself stated Vaccinated people infected with the Indian 'Delta' variant have the same viral levels as the unvaccinated infected with this variant.
Listen to the experts not some guy on a pinball forum. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9839697/Fauci-says-CDC-changed-mask-guidance-vaccinated-people-spread-Indian-Delta-variant.html
Also locking yourself indoors doesn't help either strangely. "Cuomo says it’s ‘shocking’ most new coronavirus hospitalizations are people who had been staying home"
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/06/ny-gov-cuomo-says-its-shocking-most-new-coronavirus-hospitalizations-are-people-staying-home.html
If it really "slowed" the spread and 60% of Americans have their vaccine now... Hmmm...
Your CNBC article is from May of 2020. Maybe look for a more recent source? (I don't think you'll find one)
Quoted from Jaybird815:What I have learned the past 18 months is that we haven’t learned much.
"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."
-Isaac Asimov
Quoted from Trekkie1978:Why even have a headline that reads “4 teachers in Florida school system die from covid”???
Because if they're already fucking dying before school starts then things are going to get a hell of a lot worse when they have to go back to school and are surrounded by kids all day and their governor is trying to keep them from being able to enforce masking while kids under 12 are 0% vaccinated.
Here's what happens after school starts and masks are "optional"
Quoted from BrianJ1337:And Yes, the ones who got it the worst were mostly unvaccinated (for whatever sick bastards that see this makes you happy, you’re welcome)
Who the fuck do you think is happy about people getting sick and dying? Who is that comment aimed at?
Quoted from BrianJ1337:The scary part for me is knowing people would easily be willing to have the government throw unvaccinated people into camps all for a virus with a 99.6% survival rate. Some of you act like you would fight against something so egregious but don't kid yourselves most of the vaccinated would cheer to see unvaccinated loaded up and shipped off so you can have your "perfect healthy society".
“Fascism, Nazism, Communism and Socialism are only superficial variations of the same monstrous theme — collectivism.”
I never thought I would see people so willing to give up everything and chastise their neighbors for not wanting to participate in a medical experiment like this, collectivism is scary stuff.
At this point the only conclusion I can come to is that you're just a very persistent troll. I don't see any better explanation for the way you present things in this thread.
Quoted from BrianJ1337:Deleted post
I can remember being 17 and telling a teacher that as far as I could tell she and the rest of my class were merely a part of a dream that my mind had created for me. How could I know that anybody else was actually real?
Thankfully I've realized since then that that kind of narccisstic thinking isn't a sign of strength but of weakness. My own self-interest is important, but I need other people in my life and in the world.
It's like the Twilight Zone episode where the guy leaves a nuclear bunker alone and everyone else is dead. He is so excited to finally have time to read all the books he wanted to, only to break his glasses. Turns out modern society actually does something to offer all of us.
You might be right things. Perhaps the rest of us are just sheep soaking up that her mentality. But if so, why are you so invested in this thread? We have no power over you. We're just bleating about our fear of a virus with a 99.6% survival rate. You're way too tough and strong to be scared of that. And we're way too dumb to realize that you're right. So why not just go play some pinball and be happy that you're on the right side of history?
Quoted from FamDocKevin:Actually, there is little evidence that the Delta variant is much different than other variants. The mortality rate, certainly, is no higher. And arguably, the mortality rate, with each passing wave is improving. To reassure you that school kids are safe, here is a well done study from the first wave of the virus, where arguably the mortality rate was at its highest. This is out of Sweden. During the course of the study, for 1.8 million school children going to school without masks, ZERO of them died. And teachers were shown to have less risk from Covid than most other professions (likely because transmission rates from children to adults is far less than from adults to adults):
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2026670?fbclid=IwAR2y9fR-F_Fm14yuwYO2cac4xaYfiBbHBfFzE36qeeQlo1JuCdKNO_D6JHg
Your study is admittedly from the first wave. How does it have any bearing on whether Delta is more or less deadly, or more or less contagious?
Anecdotally, hospitals throughout the south, both children's and regular are filling up with delta patients. How can you be so sure that unmasked and unvaxxed is actually the way to go for schools? You seem convinced of your view but have presented 0 relevant evidence to support it.
The hospital network in my hometown (Southern IN) just posted this on FB. The comments are about what you would expect. Lots of "just asking questions" and equivocation. Lots of "but how many had underlying conditions?!?!" Even in the face of hard data too many folks refuse to accept reality.
pasted_image (resized).pngQuoted from sevenrites:It could also be said your arguments are also just repackaged big pharma approved pro vaccination talking points that have been rehashed and echoed continuously by media and celebrities.
Tell us more about your ideas, which, in contrast, are solely the product of your own intelligence and independent research. There are certainly no celebrities or politicians echoing your sentiments. You have had to work hard to come to your position about vaccines, Ivermectin, and how everyone else here is a sheep in need of some shearing.
Quoted from embryonjohn:Tell them to mail you the vaccine, you’ll take it yourself and fill out your own vaccine card. You know…just like mail in voting
Washington state has had mail in voting as the default in every election for over 10 years now with no issues. I literally have my ballot dropped off in my mailbox and can drop it into a mail collection box at multiple locations within a 5 minute walk. I don't know what the fuck kind of political point you're trying to make here but it's bullshit.
Quoted from Trekkie1978:Hawaii has masks. Florida doesn’t. Charts are identical.
If masks worked as said, the charts would not match. That right there is real world data.
I can’t spell it out any easier.
Then you have NJ having slower growth than Hawaii…without masks in a state where a vast majority or on top of each other.
Honestly, I just don’t get it. All the data shows there has only been 1 thing that has any effect on reducing transmission…vaccines. Our leaders are doing an awful job in partnering with industry, to help get the numbers up. The only thing driving the numbers up, is when people experience a spike. In NJ, we have gotten a minor increase in vaccine doses given. It’s not enough. Come the winter, we are going to get clobbered with numbers we’ve never seen before due to delta.
All the ex presidents should be working together to get the message out in the communities where they are popular. Places like Disney, should have vaccination locations at park entrances, every concert and sporting event too. These are the perfect places to be using the J&J shot.
We do have pop up blood donation sites. Maybe I don’t go out of my way to the blood center, but it if the truck is out front of Best Buy, I walk in and donate.
There’s a certain percent that will never take it, no matter what. The percent that just hasn’t gotten around to it, that’s where we need to make it extremely easy for them to get it.
You're not going to read or pay attention to this but hopefully other folks will.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/09/01/masks-study-covid-bangladesh/
Massive randomized study is proof that surgical masks limit coronavirus spread, authors say
Quoted from bonzo71:Im reading it as hospitalization with covid, not from covid.
What if it means hospitalization with covid and not from covid? If an unvaccinated person ends up in the hospital due to an injury and tests positive for covid, do they appear on the chart? I looked on the website and could not tell.
If your hypothetical is true this is just as likely to happen to a vaccinated person and will therefore have no effect on the overall ratio.
There is subreddit forum on Reddit documenting anti-vax anti-mask folks who then go on to end up in the hospital or dead from COVID.
Https://old.reddit.com/r/HermainCainAward
It is quite sobering to see how many folks share the same memes and same arguments and then end up horribly sick or with sick family members. The propaganda effect is real.
The commentary there is quite dark. Lots of folks feeling like the deaths are deserved. I don't agree with that, but I do understand the frustration. I'm not sure how much blame is fair to lay at the feet of folks who have so clearly been sucked in by propaganda. Like they certainly bear some responsibility but I don't know where to draw the line.
Anyway, I think the posts there just highlight how similarly folks have reacted to COVID, for better or worse. Where can we even go from here?
I just wanted to highlight two different articles from the Federalist, well known conservative magazine.
2015: https://thefederalist.com/2015/02/03/the-insane-vaccine-debate/
What a difference 6 years make. When did vaccine mandates go from important public health policy to fascist assaults on freedom?
Quoted from BrianJ1337:Correct, we know they willfully chose NOT to report nursing home deaths in places like NY.
Just going to conveniently ignore all the fuckery that has occurred with Florida's data?
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article251838913.html
Quoted from Mikala:I’m glad to see Expo is more civil and using common sense with their rules than MGC’s 12-years and up need to be vaccinated or tested before entering.
What's common sense about not requiring a free, safe and effective vaccine that's been available for 6+ months?
It's absolutely mind-boggling to me how public health has been politicized like this.
Quoted from BrianJ1337:LoL.
Florida is 7th in mortality with one of the highest elderly populations. An average vaccine rollout and ZERO lockdowns or mask mandates. Yes delta blew through and it was rough but compared to states with draconian lockdown measures and vax mandates Florida fared much better and has had none of these mandates for 2 years! https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/
Truth isn’t some disinformation campaign. Florida is crushing covid by all accounts especially when you account for the amount of international travelers we get etc.
Name a state with draconian lockdown measures please.
No US states have done anything of the sort.
In the original outbreak folks in Wutan were not allowed to leave their apartment buildings and had food delivered by couriers in hazmat suits.
Australia has had some very strict lockdowns in various states. They've also only had 170,000 cases and 1700 deaths.
Imagine if the US cared about its citizens anywhere close to that much? Instead we lead the world in case number and deaths. And plague rats like you cheer every grisly step of the way.
Quoted from Trekkie1978:I never supplied my vaccine card to the race.
When I selected the indoor expo, it just asked if I were vaccinated. In order to get inside the expo, I had to supply the vaccine card. But there wasn’t a list or anything like that. I showed up before my selected time and no one checked to see my name on the list.
When I showed up to the race, I just walked through the metal detector. No one asked for my vaccine card or negative test.
Note: could’ve the people at the metal detector just not doing what they were told? Possibly. Can only share my experience.
Second note: when people say “we got rid of smallpox, why not this?” That is saying we can eradicate it.
I'm running the Seattle Half Marathon in 3 weeks. Yesterday it was pouring rain here and I didn't feel like being miserable so I did a 5 mile run on a treadmill in the gym wearing a mask the whole time. It's not a big deal at all. Plenty of companies have designed masks specifically for exercising in
God if it will get you to shut up about this bullshit I'll run the whole half outside in a mask.
Quoted from OLDPINGUY:I find it interesting that Newscorp in Australia holdings is Pro Mask and Vax there, and the opposite in its news here.
It's all about the grift baby.
No need to report truthfully or even aim to inform when there is so much money to be made telling people what they want to hear.
Quoted from BrianJ1337:More Than 10,000 Australians Want Compensation for Vaccine Side Effects
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-11-16/australia-faces-compensation-bill-for-vaccine-side-effects-smh
So roughly 1/2500 have lasting side effects? Damn if that’s what you call “safe and effective” you guys would love to try my new skydiving tornado surfing sport I’m working on. It’s safe!
Did you even read the article you posted?
Quoted from Bmad21:I should clear up a stance that some people seem to not understand.
1. A very small percentage of people are truly anti Vax.
2. Please be aware that being anti covid Vax does not mean you are a covid denier.
3. Yes people have the right to consult with their physician on these types of matters.
4. Some of these Vaccines carry a heart risk in men, don't give me its rare "beep"
5. Despite what's going on Covid is here to stay and getting to zero cases is a fantasy.
6. Measuring a fatality of a virus should not be done by case but death count.
7. Having a heart attack does not count as a covid death.
8. Before you spill "its safe" Remember that the school vaccine list has refined vaccines not, it's just came out vaccines.
9. Masking will eventually lead to a giant super cold because our immune system has not had the ability to properly aclimate to the other viruses.
10. We will need to have natrual immunity sometime in the future starting now unless we want to get off the vaccine and mask mandate.
11. Ivermectin is not a horse dewormer.
12. Masking is becoming just a fashion statement.
I should repeat here, being anti covid Vax and mask mandate boes not render someone a covid denier.
We shouldn't be dealing with young people right now, younger people have more robust immune system, vaxing these people I think is pointless.
1. Ok
2. Oh really?
3. Definitely!
4. Which is more likely? Adverse vaccine reaction or significant health issues from getting COVID? This is a simple math problem.
5. Got any evidence to back this claim up?
6. That's already how it is done?
7. Sure. Having myocarditis after a vaccine shouldn't be called a vaccine reaction. See how stupid this sounds?
8. Tell me you've done 0 research on other vaccine rollouts without saying exactly that. Maybe see how we handled Polio and the polio vaccine when it came out?
9. LMAO
10. Nobody knows what you're saying but it's provocative.
11. What exactly would you say it does then?
12. Not-masking seems far more fashionable to me in most parts of the country. In most states folks are far more likely to get judged for wearing a mask than not, dunno why anti-maskers are so hard up on being the victims about it.
Quoted from BrianJ1337:How’s the cdc for a source? https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/myocarditis.html
You've had the myocarditis link explained to you 3+ times at this point. Folks have specifically responded to you about it. You don't seem to be here to listen very much.
What would make you change your mind?
Quoted from BrianJ1337:We can't deny at this point that people have died from the shot itself. Stroke, heart issues, GBS and more. If it's rare great but it doesn't stop the spread nor prevent covid sickness and we cannot call it "safe" at least when compared to other vaccines and their side effects.
To try and mandate such a poor excuse for a vaccine should be criminal.
You've said the same thing over and over. You never respond to others questions or what they post or ask you.
Are you trying to convince everyone else or yourself? I don't think you even believe what you post. Somebody else told you what to think and you've bought it.
Currently laid up in bed 24 hours after I got a combo of the vaccine booster and a flu vaccine. Alternating chills/sweats and body aches. I'm not sure which of the two is doing me in, but it's no fun.
Anybody know what kind of compensation I'm entitled for my vaccine injury? Maybe an appearance on Tucker or a Breitbart article?
The booster feels well worth it though. I'll be seeing my unvaccinated parents and brother and sister in law over Christmas so somebody has to take some responsibility here and use protection.
Quoted from embryonjohn:When Covid is long gone, you’ll have 4 main groups of people.
Got the vaccine and didn’t get it.
Got the vaccine & still got it.
Didn’t get the vaccine & got it.
Didn’t get it or the vaccine.
This last group of lucky souls like to refer to themselves as “pure bloods.”
When we’re being honest with ourselves, we’d all like to be them when this is over…just completely untouched. Too late for me.
Are there any working numbers on how many US residents who’ve contracted Covid but now refuse the vaccine relying on their hard hard-won (but fleeting) immunity?
I tried researching it and had no luck.
Are you auditioning to write the next Harry Potter series? You've got quite the start to a fantasy novel there.
Wife and I tested positive yesterday.
Some observations:
1. We are both two weeks out from our 3rd doses. Omicron is an infectious motherfucker.
2. Symptoms for me started with mild chills/body aches and a sore throat last Wednesday. This turned into a head cold, lots of congestion and sneezing. On Friday (Christmas Eve) we both took a rapid test and were negative even though my symptoms were pretty strong. Wife had a headache but was much less whiny than I was.
3. Christmas day we couldn't get a test. My symptoms were still pretty annoying. Sudafed+acetaminophen was enough to keep me going.
4. Yesterday morning I woke up feeling a lot better but we took tests anyway because we were supposed to see extended family. Both positive on the rapid tests, and also took PCR tests. Wife is now feeling similarly to how I did earlier in the week.
5. Today I feel good. Some mild congestion in my chest but I can breathe through my nose and my body doesn't hurt. Our holiday plans are ruined though. We are living in my in-laws basement in Illinois for the next few days. My father-in-law's Supersonic has a bad solenoid driver board so I can't even play that to pass the time.
6. We were supposed to go home tomorrow but no way we can do that now. Current CDC guideline is 10 days of isolation from symptom onset. Multiple articles I've read are suggesting this will need to be changed with Omicron. We changed our flights to Friday. Hopefully we'll be able to get negative tests before then or we'll have to change them yet again.
My takeaways:
1. Rapid tests aren't great with Omicron apparently. Probably best to assume if you have symptoms that you have it.
2. The disruption is a pain in the ass even with mild symptoms. I don't doubt that plenty of folks (especially Americans) will not be able to follow isolation guidelines. I can afford to miss an extra half a week of work, way too many people can't afford that. We're not going to provide any kind of support for folks who are supposed to isolate, so it's not going to happen. Too many people will have the choice of paying rent and groceries or isolating, and that's no choice at all.
3. Omicron is probably going to hit us all. Wife and I were 3x vaxxed and wore masks in public and still got it. We were not wearing N95s though (guess we might as well have gone with women's underwear?)
Quoted from SantaEatsCheese:People are absolutely being forced and coerced to take the vaccination.
I have a note from HR that one of my employees is not vaccinated, and as such is required to have a negative COVID test less than 3 days old at all times to be present on government property (where he works). I work in an industry that cannot and never will be remote. So now twice a week he has to get a brain swab in order to stay employed and feed his family. On top of this, he has to pay for the tests, which are not cheap.
I drove by a drive through testing center on the way to work this morning as I always do... There were over 200 cars in line... So now he must waste 8 hours of his week every week waiting in line, pay an outrageous sum for testing... and then still wear a mask to work for a vaccine that will not protect others.
This is the price of working and doing business with the federal government. And you know what, it is raising the price to do business with the government. Recruiting is harder than ever and people are leaving their work to support the private sector where the government has less ability to enforce this garbage. This results in lower quality workers demanding higher pay, ultimately providing an inferior product to the tax payer all to make some do gooder feel better.
I have 2 vaccine shots, but it was by choice. I would encourage you to get a shot. I would never enforce it. I see the real world consequences of this outside of the medical field. Shame.
None of what you wrote depicts force or coercion. Dude has choices. He makes his choice and deals with the consequences. Suck it up buttercup.
Quoted from BrianJ1337:There is plenty of clips and articles of everyone from the president to the CDC saying "get vaccinated you won't get sick or go to the hospital", "you won't spread covid if you're vaccinated" etc. Were they lying? Hard to say but they were dead wrong on almost all of it. Now you expect me to take a vaccine that was created with a variant in mind that was 10 variants ago? Do i need to get the first two + a booster to be up to speed or is it just the booster for me?.. Seriously listen to yourselves I'm not moving any goalposts I'm just recognizing when they're moved.
So post them then?
You seem to expect us to have all the answers to this Pandemic before the folks in charge say anything. That's not how leadership works.
Quoted from Oaken:The most recent data I saw was that:
previous infection 6 months out around 60% reduction in severe disease
two dose vaccination 6 months out around 40% reduction
Previous infection + booster 4 weeks out is over 90%
2 dose + booster 4 weeks out is around 80-90%.
Number shift around a bit based on age and pre existing condition of the cohort.
Evidence of fade as you go further out from booster. Will see afterwards if they are still good enough or not.
Problem is, especially in the older higher risk groups, the USA is not boosted enough (and there are around 2 million that aren’t vaccinated at all). 2 dose vaccination (or less) of this group is not good enough for what we need.
My anecdotal experience for my wife and I follows this. She was 4+ weeks out on her booster and I was only 2 weeks out when we got COVID. Both early 30s.
Both had head cold symptoms (congestion, body aches) for about 3 days then felt a lot better. We were testing negative (on rapids so...YMMV) 3 days after positive test. We still isolated for over a week.
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