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Quoted from wolfemaaan:So we shut down the entire US over 200 deaths?
All you are doing is baiting everyone here. You are gone.
Everybody, put is idiot on ignore. All he is doing is jerking your chain. And it looks like he has been a doing good job of it.
Quoted from Jaybird815:My guess is that it will be announced once plants are ready, takes time to convert from Mustangs to ventilators.
Exactly. That won't be an easy conversion. The only auto workers that would translate well to putting tedious medical equipment together would be the people who build radios and under dash control systems. The big brute hanging fenders and doors is not going to have an easy time with putting microscopic parts.
It could take a year to figure out what kind of plant needs built, get it equipped and ready to go with all of the necessary parts on hand. And then you have on the job training to work through.
To me, it sounds like a last gasp pipe dream just so the powers that be can stay they are doing something.
Quoted from SantaEatsCheese:but no chicken
Same here. I went to 2 stores yesterday and the chicken aisle was bare. Now, they cannot just magically grow chickens overnight so I figure it will be awhile before we see chicken in the cooler.
Yesterday, I made a crock pot of chicken soup with some wings I had in the freezer. I figure it will be awhile before I will be able to make more.
Quoted from Wickerman2:Not the 60 nations that accepted the WHO covid test back in January. South Korea found it’s first case exact same day as US. They’ve tested how many ? 100’s of thousands AND they have containment. This stuff matters to our reaction going forward.
I need a link to this one, please. I need to shove it into someone's face and say "READ !!!"
Quoted from Colsond3:Here’s something informative and relevant to this site. Just started putting more stuff in my Marco cart so I can at least work on games, and this notice popped up.
I did just get another order three days ago without any delay. But this notice wasn't there then.[quoted image]
Awh shit. No pinball parts? Now its getting real !!
Quoted from PantherCityPins:If anyone has a question regarding COVID-19 I will be happy to try and answer.
OK. How widespread do YOU think it will get? Any ideas? Do you think we will get a handle on it? If so, how long do you think it will take?
Can we believe any thing we hear about a forthcoming vaccine? And what is your opinion with this off-label testing that is going on?
Quoted from PantherCityPins:Without significant limitations on person to person spread it will become widespread within a month or so in the US.
Yes, we will eventually get a handle on it, the question is how many people will die before we do. If we keep our medical system from being overwhelmed we will have fewer deaths.
Vaccine is 12-18 months from being widely available from what I have seen and heard so far.
There are several drugs out there that may have some benefit based on anecdotal evidence but it remains to be seen if that effect will hold up under more widespread use. I will say that there isn’t a whole lot we have in our toolbox at the moment so most doctors are willing to try drugs that may help.
Thanks for your questions.
Thank you. Can I/we assume you are currently working in hospital? Of so, how are your PPE supplies holding up? Do you expect PPE shortages in future if you are not already experiencing them? How well is the mental state of the health care workers were you are located? Are they keeping it together or are they starting to freak out?
If the airlines get bailed out it still may not be enough to save the airline industry.
The small regional carriers do not appear to be a part of the relief package.
"Two regional airlines that fly feeder flights for United, Delta and American airlines will halt operations in the next few weeks, marking the first US carriers to be grounded by the coronavirus outbreak."
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/20/business/regional-airlines-halt-operations-coronavirus/index.html
Quoted from Zablon:Apparently asking for words to calm the nation in this time of crisis is now considered a nasty question.
Yeah, I picked up on that, too. Softball questions only.
Quoted from Zablon:I'm not saying anything he is saying is wrong, or that he's not a doctor...but do we KNOW he's a doctor? We've had our share of healthcare workers telling us the last 2 weeks that this was overblown and not an issue.
You took the words from my mouth.
Let me see your bonafides. Oh, lemme see, I am on post #1457 in such-n-such thread.
Quoted from o-din:Or the classic licensed themes.
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Loved that movie. I need some squeeze !
How about a pin, instead of Back Hole, it will be Black Death.
We are leaving France and South Korea in the dust. At this rate, tomorrow the US will overtake Iran and be in position #5 as the testing is getting started.
But don't worry folks. It is under control. I'm sure it will be gone in a couple of weeks. 
As for the ratio of deaths to recoveries, the US is not the place to be.
233 deaths vs 125 recoveries.
I go to the Friday night auctions a local auction house has every week. Usually, I will drive up on Friday morning and see what will be for sale and if it is something I can use. If there is nothing I stay home.
This morning I went to have a look around. The auction house is not busy this time of day so I do not perceive a risk. Friday night is something different. Bidders will be packed in like sardines, sitting shoulder-to-shoulder and coughing on each other. I did not see anything I want or need. I'm staying home
The sign on the door of the auction house is revealing: "due to the cronovirus, no children will be allowed inside. If you want to leave a bid on something see the office." That's it . They are staying open.
The juxtaposition of watching how the need to stay home conflicts with everybody's need to make a living is interesting to watch.
Quoted from swampfire:To compare countries you should sort by the last column. The country we just passed is China. US only has about 1/4 as many infections per capita as France (but only because we are a week or 2 behind them). See the chart below.
Recoveries lag deaths by several weeks, since you’re not “recovered” until you’re clear of the virus. Actually there’s no meaningful way to compare any of the columns at this point, because they represent different points in the progression of the disease.
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Thanks. I did not know you could stratify this table by clicking the arrows up top. In each column, too. And even alphabetically as shown here.
Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:Overcoming free will requires the government to step in for our own good. Want people to stop going to restaurants? You don’t tell people not to go, you order the restaurants to close so there is no choice. Fortunately many companies and state governments are taking the lead in this and that will help us.
I heard that China went so far as to weld people's doors closed.
https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=did+china+weld+doors+closed&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
Google is going have to chase its search model. More and more links that shown on Google are falling behind paywalls. Pretty soon the only thing one will be able to look for on Google will be sites that are selling physical goods.
Are you a capitalist? Or are you a socialist?
I suppose that depends if you need money or not.
Sometimes everybody can benefit from a little government help. Many of the less fortunate need more govt. help more often than others.
I am watching the airline industry turn into a den of socialists. What I don't want to be hearing about is stock buybacks and executive bonuses. It is time for many of these overpaid bastards to step up.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/20/business/airlines-payroll-cuts-coronavirus/index.html
Quoted from RWH:I so look forward to the day we can all breath easier. The toll that has befallen families all over the world is so tragic it becomes harder each day to believe in our hopes for brighter days.
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Interesting. In the span of a few posts, I am seeing this thread morph into a condolences thread. Not passing judgment. It is just an observation and I wonder if it will become a trend.
Quoted from Bublehead:I like the name of the thread, containment. Problem is, we havent. As a former nuc radiation worker, I have to say, containment is defined as think of all the ways it can get out, now, stop it from doing that. Are we doing that?, I rest my case on containment. We are in damage control now, folks. Triage is needed. We need to think of all the ways this could be transmitted and do something to stem each way. Lets get on the problem and stop arguing on why we should or should not take head and do the human race survival steps we need to. If we treasure the ones we love, for thier sake only, we should do this.
I find it interesting that both of our borders are now closed. North from Canada. South from Mexico. Only trouble is is that the virus is already here. I guess let everybody get stocked up on food and other basic supplies and shut the entire country down. Except for essential services, which looks like it will become a growing list.
I never gave it a lot of thought, but truck stops are considered essential services.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/21/cars/truck-stops-coronavirus/index.html
So, medical field. Which includes hospitals, medical devise makers, mask makers, rubber gloves, PPE suits and hoodies.
Grocery stores. If truck stops can stay open then will all of the gas stations remain open as well?; If some people need to go to work they are going to need gas, so yes to gas stations.
People who die need buried. No funeral, but the grave diggers can't be away from work.
If the trucks are rolling then the roads are open. To keep people corralled could we see law enforcement barricading highways and we would need some sort of ration stamp that says we can be out and about?
Lots of questions. No answers. But it sure appears that if we can't shut down better than what has been done so far, this thing is just going to linger and no one knows for how long.
No easy answers.
4 US states are lagging on taking strong action on the coronavirus — including Texas, the second-largest state in the country.
https://www.businessinsider.com/texas-idaho-missouri-nebraska-covid-19-responses-2020-3
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" Texas, which has a population of nearly 29 million and is the second-largest state in the country, hasn't yet closed schools, bars, or restaurants in the state, or forcibly limited the size of gatherings and groups...
" At a press conference over the weekend, Abbott said he believed individual city governments would make the best decisions for their communities on decisions like closing schools and limiting bar and restaurant services.
But as the Texas Tribune reported, some experts have warned that such "patchwork" policies that allow various practices across the state can lead to confusion.
It "makes people feel that they don't really know what's going on and that the people who are in charge don't really know what's going on," Mary Bassett, director of the François-Xavier Bagnoud Center for Health and Human Rights at Harvard University, told the Texas Tribune."
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There are 3 others states mentioned in the article. It is not just Texas.
Here's the difference between an 'essential' business and a 'nonessential' business as states and cities announce coronavirus-related closures
( There is another list of essential list of services that I have seen and cannot find. This list looks like the entire country is staying open).
These are the haves.
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Supermarkets and grocery stores
Big-box stores
Pharmacies
Convenience stores and discount stores
Garbage collection
Healthcare operations
Daycare centers
Hardware stores
Gas stations and auto-repair shops
Banks
Post offices and shipping businesses
Veterinary clinics and pet stores
Farmers' markets and food banks
Businesses that provide necessities to shelters and economically disadvantaged people
Educational institutions, for the purposes of facilitating distance learning
Food processing
Agriculture
Feed mills
Warehousing, storage, and distribution
EDIT: Not mentioned: Airports and aircraft. If anything should not be open, I think all flights need grounded, but it will be suicide for any leader who pulls that plug.
And these are the have nots
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Theaters
Gyms and recreation centers
Salons and spas
Museums
Casinos and racetracks
Shopping malls
Bowling alleys
Sporting and concert venues
These are businesses for which the category varies by region:
Restaurants and bars
Liquor stores
Hotels and commercial lodging
Laundromats and dry cleaners
Industrial manufacturing not related to essential function
Businesses that allow other businesses to stay open
Construction
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Some one else brought up liquor stores and it is being said the alcoholics will not be able to handle going cold turkey.
And I imagine some young parents without a washer and dryer at home will take exception to the laundry mat being off limits.
I suppose barbar shops would fall under the classification of salons. I need a haircut but am not comfortable going to any barber right now so I guess it does not really matter.
EDIT: The have nots consists of many businesses that are in the recreation industry. We may get a very good chance to see how much recreation contributes to the economy. And half of the recreational items are things my preachers called "living in sin" 50 years ago.
When I lived in Dallas in the 70s, Texas had what were called Blue Laws. What that meant was only essential items could be sold on Sunday. You could buy gas, but no booze (it you lived in a "wet" county); Grocery stores could remain open for essential items, but most aisles were roped off. The beer aisle was especially closed off. If you did not stock up on Saturday you were SOL.
Quoted from Utesichiban:American industry ramped up production of vital war equipment and supplies during WWII. I cant understand why the same can’t be done to make basic items like medical masks and vital medical supplies right now. Have we really outsourced so much manufacturing to China that we can’t even rush items like medical masks for our own needs
We had a head start.
https://www.dummies.com/education/history/american-history/american-preparation-for-world-war-ii/
American Preparation for World War II
President Franklin Delano Roosevelt (FDR), like most Americans, was not eager for the United States to enter a global military conflict. But unlike the ardent isolationists, he also figured it was inevitable. Even though American troops didn’t officially join World War II until December 1941, FDR started preparations in 1940. They included...
Quoted from hAbO:You can’t be this gullible. The guys in charge now look like monkeys f@cking a football.
I think he forgot to use the sarcasm icon.
Quoted from RWH:Patriotism was rampant people believed in their country and believed in themselves, the generation that spanned the start of WWII through the end of the Korean war will never be repeated again, they are the greatest generation in the history of America.
I am going to partially disagree with you on some of this info. I was born in 1952. I grew up watching reruns of WW2 movies where everyone was a hero. Hollywood came to the rescue with all of these patriotic movies, such as John Wayne in the Fighting SeeBees, for example. Hollywood's Frank Capra was contracted to make all of these propaganda movies about how eager people were to enlist and serve. But this was after Pearl Harbor. Pearl Harbor is what galvanized the country into action because we had been attacked.
Before Pearl, FDR had to do all kinds of dancing around to help out Britain with the lend-lease program. Many, not all, people who had had their fill of WW I were not happy with the the thought of the U.S. getting caught up in another European war. Sedition was a problem. Also there were a lot of Jew haters in this country. America did not want to go to war. We can thank FDR for having the foresight to see what was coming and having the smarts to get some of his programs through Congress.
And we had the draft. Yeah, sure, you can read where a group of high school kids took off to join up. And we can read about the underage kids that lied so they could enlist, but a lot of people were reluctant to sign up. So, it took the draft, and a whole lot of Hollywood to turn many into the patriots we think they were. Not taking anything away from them, but there were a lot of reluctant heroes.
You go back and look at the newspapers of the day and it was pretty much business as usual. The factories were humming making war machines, Rosie was busy riveting, etc. But various and sundry items were still being sold. And the newspapers turned into geography instructors as battles in Europe took place.
Other than the rampant patriotism, I will agree with you on everything else.
No action was spared to get the American public involved and supporting the war. Propaganda posters were placed that vilified all Germans as the enemy. There was scrap metal drives for the housewives to give up their pots and pans to support the war. Ladies, save your bacon grease as it can be used in the production of ammunition. I have a copy of my mother's 1942 income tax return. There is a line in there that was called Victory Tax. Everybody got to participate.
Celebrities were employed to encourage patriotism. Celebrities in uniform were highlighted and the public was made aware of those celebs who were in uniform.
Bond drives were put on around the country, using celebrities, telling you to buy bonds to help with the war effort. The govt. did not need your help to finance the war with your buying of bonds. Instead, with all of the soldiers going overseas, and the people left behind who came out of the depression and found theirselves working 12 hours days, suddenly had money to burn and not much to spend it on as most items were for war production. The primary purpose of the bond drives was to get money out of circulation in an effort to help keep consumers goods price in check.
So, on this side to WW2, it looks like a lot patriotism, and there was, after Pearl Harbor.
Oh yeah, oner other thing: Those guys who did go to war did go in to battle fighting for you here at home. That's poppycock. They were fighting for their buddies who were going into battle with them.
Quoted from jimjim66:American corporations are stepping up. Example: Hanes is going to start producing surgical masks, and car companies like Tesla are switching over to start producing ventilators.
No, he did not call the virus a "hoax", he was referring to Democratic rhetoric on trying to nail him on events, here is exactly what he said in context:
“Now, the Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus," and, "One of my people came up to me and said, 'Mr. President, they tried to beat you on Russia, Russia, Russia.' That didn't work out too well. They couldn't do it. They tried the impeachment hoax. And this is their new hoax.”
Jesus, you can't even quote him correctly, get moderated, and I cannot respond for reasons I would rather not mention.
Quoted from Who-Dey:Stop spreading lies. That is 100% false!
That's fine line, Who-Dey. I do not recall anyone calling it a hoax, save one who made the reference in a rally speech. I wish I could play the movie.
Quoted from zr11990:The have seen pics of people shitting in the streets and so forth and I just don’t get it. One of the basic things one learns early in life is you don’t shit where you eat. Someone explain
One of the things that happens, in San Fransisco homeless, is that the city can put up porta-potties and then the thugs/gangs start exacting tolls from the homeless to use the porta-pottie.
Quoted from onemoresean:I was given essential service provider paperwork
Man, there will be a black market for those.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:I would GLADLY secede to Canada now.
Couldn’t possibly be worse.
You would get free health care 
Quoted from TheFamilyArcade:It can be argued that women and African Americans held the US manufacturing base together while the “greatest generation” was off fighting the war. When the boys got back home to reclaim their jobs, the people that held down the fort - quite well thank you - were thrown out on their ass. And then not allowed to buy property in good neighborhoods. All while we rebuilt Europe and Japan. This engenders deep socio-economic problems. And a couple generations later, after ongoing disenfranchisement, some have the audacity to call these people takers.
Well, we’ll see who becomes the engine of our rebuilt economy after Covid 19. A lot of potential candidates might not be allowed in any more.
The way black soldiers were treated during WW 2 was despicable.
The real kicker is that with all of our boys over in Europe fighting the war, getting shot and killed there were no young men to help on the farms in Kansas. Solution: German POWs were brought over here to work the farms and discovered all of the propaganda that Hitler had been feeding was a crock of shit ( is it OK to talk WW 2 German politics ?) and they found out that the Americans were not too bad. They worked the farms, made friends with the locals, were housed and fed, and many of them remained or came back after the war and made the US their home. I should add that these were the regular German soldiers, not any of the SS.
And the workers who manned the factories got sacked because the war was over and the govt. canceled all contracts. There were no jobs. I have an unemployment form that my dad filled out. WW 2 got us out of the depression and when that was over it took time to retool for civilian production. The pent up demand for automobiles was huge. IIRC, it took 3 years for the auto industry to get caught up to demand.
Also, one of my old WW 2 friends use to talk how, after the war, the politicians told people to go buy a refrigerator, or a washing machine . Go buy anything to help drive the economy. And then the baby boom happened.
Quoted from arcademojo:Well, for those that would rather hear about news and not the back and forth political bitching. Here is some nice news.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/21/politics/fda-coronavirus-test/index.html?utm_medium=social&utm_content=2020-03-21T19%3A30%3A02&utm_term=link&utm_source=fbCNN&fbclid=IwAR34JMQ1y99DUGb7cts7P4w2tlOV87UekkCmuh4xxIKAzhjB68SkN_zWx08
Sorry. It says "could" which also means it "could not". Not hammering you, but I would rather wait and hear when there actually is something that WILL work.
Should, could, it might, if this happens then this could, I feel, I think, I believe, there is a possibility, etc. I would rather wait and hear the authorities telling me what they know as opposed to keep hearing suppositional possibilities.
Quoted from swampfire:I don’t see a lot of value in rehashing how we got here over and over. There will be time for a post-mortem after we get through this. There’s definitely no danger of someone making a mistake and not getting noticed. This is honestly the best time to say the hell with politics for a couple of months, let’s support each other, and that includes the leaders we may really dislike.
If there’s any good news right now, it’s that we are ALL taking this seriously now, on a bipartisan basis. It’s not a left vs. right thing any more, it’s responsible vs. irresponsible.
Well, hell man, you sound just like someone else I know who has been busy trashing everyone who did not pet and pander and now we are all supposed to be one big happy family.
Quoted from Who-Dey:That plant is close to where I work at and I have had friends that work there. It pissed me off and let's just say it made me feel much different about the Chinese. You can decide for yourself if that's good or bad.
The American Factory documentary was produced by Barrack and Michelle Obama.
Quoted from Gryszzz:Fauci/Limbaugh. I'm always getting those two confused.
Grsyzzz, I have a bridge I would like to sell you. New asphalt deck. Looks great !!
Quoted from o-din:And throw in a couple buckets of KFC. They no longer make it around here like they used to.
Buckets of KFC? I have not seen a bucket in years. Around here they all look like a paper coffee cup. With no handle.
Quoted from o-din:And throw in a couple buckets of KFC. They no longer make it around here like they used to.
Buckets of KFC? I have not seen a bucket in years. Around here they all look like a paper coffee cup. With no handle.
Quoted from phil-lee:One person from a defunct Thread suggested microwaving used masks to kill virus. I believe it was cdnbacon?
There would be one important item removed before sticking it in a junk microwave (not for food).
Unfortunately this metal nosepiece cannot be removed/re-attached easily. So just chunk it in for 7 seconds at a time, you may see sparks.
Is this Scientific? Do I recommend it? Have there been any tests to prove it works?
No.
I used to work for a scientific type. We worked machine tool coolants and fluids. Those fluids had to be tested for I don't know what. There always has impurities of metal fines in the used fluid. One of the methods, hell, there only method to remove the metal fines was to cook the fluid in the microwave. That microwave would be throwing sparks as Doc would be doing something else in the lab.
Quoted from Utesichiban:Glad you feel that way so you'll stay put. Good to know you're not only arrogant but a bigot as well.
I had friends from Salt Lake that moved out here for a little while. They moved back and I went to visit. They were LDS; I am not. I liked Salt Lake with those nice wide streets. IIRC, there was a church on every corner. The city was clean and looked spiffed up.
Not long after my visit, I joined the military. One of my workmates west from New Orleans and needed some help with the driving to go visit his family. What a shock treatment. Three bars on every block. 3 or 4 cars were banged up with drunk dents. I liked Salt Lake.
Quoted from MotorCityMatt:The world needs to hold them accountable.
Watch "wuhan market | Chinese Street Food | Street Food" on YouTube
Annual rattlesnake hunt in Waynoka Oklahoma. Snakes only. Ecologically devastating. Cruelty toward the snakes. Big money maker for the area.
Quoted from OLDPINGUY:I was watching America in Color tonight, with the episode on the 1930s.
It starts with the Stock Market Drop, and the Great Depression, and the Great Dust Bowl, sending Millions to California, because there were no jobs.
I learned so much I didnt know, and now it is so freaking relative to where we likely might be,
Part of the New Deal that took us out were Govt funded Jobs, of infrastructure, Bridges, Damns, Roads,
and National Parks.
Perhaps that is what will happen, A works program to get future unemployment issues.
I dont think we will be building any new parks, we seem to be selling them off.
Keep watching. When the Great Depression hit, the ramrods and the govt. built the Boulder (Hoover) dam. The Okies got blown out of Oklahoma and hit the road to California. Route 66, you know. The early ones got in. And then the rest were met at the Cali border and turned back because Cali had no jobs. The WPA were government employees and built roads and public buildings.
The CCC was government and hired young boys/men to work environmental conservation projects. They were fed and housed and every week their paycheck was sent home to mom and dad. All in the efforts to get cash in the economy.
Wow. I stayed around the house all day long. Around 4:30pm I thought I would take a drive and see what is happening around the city. As far as Kansas goes, The Gov. has closed the schools for the rest of the year and is taking it online. shut down all kinds of businesses. And has a limited the size of gatherings to 50 people.
And then she started taking heat. Parents started bitching and whining about how it is so ridiculous; Of course, the parents problem is the same baby sitting problem hammering everybody. Our governor is Democrat. And the other side is giving nothing but grief,
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" Yet Kelly's order to close schools concerned some Republican legislators, and Senate health committee Chairman Gene Suellentrop, a Wichita Republican, called it “asinine.” He said schools could remain closed for two or four weeks, but shuttering them for the rest of the semester is overreacting.
“We are overblowing this thing,” he said. “It doesn't mean people need to be reckless, but we can't stop living.”
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" As most of the U.S. raced to get ahead of the coronavirus pandemic, conservative Republican lawmakers in Kansas moved Wednesday to limit their Democratic governor’s emergency powers, including the ability to establish quarantine zones if the need arises.
Conservatives are angry with Gov. Laura Kelly's order to close all of the state's K-12 school buildings for the rest of the spring semester. They view it both as an overreaction that is fueling panic and a sign that she's willing to have state government move aggressively into people's businesses and lives.
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You can call it whatever the fuck you want to call it but this is what is happening in this ass backwards state.
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Other than stopping to get gas, I stayed on the streets, just driving and looking around. Some businesses were closed. Some restaurants were allowing. dine in meals. The bar where I USED to play pool had a full parking lot. Traffic was lighter than usual, but there was still a lot of it;Perhaps others are out checking the scene, as was I.
Oh, yeah, I was out for 1.5 hours and came back to around 300 posts in this thread. I went through all of them, made a few comments and watched my up thumb/ down thumb ratio go to shit. 
Quoted from Who-Dey:Figures
Figures ? I don't understand. Would you have rather the documentary not have been made? To me, it shows what can happen in the country. It seemed like an honest assessment of what happened to that plant, whether anybody likes it, or not.
All I can say is that I am glad I am retired and not have to deal with this kind of crap.
I will say this from what I saw when watching it. That young Chinese guy wanted to hang some Chinese posters and the boss said, "No, when in Rome, do as the Romans do. So some US posters went up.
I can't remember but I think that factory was flying the American flag. Japanese/American Honda dealerships fly the American flag. BMW flies the American flag. Actually, I think most dealerships fly the American flag, no matter where the cars are made.
Would you like to guess/know what flags GM, and Ford fly over in China? I would, too. But I am guessing they are not flying the American flag, even though China makes those, too.
Quoted from Jaybird815:Just a thought, I wonder if the Europeans will stop with all the kissing on the cheeks after this is over.
I wonder if the Muslims in Iran will go back to their gatherings. Knowing how I hated to go to church, surely some of these guys would rather stay home, as well.
Oh my, how will they spin this?
Rand Paul tests positive for coronavirus.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/22/politics/rand-paul-coronavirus/index.html
"Kentucky Republican Rand Paul is the first US senator to test positive for coronavirus, according to a statement on Twitter.
"He is feeling fine and is in quarantine. He is asymptomatic and was tested out of an abundance of caution due to his extensive travel and events. "
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This last sentence is spooky.
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"He was not aware of any direct contact with any infected person," the post said."
Quoted from Oaken:cottonm4 the spin is that if he has no serious outcome then that is proof that this whole thing is just the common cold.
Lord Have Mercy.
Man. I step away for a day and come back to 602 new posts on 12 new pages. Y'all been busy.
I got to play some new pins yesterday (is it OK to talk about pinball ). Alice Cooper ! I want one of those. Stern Kiss. I like it. And TNA which I have played before---but there is a big difference in chucking quarters in the arcade and being invited to someone's basement for some free play action.
Quoted from RWH:To be honest the best thing this country could do at this moment to help us all is suspend the 1st amendment temporarily and begin to prosecute news outlets for irresponsible reporting.
Actually, I would feel more comfortable if Facebook and YouTube were shut down. I have pretty much always been an advocate for no censorship, but these 2 online rags have changed my opinion. At least, they got rid of Alex Jones.
Unless it is something showing me how to hammer a nail, or Scotty Kilmer banging his head on a car hood, I don't trust them.
Quoted from BobSacamano:Put in Mike Pence.I have 100x more faith in his leadership during this time.
I have been impressed with the V.P., as well. Cool. Calm. Even. Just sort of glides along.
Quoted from ForceFlow:The Michigan governor issued a stay-at-home order this morning
https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/2020/03/23/michigan-issues-stay-at-home-order-amid-coronavirus-heres-what-it-means/
https://apnews.com/159d38d92b14680b921da80376b08b46
It's coming. Get ready.
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For anyone who thinks this cannot happen here, let's talk about New Orleans after Katrina.
Quoted from BobSacamano:One thing that has really come out of the woodwork with this virus, are all the people sharing that they're in poor health or immuno-compromised. (Or that they have a loved one in that situation).
I did not realize we were so sick as a nation.
You'd think Healthcare would be the #1 issue at every ballot state/federal.
It is #1. It is called "sorry that you cannot afford any insurance. But we are sure you will figure something out. "
Quoted from RTR:It's not just young people. 1800 person church service yesterday in Louisiana. FFS.
https://www.cbs42.com/news/central-church-hosts-more-than-1800-people-amid-covid-19-outbreak/
Quoted from JodyG:200 people at a service outside Pittsburgh.
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“could possibly be, disguised in everything else, a direct attack on the church.”
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https://triblive.com/local/westmoreland/about-200-attend-hempfields-word-of-life-church-amid-cornavirus-shutdown/
Apparently, this preacher missed that part in the Bible where you are not supposed to tempt God.
Quoted from ForceFlow:Arnold Schwarzenegger has posted a few videos so far. But to be fair, not only is he a big celebrity, he is also a former state governor.
And he has what it takes to kick this virus in the ass
Quoted from Blitzburgh99:I am a true independent. Our media is terrible. I watch all three major news outlets, (In alphabetical order) CNN, FOX, and MSNBC. It is criminal what all are doing right now. First weekend of major national restrictions and there were barely any informative pieces about the actual science of the disease and/or epidemics. CNN did replay their Town Hall with Fauci over and over, but it was older news and questions. FOX did have a great piece hosted by Harris Faulkner last night about this history of epidemics and pandemics. MSNBC was most criminal with the AM Joy shows being nothing but a total Trump bashfest. The only science they mentioned was selectively used to Trump bash.
Thank you Oaken for posting this article which explains the science behind why this virus is different than others.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2020/03/biography-new-coronavirus/608338/
The media should be educating the public, not inflaming emotions. Hatred for our nation’s leadership runs deeper than their care for their fellow human. It’s sick.
The media targets for the masses. There are not that many doctors per capita that will watch sitcoms, there are not that many scientists that will watch sitcoms. Not saying the highly educated do not watch TV, but there are not that many TV viewers that will watch much of anything that is scientific or anything else that requires study and thought. So, TV markets the masses and that means they are reaching for there lowest common denominator with TV shows geared for geared for a 14 year old. And this is why we get in front to the TV and zone out.
Quoted from o-din:I've got my own solution.
When they show up next door and start up their equipment, I'll go out and say hi and start coughing all over the place.
Do it like Hollywood. Get a mouthful of egg whites and some chunks of ham and then go caught and upchuck on their equipment.
I had to make another Walmart run. Out of trashbags. 1st store was dry. 2nd was full up. Still no chicken in either store.
On way home, I passed 10-12 kids out playing touch football. I see a lockdown coming, but it will probably not happen in my town until someone dies.
Quoted from arcademojo:This is true. When the machine shop I was working at closed down to move to Mexico we had one older guy have a heart attack. Believed brought on from stress of not being able to find work and his financial situation. And another person hung himself a for same reason. These were just a couple months after the closer. This was around 2009. At that time most of the machine shops in the area had closed down or switch to CNC. There wasn't really any jobs for these older guys that had been there for most there lives.
They must have been too young to retire and draw social security. I would be willing to bet they did not have any kind of pension, either. And probably loaded up with debt.
I am fortunate. I get SS and have a pension. But I understand what it has to be like for those who don't. I was 61.5 years. I could not even get a job as a janitor. Unemployment ran out so I retired.
Quoted from chad:Allegdedly in Kansas Military base. The first case reported
https://www.kshs.org/kansapedia/flu-epidemic-of-1918/17805
Fort Riley Kansas. The Army base.
LMAO. HaHaHa.
Someone did not get the news that cannabis is not legal at the Federal level. So I doubt state governors are going are going buy in on this.
"Cannabis advocates, medical nonprofits and veterans groups are urging state governors to not shut off access to cannabis businesses.
Marijuana Policy Project, a cannabis legalization organization, drafted a pair of open letters to state governors urging them to declare cannabis operations as "essential" businesses; to adopt measures such as online ordering, telemedicine, and contactless delivery; and limit red tape on aspects such as hiring requirements and medical card renewals.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:I hope you are right man. The vibe I'm getting is these idiots want America open for business in a matter of days. That's what Laura Ingraham wants, and she calls the shots now, for each and every one of us.
Funny. And I thought it was Sean Hanity who is the Wizard pulling the levers.
Quoted from bigd1979:I have a mowing business and our state was put under restrictions today. The list actually has my job as essential and it sld be imo. I take care of 80+ apartments and houses in town. I cant imagine letting them.go and getting super overgrown as it doesn't take long for mother nature to take things back over. Overgrown places can cause their own problems with bugs, animals and trash. I work alone and keep to myself most of the time but will definitely be with all this stuff going on. People going to the grocery stores and liquor stores are more a issue than me and most landscaping companies are imo.
You should thank the leaders. They all have big yards and fat asses, and need to keep their yards tip top. They will always feather their own nests.
Several years ago, many new taxes were levied on tobacco. The tobacco tax was going to get jacked. I rolled my own at the time and I could buy a 16 oz. sack of tobacco and 400 cigarette tubes for about $14.00. Phillip-Morris (Altria) pitched a bitch about it and said the roll-your-own tobacco makers needed to pay more tax, too. It was only fair, said they. So, the leaders jacked the tax on a one pound bag of cigarette tobacco and that one pound bag now cost $50.00 with the tax. But the leaders were smart to not cut off their nose. They did not tax pipe tobacco because many of them smoked pipes; They were not going fuck theirselves with this tax grab.
It was not long that all you saw on the shelves was loose "pipe" tobacco for just a dollar or two more than the old cigarette tobacco cost. Before I finally quit smoking I smoked a lot of "pipe" tobacco.
Quoted from manadams:The media was asking Trump about months possibly into July and August and he was talking about possibly weeks for some states that are not getting hit as hard as NY and CA. You make it sound like he said in a couple of days and somehow you have no gripe about Dems holding up aid and assistance from Americans that needed it last week. Why don't we wait and see what states start easing restrictions sooner than later before you go full TDS, your in NY so they will be one of the last to follow suit anyway.
One of the sticking points is that McConnell's proposal only included 3 months of unemployment benefits for Average Joe, and millions of dollars going the big corporations with very little over sight. Basically, the money would disappear like a fart in the wind ( Stephan King-Shawshank Redemption). Some people want corporate accountability, some people want to make sure the corporation does not grab the money and then start laying off employees.
Quoted from Colsond3:Lost weight. Actually, HELL NO to both! [quoted image]
Hot Damn, Colson ! That Vampire is good looking pin. Nice work.
Quoted from Gryszzz:OVER TO YOU COTTON
Quoted from CrazyLevi:I'm going with self-checkout these days, and I HATE self-checkout.
It just seems way too difficult at the register. Everybody is on top of each other, the other customers and the cashier. The machine, yeah everybody touches it, whatever. Just do a quick sanitzer, bag, scan and pay, re-sanitize, and grab your shit. I've been twice since this started and that's how I've done it, it's way faster and the machines are spread out nicely.
I've been self-checking long time now. It is like pumping your own gas. Cash register clerks are slowly disappearing into the world of the gas pump jockeys and telephone operators.
Quoted from Colsond3:Thanks Craig! If you want a distraction or break from our daily COVID reading extravaganza....
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/bally-vampire-restoration-input-suggestions-welcome
In times of crisis...always powdercoat the rear backbox panel.
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One of my favorite movies is The Right Stuff with Ed Harris, Sam Shepard, Scott Glenn, Fred Ward. I always like that part where these military wonks would look at each other and say, "fuckin' A Bubba" ! I don't want to repeat a vulgarity in polite company, so Fn A Bubba ! You do nice work !!
Quoted from Swainer80:The US needs to lock down immediately and hard. After seeing this news report, we've been warned. This is terrifying but collectively we can be resourceful and hopefully hit the brakes.
When I look at that video and see all of those coffins, made of wood, and I ( I suppose it is strange logic) cannot help but think about how many trees are going get wiped out, as well.
Quoted from JodyG:There are way too many exemptions of the list of people allowed to stay open. Big businesses are pushing their suppliers to stay open, and some have questionable motives. Once a big chain store like Ace is allowed to be open for necessities, they push every supplier of theirs to stay open, which pushes everyone down the chain open. The cardboard box manufacturer, the truck driver, the wood skid manufacturer, the packaging plastic manufacturer, the product label manufacturer, forklift repair, etc. So now pretty much everyone is open. I hardly saw any businesses closed yesterday on my way home from work. Even the lawnmower repair place was business as usual.
A friend of mine works in the oil/air filter biz, and the big fire truck manufacturers and everyone else you can think of that uses their oil and air filters sent out pretty much the same letter.
All we are doing is allowing this to blow up worse than it needs to be. Are there that many cities out there that will be at deaths door if their new Pierce fire truck is delivered 2-3 weeks later than estimated?
This !! Will be the death of us.
Quoted from Who-Dey:And then you have these f'Ing idiots here. This is a mega church, not your typical church...its HUGE!!!
https://www.newsbreakapp.com/n/0OWSzyKA?s=a99&pd=036lRQ6C
Well, the church needs money, too.
If nobody comes to church
How can they pass the plate?
If they can't pass the plate
How are they supposed to get any money?
If they don't have any money
How can they open the doors?
If they can't open the doors
How are they suppose to get paid?
Interesting in how some of the
preachers say they can lay on hands
and keep you safe and pray it away,
but they cannot find the prayer needed
to make the collection plate fill up.
Quoted from Atari_Daze:Harris County in Texas just issued lock down effective tonight (3/25/2020) midnight.
Got my 'essential business' letter to show should it be needed. Just hope there are businesses near me that still need our products.
In the mean time I could ramp up translite creations.
OK. I think I get it now. Cities are waiting on shutting down until they have figured out who will be getting the "essential business" letter. Once those letters are out then the hammer comes down. Maybe?
Quoted from Utesichiban:Yeah, hopefully Republican leadership stands up to him and tells him to pound sand on this one. Republican or Democrat, I just think this is a bad decision from a public health standpoint.
You are confusing me ( I agree that it is not hard to do) but who is "him"? Are you wanting the Repub leadership to stand up to Graham or to the Prez? Who is "him" ?
Quoted from kstairmantis:I can't help but wonder what the real death toll was in China.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/the-closing-of-21-million-cell-phone-accounts-in-china-may-suggest-a-high-ccp-virus-death-toll_3281291.html
I went to this link and was blocked because I am not a subscriber. They want my email before letting me in. Now, every time I give my email out I wind up getting spam email for 2-3 months because every outfit lies and tells me that my information is safe with them; To which I say BS, you sold my email to line your pockets at my expense.
For this outfit, I gave a bogus email addy and was able to get in. Once in, the article was worth the read.
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Shit man, Couldn't you supply us with some magnifying glasses so we can at least get a glimmer of what is being said?
Quoted from wesman:I knew Iger stepped down, definitely a year ahead of when he had been discussing that move. I just looked up IBM and Harley, they also stepped down.
Motives, who knows? But even this article in Bloomberg describes the Harley CEO as unexpected.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-02-28/harley-davidson-ceo-steps-down-after-five-year-sales-slump
The CEO of Lockheed-Martin did resign as stated. What was left out was she resigned in 2016 !
The Harley guy resigned because of 5 years of lackluster sales.
That makes it false.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/16/lockheed-martins-hewson-to-step-down-as-ceo.html
Quoted from zr11990:Didn't think it would be so small, sorry. If you make your page bigger you can read it.
I can make the page bigger by one click but it is not big enough to read. The 2nd click makes it tiny again. I have tried it in both Apple Safari and Google Chrome. no dice.
Can you just give us the link?
Quoted from CrazyLevi:Yeah, seems to be serious concerns about giving one guy total control of a 500 billion slush fund, especially when that one guy is losing $500,000 a day because his hotels and golf courses are closed.
This kind of potential conflict of interest is exactly why a decent man like Jimmy Carter sold off his beloved peanut farm when he became president.
These days? It’s all just a big cash grab.
I never thought about that, Levi. Not only is the re-election golden ring being flung about like a cat's toy on a string to be chased, the hotel biz is in shambles. If there is no money coming in, then the hotel partners do not have the money to keep paying for the gold letters on the building. An empire could crash.
I had not thought of that.
Quoted from JodyG:Sending people back to work is a really strange way of fixing Social Security for Gen Z.
I see what you did there.
Everybody is singing praises that China locked everything down hard. On a percentage scale comparing what was to what is, China's numbers have gone down. On the scale that really counts is that China is still getting new cases. Every day. China has not managed to stop it, even with the hard lockdown.
We stil have airplanes flying back and forth all over the country.
We are...pick your euphemism.
Quoted from wrb1977:I can’t wrap my head around this comment. I guess my only response is that it will be okay cottonm4...the trees will grow back.
Yeah, but those caskets looked they were all made of some nice hardwoods that take a long time to grow. If this keeps up all that will be left are cheap pine boxes made from 2 year old pine trees. If it keeps going the only option might be in open trenches. Don't cluck cluck. It is being done in Iran. Mass graves.
Quoted from zpinman370:Here in Ontario we are being ordered to shutdown at 11:59 pm today for all but essential businesses. The thing is that the list of businesses that can stay open has 75 categories and you can find any kind of excuse to stay open including liquor, beer and pot shops. In reality its a complete joke and does barely nothing to help. I guess we are practicing the "cure cant be worse than the problem" mentality as espoused by the bubble headed blonde bimbo south of the border. We have our own here in Ontario. So sad for all of us!!
Sounds a lot when birth was given to Homeland security right after 9-11. There were 5 levels of threat. Green was all safe. Blue was safe but with caution. Yellow was not under threat but there was some some risk. Orange was we are under threat. Be cautious. Red was Go find a place to hide.
The govies did not want us to fell threatened and did not want us not relaxing and wanted us to keep shopping. so ,in typical keep everybody-satisfied-fashion they settled in on Permanent Yellow. And later on realized the farce that it was and gave it up.
Quoted from Oaken:Liberty University just welcomed back all its students from spring break(approx 50,000 undergraduates, most live on campus). Gatherings limited to 100 people or less.
This will end well.
Liberty probably has already received and spent the tuition and cant afford to give refunds. Keep the place open--no refunds. You could see some powerful praying going on at this campus.
Quoted from Zablon:That's not true. All we had was overblown media trying to create a panic over something less than the flu. /s
The sad thing is that after all this time of people finally coming to their senses, we're still middle of the roading the situation. Real lack of leadership in a time of need.
Cheer up. The country will be up and running by April. Everybody is going to be working, etc. Two weeks.
Idiots abound.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-county-commissioner-meeting-blow-dryer-up-nose-kills-coronavirus
A Florida county commissioner faced blowback after spreading a debunked claim at an emergency public meeting that sticking a blow dryer up your nose can kill the coronavirus.
“This sounds really goofy - and it did to me too — but it works,” Okeechobee County Commissioner Bryant Culpepper said at the meeting Friday.
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There is a link in the text for a movie. At 30:00 in you can hear this ol boy spew forth his words of wisdom.
Quoted from o-din:a freight train that's been gaining speed with a marshmallow
Grammer o-din. Grammer
I remember when during TV ads, the toilet paper commercials had to dance around what their product was about.
" Ladies, please don't squeeze the Charmin. To which, "OoooH, Mr Whipple.
and
White Cloud did not feel like toilet paper.
That was so 20 century.
Now, we just let all hang out. TP is BW. Plain and simple.
Quoted from Zablon:I think it is classic that Boeing has the balls to demand what bailout they want. Let them sink. There's always someone else who can take up the slack.
Not with Boeing. That's the problem. All we have are Boeing and Airbus. Boeing is the largest exporter dollar wise exporter to keep out balance on payments in check. A company that big is too big too fail. But I would much rather see Boeing sell stock the public.
Quoted from RWH:With Boeing they may not be in business long anyway, they still have to answer for those 2 planes that went down full of people due to their software.
Which brings me back to the point of when the FAA gives the all clear for the 737 Max to fly again, they are going badly need it airworthy the world around with every other country's FAA equivalent. If the 737 can fly in one country but not another it is good as still grounded.
China grounded its 737 fleet before the US finally did the same. And China just might think they will need to study the data a little more before ungrounding its fleet. That could be a big bargaining chip that China might decide to break off in someone's ass if the Virus trash talk keeps happening.
Quoted from Utesichiban:Ummm... once again, they started that trash talk with the narrative that the virus was engineered by the US military and planted in Wuhan last October at the world military games.
Some may be okay with that but I'm not. In fact as an American, it pisses me off.
It is what it is. And there is not much anyone can do about it. But if China does not go along with the FAA then it will cause difficulties for at least Boeing. I am not saying it will happen. I am just looking at possibilities.
Before we went to war with Japan we were trading partners. Before we went or war with Germany we were trading partners. It could happen again.
The one that pisses me off is that that the entire world gave all of its manufacturing business to China in the first place. In 2003 the WTO signed off on it. China. A Communist Country has turned into capitalist.
While at the same time we have 60 old embargo with Cuba, another Communist Country, that has turned into a grudge match. I cannot buy a Cuban cigar in the states. But I can travel to Canada and buy one because Canada and Cuba are trading partners. And the only reason we are not getting along with Cuba is because Florida has 27 Electoral votes, IMO.
Quoted from swampfire:Sitting in a room and quietly listening to both sides of Aqualung with nothing in our hands and a smile on our faces.
A little bit of Locomotive Breath. Yeah. Did you know that when Jethro Tull was starting out they were having a hard time getting established. And for each gig they would use different name. Finally, one night they were playing as Jethro Tull and were invited back. They went back as Jethro Tull and never looked back.
Quoted from Utesichiban:I have a feeling many countries including the US will be reconsidering the extent and depth of manufacturing and business relationships with China after this fiasco is over. Not worth the risk but something about 1.4 billion people makes it hard for some companies to resist.
The reality is a cold war between the two countries had already started before this situation. I think this will really accelerate a deeper freeze after it's over.
Our two countries outside of business ties created by US companies have little in common politically or philosophically and a decoupling I think is inevitable.
There could be a bit of problem with a kick ass attitude. Its is called natural resources. One that China is loaded up on and we are not is Rare Earth.
Here is a list of 10 countries and their place on the list. The U.S. comes in at #7. #1 is China. For most of the natural resources the U.S. uses, we have to import them. The U.S. and Quatar holds all of the world's helium.
But was far as Rare Earth, China holds all of the cards.
" America depends on China for 80% of its rare earth imports.
And what what do rare earths do?
https://geology.com/articles/rare-earth-elements/
Uses of Rare Earth Elements
Rare earth metals and alloys that contain them are used in many devices that people use every day such as computer memory, DVDs, rechargeable batteries, cell phones, catalytic converters, magnets, fluorescent lighting and much more.
During the past twenty years, there has been an explosion in demand for many items that require rare earth metals. Twenty years ago very few people owned a mobile phone, but today over 5 billion people own a mobile device. [3] The use of rare earth elements in computers has grown almost as fast as cell phones.
Critical Defense Uses
Rare earth elements play an essential role in our national defense. The military uses night-vision goggles, precision-guided weapons, communications equipment, GPS equipment, batteries, and other defense electronics. These give the United States military an enormous advantage. Rare earth metals are key ingredients for making the very hard alloys used in armored vehicles and projectiles that shatter upon impact.
Substitutes can be used for rare earth elements in some defense applications; however, those substitutes are usually not as effective and that diminishes military superiority. Several uses of rare earth elements are summarized in the accompanying table [6].
More at the link.
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https://sciencing.com/list-chinas-natural-resources-5375735.html
Mineral Resources and Raw Materials Found in China
China has extensive deposits of coal, oil and natural gas. Besides these fossil fuels, China is a top producer of aluminum, magnesium, antimony, salt, talc, barite, cement, coal, fluorspar, gold, graphite, iron, steel, lead, mercury, molybdenum, phosphate rock, rare earths, tin, tungsten, bismuth and zinc. China exports antimony, barite, rare earths, fluorspar, graphite, indium and tungsten, and it leads the world in domestic mining of gold, zinc, lead, molybdenum, iron ore and coal
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The distribution of which countries hold which resources could have had a part in why China was allowed into the WTO. I don't know this but just guessing. But China has some stuff the U.S. needs.
Who knows what the future will bring? But it could get interesting.
Quoted from goingincirclez:The saving grace for Boeing in that situation is even in long range, the 737 is still a narrowbody short-haul plane. China could say "we're not letting these in" all they want, but it's not like any were flying across the Pacific anyway. It would be a significant market lost, but one China was going to protect via IP theft anyway. Eventually no different than how for many years Russia had its own analogues to Boeing aircraft, and US / Russian planes rarely if ever crossed soil. Actually I guess that's still true, oops...
There is a paywall
https://www.wsj.com/articles/boeing-and-its-737-max-jets-have-a-china-problem-11554904340
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China was the first to ground its 737 MAX fleet. The U.S. was dead last.
https://qz.com/1569865/china-grounds-737-max-8-after-ethiopian-airlines-et-302-crash/
This link suggests that China owns 96 of the 737 MAXs. Our government is fixing to feed Boeing at lot of our tax dollars. The Prez. desperately wants Boeing back in the air. Anyone who thinks China does not have a big bargaining chip to hit him over the head with has another think coming.
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The NYT is behind a paywall but you can register and get in.
This is copy and paste. There is more at the link.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/13/business/canada-737-max.html
And the U.S. was dead last to ground the 737 MAX fleet. Trump made the call but only after Canada grounded its fleet.
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Then why are we bothering to import 80% of what we need?
Quoted from Jaybird815:BACK TO YOU COTTON
Jaybird, you are hilarious 
And I am:
But that is such a downer.
How about some Hot Tuna?
Quoted from Jaybird815:That shit ain’t made in China
No, but Fentanyl is.
Quoted from Zablon:I'm more interested in more info on this:[quoted image]
I missed that 6% ad. I went looking for it and could not find it.
But I did find this.
My attitude is if the govt. wants an equity stake for handing over gobs of money to Boeing and Boeing would rather go without the bailout money than giving up a stake in the company then go without and take a frigging leap. Just go sell some stock without crying the blues. And we all would be happier.
Quoted from kvan99:Well this is really worrisome, it tells me that won't be out of danger till we have a vaccine...too much stupidity abound.
With all of our bickering, bantering, and posturing here in 2020, I find myself wondering how it really went down for those who went through the 2nd wave in 1918-1919.
There were few cars. Few telephones. Few good roads. No mass communications. Medicine was nowhere advanced. All of that. What kind of fear did they live through? Or was the next day just another day?
I know there are no answers but it does not stop me from wondering.
Quoted from RWH:Hope you guys who find such things funny and upvote this do not get touched by this virus, we should have some funny comments then eh?
I'm sure if Crazy Levi was to kick off that some of us could have some fun with that. He would never know and would be just as dead
Quoted from OLDPINGUY:https://www.popplock.com/en
There may be some of these left, because of the world now.
Normally, people keep, but when they finish production and go up for Auction,
it is usually, a 2x to 3X price, because demand outstrips supply, and you have to be on a list.
I just sold this yesterday at auction, for just under $4K, with an $800 cost.[quoted image]
Damn. Did you find the road to riches, or what?
Quoted from Tranquilize:Looks like we have a giant aid package that just passed. I wonder if we're going to see inflation or if it will be all relative. If we do see it, I hate the fact that I'll be punished for being a good manager and saver with my finances.
I keep hearing that inflation is not a problem. That's what all of the government mouthpieces tell me. The country has succeeded in getting house prices jacked back so all of the people who were underwater in 2009 are no longer under water. Some of those are selling and a new group of replacements could wind up taking their place. But inflation is under control.
I go to the grocery store a couple of times a week. The stores all have milk priced at a $1.89 per gallon as they are busy sneaking prices up on everything else.
10 years ago, inflation was a problem, but it was hidden, not by prices going up but by package sizes going down. Cat food went from a 20 pound bag to a 16 pound bag (-25%). The price stayed the same. That is a 30% increase in unit price. It is the same for everything. A bag of chips went down in size, but the price stayed the same. And most of the items, if you did the math, the smaller package/same price worked out to about a 30% increase. But people did not notice it as much because a bag of cat food still cost $10.00.
There is not too much more room for the packages to get smaller this time around.
Compounded with this was my observation that when gas prices went up, everybody raised their prices (or smaller packages), then gas fell back in price but prices stayed the same. Then gas prices went back up and everybody raised their prices again. Then gas backed off again but prices stayed the same. Gas prices went back up ands so did prices.
Now we are at low prices on gas again. But I have noticed any prices backing off. So when gas goes back up in price, everybody will start jacking their prices again.
With this flood of money, it seems inflation will be a no-brainer, but if everybody is broke from not working it is anybody's guess.
As far as you being punished for being a saver, you have been get bent over by The Fed with 0% interest rates. Wall Street took everybody for a ride with the collateralized mortgage bonds and the savers got to help pay for that fiasco/criminal? action by low rates.
It is getting to the point that I cannot keep up with this thread. I have some pins to work on.
Here is Senator Schumer giving a breakdown on what is in this new bill.
Quoted from smalltownguy2:US is now #1 i in the world in documented COVID-19 cases.
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Yep. As expected, The US is #1.
There are over 440 posts since I was last here yesterday. I would like to tell you that I have read them all bit no one would believe me
anyway, this is something that came in my mail yesterday. Enjoy.
Of course, the part about staying home if you feel sick might be a problem if you run out of money.
Quoted from cait001:I hope this is allowed? Eeep
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It will be interesting to see who will right, when it is all over.
Quoted from Pablito350:Following up on my earlier post. Here's Cuomo's briefing today. Overall very informative, but if you want to see a heck of a speech to workers, jump to 35 minutes. It starts about there.
Nice video. Thank you. I did catch this; It went by real fast. It feels strange to see a military gathering with that much space between the soldiers. When I was in the military it was always shoulder-to-shoulder or nuts-to-butts.
Quoted from o-din:Looks like business as usual to me.[quoted image]
O-din, I have been wanting a 1957 Ford station wagon for years. That green and white one in this pic would do just fine. Of course, that '58 Chevy just behind it would be OK, too. 
330 posts since my last visit.
Amazing how all of our troubles have been replaced with this virus.
1) Global Warming? What's that?
2). Air pollution has magically disappeared from the lexicon.
3) Were there some riots in Hong Kong not to long ago?
4) high gas prices.
5) Carbon footprint? The airliners are flying the heavy jets at 20%-30% capacity. That's a lot of wasted carbon.
6) Will I get a government check for not being able to work?
I suppose there are other items that have been kicked off the front pages, but these are the ones I can think of.
With regard to the airline bailout, I find this interesting.
Airlines have cut back on the number of flights because of weekend demand. But read where some of the flight are only 20-30% full. That 's waste of fuel. I mean it is what it is but gas is being wasted.
The bailout package is this:
"The Senate's bailout package, which deals with the economic crisis caused by the coronavirus, will give airlines $25 billion in direct grants as long as they agree not to place any employees on involuntary furloughs or discontinue service at any airports they now serve until at least the end of September. Another $25 billion is available for loan guarantees."
I can see where the airlines need to keep paying their employees. No problem with that. But the (if this article is correct) requirement that they cannot discontinue any future service at any airports they currently serve. I understand this; Herculean efforts are being applied to keep the lines of transportation open. But if demand were to fall further, there is the possibility of a lot of empty airplanes flying around wasting gas on my taxpaying dime.
IMO, we will be seeing many strange things going on with so much government money floating around. Accountability will be lacking.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/27/business/airlines-bailout-outlook-coronavirus/index.html
The governor of Kansas has put the entire state on shutdown. Essential stuff only. Food. Medical. Go take care of family member. etc.
Here is the scary part. Our previous governor did not sign Kansas up for the Medicade expansion that was coming around with Obamacare. And all of the government money being spent does not look like is helping some people in this state. We have people who are sick but not getting tested because they cannot afford to get tested.
https://www.kansas.com/news/coronavirus/article241558646.html
" As the single mother of a daughter with a congenital heart defect and compromised immune system, Melissa Dodge is taking every precaution she can to limit her exposure to COVID-19.
She’s cut her hours at the grocery store where she works in Derby, Kansas. When she comes home, she doesn’t touch any of her four children before changing her clothes.
Worries about illness aren’t new for Dodge, 35. She doesn’t have health insurance, and getting sick means having to calculate the risk of skipping a doctor’s visit versus paying out of pocket. The coronavirus pandemic has amplified those concerns..."
But Dodge is caught in the triple bind that ensnares thousands of working poor in Kansas and Missouri. She makes too much from her part-time customer service job at the grocery store to qualify for Medicaid herself. She makes too little to buy insurance through the federal health care exchange, and she works too few hours to receive benefits from her employer.
Dodge is one of roughly 130,000 Kansans and 200,000 Missourians who would be covered by Medicaid if their states had expanded eligibility under the Affordable Care Act. The change would cover adults who make up to 138% of the federal poverty line — an income of a little more than $17,600 for a single adult, or $42,300 for a family of five like Dodge’s. "
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" James Owens, a 51-year-old father of two, has Medicaid, but whether he keeps it each month comes down to a few hundred dollars.
He does handyman jobs for clients around Kansas City, but “unfortunately I report my income honestly.” That means the harder he works, the more likely he’ll earn too much to qualify for Medicaid.
Since the outbreak, all of Owens’ business has dried up. The bills haven’t. “I had work lined up, but it all canceled. I had a couple commercial jobs, too, and again economic uncertainty led to them canceling,” he said.
“When this is over, I need to catch up. I still have to pay my other bills. I’m gonna have to work my butt off to catch up on bills,” Owens said. “So I know I will lose my Medicaid again. There’s no doubt about that. I’m gonna lose my Medicaid coverage because I have to pay bills accrued during this economic shutdown.”
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There is more of the same at the link.
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Quoted from skink91:Any biomedical devices intended for human use need to pass FDA regulations. This involves not only the original research, development/verification and manufacture of but also the preclinical and clinical trials associated with the device(s). It is an expensive process. Complicated doesn’t always mean expensive, but regulatory considerations ALWAYS means expensive.
Quoted from skink91:You tell me where it says that FDA regulations have been suspended... what company would be willing to open themselves up to the ensuing lawsuits?
Nope.
Quoted from Jaybird815:But the DPA was enacted, they won’t have much of a choice if companies pussyfoot like GM did.
They are going to fast track this stuff. Count on it. I have read where the company that makes these ventilators does not really want to share its high-profit low-volume secrets with anyone else and Gm did not want to participate but Trump said they will be participating.
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And then you have Dyson, the UK vacuum cleaner company that is showing others how it is done.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/dyson-to-make-15000-ventilators/ar-BB11JYpr
" Dyson said the company had designed and built an entirely new ventilator, called the "CoVent," since he received a call 10 days ago from UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson."
"A spokesperson for the company, which is best known for its vacuum cleaners and hand dryers, said the ventilators would be ready by early April.
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Ten frigging days with a new design. Ready in early April. And this, from a billionaire, in a country with socialized medicine. And over here, nobody seems to be able to get their thumb out of their ass.
Got a medium?? profile death. CFO from Jeffries Group has died.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/29/investing/jeffries-cfo-coronavirus/index.html
" The chief financial officer of Jefferies Group LLC, Peregrine "Peg" Broadbent, has died from coronavirus complications, the company said in a statement Sunday.
Broadbent, who was 56-years-old, had served as CFO of the financial services company since 2007. The company has appointed Teri Gendron, CFO of Jefferies Financial Group, as the interim CFO and chief accounting officer of Jefferies Group (JEF)..."
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I'm still waiting for some politician to make the horizontal news.
Quoted from Daditude:I caught a bass before that had a baby copperhead in it's stomach. I've also caught a bass that had eaten a bird. I'm not sure how those 2 things came to be, but I will tell you that a bass will eat ANYTHING.
Except for the lures that I throw out
Just like in the military, it is the soldiers that are on front lines risking their lives. All for a living wage. That could wind up killing you.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/30/economy/shipping-company-workers-coronavirus/index.html
I salute these people who have little choice in what they are having to do and for putting their lives at risk.
Meanwhile, the privileged get to play.
"David Geffen flaunts riches while under quarantine on luxe yacht."
https://pagesix.com/2020/03/28/david-geffen-flaunts-riches-while-under-quarantine-on-luxe-yacht/
Too many posts to follow. I read a few and got to Forceflow's "we are stepping up the moderation, you have been warned post." It is funny to scroll along and see who is thumbing up and who is thumbing down. Some you have real thin skin and the slightest bit of humor sure seems to piss some of you off.
This youtube movie got everybody laughing 17 years ago. Maybe there is still some juice to be squeezed from it.
Quoted from cait001:All the power to the workers that keep our society humming. You deserve safety and a living wage as the bare minimum.
South of the border, I imagine having some health insurance would be nice. Hopefully, no one gets stuck with a big bill and if they do, hopefully they don't have to deal with some outfit that is out-of-network, which would really jack up the prices.
Quoted from Pickle:So what really grinds my gears about this whole stimulus package is I pay taxes just like everyone else.....you know what I get....NOTHING, NADA, ZILCH....why because someone decides if you make X amount you don’t qualify. Why should I even pay taxes if I get no benefit from it when I could use it just like most others....I don’t make hundreds of thousands or millions...those folks could care less about $1200. Was not married when I filed my taxes but I am now and I know what she makes and we would have qualified and gotten $2400....WTF!!! It makes no sense. Pisses me off...throwing money at people is not the answer anyway....
I really cannot figure out what you are talking about, other then you will not be getting some of this govt. money. Something about you and your wife is al I can make of it.
Quoted from Pickle:There are better things the government can do with that money to take care of the people.
Such as?
Quoted from PantherCityPins:Fat chance of that around here. My last speeding ticket was about 6 years ago. I was driving to the hospital to see a patient who was actively coding. I sped up to pass a car and the cop was sitting right where the speed limit went from 50 to 45. He gunned me doing 53 in the 45 as I passed the car. He pulled me over, I explained I was a physician on my way to the hospital in an emergency and showed him my ID badge. His response? "License and registration sir."
What an a-hole.
Around here that are called hot-head tickets. A cop missed getting a speeder because I was coming from the wrong direction and he got PO'd and wrote me a ticket. I went down town and saw the assistant DA. I told what happened and she signed me off. I had a cousin on the force at the time and he told me I got a hot-head ticket.
You get ticketed again on a coding run, I would implore you to go downtown and talk about it. Might work, might not, but you have to ask. All that can be said is "no".
Quoted from Utesichiban:I think they would have better off getting this money to unemployment agencies to ensure it gets to the right people. Those being people losing jobs right now that may have problems paying for rent/mortgage and/or food.
Fiscal responsibility is not a prime part of this On-Steriods money pump. If you filed with the IRS last year, then The Federals have all the info. they need to send a direct deposit to your bank. No muss. No fuss. It will be fast--well as fast can be--it gets some walking around money into the hands that need it. And even then, they say 3 weeks.
It is not state-unemployment. It is Federal. A gift. It will not go far in New York but there are a lot of places in the midwest where $1200.00 will put a roof over a frugal person for 3 to 6 months.
Add the state unemployment agencies into the mix, trying to get up to speed while adding another layer of govt. and confusion to the dog pile, and you will watch time slow down. And those people losing jobs right now will get to wait a little longer. And also cross their fingers that they "are one of the right people".
The Federals way of doing this is the way to get the best bang for the buck. Simple. One transaction. From the U.S. Treasury to your bank account. No questions asked.
Nothing is 100%. Some people are going to get lost in the dust. There will need to be work arounds.
One transaction is simple. And easy to trace.
Quoted from cottonm4:a lot of places in the midwest where $1200.00 will put a roof over a frugal person for 3 to 6 months.
Quoted from Daditude:Really? I need to find a place like that.
Frugal people don't own pinball machines.
Quoted from flynnibus:No odd... an obvious attempt to try to create credibility.... reason enough to not even watch the video
if you ever get a chance, try to get someone to give you a tour of one of your local TV channels where you can see a TV set for a news show. On TV, it looks all glittery and upscale. But up close you will see some of the backdrops are held together with scotch tape. The news caster is sitting there with his/her jacket and tie on while below desk level he is wearing a pair of Bermuda shorts and flip flops. And on either side of the set, you will see the brick walls of what is basically a warehouse building.
You cannot go by the backdrop and pass a decision about this guy. Some of the doctors' offices I have been in were barely big enough for the two of us. You can't go by with what you see on the camera. The guy was not in his office when this video was made. but no one can tell where he was at.
Something about pinball. And the economy.
I had been viewing a particular part (new parts) on Ebay from a name brand pinball part seller. Ebay has just sent me an email that this seller is offering me a 48 hour buy it at a a 5% discount. I don't know if this shop's business has slowed down, or if he has too much in inventory for this particular part. I have no clue at all about this 5% discount offer.
But I think it is strange to even get a discount. This guys is usually pretty stiff with his prices.
I have no opinion. Just passing this on.
Quoted from flynnibus:Missing in your whole comparison is the key point... the point that the backdrop is INTENTIONALLY CONTRIVED. It's setup to project some image or thought. That's the point. If you're doing that in your youtube video... it's because you're trying to project something.
TV stations do the same - but for different reasons. If you found a TV station trying to roll images of 'credibility' or 'awards' in their backdrop... you'd probably have similar skepticism on why...
True enough. I was not looking at it that way. And it was me who said I did not trust youtube or Facebook..
Quoted from flynnibus:Want to start a ruckus in a bar full of rednecks? Play 4-5 songs of hip hop or rap in a row... or maybe some latin music.
Not everyone 'prunes' their internet jukebox fully...
The bar, where I used to play pool at has one of these new fangled juke boxes. You can download an ap for your phone and buy the music you want to hear just by your using your cellphone. But there are several bars around town with these electronic juke boxes and you can choose which box you are buying music for. The barmaids buy shitty songs for their competitors jukes .
Quoted from iceman44:Btw, planning for death is part of life.
I did a bunch of Wills and Trusts last week for the procrastinators
I suggest you guys get your estate planning done. Especially you Levi
Always a way to make a buck in the world of finance 
Screw it. I have been voluntary homebound for 3 weeks now. Except to go to Walmart for groceries.
I just got of the phone with my girlfriend who I have not seen for 3 weeks. Short story: 21 days at home. I should be purified. But as soon as I get out and go to Walmart I put myself at risk. Again.
Screw that. This is just slow suicide.
I don't know the solution for groceries or medicine, or TP, but I agree with one Wall Street guy. The country needs to shut down for 30 days and get cleaned out. Otherwise, this just drags on. And on. And your only hope is that summertime kills the virus off.
This "flattening the curve" is BS. That is trying to find relief for the health providers. But as long as this virus is around, flattening the curve is just going to make it last longer.
Shut down the borders. Hard ! Cancel ALL incoming flights. Cancel ALL local flights. Shut the busses down. Shut it all down.
And it may take martial law to make it happen.
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Partially related: Only essential business can remain open. So this shuts down bookstores. This shut down Gamestop. This shuts down bicycle shops etc.
But Walmart get to stay open because it is an essential business that sells groceries, pet food, and pharmaceuticals. OK. I get that. But Walmart also sells bicycles, jewelry, toys,CDs, and DVDs and all kinds of other product not considered essential but Walmart gets a free ride at the expenses of speciality retailers because it sells groceries. Not fair.
Quoted from iceman44:I don’t trust projections. Always skewed for the worst case scenario BUT Ok
We have a little bit in common. I don't trust Wall Street analysts whose only mantra is " this stock is a buy. It will only go up". And then when it tanks to $2.00 per share they finally say "sell" but only very quietly on page 6 below the fold.
Quoted from iceman44:208 deaths in Canada thus far.
And less than an hour later, Canada added another 23 for a total of 231. I'll extrapolate that as an hourly rate. 23 per hour. At this rate, in 24 hours another 552 will be added. We'll see.
Quoted from iceman44:You guys can stress out all you want but when it’s over soon we are going back to normal.
I really hope you are right, but so far your prognostications have not exactly been of the steller variety.
Quoted from loneacer:That Koontz book is hot right now. When I first heard about it I bought up all I could find. I've sold around 70 at an average price of $60ish. Got my first hardcover one yesterday and flipped it in minutes for $115.
Wow!
Quoted from CrazyLevi:My aunt, who lives in downtown NYC near the brooklyn bridge, felt terrible the other day, tired, trouble breathing...
She went to the hopsital. Spent 45 minutes in waiting room, as families full of people coughing keep crowding into the waiting room. She and her husband decided enough was enough and they left.
This scene is probably repeating itself everywhere, with people who need medical attention not getting it because of this, or being exposed to dozens of potential corona patients while they wait for a doctor to see them.
My aunt was worse the next day, they finally called 9/11. She's lucky - she got a hospital bed. She's being treated now for an enlarged heart and it's a total nightmare, she's freaked out and not happy to be in the hospital, even if it's one of the world's best heart care hospitals.
Long story short - this sucks ass, and it's NOT just about "corona." This is affecting every single part of our already overwhelmed health care system, and all patients and potential patients regardless of their issue.
Sorry Levi,
Real sorry to hear this.
We are moving into triage medicine. Combat medicine. "He's not going to make it. Take the machine off of him and put it on this guy over as he has a better chance of surviving."
Quoted from loneacer:I love jigsaw puzzles, but after finishing this one a couple years ago it burned me out.[quoted image]
That Black Cat looks tough. And cool.
I ran into this now vintage puzzle in the 80's in a hospital waiting room. I did not last too long.
Brand New* VTG 1982 Hoyle Hay In A Needle Stack Jigsaw 550 Piece Hard Puzzle
Quoted from goingincirclez:The problem is, in many cases landlords still have their own obligations to pay upstream. It's easy to pin landlords as evil as if they own the buildings free and clear... and while that may be true in some cases, it's far more likely that the landlord needs the rent to pay his own mortgage, insurance, utilities, security, etc on the building. So tenant negotiates with landlord... landlord negotiates upstream... etc etc etc...
The real keyholders in all this mess are the banks. Sadly you don't hear them promoting calm and amnesty and stimulus and forbearance now, do you?
In 2008, the banks were a big part of the problem. Now I read the banks are healthy.
But I agree with you. No rent to the landlords means no payments to the banks. And now the banks will have problems, too.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:As union density has dropped, so has pay, benefits, quality of life, etc. Hard not to see the correlation.
There’s a reason big business / rich people hate unions, and is not because they care about the welfare of their workers.
My 2 cents. This seems like a political discussion however so I’d guess we shouldn’t make a big thing out of this.
Levi, I am going to relate a story I read years ago, in Readers' Digest, of all places. I think I can do it without getting political. All I can remember is that the name of the story was "Mother is gone". My mom had this issue of RD at her house in 1979 or 1980. I had just started my job at Boeing Aircraft a few months before. Boeing was union; I had mixed feelings about that. Through the years I have tried to find this issue of RD with no success, so I can't back up what I am saying.
The author's mom had died, he wrote about his life, and RD picked it up.
He talked about how his grandfather was a carriage driver for a steel magnate/tycoon. I'll paraphrase.
" It was winter. Bitter cold. One day, as the carriage driver/grandfather was transporting the magnate around the property, the carriage stopped and the boss and driver started watching some workers huddled up to a fire an a barrel to stay warm. In a little bit, the doors to the coke furnace were opened and these men starting shoveling coal/coke into the furnace. Heat blasted out from the doors and in a little bit the men took off their coats. Eventually, they are bare waisted and sweating as they continued to feed the fire. When they were done, they closed the doors and starting putting their clothes back on over their sweating bodies.
The author's grandfather said to the magnate that "It seems that many of the men would catch their death from the cold." To which the magnate replied, " Many of them do, but there are more of them where they came from."
As stated, I cannot find the article so I can not support any of what I just said. Be that is it may, reading this article is what opened my eyes and I have been pro-union ever since.
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There have been only two steel magnates in this country that I know of. One was Andrew Carnegie. The other was J.P. Morgan, who Carnegie sold out to. And I have always wondered who the magnate that was being written about.
Quoted from mcluvin:Per stats from last year, ~70% of new car loans were 6 years or more. If you were financing a car for a term greater than 5 years, I’d guess your finances were already somewhat precarious. Are they offering any car payment relief?
Car loans used to be for 36 months. And in the early 70s Detroit was putting out junk. A popular bumper sticker at the time was, "This car self destructs after the 36 payment.
In the early 80s, Detroit was working to clean up its act. It starting working toward making better cars. Whether they succeeded in doin that in the 80s is a point of debate. Nevertheless, Detroit started working to up its game. And what happened is that car prices doubled. In 1983, a midsize sedan would cost you around $7000.00. IN 1984, the same car was now priced at $14,000.00. It was called sticker shock.
And car financing left the 36 month program in the dust. I think the next payment schedule was 48 months in an effort to keep the monthly payments down. And more and more pollution control items were added and the prices went up. Government mandates caused prices to increase even more. etc.
Also, in the 80s, car leasing became the big thing as a way to make a car affordable for Joe Suburb. But leasing can be a big trap for Joe if he does not pay attention to the leasing contract.
So now we are living with car payment schedules of 6 years plus in an effort to keep the monthly payments "affordable". With out creative financing there is no way the automakers could survive.
Is the government helping with car payment relief? I don't know. But it will suck for a lot of people if they lose their car because they lost their job.
That is a good question you ask.
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I was in the used car biz in the early 90s. And every once in awhile, at the dealer only auction, it would be repo sales day when the banks would bring all of the cars they repossessed for non-payment. There would be a couple of hundred repo's coming through.
Bankers like to present this genteel appearance with neckties and manicured fingernails, but the bankers that work in car financing can get down and dirty with the best of the repo men.
SIDEBAR to the above. It has been almost 20 years ago that my uncle and I were out west in Sydney, Nebraska., the town where Cablela's was founded. I was walking around looking at all of the fishing boats and trailers. They are priced at something like "just $130.00 per months/ for 120 months.
120 months is 10 years. 10 years of boat payments. I cannot imagine.
Quoted from chad:I know they have been struggling for what seems an eternity , but could the bug finally break the USPS??
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/us-postal-service-could-shut-down-by-june-lawmakers-warn/ar-BB125w?lBBnbfcL
You got me to thinking. My quantity of junk mail, that is the post office's bread and butter, has gone way done in the last few weeks.
Quoted from Cmjb13:I’m not a big fan of unions at all.
I believe it was Hostess many years back that had 2 half empty/half full trucks but union rules stated that they couldn’t consolidate into 1 truck to save money? How insane is that?
I believe it was also Hostess who warned that the factory would close and everyone would lose their job if the union members didn’t agree to concessions. They refused and all lost their jobs.
Quite a few years ago, one of the local beef packers put the same deal to the workers who were planning to vote to strike. They voted to strike and the company closed up shop and moved father west to Dodge City. They reopened and hired immigrant labor from Mexico.
All of the beef packers along I-30 in Nebraska employ immigrant labor from Mexico.
All of the roofers around here are Mexican labor and the boss will be an English speaker.
And you are right about Hostess.
And some times the unions bosses look to feather their own nests. They would rather a weaker company would shut down and leave the workers hanging instead of being a threat to the pattern bargaining practices.
Quoted from Mr68:If I get two or more pieces of junk mail that included postage paid return envelopes, I swap the contents into each envelope and drop them in the mail.
(I don't but its a fun idea)
I used to do that. I would open the mail and stuff it all into the prepaid envelope and sent it all back.
My best one to date (I think) is I kept getting these mails that wanted charge me money to insure that myself if my electric meter or electric cable from the pole went bad. Just $5.95 per month and all your troubles will go away. And every mail would have the logo of my electric company printed on the advertisement.
There was some talk in the local paper about it because my electrical company was endorsing this leech of a company. I figured some enterprising executives figured out a way to make theirselves some risk free income. How many times have you ever had to replace your meter or the cable running to it? It smelled like a racket to me.
So, I returned their mail and included a note, " It really pisses me off that my electric company has crawled into bed with you cockroaches." I have not heard from them since 
Quoted from mcluvin:Just watched 60 Minutes. Per an interviewee, credit cards are deferring 90 days. The auto loan holder says FU!
Credit cards don't have much choice. People will declare bankruptcy. Cars, OTOH, on a relative scale, are easy to repossess.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:I keep hearing about "a light at the end of the tunnel."
I just watched that PBS Vietnam doc...leaders of France and the US said that exact phrase many times over the course of that 20-year war. Just stuck with me so a little disconcerting to see it being thrown around lately.
I read Lee Iacoca's book years ago where he talked about his trials and tribulations of running Ford Motor Company.
He said, "Every time I thought I saw light at the end of the tunnel, is was just another train coming to get me".
Quoted from cait001:It's probably fair to note that TheBlaze is not a Wikipedia-deemed reliable news source and anything there should be taken with deep scientific skepticism.
I want it to be true but anecdotal evidence won't be enough to make it a real medical solution.
EDIT: what pinball_gizzard said!
The Blaze is Glenn Beck's baby.
Quoted from FYMF:They literally just repaved my entire subdivision and while the dust was a giant PITA it is so worth it cruising around on that fresh fresh.
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I'm thinking you probably have a good idea of the history of the Amphicar, but just in case you don't, President Johnson had an Amphicar.
Nice score.
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https://www.nps.gov/lyjo/planyourvisit/presidentialvehicles.htm
Quoted from Luckydogg420:I think that a good middle man should add value. Not just inflate price.
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A very good friend of mine used to flip pinball machines. Buy a game, talk down the seller a couple hundred bucks. Play it for 2 weeks then sell it for hundreds more then the previous transaction. He didnt fix the games up. He didnt love pinball. He was just in it for profit. Really pissed me off
I'm glad hes no longer into pinball. Hes now flipping '80s Mustangs.
Thats' better than a guy I knew 30 some years ago. He took a 1957 Corvette in nice condition, running and driving, partied it and sold all of the parts. ALL of the parts. Then he sold the empty body shell and someone was going to have to chase parts to make it a complete car again. He made some money.
I thought we were peaking. I read where we had 3 days in a row is less deaths. To me, it look like the trend is still intact. What am I not seeing?
Assume, just assume, that the worst of this is over. How will you change your life? What will you do different?
Are you going start flying again?
What about a cruise ship?
Will you be buying a new $1,000.00 iPhone?
Will you be buying a new car?
Are you going to have a job to go back to?
Are you just going to keep hunkering down and hoard all of your money, or what money you have left?
In short, what will you be doing to help propel the economy back to health?
Quoted from jlm33:Yes - no choice.
No f***ing way !! Would probably decline even if it was a gift...
OK. So I assume you are flying for business.
What do you think about all of this tele-computing stuff going on as a substitute for pressing flesh. ? Is a virtual handshake going to replace actual face-to-face? Any chance at all? We all know that the airlines needs the mothers' milk the business traveler provides by booking at the last minute.
Does this tele-commuting have a snowball's chance of replacing an across country flight?
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Tell me this.
China has a population of 1.3 billion. The US has a population of 327 million.
Why do we suck so bad when compared to a country that has 4 times our population?
Quoted from o-din:The mother of my daughter, who she still lives with, fell ill last week.
Taken to an urgent care on Thursday, she was tested and diagnosed with the flu and sent home with Tylenol. Saturday she was admitted to the hospital, and although test results not back as of yesterday, they are treating it like Covid-19. She is on a ventilator suffering multiple organ failure and the prognosis is not good. They are not expecting her to make it. The have her on dialysis as well hoping for the best.
She had some underlying heath issues over the last few years that have made her susceptible. My daughter has no symptoms.
Sorry, man.
Quoted from rwmech5:I've seen reports the numbers are 10-40x higher than reported.
Where are you seeing these reports? Got a link, please?
Quoted from cottonm4:This entire thread is turning into a Facebook page.
I get to read about your cooking, your puzzles, your booze, baseball, etc.
I think I'll go put a sheet of cookies in the oven. They should be ready in 20 minutes.
Quoted from Wickerman2:Don’t forget all the cat pics...
The cookies are done. And boy, they sure are good. Sweetie Pie twitches her tail in approval
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My Ebay package just arrived. So between playing pinball, working on pinball, and eating cookies, this evening I think I will add some Jim Beam to some 7UP, kick back, shut my pie hole, and pretend I am getting my ass chewed by none but the best.
Quoted from pinballOsp:I have never ignored pinsiders at a faster rate than this thread.
And my faith in America has never been more challenged. It isn't as much the lies spread from above... it's the percentage of the population that stubbornly believes them and ignores ALL scientific fact.
There is only one other country I have lived in that behaved the same way: Kenya. Where you could show up with scientific evidence to explain AIDS and why one should use condoms and people would still visit the village elder and follow his/her advice. And obviously the result is not so good.
I always knocked on China for believing the propaganda but aren't we actually worse? We have theoretical freedom of the press... and people believe horseshit anyway.
I am so befuddled.
You have been watching too much Sean Hanity.
Quoted from TheFamilyArcade:Look on the bright side, I have no more room for error. I’ve got so many zingers saved up that I can’t use here, I’m thinking about opening an online store and selling bumper stickers, coffe mugs and and t-shirts! And jigsaw puzzles!
And why didn’t Levi get an @?
Did I hear you say Joe Izuzu for president? It sounds like something you would say
Quoted from Deaconblooze:That's a dangerous way to use "statistics".
You hear people say things like "most accidents happen close to home". What's that mean? That means that you spend most of your time at home. Does that mean that living your life in a hotel away from your home will make you safer? No, it doesn't. Correlation does not equal causation. Please remember that.
I'm not willing to throw out statistics without serious consideration first, so I'm not going to do that. I will ask that you consider what the numbers for Covid may look like for people should they expose themselves to potentially dangerous environments as they do travel their stairs or take short trips in their cars.
As many have pointed out, we don't have a lot of data for this virus yet. People need to be patient and listen to the medical community.
When I was growing up in the 60s, the interstates were being built, the cars were getting fast then even the fast ones in the 50s. Many peoples driving skills left a lot to be desired.
In 57'-58' when I was five, the first driving commercials were cartoons. Not actually cartoons, but artists renderings. Iy was about the the risks when pulling out to pass another car. I remember it fairly well. The right hand side of the road was "traveling" up on the TV screen. There were several small black boxes representing automobiles moving up the highway. One of the cars pulls out to pass and runs into a single vehicle moving the opposite direction.
In the early 60s we started being told to "watch out for the other" guy. There were all kinds of scenes with crashes and near misses with that tag line "watch out for the other guy".
At the same time, the conventional "wisdom" of the people was that if you were to die in a car wreck it was because you were on some sort of trip and away from home. I/we/us did not think in terms that you could leave the house and get slammed 3 blocks from home. So, we had to be educated that most accidents happened less than 25 miles from home.
We also got the "put your hands on the 10 and 2 position on the steering wheel. Airbags changed it to 9 and 3.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:Usually when someone says "this is my last word on this" they don't immediately follow it up with more posts that say the exact same thing.
All I can say is not everybody is as smart as you and as wonderful a negotiator. The best way for low-medium wage earners at supermarkets, retail stores, poultry plants, coal mines and dozens of other industries to get better pay, better benefits, and most importantly, a voice on the job to help with scheduling, health and safety issues, and everything else is a union.
It's not just about pay...in fact these days, that's often the least important issue. You can't "negotiate" what really matters - protection on the job, representation on the job whenever there is an issue, and a legal contract that spells out what you are owed, how you can be disciplined, seniority, etc.
THis is my last word on this! (until the next 10 posts before lunch)
I just saw this post.
One effective means of controlling the help is rotating schedules. On Monday you might be schedule for 8am to 4pm. On Tuesday, your schedule changes to 10am to 4pm. On Wednesday, you are back for 8pm to 2am. And then you have to be back for the 8am shift again. Kansas is an at will state, meaning if you don't kiss the boss's ass just right he can send you packing at any time. You are stuck at a part time job that takes up all kinds of your time and there are no benefits.
Or you wind up like my neighbor who use to work for Target. He was a cashier for a number of years and got continued raises. And then it turned into he was making too much money and his hours were cut back as the manager replaced him with new hires for minimum wage. Finally, when they cut him down to 4 hrs per week, he left.
Quoted from cait001:1970 dead in one day in USA. damn.
Wyoming still the only state without a single death due to COVID-19.
US: 400,335 total cases, 33,331 new cases. At this rate, we will be a "Woodstock half a million strong--CSN" in 3 days.
It boggles the mind.
Quoted from PantherCityPins:Yeah I would just encourage some temperance on the hydroxychloroquine question. It might be helpful for a subset of patients, it might be helpful combined with specific other drugs, it might not be helpful at all. We need more data which should be coming in the next week or two.
Doctors are using this medication in COVID-19 patients so we will know shortly what the deal is with it. I think it’s safe to say it’s not a miracle drug or we would already be hearing about miracles across the country with it. My guess is that it will be shown to be helpful in a subset of patients but not everyone.
I’m not saying it shouldn’t be studied and I’m not even saying that doctors shouldn’t use it in COVID-19 patients after discussing the risks and benefits. I’m just saying these few physicians who are going on TV and saying it’s curing 100% of patients are either trying to get famous or trying to support the President politically. Even if they saw an effect in their small set of patients, every doctor knows how medical research is done and every doctor knows that small numbers of patients can not be counted on to make a decision on a therapy.
Sensitive questions: I have a cousin who is an MD. He has told me some "inside" stories. I used to mechanic on cars. And there are some mechanics I would not give a little red wagon to for them to repair.
Is it possible these TV docs did not graduate at the top of the class? That they are more charlatans and showmen than physicians. Did you have some idiots in your medical classes that leave you scratching your head as to how they managed to get into Med School in the first place?
Quoted from Atari_Daze:I'm not saving on my fuel consumption but tolls around here have been waived, I'm saving time and funds on my commute these days however!
Gawd. Texas toll roads. Just a gimme to some private industry types. Some places you can hardly drive in Dallas-Ft. Worth without incurring $10.00 in fees for a day's run.
Quoted from Daditude:Anyone else's car getting 3 weeks to the gallon right now?
Quoted from Jaybird815:I haven’t started mine in about 4 weeks, my company car was filled about 3 weeks ago and is still half full.
Quoted from chad:It is nice !!
I have been to the grocery store 4-5 times. And took two drives around the city to see what things look like. Last time I was out gas was down to $1.60 per gallon. And the last time I gassed up was 4 weeks ago and that was just to top off.
Quoted from goingincirclez:I have a 1975 Lincoln Mark IV so the refineries aren't out of work juuuust yet.
You still driving one of those 20th Century dinosaurs? I use to have a Mark V. Loved everything about it but the gas mileage.
I used to drive to Dallas all the time. It cost me $70-$80 round trip for gas. Then I got a Honda Civic. $18.00 round trip. It was an eye opener.
Quoted from goingincirclez:Well, it's our "toy" and occasion car and there's an interesting / too-long story of how & why I acquired and resurrected it. Objectively, I love and hate it at the same time... it was a wholly indefensible, cynical, incomprehensibly space-wasting pile even in its day. Today, it's an anachronism which is why I put up with it. Plus, it rides soooooo buttery "what garbage infrastructure?" smooth. And it has FOUR cigar lighters, ha! Oh, and I adore the color scheme on this one, which actually ends up being really rare for these cars.
Despite its many faults, it's all original with 82K miles and people really seem to enjoy seeing it.
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Because I'm an effing moron, I actually got it running just before the Great Recession, when gas spiked to $4+ a gallon. Filled up the tank for a C-note and barely made it from Frankfort to Louisville and back because I hadn't yet figured out how to tune its abortion of a carburetor. Eye-opening, indeed...
I've since had it as high as 16mpg in ideal conditions. Typical around town is all of.... 8, at best.
Your Mark IV is a beauty. I liked everything about mine but the gas mileage. Built like a tank. They were.
Quoted from Jaybird815:Fuckin Illinois Bastard
Jeez. AFA to learn. 
But FIB is a good one.
Quoted from Jaybird815:A California boy buyin Wisconsin cheese?
The best cheese I ever got to taste was Government Issue. I don't know was making that stuff for Uncle Sam but it was good.
Quoted from wrb1977:I love my 20th Century dinosaur! 1970 Plymouth road runner...I’ve owned it since 1997 and not once did I ever care about the gas mileage!!! [quoted image]
Ahh. ..Mopar !
Quoted from Wickerman2:Rural hospitals closing, next wave of covid expected to hit those communities.
https://www.shepscenter.unc.edu/programs-projects/rural-health/rural-hospital-closures/
https://www.npr.org/2020/04/09/829753752/small-town-hospitals-are-closing-just-as-coronavirus-arrives-in-rural-america
The hospital my GF worked at closed up shop 4 weeks ago. It is a longer story but one part of the closing was related to Kansas not signing up for the Medicaid expansion. The company that bought the hospital 2 years ago also owns 2 other hospitals. I told GF that the owners saw this shit coming and said noway nohow. The little town is is terrified and has been on lockdown for 2 weeks now. No one knows when the shutdown will be lifted.
GF's son is a licensed massage therapist who has been working 10 years and built a nice business. And now he is shut down.
When the govt. was laying out what were the essential services that needed govt. help, they forget the most mundane of things.
Now that you are home all of the effing time and loading up on all kinds of Amazon stuff, How is your trash service?
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/09/economy/trash-collection-coronavirus/?hpt=ob_blogfooterold
I don't know if you can trust the fake news website to get this right, but cross your fingers anyway.
This is where I would start carrying a box of rocks and start making some midnight runs and practice my window pitching skills. Either that or start ramming potatoes up some tail pipes.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/09/tech/instacart-shoppers-tip-baiting/index.html
Quoted from Kiwipinhead:Sorry but I don't know how it works in the US, I thought if you were not insured you had to pay, So if I was one of the 10 million that just had been laid off and have no money why would I go get a $2-3k Covid test.
It seem like the U.S. has decided, all of a sudden, it needs to be a socialist government in everything---but health care. Four yeas ago we were told Obama Care would be replaced with "something great". We are still waiting for health care greatness to happen.
Quoted from taylor34:Can somebody explain to me how New York is going to go from 10k cases a day to 0 in 21 days?
They are going to hire a different record keeper for the books. Some one who thinks 2+3 = 1.
Quoted from cait001:WTF????
I think it is a mass redistribution. States with lots of electoral votes will be getting preference.
Quoted from phil-lee:My retirement job is at UNC and we sometimes pick up a lot of strange stuff from Medical School/ Storage. Your masks and gloves look scary, maybe 1976? Look on the box for a date, I gots to know.
The gloves have a box date of 2008. Made in China.
The masks have to date. Made in China.
On the bright side, since it seems it is mostly the old timers dying off, there should be more Social Security money left for everybody else.
But some 95 year old dude checking out is not much help; He has already bled the system dry
It needs to be the 62 to 70 years old passing on without having the time to have collected too much.
This should save Medicare gobs of money, too.
The "entitlements" problem will be diminished by magnitudes.
Quoted from wrb1977:Beep! Beep!
I was in the used car biz in early 90s. One day my partner and I went to Kansas City to cruise the car lots and see if we could find something to buy. It was late in the day and we were sitting at a stop light. About the the time I glanced to my left my partner yelled out, ' LOOK AT THAT DODGE!"
Sitting katy corner is some little bitty car lot was a black on white '67 Dodge Coronet 500. Almost a cherry. The lot was closed but we got a motel. We went back next morning and brought home a 1967 Dodge Coronet 500. 318. White with a black vinyl top and black interior with a bench seat.
Under the hood was that Chrysler warranty card they used to use. The card had a female name for ownership and the car was bought on February 14, 1967. I always figured some guy bought it for his wife or daughter. If it was his wife he probably got laid that night I mean, thats better than a dozen roses.
The car had a spot of rust on the left front fender and another small spot on the right rear fender. I pulled the from clip and fixed both rusty spots and gave ii a new coat of Persian White paint.
That was a nice driving car with the 318. And it had that whee whee whee of a Dodge starter. But I was in the business of selling used cars so it got sold.
Quoted from cottonm4:On the bright side, since it seems it is mostly the old timers dying off, there should be more Social Security money left for everybody else.
But some 95 year old dude checking out is not much help; He has already bled the system dry
It needs to be the 62 to 70 years old passing on without having the time to have collected too much.
This should save Medicare gobs of money, too.
The "entitlements" problem will be diminished by magnitudes.
I am glad there is still some compassion for old timers. I put the same thing up on another thread and got 2 upvotes.
Except this time I forget to put up the sarcasm sign. My bad.
Quoted from Jaybird815:You’ll always be thumbs up in my eyes Cotton.
Damn. And here I thought you were going to invite me up to share some of your stash 
Quoted from loneacer:The Kansas governor issued an executive order to limit church gatherings this week, then the legislature overturned it. They are of opposing political parties.
We are a dumb state. The gov. works towards something simple and effective and gets pushback. Dumb.
Quoted from Jaybird815:Hey Cotton, I just got to thinking, did I deliver that flight 2000 to you from Lexington?
You are too kind 8). I had no idea. It's still folded up in the corner, man. I'll get me flash light and make sure no mice have gotten inside
Quoted from cottonm4:US: 400,335 total cases, 33,331 new cases. At this rate, we will be a "Woodstock half a million strong--CSN" in 3 days.
It boggles the mind.
3 days later and we now have 505781 total cases.
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This does not look like a peak to me. Maybe a plateau.
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Trouble is that I don't believe the numbers anymore.
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I wonder after all this virus action passes on if people will realize it is a lot cheaper to cook your own food instead of having it hauled in.
And speaking of food, here is life down on the farm with migrant labor. It sounds like a Petri dish getting ready to explode.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/11/us/farmworkers-coronavirus/index.html
" More than a million farmworkers aren't hunkered down at home as the coronavirus pandemic paralyzes much of the country.
Their labor -- in fields, orchards and packing plants -- is keeping food on America's tables.
" Living conditions for migrant workers are "chronically and extremely overcrowded," says Asbed of the Coalition of Immokolee Workers. Sometimes, he says, 10-12 people are housed in one single-wide trailer."
Quoted from Jaybird815:It’s all I use, I haven’t written a check in over 5 years, lol
The only checks I write are to Steve Young at Pinball Resource.
Quoted from Mr68:We have people that still use coin purses. Huge pet peeve of mine when standing in line.
Relax. The virus is knocking off all the people who use change purses.
Pretty soon you won’t have to stand in line at all.
Quoted from Mr68:If we could just eliminate the penny, that's all I ask.
Well, first you have to ask yourself: How many jobs are provided by the making of pennies?
Old, out of date, inefficient pennies means some one gets to feed their family. Makes me wonder if there is a penny lobby. 
You might want to stock up on pock chops.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/12/business/meat-plant-closures-smithfield/index.html
"One of the largest pork processing facilities in the US is closing until further notice"
"One of the country's largest pork processing facilities is closing until further notice as employees fall ill with Covid-19. The closure puts the country's meat supply at risk, said the CEO of Smithfield, which operates the plant.
"The closure of this facility, combined with a growing list of other protein plants that have shuttered across our industry, is pushing our country perilously close to the edge in terms of our meat supply," the meat processor's chief executive, Kenneth Sullivan, said in a statement Sunday.
Amazon is backed up. Now you need to sign up to be "invited" to shop for food.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/13/business/amazon-grocery-delivery-waitlist-coronavirus/index.html
" Soaring demand for online food delivery during the coronavirus pandemic has forced Amazon to create a waitlist for new shoppers."
Now Dr. Fauci is in the The Prez's crosshairs.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/13/politics/donald-trump-anthony-fauci-tweet/index.html
" Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump on Sunday evening retweeted a user who called for Dr. Anthony Fauci to be fired, the latest sign of apparent tension between the two men amid the coronavirus pandemic."
I would sure hate to see Dr. Fauci marginalized. I trust what he says.
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An operator friend of mine has a few pins in a laundry mat. He also has a crane machine. The other day he put a couple of rolls of TP in. The next day, the TP was gone. Everybody has priorities
Quoted from wrb1977:Here is an interesting article, assuming it’s accurate, about our national emergency stockpile that was created in 1999. It seems that each of the past three administrations (Bush, Obama, Trump) did not replenish this stockpile and if we ever needed it, like we do now, whoever was in office at that time was going to get caught with their pants down. It seems this has been a problem for many years and not one administration took action for one reason or another to correct it. They ALL dragged their feet probably rolling the dice hoping it would never be needed, yet here we are.
I do not feel this is political...just showing a general non-partisan failure of our government over the past 20 years...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/5114319002
Congress was advised in 2014 that we need to prepare for the possibility of a pandemic happening. I don't know why Congress did not act.
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I see cameltoe
Quoted from goingincirclez:https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/13/politics/theodore-roosevelt-sailor-coronavirus/index.html
Bunch of young folks on that ship. If "military secrecy" wasn't getting it done, God bless Capt. Crozier for getting the attention so desperately needed.
Anybody notice the ex-secnav has a head full of hair implants?
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Quoted from metallik:Even more fun dealing with religious clowns who consider themselves above the law...
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2020/04/13/coronavirus-kentucky-bullitt-county-pastor-says-he-wont-self-quarantine/2982690001/
Hey hey hey. The clowns are feeling the pressure to pass the plate. After all, it takes real money to keep the lights on.
Quoted from Who-Dey:Its looking more and more all the time that iceman44 was right about the coronavirus all along. I think a lot of people are going to be eating crow and owe him an apology when this is all said and done.
Iceman is quite a character and he loves to get under peoples skin but like him or not he is one smart SOB!
That’s a proposition that you can never answer because no one can predict where we would be if no action had been taken.
Quoted from ralphwiggum:It's all good... "Google it" is internet slang at this point in my life. I also call all soda "Coke".
Feel free to "Bing" your info.
I call soda a bottle of pop.
Quoted from Who-Dey:Its looking more and more all the time that iceman44 was right about the coronavirus all along. I think a lot of people are going to be eating crow and owe him an apology when this is all said and done.
Iceman is quite a character and he loves to get under peoples skin but like him or not he is one smart SOB!
I have located a vid of The Prez. on Fox News where he speaks. And what he says does not at all agree with what you are saying/thinking about Tex...ahh....I'm sorry, I meant Iceman.
If Tex is right it is only because he is parroting what The Prez says. But then he is leaving out a part of the story.
Google " Trump unloads on on press in response to Fauci tweet." That should get you there.
And you will see him talking about if he and his advisers had not acted that the death rate would be much higher than what we have.
Quoted from Wickerman2:They were running a profit until partisan nonsense was stuck in a bill during Bush era.
“ In 2006, Congress passed a law that imposed extraordinary costs on the U.S. Postal Service. The Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act (PAEA) required the USPS to create a $72 billion fund to pay for the cost of its post-retirement health care costs, 75 years into the future. This burden applies to no other federal agency or private corporation.”
This was done on purpose with the intent they fail and are privatized.
I like this USPS list:
Handles 47% world’s mail
Ships ~150 billion Envelope/yr
Delivers more in 16 days than UPS+FedEx ship combined in a yr
500,000 career employees
31,000 locations
You can send a Envelope from Key West to Utqiagvik AK for less than the cost of a candy bar
I think this was around the same time there were rumblings about privatizing social security. I'm sorry, there are just some things I would rather Wall Street keep its grubby hands out of.
I am not sure on the USPS but I do like it the way it is currently.
Quoted from Atari_Daze:ditto, I'll have a coke, make mine a DR. Pepper.
Hmmm. Coke? Or Dr. Pepper?
How about a bottle of pop?
Quoted from Atari_Daze:just a "cold drank
Ahhh.a cold drank. That reminds me of the best tasting beer I ever drank. I 14 and staying with my grandparents. Grandpa and I were in the small pasture just behind the house raking hay. It was a hot day. Gramps said, " Go to the house and get us a beer." I brought back a Budweiser and a church key ( no pop tops ). He drank half and I drank half. A hot day, all sweaty, that cold beer was just about the best thing I ever tasted.
I am really not a big beer drinker, but like a coke head that keeps chasing his first time high, I open one up once in a while trying to get that elusive "hot day in the hayfield taste" to come back again.
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Because you are too much of a dumbass to figure it out ?
EDIT: Sorry. I could not resist. Well, I could resist but I did not want to 
How will your lifestyles change after you have experienced this stay-at-home exercise?
I am retired and I stay home much more than I ever did. However, in retirement, I would usually leave the house every day. Maybe just go to Harbor Freight and look around. Or go to a restaurant and get a cup of coffee. Or a burger and fries. Any thing to just get out if the house.
But with this virus action, I only leave the house to go get groceries. And I am getting used to not going anywhere at all. I don't think I will chance this after the "all clear" has been given. I'll have a smaller gasoline bill and longer time between oil changes; And my tires will last longer.
The tradeoff will be is that more time at home means my heating and cooling will cost more. And I am teaching myself to cook more which is not music to a restaurant owner's ears.
This is no big deal in the great scheme of things, but on a collective basis how our behaviors might/will change will have some economic impact.
Where are all of you at? Will you be willingly making any behavioral changes once all clear is given? Or once a vaccine is discovered?
I know one of the mods says he will be flying again due to business requirements.
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SIDEBAR: Getting into pinball has been a lifesaver for me. If I get bored and lonely, I just go play a pin and focus in.
Quoted from Blitzburgh99:Maybe there is someone here from Louisiana that can give this accuracy....but I remember someone from New Orleans saying that all the buried souls would rise every November to cast their votes. (It was describing how they stuff the ballot boxes there)
Would you be thinking about the late Edwin Edwards, who made the statement that the only way he would lose his race for governor was if he, " got caught in bed with a dead woman or a live boy? "
Quoted from Whysnow:if that is not enough... Gotta love what they are doing now.
http://www.milwaukeeindependent.com/special/covid-19/wisconsin-lawmakers-float-partisan-extortion-scheme-by-holding-covid-19-relief-funds-hostage/?fbclid=IwAR13XF7es6k1V_4NMVNBvX3vzh7ElyfnY-U6XawmPYzQxe_ivIcYfFHIERg
Jeez. I thought Kansas was the only dumb state. Sounds like Wisconsin is just as dumb.
Quoted from flynnibus:That last line is the key point... its on doctors to remain grounded in what they practice. But doctors are humans too...
Of course the reality is there are multiple options in how to treat many things.. and the doctors have a role in what they prescribe. Getting the word out and encouraging use is the job of the reps. It is very much a PUSH market. Pharma spends BILLIONS in the US on advertising every year. Pharma has armies of reps pressing on practices to embrace their products.
I know this topic somehow has struct a nerve with you as if it's a challenge to your objectivity or something... but how can anyone deny the scale and persistence of pharma reps in the field? I mean come on... it's an entire stereotype of it's own for the type of young people they'd hire in.
The things about the drug companies that chaps is that if I buy my scripts from Canada, it is implied that I am buying from a 3rd world country. And then when the virus hit us all, I find out the drugs are Made in China and India.
A months supply of Crestor costs approx. $235.00 month. In Canada, the same money will buy you 3 months worth of Crestor. Big favors are being called in from the drug companies. I do not expect drug prices to get any better in the U.S. Screw 'em. I'll keep Canada on speed dial.
Quoted from flynnibus:You could make the same argument about pinball machines... It's not really fair to compare local prices across international markets when you don't take into account the different constraints and things influencing those prices.
Just like you can't just blanket rag on the store in the mall that charges more than the very same store that charges less out in the boonies. Prices are a reflection of multiple factors - not simply cost of goods.
I can agree with you to a point. But a triplicate price difference is beyond the pale, IMO.
Quoted from cait001:Florida Designates Pro Wrestling 'Essential Business'
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/14/834098998/florida-designates-pro-wrestling-essential-business
The best part about watching pro rasslin' is watching the idio.....the spectators in the bleachers. I mean, where else can you see grandma waving two middle finger salutes to the one in the ring they hate the most. 
Quoted from cait001:LOL no of course not!
It's that some people in this world consider their financial well being and the economy more important than YOUR lives.
Along with airlines, cruise ships, and restaurants, hotels are getting hammered, as well. If your income is derived from being associated with the hospitality industry, you would have a strong incentive to get things up and running---quickly.
Quoted from Jaybird815:I’m getting up early and smoking a pork shoulder tomorrow.
Does smoking pork shoulder give you a pretty good buzz?
Quoted from o-din:I'm getting up and smoking some good bud myself.
Just for you. Lay back and enjoy the day.
Quoted from cottonm4:This chart is going to change tomorrow. Or the next day after.
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Are these actual quotes the WHO guy made? Or is some cartoonist taking liberties?
If they are actual quotes, can you please provide some links, please?
Thank you.
Quoted from Multiballmaniac1:Basically a parody of things he actually said in different words.
Sorry, I cannot trust what the cartoon says since it not a direct quote. Sort of like some news caster trying to make a position with a video clip of someone with their mouth moving but with no sound. And the news caster is telling me what the guy in the vid clip is saying; To which I say, "news caster, shut your god damn mouth, turn up the sound, and let me hear it for myself. "
Quoted from jimjim66:100% correct, that is why he posted videos which are not unnamed sources in an opinion piece. They are primary sources of what was actually said.
Yeah. And what is being said does NOT actually match what was being suggested in the cartoon.
Quoted from cait001:Remember a week ago people were making fun of that Governor that said he only just learned asymptomatic people could spread Covid-19?
Yesterday, Ontario's health minister said the same thing https://twitter.com/gregbradyTO/status/1250135753704837127
Please join me in the collective facepalm
I am not promoting or unpromoting religion. It is the last 9 or 10 seconds that is the hoot in this vid. The look on the senator's face when he realizes what he just said is quite comical.
It does not give me comfort that any idiot can run for office if he wants to lay out the money or kiss enough ass of the moneyed crowd to get there.
This is Bill Mahar (who some cannot stand) interviewing some Arkansas senator. Go to minute 3:58-4:00.
Quoted from jimjim66:Not everyone, but pretty much everyone agrees that the origins of this disease and others originated at a "Wet Market". Nobody knows how, but the first cases came from there. If people really want to make sure that this never happens again, shouldn't that be where to start? In China, the wet markets are back open, and from many reports, it does not seem that they are implementing any better oversight than they did before the outbreak. Not just China, because there are other countries that have Wet Markets too, the ban should apply to anyplace that have these. It's not like it hasn't happened before, and if not closed, it will probably happen again.
From Dr. Fauci to Paul McCartney, it seems like a reasonable thing to unite behind.
Well, the fake news site does not seem to agree with you.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/14/asia/china-wet-market-coronavirus-intl-hnk/index.html
And to cover all bases, neither does the other news site.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/chinas-wet-markets-bizarre-unusual-items
" While rumors have swirled that the coronavirus pandemic originated in bats and then infected another animal that passed it onto people at a market in the southeastern Chinese city of Wuhan, scientists have not yet determined exactly how the new coronavirus infected people.
Quoted from Jaybird815:New Yorkers have to wear masks in public
https://apple.news/Ah1R0Coc9S_yDKMlRpaiVJg
Now all we have to do is wait for a little bit and the naysayers will start crying about how the constitution is being stepped on.
Quoted from jimjim66:Not everyone, but pretty much everyone agrees that the origins of this disease and others originated at a "Wet Market". Nobody knows how, but the first cases came from there.
Quoted from jimjim66:The CNN article you linked actually points out another reason why they are bad; the markets trade in exotic and endangered animals. Different reason, same result - not being regulated makes them dangerous.
From the article: "Many experts agree that ending the illegal trade of animals is the most important means of preventing the next pandemic -- and that means better regulation and stricter enforcement, especially at a local level."
This is from your Fox link:
“You’ve got live animals, so there’s feces everywhere. There’s blood because of people chopping them up,” Peter Daszak, president of EcoHealth Alliance, which works to protect wildlife and public health from emerging diseases, told the Associated Press last month.
Your links actually support the opinion they need to be stringently regulated or shut down if they don't.
I read the articles. I did not say those markets were not bad. Or sub-standard. Or nasty.
But the Fox link, (assuming Fox never stretches or slants its articles), does not support what you said. To quote Fox, " ...scientists have not yet determined exactly how the new coronavirus infected people."
Either Fox is calling it right or it has completely missed the boat. If Fox has missed the boat, then I'll throw Fox in the fake news pile, too.
If it is assumed that the virus came from the wet markets and it actually came from somewhere else, then the somewhere else will never be searched for. Sort of like putting the wrong man in jail as the killer still walks free.
Science needs to find where it came from. Maybe it will wind up being the wet markets; Maybe it won't.
It is kind of like AIDS from years ago. First, it was assumed AIDS was a gay disease ( the preachers were all over this one ) and the heterosexuals thought they were home free. Then the heteros starting catching the stuff and it turned into "Oh shit ! We gotta do something. " And then it was discovered that AIDS could be transmitted via blood transfusions, too.
It took years, but eventually, the source for AIDS was discovered.
Quoted from PtownPin:All you bleeding heart liberals are the same...I only have one thing to say "Make America Great Again"
Here ya go. What ever happened to this?
Answer: It has been replaced by " The Buck stops everywhere but here."
Quoted from cait001:I think this is really important considering how man of us wince (myself included) at the thoughts of wet markets.
Someone reminded me how much of chlorine dioxide baths play a role in North American chicken production.
Clorine Dioxide:
https://www.chemicalsafetyfacts.org/chlorine-dioxide/
" When added to drinking water, it helps destroy bacteria, viruses and some types of parasites that can make people sick...
" Food and Beverage Production
Chlorine dioxide can be used as an antimicrobial agent in water used in poultry processing and to wash fruits and vegetables...
" Chlorine dioxide is used to disinfect drinking water around the world...
Quoted from arcademojo:My buddy does specialized mortar restriking on vintage cobblestone homes. His company is forced closed. Now lets look at how their normal day is. 3 to 5 man crew, all wearing masks, none of them are working in the same area at a time. Again this is their NORMAL work day. The only thing they would need to change is not sit together for their lunch. So how the heck does keeping them out of business have anything to do with your scale??? This is just one example of many business that could run right now. There is a much greater chance of spreading this by going to a grocery store. This doesn't need to be an all nonessential businesses closed thing. We can do just as good with taking the middle ground.
Last Friday, I had to go to the vet for some medicine for the dog. We use a vet in a small town because he is who we like. I walked in with my mask and and felt like an out-of-place fool. I used to live in this small town when I was a kid so I drove around a little bit basking in the memories. It was lunch time and a crew doing some work on a house were sitting at a picnic table elbow to elbow and facing the guys on the other side of the table. No masks. No nothing. I'm sure they think they are invincible. And that is all it takes for a flare up.
"Anybody who wants a test can get one." I seem to recall someone saying that awhile back.
New York's governor lays that statement to waste. I figure if anybody knows anything about anything, the NY Gov. ought a to have a pretty good handle on the challenges. Maybe everyone else will get different mileage from this, but to me, it sounds like we are screwed.
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Peaking? Did someone say were are peaking?
Quoted from Blitzburgh99:Can we all agree that he is the ultimate optimist?
I think P.T. Barnum reincarnated.
You gotta love it. United Airlines is holding its hand out for the govt. money. The stipulation is UAL has to keep the staff on for 6 months. At 6 months and one day, UAL is going to go ahead and lay off big time. That is capitalism at its best.
Just shut down now. And quit burning jet fuel with empty planes.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/16/business/united-schedule-staff-cuts/index.html
" United Airlines is making the deepest cuts yet announced by a US airline, reducing its May and June schedule by about 90% of what was originally planned at the start of the year.
" And while the airline is precluded from laying off staff for the next six months under terms of a federal financial assistance package that will provide it with about $5 billion, it is preparing to cut staff as soon as Oct. 1, according to a letter sent to staff by CEO Oscar Munoz and President Scott Kirby.
Quoted from swampfire:Why is the US government subsidizing salaries for airline employees, but not employees of restaurants and other businesses impacted by the virus? The airline bailout has something to piss everyone off: socialism for the employees, and socialism for the companies and stockholders. I understand that airlines are more critical than other impacted businesses, but why the very special treatment?
Maybe I'm not thinking this through...what would happen without a bailout? Shareholders would be wiped out, employees would be in the same boat as everyone else, and eventually all the airlines would go bankrupt and reorganize. But at the end of it all there would still be airlines - maybe not as many, but the market demand will return.
Hmmm. Bigger paychecks in the airline industry might mean larger and more political donations than some poor sap of a waitress trying to feed her kids?
Quoted from o-din:No idea. But almost anything in the USA that has been sweetened that doesn't specially say otherwise, it is now HFCS. Only country in the world I know of that uses it There has been some resistance, but it has slowly replaced everything that used to contain real cane sugar, that really isn't that good for you either, but this is much worse.
The reason we use so much corn syrup instead of sugar is that it's cheaper for food makers. It's cheaper because tax payers pay for it to be cheaper to “protect” a native industry.
https://www.health.com/nutrition/high-fructose-corn-syrup-video
Not only do we get screwed over in the prescription drug prices market, we get to pay extra for sugar, too, There is world sugar prices. And there is U.S. sugar prices. Guess which one costs more?
https://www.thebalance.com/markets-for-us-and-world-sugar-809301
" Sugar lobbyists in the U.S. have been able to arrange a sweet deal for sugar farmers in the U.S. The complex details of sugar subsidies are a subject of heated debate as the government guarantees a lucrative price for sugar producers and limits sugar imports from other nations. U.S. companies have to buy U.S. sugar at inflated prices."
It is a great welfare program for the sugar producers. And labor conditions were brutal. And then the jobs disappeared.
https://migration.ucdavis.edu/rmn/more.php?id=488
January 2001, Volume 7, Number 1
Southeast, Florida Sugar, FLOC
Between 1941 and the mid-1990s, virtually all sugarcane grown in Florida was cut by hand by workers imported from the Caribbean, usually from Jamaica, under the H-2 program (1953-86) and then the H-2A program, after the program was revised slightly by IRCA. US Sugar, the largest cane grower, went to 100 percent mechanical harvesting in 1997-98.
Of course, at the same time, we ship all of our manufacturing over to China for cheap labor.
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At one time, years ago, and I don't know about today, UPS paid a lot of lobbyists to lobby for the US postal service to raise it mailing rates. Reason: If USPS raised it rates then UPS could jack its prices, too.
I am no expert on sugar, but I would be willing to bet the high fructose syrup industry pays lobbyists big money to keep sugar prices up there. If we had cheap sugar the HFCS industry would go broke.
Quoted from arcademojo:Tell me something I already don't know. Sooner or later the TRUTH will come out.
"Growing belief that coronavirus originated in Wuhan lab, sources say"
https://www.foxnews.com/us/coronavirus-likely-originated-in-wuhan-lab-sources-say?fbclid
People can believe whatever they want. You should hear of some of the shit my sister-in-law believes. You imply that you already know this. I'd be interested in how you know.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/coronavirus-likely-originated-in-wuhan-lab-sources-say?fbclid
"Growing belief that coronavirus originated in Wuhan lab, sources say."
" Sources believe coronavirus..."
"There is increasing confidence that COVID-19 likely originated..."
" multiple sources who have been briefed..."
" This may be the "costliest government coverup of all time," one of the sources said."
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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/coronavirus-wuhan-lab-china-compete-us-sources
" The “increasing confidence” comes from classified and open-source documents and evidence, the sources said.
" Fox News has requested to see the evidence directly. (. BUT it sounds like FOX has seen jack.)
Sources emphasized -- as is often the case with intelligence -- that it’s not definitive and should not be characterized as such.
Some inside the administration and the intelligence and epidemiological communities are more skeptical, and the investigation is continuing.
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When you can bring an article that names names and says we caught the MFs red-handed then you will have something.
In the meantime this article is just a hit piece to get everybody whipped into a frenzy.
Quoted from pinballplusMN:* Im not the author of this below but found this compelling to share. On a personal note, Minnesota is losing a ton of businesses. I have many clients who are bleeding out financially . My son has braces and has issues . he cant be seen. His dentist for cleaning tells me that they are backlogged with people in pain toothaches etc. Common sense needs to take over. Big protest at GOV mansion tommorow,
Dear Governor, (Tom Mould credit)
I’m a nobody. Which actually makes me a somebody. I’m a hard working Mexican-American who built a small 3 office Accounting firm in the South Metro. I employ people. I create tax revenue and opportunities. I’m writing today because your shutdown has gone askew. It is hurting more people than it is helping now. And I’m not even talking the economy (yet).
32 days ago, I became sick. I have great insurance through Medica and have been going to my Fairview clinic for over 20 years. I can’t see a doctor. I’ve talked to a doctor from the clinic twice ON THE PHONE…some correspondence through mychart messaging. I’ve been put on a Zpack and now finishing a 28 dose run of doxycycline. I can’t get my lungs x-rayed, I can’t get tested to see what the ‘culprit’ is. I can’t get anything. This is not right. My own father who served as a peacekeeper MP in Berlin had his Aortic valve repair surgery cancelled because they told him that the Governor deemed it not essential. One of my employees got horribly sick two weeks ago. She’s a single parent. Her doctors still have not allowed her to come into the clinic.
I’m not saying you did it intentionally (then I’d have different words for you if I thought that), but you have gutted primary and necessary care in the State that we all used to joke about “Minnesota is a great place to get sick.” There are horrific stories of young children who need surgery, oral surgery you name it, it is out there. There’s much more than Covid that can harm you and kill you.
Governor, other states are honoring their health care workers. You are laying them off. Over 11,000 laid off in Minnesota. Essentia laid off another 500 in Duluth today on top of the huge layoffs 2 weeks ago. My friends in Duluth say health care there is barely skeletal.
Governor, I IMPLORE you. Re-open health care. At the street level the cure is now worse than the disease. Less than 200 have died from Covid but far more than that are suffering illness that will leave permanent damage and/or lead to earlier death. I do not know who your close advisors are, but so many are hurting and are unhappy. And it is not partisan. When Doctors, Surgeons and Nurses are being shown the unemployment line, when Oral Surgeons and Dentists are at home, this is a recipe for a true health disaster.
I’m asking you as a human being to do what you need to do to get our Health Care Systems seeing, diagnosing, treating, fixing, repairing, healing people again.
You’re taking us the wrong direction. There’s a great scripture that says “A wise man sees trouble ahead and swerves to avoid it”. It is time for some mid-course corrections. The medical community is shutting down and we are far worse off health wise because of it.
It’s bad enough that so many businesses will never reopen their doors. People are trying to follow the rules and be good citizens and making big sacrifices. But then we can’t get basic health care. Because you’re saving us from being unhealthy??!
Governor, surely you are a better, more creative leader than this."
You can contact governor Walz at '[email protected]'
It is a nice story. Who wrote it? Do you have a name? No name = BS. Or to be kind, it sounds like a rumor.
Quoted from embryonjohn:The days of this country relying on 3 TV news anchors & two newspapers for its opinions are over. Please, just get over it.
Long live diversity of thought (which used to be welcomed and championed by both sides) in America.
I disagree. While I like diversity of thought and in the earlier days watched some stuff on youtube, there are too many news caster wannabe's trying to make a name for theirselves. I don't do Facebook but put FB in with the YT crowd. All you need is a web cam and a backdrop and ---POOF---you are newscaster. Any body can be one.
Now the questions is: How do you vet these people? What is their agenda? I'll leave you with Alex Jones and the line of trash he tries to peddle.
Quoted from cait001:Incredible photo:
A gang member blocks traffic as part of the Michigan coronavirus protests.
A doctor came out to plead for them to allow an ambulance to pass
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I see a traffic jam and someone who could possibly be a doctor. But mainly I see a traffic jam and two people shooting the shit. I don't see an ambulance.
What am I missing?
Quoted from swampfire:I think we can agree that Fox News and CNN both have news divisions and opinion divisions. I have no problem with the news divisions in either network, both have good reporting.
You have no problem. Can we know why?
Quoted from Who-Dey:No I cant agree with that sorry.
You have a problem. Same question. Can we know why?
Quoted from cait001:the photo is from a stream of live coverage of the michigan rally, and a particular gang contingent that was blocking traffic. A good photo doesn't need to also be an infographic explaining what everything is.
Yeah, well, you would not last very long as True Crime photographer. If you are going to tell a blood and guts story I want to see some blood and guts. You speak of an ambulance being blocked. So where is the ambulance?
Quoted from Luckydogg420:I like Alex Jones, I think he’s bat shit crazy but he tells a good story. He’s got conviction in his beliefs and doesn’t hold back. I put him in the same category of people as Ben Shapiro. I totally disagree with their ideas, but I’ll let them talk. I know that they won’t indoctrinate me into their cult of belief. But that’s their opinion, and they stand by it.
Where I lost it with Alex Jones was when comedian Chris Rock was making some sort of comeback performance. I watched some of Rock's performance, but not all of it.
A couple of days later, I stumble on to AJ trying to drum up some point about Rock and how Rock was a blah blah blah. AJ lifted just some of Rock's performance, and used that tidbit to shade and slant things in an effort to do whatever it was he was trying to do. Since I saw that part of Rock's performance, I saw what was missing and saw AJ to be a bold faced lier. I was glad youtube gave him the boot.
Quoted from arcademojo:Oh good lord! New rule at work. Every hour all associates must wash their hands and sign off on a chart now. It also states a manager or department lead needs to watch to make sure they are doing it.
I feel sorry for you. But I can understand. If management wants the employees to be serious about this stuff, then management has to display that it is also serious about it. Whether it will do any good is the question.
Quoted from PtownPin:Your right...most are on on CNN, MSNBC, or they sound off on the garbage NPR puts out....and for the record I'm not a fan of Alex Jones
Well, we agree about Jones.
Quoted from phil-lee:So its ok for Wal Mart, Costco, liquor store, Auto Parts, Food processing/ packaging, natural gas, Bank, etc workers to go in everyday but clothing boutique owners have to shut down their livelihood? There are ways to make it work. Small Business owners are getting destroyed, commercial rents are not being paid, loans are defaulting.
Put up a plexiglass screen, wipe the card readers, the shopping carts, require masks, but let everyone open back up.
Yeah. I have problems with this, too. I can go to Walmart and buy my groceries, but I can also buy a book, some jeans, and some toys for the neighbor kids.
But I cannot go into a bookstore to buy a book. etc.
It is not a fair shutdown.
Quoted from cait001:It was giving a slanted take on Chris Rock that did it, and not what Alex Jones did to the families of children massacred at Sandy Hook?
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/29/us/politics/alex-jones-infowars-sandy-hook.html
https://www.npr.org/2019/06/18/733880866/sandy-hook-victims-father-wins-defamation-suit-alex-jones-sanctioned
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50074652
I had forgot about that. The Chris Rock vid was fairly recent and the first thing that came to mind. What you linked solidifies my opinion. Either he is an idiot or a complete jerk.
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