Honolulu, HI
Quoted from PanzerFreak:It was a fun family Christmas as once again late into the night a debate about the pandemic started lol. One of my family members was very adamant that the following items are true. This is coming from someone who I would consider very informed on a number of topics, smart, and educated. Regularly I wouldn't waste my time debating this (especially on Christmas of all days...) but once he started telling my parents this stuff I had to say something, in a respectful way of course.
What I've learned from this family member is he ends up coming across as "Well I had Covid, I'm not vaccinated, everyone should be fine too if they get it". Well that's not the way science works and everyone is different. That would be like telling someone who also has cancer "Oh, I had cancer too and recovered, no big deal, you will be fine too"...
1. The vaccines have killed 10,000 people within 2 weeks of people receiving it.
This one was a curve ball as he was showing me a CDC article. He's reading the data that all of these individuals died from the vaccine which isn't true. There's nothing that stops people from still dying of other causes after receiving the vaccine...
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html
"FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause". "More than 485 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through December 13, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 10,483 reports of death (0.0022%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA clinicians review reports of death to VAERS including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records."
What he failed to mention is this part in the article "Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem."
2. Only 25% of CDC staff is vaccinated, Dr. Fauci himself said this, they don't want the vaccine he said...
This one started on social media, below is just one of the sources fact checking this. In May of 2021 Dr. Fauci did say in a Senate committee that he thinks around 60% of CDC was vaccinated, this was already higher then the 47% US vaccination rate. At the time vaccination by individuals wasn't being reported or required (that's obviously changing now for federal workers)
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/05/30/fact-check-fauci-didnt-say-cdc-fda-staff-refusing-covid-19-vaccine/7474372002/
3. US deaths are no higher over the past 2 years then in the past...
He was very adamant about this, as if no one has really died of Covid-19 and that the numbers being reported are false... He said "show me the CDC data that says deaths are up because of Covid". Ok here it is lol. This is just for 2020.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db427.htm
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@PanzerFreak, you wrote that you generally consider this person smart, informed, etc and that you provided him information to rebut the three misunderstandings/misinformation he shared. Did he acknowledge being incorrect about any/all of the three items? Did any of it prompt him to reconsider his positions?
