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Quoted from RWH:people are dying for lack of those essentials we should not turn a blind eye to those intent on profiting for this disaster.
Weird that feds haven’t put defense production act into action to make up for shortages in protective equipment and vents...that would slow the spread. If healthcare workers get it from lack of gear=fewer healthcare workers. They said they would use dpa only in “worst case scenario”. When is that?
Quoted from RWH:My understanding is they did just that yesterday. Anyone have more concrete info on this?
They signed an “executive order” that says maybe they’d use it but didn’t enact it...didn’t actually DO anything with it.
“ would only use the powers granted under the Defense Production Act "in a worst case scenario."
"I only signed the Defense Production Act to combat the Chinese Virus should we need to invoke it in a worst case scenario in the future,"
Quoted from Psw757:there was a report that it was enacted and several factories either added additional lines
Do you have link? I couldn’t find anything other than the maybe we’d use it and vp mentioned it to boeing or someone. Nothing concrete or urgent sounding.
https://www.justsecurity.org/69275/use-the-defense-production-act-to-flatten-the-curve/
Quoted from jlm33:below 60.
CDC just put out numbers on hospitalizations if “young “ people
New C.D.C. data shows that nearly 40 percent of patients sick enough to be hospitalized were age 20 to 54.
Quoted from swampfire:Open source ventilator project
That’s for Ireland only I think. Cool though, sad it comes to that but cool they can do it.
Quoted from RWH:Look at all the other nations, they were in the same boat as us so far as preparedness.
Not the 60 nations that accepted the WHO covid test back in January. South Korea found it’s first case exact same day as US. They’ve tested how many ? 100’s of thousands AND they have containment. This stuff matters to our reaction going forward.
Quoted from RWH:What 60 nations, no nation is doing well period. I keep hearing about S. Korea, Singapore but realistically you can't compare the US
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN2153BW
Just read their reaction and look at the numbers and where they are on the curve. It’s not opinion.
Quoted from RWH:it won't work, it's too small both geographically and population wise
Geography has nothing to do with it. Korea drafted private companies 5 weeks before us to ramp up test kit production...that’s just 1 example
Quoted from RWH:Geo absolutely plays a role, a huge role when it comes to supplies and how to get them where they are needed.
By that logic our supply chains would be stressed in this Country 24/7. Amazon has same day shipping! What specifically do you think we couldn’t ship fast enough within that same 5 week period? It starts with enlisting the companies 5 weeks earlier and then getting the supplies moving. We didn’t do that. We STILL aren’t apparently utilizing the defense act...today, now. This all happened weeks ago in Korea for example.
We live in a representative democracy. They work for us and represent us. We should hold them to higher standards...definitely in matters of life and death. I’m not going to shrug it off and give a pass. They have to do better. They wargamed this scenario 3 years ago...
Quoted from cottonm4:need a link to this one,
Referenced in that article, contains original reporting
Quoted from RTR:look like an overreaction
That’s what the disease people say, if it looks like an overreaction later, that means you were successful on some level.
Quoted from wolfemaaan:Most people will live, and like the “experts” say old or vulnerable people will not. I’m curious how many Twenty year olds on this thread think this is overrated vs 50+ that are screaming chicken little
Latest CDC numbers referenced already in this thread. High percentage of 20-54 required hospitalization.
Read more. Stay informed. You have no parents or grandparents or elderly people in your orbit?
Stay healthy!
Quoted from wolfemaaan:Nobody is talking about once you survive it, you are cured.
Because it’s not true. You are immune for at best, a year
Quoted from hockeymag8:reading and hearing from our Medical doctor there is some optimism about using Chloroquine as treatment for COVID-19. Any thoughts/insight if this is/will be effective? Thank you!
Lead Doctor for gov Fauci downplayed that drug just today with a flat NO.
Said it’s way too early, not nearly enough evidence etc
Quoted from Oaken:We need to improve on our coordinated response. Otherwise we will get more mistakes like this:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-19/trump-told-governors-to-buy-own-virus-supplies-then-outbid-them
Winning!
In the second appeal in a week, the American Medical Association called on the Trump administration on Friday to address a “critical shortage” of coronavirus testing kits and personal protective gear for health care professionals that “remains unmet.”
“For days, physicians and frontline healthcare workers have been sounding the alarm that there is nowhere near enough PPE [personal protective equipment] ... a shortage that endangers patients and jeopardizes the entire response to this virus,” Dr. Patrice Harris, president of the AMA, said in a statement.
Quoted from PantherCityPins:Short answer is no.
Read we need 3.5 billion masks and feds have “plans” to buy 500 million...soon?
Quoted from cottonm4:Texas
Maybe we walls separating those states that choose to let virus spread? Have fever checkpoints at “border”? 
Quoted from Daditude:This is old info (for Texas, anyway).
Not too old, unless a day is old. Looks like Abbott issued order March 19, effective March 20:
The government will pay up to 80 per cent of wages for workers' at risk of being laid off due to the coronavirus pandemic, the chancellor has announced.
Any employer in the country will be able to apply to HMRC for payments of up to £2,500 per worker per month - just above the median UK income - Rishi Sunak said on Friday.
Quoted from Tuukka:now is not the time to blame anyone
Sure it is. If we ignore failures and lies we resign to let them continue.
For example, if you were briefed in say, January by your intelligence agency that covid was serious and a likely threat, then for weeks called it a hoax and encouraged people to ignore it...it’s good to know that and inform our opinion of what you say today.
Demand the best of all elected officials. We pay them, they represent us.
Quoted from RWH:I think things got leaked to them
Things got leaked to us in January as well...the reaction was not the same here unfortunately
Quoted from BillySastard:This is the thing I will never, ever forget or forgive. Ever.
That and the WHO tests that 60 Countries accepted in January and we refused. Nobody in government has given a good reason for this. Test, isolate, test, isolate...it’s not rocket surgery. That’s the formula but if you don’t test, then you’re screwed.
Quoted from DBLM:It's ok to be upset about testing, but lets make sure that we have facts straight.
We’re saying the same thing in different ways. They didn’t use the protocols that worked in the WHO test, instead started from scratch:
Testing began at the CDC, and on February 5, the agency announced it would begin shipping test kits to public health labs around the country. Just a day later, the World Health Organization said it had already shipped 250,000 tests to more than 70 laboratories around the world.
As WHO shipped hundreds of thousands of tests, broader US testing struggled to begin. Days after CDC's tests shipped, some labs reported that the test kits were not working as expected, which eventually required tests be re-manufactured.
Quoted from Psw757:Refused to declare it a Pandemic
And our leader called it a hoax and downplayed the seriousness even after his own intelligence officials told him in January it was serious.
Very fine mistakes on both sides you could say.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:traffic.
Where’s all that human feces I used to hear so much about? Ahh, the good ol days.
Quoted from jimjim66:And this is their new hoax.”
? Uhhh, ok. You guys say so. Under the most generous of interpretations, that’s dangerously confusing at best. Nice try though.
Quoted from Who-Dey:Stop spreading lies. That is 100% false!
Isn’t it MORE outrageous that the POTUS would say anything like this? Target your pearl clutching elsewhere please. We all know what he said.
Point is....at rally...saying bs, instead of being in 911 blinking red light alert mode because his intelligence agency told him a potentially deadly pathogen was coming.
Could have been preparing Country, but, nope.
Quoted from RTR:It was a soft toss that anyone should have been able to knock out of the park
Wrong! Clearly a partisan hit job by the illuminati!
Empathy!? Who needs it?
“Who” sent out the talking point to blame the WHO for not calling it a pandemic quick enough? That’s one of the more illogical arguments I’ve heard and it just “spontaneously” seemed to pop up today. Lol
Quoted from Psw757:Your kidding me right?
The CDC repeatedly like a month ago said that it technically was a pandemic yet the WHO didn’t declare it until much later.
Are you saying this didn’t happen?
Ha. No. Saying that it is suddenly being used to excuse the USA being uniquely horrible at dealing with it.
The WHO gave the test that was quickly and easily made to the world in January. I think they treated it seriously. It’s the height of gaslighting to suggest they didn’t when it’s obvious our Country’s leadership dropped the ball.
Quoted from fosaisu:He’s curious why people are talking about the WHO today, but weren’t last week. Where did you first hear about the WHO’s pandemic declaration date such that it now seems like a key failure to take action, vs whatever our own state and federal leaders did or failed to do? There were a ton of threads and posts so I could have missed it, but I don’t remember seeing you or others bring this up until recently.
I’ll just give you my comments to edit before going to print. You explain it better than I can. Might be because my head has exploded several times.
Quoted from PantherCityPins:we are using a disposable paper gown, gloves, facemask with a shield or eye goggles for swabbing coronavirus patients.
What say you to this expert analysis?
“Why aren’t we sanitizing masks?” . “You look at the masks, I’ve looked at all the different masks. Some don’t lend themselves to doing that but many do. ... We have very good liquids for doing this, sanitizing the masks, and that’s something they’re starting to do more and more of.”
Quoted from RTR:Silver is definitely achievable in the next 3-4 weeks.
3-4! I’m guessing 1 week to silver, 2 weeks gold, 3 weeks ragnarok
Quoted from Utesichiban:we are taking mail and putting it garbage bags for 3-4 days before opening anything. D
I’ve been doing the unpack stuff in garage, then I kill it with some lysol and leave non-essentials out there a few days. For perishable delivery, I lysol packages and let it dry and then hope for the best.
I read a detailed article on their best guess and they said unlikely but not impossible to catch it from boxes, bags, packages.
My family thinks I am nuts...but as far as I have read, older males are getting hit the worst.
Quoted from Methos:organic particles of the food would lengthen the lifespan of the organism.
Apparently you can eat the virus no problem. There aren’t receptors or enough in gi system to get it or something
Guitars are essential I guess...they’re in Tennessee?
@gibsonguitar
say they will keep their factory open until someone at the 300-person facility tests positive for COVID-19.
A food truck that typically services the factory has stopped showing up out of fear an outbreak there.
Quoted from titanpenguin:The same WHO who said it was not a pandemic?
Here we go again (facepalm)
Quoted from Zablon:downplay this...
Just the flu you idiots! Warm weather in April = gone, it will wash away, like a miracle it’ll be gone
Quoted from RWH:Doc is there any chance
Freezing food kill it? Can’t find via the google
Rand Paul, Senate typhoid mary:
During the Senate GOP lunch today, Moran told colleagues that Rand was at the gym this morning, per two sources briefed on the lunch, and that he was swimming in the pool. Rand got his COVID-19 results back this morning.
Quoted from Spyderturbo007:It was only a few days into this mess and I started hearing about PPE shortages!!! Every CEO that let this happen, for the benefit of higher profits, should be fired. Idiots.
I think it’s because they have to wear head to toe gear and then chuck it after each use...AND they have to treat everyone as if they have it so they are burning through it
Quoted from jhanley:What a fu
Agreed. Not following the guidelines that they established. Effing Idiot. The senate are predominantly old ass men which is the highest risk group for serious health issues with covid
Enough of this, I’m going to hit the gym and maybe a have a dip in the pool (when most large municipalities have banned such things). Why? I am a rebel without a clue.
I also might grab a covid test for shits and giggles while I’m out cuz that’s easy to do for the hell of it...no reason, just being cautious. All of this according to my spokesman, me.
Quoted from Lermods:1. He is telling parents it’s ok to take your kids to playgrounds, but to maintain 6 feet. Have you ever seen a 3 year old be able to maintain distance from other 3 year olds. Not good policy.
2. He said the federal government has provided nothing so far to nyc, which I think is not consistent with what the feds have said. He also said he’s not aware of any company being told to repurpose production anywhere in the US. Also not consistent with what the feds havecsaid
Agree #1, I think he’s right on #2
Quoted from RWH:did not say he was at a gym or in a pool.
His bud Senator Jerry Moran ratted him out
Quoted from BobSacamano:I hope his socialist, tax-payer funded health insurance takes care of him in his time of need.
Indeed.
Quoted from mcluvin:The Kirkland baby wipes are nice. They are big and can be folded many times.
No flushing 'em!
Quoted from Jaybird815:It’s unfortunate, and childish
I call it “crying covid-19”, very low IQ virus
Quoted from jhanley:I quit watching cause I don't want to throw a brick at my new T.V.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:I think Americans all agree that the highest priority right now is saving the cruise lines.
The virus is killing off all their customers....why bail them out?
Get ready to lock the thread, we’ll be declaring victory soon:
"We are very united. People are saying things they didn’t say three weeks ago... It’s going to be a victory that in my opinion will take place sooner than people have expected."
Just hold on a moment while I, uhh, there we go, move these pesky goalposts. There! See? Victory!
Quoted from RWH:You'd have a rise in unemployment and truthfully I think they said it's really big business.
They don’t pay taxes here
Quoted from Who-Dey:cut all ties with them after this shit storm is over.
They make all the medical supplies
Quoted from swampfire:I tend to believe those saying that 70% of Americans will get this eventually. My goal is to stay in the 30%. I definitely don’t need this on top of asthma.
Definitely! Going in to a hospital at any level during this shitshow is a risk! I feel sorry for the people still not taking it seriously. Big risk
Quoted from jimjim66:Doubtful after this
Dude:
The U.S. debt to China is $1.07 trillion as of December 2019.
Quoted from Who-Dey:That's because they have nothing else so this is the newest hoax
Don’t respond, report....though earlier today SOMEone said it was never called a hoax. Lol
Quoted from o-din:See the now defunct flu shot thread
That thread’s living rent free in your head
Quoted from Powdevil:. I hope the rest of humanity is doing better than this thread.
It could be worse...let the drunk stock broker show up again and call everyone an idiot for worrying about this chinaflu hoax...bada boom markets gonna reboound on Monday boys! I’m audi bitches!! Woot
Quoted from RTR:An interesting interview by Science Magazine with Faucci
Interesting?! I thought it was terrifying. Like that coach said, they are what we thought they were. Diehards absolutely refuse to deal with the fact that the person leading us in this moment is not helping but hurting the effort. Sad and pathetic in my opinion.
Some reports that Mr abundance of caution I wasn’t exposed so going to the Senate gym and pool is cool, Rand Paul, actually suspected he was exposed at an event a couple weeks back where it turns out 2 positive people were in attendance.
THAT’s why he was tested. So, he’s lying and exposed a good portion of the leadership of the Country to it. Nice example Rand.
Today’s talking point: the disease is worse than the cure.
Yesterday’s: WHO blew it by not literally saying “Pandemic” fast enough.
Quoted from PanzerFreak:bread flour,
Do you have any bread machine yeast? I’ll send you a case of paper towels.
Add a 5 pounder of bread flour and the recipe and I can add a large can of lysol.
I’m serious. We may need a pinside fs/ft thread for household goods.
Agree:
Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham, a Trump ally, advised against shifting course, calling it "a major mistake" in an interview with the Washington Post. “I just spoke with Dr. Fauci — he believes that, if anything, we should be more aggressive and do more."
Graham continued: "You can’t have a functioning economy if you have hospitals overflowing."
Quoted from Utesichiban:I just think this is a bad decision from a public health standpoint.
Only all of the evidence on the entire planet points in that direction...you’d think it was obvious...
Quoted from jlm33:To me the only viable solution
Stimulus should pay a % of payroll to keep workers getting checks, not a blank check bailout. Send people direct money.
All other solutions seem to kill people AND kill economy...you can’t run a business if half your employees get sick and the healthcare system stresses and breaks.
This cure/disease meme is dangerous.
Quoted from jlm33:And we'll probably never know the really death toll in Iran (especially in Qom).
Or in the US since testing has failed. True number of cases will likely never be known
WTF? This makes no sense. We’re even more screwed if this happens:
Our people want to return to work. They will practice Social Distancing and all else, and Seniors will be watched over protectively & lovingly. We can do two things together. THE CURE CANNOT BE WORSE (by far) THAN THE PROBLEM! Congress MUST ACT NOW. We will come back strong!
Quoted from poppapin:True!! But congress keeps bickering about pork projects not relevant to the crisis!
I thought the biggest sticking point was giving Mnuchin 500 Billion dollar blank check? So he could decide, without conditions which businesses to bail out and not have to tell us for 6 months.
Quoted from Luckydogg420:Heres one my buddy from china just sent me.
Any of it actually happen? Reminds me of that election year meme that turned out to be completely inaccurate
THIS is why we listen to the healthcare EXPERTS:
PHOENIX – A man has died and his wife was in critical care Monday after the couple ingested a chemical as self-medication for the new coronavirus, Banner Health announced in a press release.
The couple, both in their 60s, ingested chloroquine phosphate, which is an additive commonly used at aquariums to clean fish tanks, the press release said.
Quoted from RWH:You guys are pathetic....you come on here spout your drama class agendas all in the name of helping....yeah right you have no intentions other than being the assholes you're in real life.
Is this satire?
Quoted from ImNotNorm:It's pretty alarming.
So what’s the thesis of this? They knew and are on their private islands? Cashed in chips before crash? It does seem like a crazy coincidence but sometimes that’s all.
Quoted from ImNotNorm:Why the assumptions?
No assumptions just curious what the theories were behind it in general. But it sounds like it’s at least partially false and put together to look sinister
Quoted from cottonm4:An empire could crash.
6 of 7 top money earners for someone just had to shutdown...then a day later we’re in the get back to business cure worse than disease horsepucky
Quoted from Utesichiban:global shortage of ventilators everywhere.
Good reason for feds to broker distribution/purchase so vents go to hot spots. As is, states bid against each other. Just stupid. Use fed power to purchase/coordinate now.
Where’s the pork?
“ direct has payments to every American with a tax ID number of $1,500, up to $7,500 for a family of five, available to retirees and the unemployed. Beyond that, it creates a "Federal Pandemic Unemployment Compensation" program that provides $600 a week to any worker eligible for unemployment benefits, including self-employed workers, contractors and new entrants to the job market. It would supplement existing benefits to replace 100% of wages for the average worker. The House plan would also expand sick days and family medical leave to "nearly ever worker," and expands and gives an infusion of funds to the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program.
It would provide more than $150 billion to hospitals and community health centers, as well as other government medical programs. In addition, it provides $80 billion in low-interest loans to hospitals. It prohibits insurance companies from imposing cost-sharing on coronavirus treatments and vaccines for every patient, including the uninsured and increases the subsidies available through the ACA marketplaces. It would also open enrollments on the ACA marketplace and provide incentives for the 14 states that haven't expanded Medicaid to take it. It has $500 billion in grants and interest-free loans for small businesses and provides a $200 billion stabilization fund for states and $15 billion to local governments.
It also includes strict conditions for any corporation receiving bailout funds, including bans on using funds for stock buy-backs. Critically, it would provide funding to states national vote-by-mail to protect the 2020 elections.”
https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=6817883-FINAL-HOUSE-BILL
Quoted from Zablon:Is this the 'new almost there' agreement, or the old shot down agreement?
This is the house bill that they can pass and send to Senate if they keep on with this 500 billion for Steve Mnuchin crap
Quoted from PinLen83:Man...this thread is a SHIT SHOW
Awww it’s fine considering the circumstances...what’s so shit showy? Mostly people analyzing the response, numbers, sharing stories..,
Levi-
Thoughts on NYC being hung out on a limb as a sort of leper colony in the briefings? Seems like a hit job on Cuomo cuz he dares complain.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:Watching someone do push ups in the park now. And a bus just drove by!!
So, it isn’t like the opening scene of World War Z? Not what I heard...
Only Old people 
A 12-year-old girl named Emma from Atlanta, Georgia, is on a ventilator and “fighting for her life” after testing positive for the novel coronavirus, her cousin Justin Anthony told CNN. Emma was diagnosed with pneumonia on March 15 and tested positive for COVID-19 on Friday. As of Saturday, she is on a ventilator and in stable condition at the Children's Healthcare of Atlanta-Scottish Rite Hospital, Anthony said.
According to her family, Emma had no preexisting health conditions, nor did she travel recently so it is not clear how she contracted the virus. "The patient remains in isolation, and we have consistently used appropriate precautions. Additional details will not be released due to patient privacy laws," Jessica Pope told CNN, a spokesman from the hospital.
Quoted from Who-Dey:He will win the next election easily and then his son will serve 8 years in office after that.
You should be a horror writer! The next Stephen King!
This is US without free press:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN21B2F3
Russia has so far reported 495 cases of the virus and one death, far fewer than major western European countries.
Putin has previously said the situation is under control, but some doctors have questioned how far official data reflect reality, and the government on Tuesday closed nightclubs, cinemas and children's entertainment centres to slow the spread of the virus.
Quoted from OLDPINGUY:have a caravan now, heading
Oh shit! Election year caravan! 
Quoted from PinJim:think people assume that big companies are sitting on giant piles of cash
Airlines took tax cut and used 96% for stock buybacks...maybe shoulda held a bit in reserves?
Quoted from PtownPin:35M in there
Is that the latest boogie man? You keep repeating it. Hard to keep up! Maybe focus on which people fought for workers in the bill...get ready for your mind to be baaahlooown.
Quoted from Methos:We get it, you just don't like hearing it.
Heard it the first time and am able to look at the big picture. Thanks to Professor Warren we have oversight and a BAN on stock buybacks on the 500 billion Mnuchin fund. Thanks to the minority we have slightly better unemployment benefits—added a month plus additional cash...they wanted more but a turtle fought it. Not sure why you’re obsessed with scoring a dig on this...peace and health to you. I wish upon you the ability to use critical thinking. Peace and love, peace and love.
Quoted from Zablon:You forgot to count the posts of people coming in only to post how bad the thread is...
Dude, those guys are the only ones that REALLY get it bro...looking at us mindless fools struggling to complete a thought 
Quoted from bwill:I can't see this as a scandal
It’s talking point #9 or something...after WHO didn’t say pandemic fast enough, it’s just the flu, cure worse than disease, more people will commit suicide because of Nancy, car crashes are contagious, grandparents should sacrifice their life, fish tank cleaner cures it, 1 million tests by the end of the week, and 10k by Christmas
Quoted from Zablon:what we're being told not make sense...
=first half press briefing rally ever day.
One thing this has taught me: I always thought I’d be terrible at homeschooling the kids. Just seemed like it was not in my wheelhouse whatsoever.
Turns out, I was right!
Quoted from Blitzburgh99:Where’s the other $900B going?
Unemployment increases for one
Quoted from guitarded:Models are worthless without accurate Data and Responsible Usage of said Data.
Every country on the planet has numbers, you have to start somewhere. You can’t just throw your hands in the air and wait in the middle of a crisis. Very Educated guess.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:Little Johnny gets hit by a car?
Right, then every 2.5 people he comes in contact with also catches car hit by, then they all give car hit by to 2.5 each, cuz car crashes kill people and we don’t care or something....what was I saying?
Presidential message, this was Simpson’s esque satire just a few years ago, so sad:
The LameStream Media is the dominant force in trying to get me to keep our Country closed as long as possible in the hope that it will be detrimental to my election success. The real people want to get back to work ASAP. We will be stronger than ever before!
Stimulus hold up...some want it stronger for workers others...well, low wage earners unemployment benefits too generous lol
Reality tv “star”’s movie producer financial man being handed keys to the bank:
Final text of the bill has not been released, but according to a legislative draft, the new law would establish a $4.5 trillion corporate bailout fund overseen by Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin, with few substantive constraints. Some outlets are reporting this as a $500 billion fund, but $425 billion of that can be leveraged 10 times over by the Federal Reserve, resulting in a multi-trillion-dollar program.
Quoted from NicoVolta:I doubt China’s numbers are accurate
I doubt USA’s numbers are correct. In fact, I know they’re not.
Doctor’s how to video on groceries and takeout:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=emb_title&v=sjDuwc9KBps&time_continue=809
Quoted from v8torino:It makes no sense to Over Tax the BIG companies
That’s not happening. They just got a huge tax cut and used the extra funds to buy back their stock which lines investors and corporate pockets. Wage earners see shit from big companies getting tax breaks. That was exactly part of delay on stimulus “omg dems” demanded oversight so they could NOT use the money for stock buybacks and instead have to keep workers on board. You have it completely backwards.
Reposting grocery/takeout how to sanitize for the morning bickerers:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=emb_title&v=sjDuwc9KBps&time_continue=809
Great writer with apt quote for current times:
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
― Isaac Asimov
Quoted from RWH:Worst part is we get no say so in any of it even though it's us that are left to absorb whatever they decide to do.
Don’t elect people working against your self interest. It’s a representative democracy. Go to your reps office, call them. Research what they stand for without relying solely on one source.
Quoted from RWH:That is a totally hollow statement. Name a politician that has been elected and did in fact represent his/her constitutes. You can answer with your parties representatives but in reality you know it's not truth, it's simply partisan at best.
It’s what we have and totally hollow seems like an overstatement. And your response already tells me you have a closed mind and don’t want an answer. Sounds like you’re just venting. I support the people that I think will do the best job based on my research. You can do what you want. It’s a free-ish Country so you can bitch and moan say they’re all the same and throw up your hands...that’s your right.
Quoted from jamesmc:Dry heat, good. Cold dry good. Hot, humid bad.
Score one for Colorado! Nosebleed capital of the world!
Quoted from wrb1977:fantasy
Slowing it is goal so everyone doesn’t get sick in a short period of time which would destroy hospitals and people would die on gurneys waiting for space...or so I’ve heard.
Quoted from JodyG:Any chance you guys would be willing to swap him out
It’s going to be strange having someone competent in the future
So much for the Easter miracle reopening of USA:
Peeps Factory Temporarily Shuts Down Right Before Easter Due to Coronavirus
Quoted from Zablon:The peasants deserve a win once in awhile..
The “extra” cash will be a down payment on your medical debt.
Quoted from woody76:no need for shutdown, maybe Cal, NY and a couple others. This virus is not a death sentence. If you are old or have existing conditions you can stay home.
See: news
Also: State borders can be crossed.
Quoted from vicjw66:daily briefing
Reactive: current meltdown in all areas of response
Proactive: pandemic response team, fully funded CDC, NIH, WHO
Proactive approach would have saved us trillions.
Can’t say areas are “low risk” for a tiered reopening without testing. Furthermore you can’t open one area and expect no travel? WTF? Another hair brained reactive idea. New approach every day it seems. What’s tomorrow’s new idea?
Quoted from OLDPINGUY:Well, We are #1!
He was right! I AM tired of all the winning!
Very stable genius at work:
“I don’t believe you need 40,000 or 30,000 ventilators. You know, you go into major hospitals, sometimes they’ll have two ventilators. And now all of a sudden they’re saying, ‘can we order 30,000 ventilators?’”
Stimulus calc, see if you qualify:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/business/coronavirus-stimulus-check-calculator/
Quoted from dirkdiggler:Prime Minister tests positive for covid19
Quoted from OLDPINGUY:Because he wont win NY, but he could swing the others.
The bias and rhetoric is about the election.
Sometimes it seems thats more important than lives.
Maybe that’s why Florida gets supplies and NY doesn’t? May not be reason but statements like that make you suspicious.
Quoted from OLDPINGUY:Yes, there is a small committee
Probably just release an IG report that will last 5 minutes in our blow torch news cycle and be forgotten. If they can’t enforce actual rules, it’s pretty meaningless with these guys.
Quoted from Oaken:No more car based ventilators. Apparently they cost too much and we need to protect the pocketbook.
His eminence could MAKE them do it with the defense production act...but free market > pandemic
Yeah, that’s like saying we’re at 15 and will soon be ZERO. Fucking delusional!? Am I right? Can I get a HELLYEAAAH?!!
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This maybe says more about how things are normally treated...you may have just dunked on yourself
Quoted from CrazyLevi:You think most people are going back 2 pages to see if someone else got shanked by a mod?
I’ve been removed several times but keep coming back! Like a virus
Quoted from poppapin:Not a fan of Dr. Birx? I thought she was very insightful.
This is why I’m not super confident:
Birx: "[Trump is] so attentive to the scientific literature & the details & the data. I think his ability to analyze & integrate data that comes out of his long history in business has really been a real benefit”
That statement would be laughable if it weren’t so sad.
Michigan in the crosshairs now?
“ After T**** Attacks Whitmer, She Says Vendors Aren't Sending Desperately Needed Coronavirus Supplies”
https://wwjnewsradio.radio.com/articles/after-trump-attacks-whitmer-she-says-fed-supplies-delayed
Quoted from DaveH:The best pizza in the world
We’ve been making our own pizzas instead of ordering like we usually would...with kids home 24/7, no school, sports practices etc lots of time to fill...lots, lots, oh god there is a lot of time, so much.
Suppose we’ll look back on this as a unique moment in the kid’s lives, being able to connect...if all our friends and family live of course. If it goes south, memories won’t be so great.
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I don't need barley but I am on the hunt for Bread Flour.
Quoted from Gryszzz:magical "100" for moderated posts.
You get a t-shirt for that right? I gotta get moving. #trumpisalunatic
Quoted from Jaybird815:I’m pretty sure he would use DPA if needed,
Needed about 2-3 weeks ago. PPE should be up there with vents. Healthcare workers have been screaming for it for awhile. Italy had 51? Doctors die due to lack of PPE among other things.
Quoted from Jaybird815:all I hope for is that lessons have been learned all around
Right on. One I can think of, don’t disband the pandemic response team and fire 2/3 of the people that wargamed this exact scenario in 2016...I digress though we can’t ever look backwards, now is not the time, thoughts and prayers yadayada
Quoted from Zablon:The problem is from the very top.
It’s unprecedented...nobody could have imagined, nobody ran any simulations, nobody had a team...they were handed a raw deal.
As a matter if fact “ You can call it a germ. You can call it a flu. You can call it a virus. You can call it many different names. I'm not sure anyone even knows what it is."
Quoted from russdx:Why has the UK got such a high death rate?
Boris was bragging about handshaking days ago
Quoted from OLDPINGUY:New Yorkers,
Per capita, every other major city would likely look as bad as NYC if they had NYC testing numbers. It’s ridiculous
Quoted from TheFamilyArcade:Definitely for now. We’ll see how that holds up:
My answer on all this, check back in a week. New Orleans? NYC is on top of testing and identifying covid people. As other cities get there it’ll even out. Population density is an issue more there as well as international travel but big cities will look fairly similar eventually.
Quoted from Who-Dey:Man I seriously cannot believe your unamerican way of thinking
Electoral college is widely regarded as out of date. Not a radical assertion or “unamerican” whatever the ef that means...
Quoted from Who-Dey:Educate yourself and find out why
Lol. I did! This isn’t the forum for it but you’re way off. Here’s a hint: 8 of the first 9 presidential races were won by someone from Virginia. You can educate yourself on the rest. I hope.
Quoted from arcademojo:So you’re saying people from Virginia we’re presidential? Or are you saying you don’t think people from Virginia should be presidents?
None of the above. Wrong forum. Go research it if you have a mind that is willing.
Quoted from Who-Dey:if it bothers
What did you put in your Wheaties this morning?
Quoted from Who-Dey:They started it and we will finish it.
Maybe take a walk or jog in place for a bit. Deep breaths. Seriously.
Quoted from Who-Dey:just tell it like it is.
You’re telling it how you see it. VERY ANGRILY. Grrrrrr
Quoted from zr11990:Bullshit
Well researched...at least you didn’t say fake news! Lol.
Re: fleeing states like NYC etc
It is actually not crazy to go to a state with a “nice” governor. As monstrous and irresponsible as it seems, they are getting favored status for covid supplies:
MA received 17% of requested medical supplies from the Trump admin. ME: 5%. CO: 1 day's worth.
FL got everything they requested. + an identical shipment the next week. oh, and a 3rd is on the way.
Quoted from Gryszzz:not sure which one it is.
Some ax relay info. Also, check the out hole switch and then maybe roll a ball in to the start lane.
Seems like a lot of people are reaching the “cranky” stage of the pandemic...at least in this thread.
Quoted from manadams:reconsider living in such a high population density area?
Just read a story in a rural Georgia hospital that had stockpiled for covid and they blew through all of it in a week. Population density or not it’s slamming healthcare.
Quoted from manadams:PPE is going to get used as a precaution even if they get a surge of people who think they have it but end up testing negative.
This was specifically about hospitalizations...they had 1 ICU bed left...this was a couple days ago. Not a bunch of nervous nellies bum rushing them...sick people.
Quoted from Oaken:Us vs. Them isn’t gonna solve anything.
Also we are way past regional or state or county quarantine. Maybe a month ago but now? Can’t put the genie back in the bottle.
The strategy from the top treats this as a messaging program, trying to “win” each news cycle. The avalanche of blame NYC is ludicrous. They are a hot spot NOW(they have also tested the most by far). There are plenty of places that will get there, and they are not just in “blue” states. People need to get their heads around this and be real. Stop following his eminence’s messaging. Look at what’s actually happening, there’s a huge disconnect.
Now we’ll get people arguing that population density is the problem while their local, rural community hospital gets slammed in a week or so. Christ.
Quoted from mbwalker:Looks like the combo of hydroxychloroquine and zinc showing excellent results in NY.
Do you have a non-hannity video source? That’s great IF true. Fauci said just yesterday that this was still anecdotal.
Quoted from Jaybird815:good political free discussions
Ha! Just putting a critical eye to it. I believe the lead healthcare guy for the gov. not a guest on Hannity! Sorry if that’s too political. I’m more of a don’t trust and definitely verify type person.
Quoted from Utesichiban:It would be nice if we knew that having had it provided 100% immunity so you could just go about life not worrying about it anymore.
Based on interviews with Docs on this, the immunity thing is up in the air. Sounds like your immunity is based on the viral load you had. Even with a high amount you aren't forever immune--at most a year or two is their best guess. If you had a mild case, it may be only immunity for a few months and they aren't even positive on that!
So, if you've had it I wouldn't assume 100% anything...there were even anecdotal reports of reinfection. I would still avoid exposure even after having it.
Quoted from Wickerman2:The avalanche of blame NYC is ludicrous. They are a hot spot NOW(they have also tested the most by far). There are plenty of places that will get there, and they are not just in “blue” states.
“Every metro area should assume that they will have an outbreak equivalent to New York,” said Dr. Deborah Birx.
Quoted from Utesichiban:What makes New York and the US so unique that we can't use quarantines in an emergency public health crisis?
Can’t use that strategy without testing. We are 4-6 weeks late at least in testing. It makes no sense to quarantine based on inadequate testing. NYC has done THE MOST testing in US. This is everywhere, stop saying NYC is spreading it up and down the coast. Manhattan folks don’t flee to rural Georgia.
News flash: it’s where you are, it’s where I am...there is no typhoid mary state.
Quoted from arcademojo:11:00 break and political attacks and blame game are full swing once again.
Be safe!
Sorry if things sound political but when you are frustrated with the response and the response is partially driven by partisan politics it’s almost impossible to “sound” neutral. States that happen to have outspoken dem governor’s getting less product than the opposite is outrageous. Telling the vp not to talk to that woman from Michigan...there is case after case showing the occupant of wh is at least trying to punish certain states.
Quoted from Utesichiban:However, pretending like quarantines of hotzone areas where thousands already have it are worthless at this point is ridiculous.
No testing = you can not identify hot zones. See korea, taiwan, China. This is not hard to understand.
SO, again, you “quarantine “ a hot zone with no idea of what’s happening outside hot zone because of lack of testing.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:counting Asians
That’s on Netflix too, add to watch list. They’ll make a show out of anything
Quoted from Luckydogg420:So does that mean their assuming that’s we will get to 100 000 easily without lockdown
15, soon zero.
Quoted from Zablon:They didn't seem to be concerned until around Spring Break.
They just missed the news for 8 weeks, no biggie....bootstraps....pull yourself up it’s just flu.
#15SoonZero
DENVER — Two Colorado doctors are heading to New York on Monday, to help doctors on the front lines at Mount Sinai Hospital treating COVID19 patients.
Quoted from dirkdiggler:Serious question for you guys. Would you go see a doctor or risk a hospital visit right now? I'm pretty sure I need to see a doctor but not even sure there's physicians servicing my area and would have to go to a ER at a local hospital most likely.
I’d avoid it but depends what issue you have. Send a PM to the pinball doctor, ask him based on your symptoms.
Quoted from dirkdiggler:Haven't been to a doctor in 13 years
That’s quite a stretch! And you need one now in a pandemic? That stinks. No option for telemedicine? Maybe call and explain symptoms at least before heading to a virus filled ER?
Quoted from OLDPINGUY:Was this a Good thing?
Instead, accuse healthcare workers in NYC of stealing thousands them. Leadership. #15SoonZero
Quoted from CrazyLevi:Florida
Florida....wow. If I were a neighboring state I might consider checking license plates. The man there, the governor? Handling it very poorly. Florida superspreaders.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:getting a free pass.
And 100% of his supply asks! Sorry Michigan, Colorado, New York etc
Quoted from jlm33:Moderation notice:
Please no more comments on Who-Dey admitting he was wrong... We got it and he got it ! Thanks.
Right! Move on to the drunken stock broker now. Bada boom 
Quoted from Who-Dey:I mean its not like i was going off on people and making fun of them and telling them that they were stupid and stuff, i just didn’t think it was going to happen.
No making fun or calling stupid at all. Glad you evolved, that’s progress.
Edit: you tell it like it is...that’s how it was
Quoted from ForceFlow:Direct deposits of stimulus funds starts the week of April 13th. Paper checks will start being issued May 5th.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/02/paper-stimulus-checks-could-be-delayed-by-up-to-5-months.html
37348AD5-8786-4A1D-B0DB-FE01F4C86659 (resized).jpegQuoted from arcademojo:Colorado
Quoted from arcademojo:next big hot spots
Should be, judging from the big groups of 20 somethings I saw chillin at the Park together this afternoon. No masks. Steered the dog well away.
“A review of federal purchasing contracts by The Associated Press shows federal agencies waited until mid-March to begin placing bulk orders of N95 respirator masks, mechanical ventilators and other equipment needed by front-line health care workers.”
Quoted from Who-Dey:Umm....that's not what he said.
11276DF6-9F5D-4BC8-8080-97968AE7E1BC (resized).jpegQuoted from Mr68:That drug Trump spoke of is hydroxychloroquine. It's already FDA approved and has been used safely for many years. And it's being used in clinical trials right now with FDA approval.
Fda approved for label usage NOT as a prophylactic for novel corona.
“ Key background: Trump said Sunday that the Food and Drug Administration has approved hydroxychloroquine. However, the F.D.A. has not approved it, or any drug for that matter, to treat COVID-19”
“ hydroxychloroquine has been green-lighted by the F.D.A. to treat rheumatoid arthritis and lupus.”
Quoted from Mr68:Off label use, with doctor approval
Sounds good. Which is waaaaaaay different than a non doctor saying take it BEFORE you even have covid and then pointedly NOT allowing a real doctor to answer the question about this drug.
Quoted from jlm33:About hydroxychloroquine: we do not have yet in France the results of a conclusive clinical trial.
The one performed by Didier Raoult did not include a proper control group...
I am not saying it does not work... just that it is not YET approved here (except for very ill patients and in a hospital environment).
At least 3 people died in France because of hydroxychloroquine self-administration. All because of severe side effects on heart.
If you have any preexisting heart condition DO NOT TAKE IT WITHOUT MEDICAL SUPERVISION.
You guys
Quoted from WJxxxx:How would he be classified as high risk?
Never seen his medical records, but in terms of behavior:
“ Boris Johnson said he was shaking hands with coronavirus patients just weeks before he tested positive for Covid-19. The prime minister confirmed he had entered self-isolation on Friday 27 March. Early this month, he insisted that people would be 'pleased to know' that the virus would not stop him greeting hospital patients with a handshake”
Quoted from CrazyLevi:Until then it’s just more Of the same happy talk horseshit based on nothing.
Almost like the daily “briefings” aren’t about the virus at all...developing
Quoted from TheFamilyArcade:hope anyone he passed it on to as a result of his misguided and irresponsible behavior doesn’t die.
His pregnant girlfriend, his health minister and at least a couple other cabinet members. Hopefully they’ll not go south.
People with lupus and arthritis get covid-19 and have not miraculously been cured nor were they immune to covid. If that were the case we would have heard. I have read the opposite from actual Doctors.
Follow the money.
That it should NOT be promoted as a prophylactic that has already led to someone in Arizona being killed...yes! Total agreement.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:I’m desperate for some good news but I know it’s too early.
Maybe....
Gov. Cuomo: Total hospitalizations nearing a plateau in New York, ICU admissions & intubations declining
Quoted from rwmech5:Might change your perspective
Plenty of unintelligent people, bottom line, they heard that something would save them. It didn’t and should’ve never been promoted as such. Dangerous.
NBC News spoke to the wife, who said they learned of chloroquine's connection to coronavirus during a President Donald Trump news conference, which "was on a lot actually." They took it because they "were afraid of getting sick," she said.
Quoted from rwmech5:donation history
What does donation history have to do with hearing about an unproven drug from the president?
Quoted from PantherCityPins:Might work if they can assure no one has coronavirus when they enter the compound.
Seems like all these things will require a level of testing we don’t currently have...?
Quoted from cottonm4:I get to read about your cooking, your puzzles, your booze, baseball, etc.
Don’t forget all the cat pics...
Quoted from Luckydogg420:China lies about their numbers.
Probably, but our numbers are likely way off as well.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/04/05/us/coronavirus-deaths-undercount.amp.html
Quoted from cottonm4:By how much do you or anyone think they are under reporting?
CIA is on it but we’re not supposed to trust our intelligence agencies these days...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/us/politics/cia-coronavirus-china.amp.html
Quoted from cottonm4:Where are you seeing these reports? Got a link, please?
I thought that was the new policy in this thread? No?
I ate steak umms as a kid. They were probably horse meat. That said, they make a good point. Didn’t realize they were on twitter.
Quoted from cait001:Wyoming still the only state without a single death due to COVID-19.
? Seems unlikely...it’s a short drive from CO and we have plenty to share.
? Bad news:
L'association hydroxychloroquine-l'azithromycine, "nous avons déjà dû interrompre le traitement" annonce le chef du service de cardiologie du CHU de Nice
French hospital halts hydroxychloroquine treatment study due to cardiac side effects
Where’s the resident French source?
Good news but why didn’t they get sent when Governor Polis asked? Or our other Senator...what’s special about Cory? Oh well, at least we’re getting them.
T-“Will be immediately sending 100 Ventilators to Colorado at the request of Senator Gardner!“
Quoted from arcademojo:Michigan state Rep. Karen Whitsett thanks Trump, hydroxychloroquine for helping save her life from coronavirus
So we can thank him for something that may have worked but not blame him for things that go South? Can I report on healthcare workers that are doing the opposite of thanking him?
Quoted from Mr68:but my sense is that you desire failure for political reasons
Your sense is incorrect and your post is personally insulting. I don’t particularly care though so that’s fine. It’s not about me or you. I want success but I also want realistic factual information presented.
It was an honest question given the posting rules. There is a massive amount of places where our response could improve but posting anything critical is questioned, yet posting thank you by name is cool.
I am thinking critically and will continue regardless. Ignore my posts if they are bothering you.
Path to reopening Country needs massive improvement in testing:
Drug shortages for patients taking them for proven label use:
Quoted from arcademojo:Vents, PPE, medicine and any other supplies we need NOW!
Yes we are running out and have very little ways of manufacturing more because almost everything we need comes from China.
What is the solution?
California governor may have figured it out. Sounds like he said screw this competing with other states and fema...used CA purchasing power and committed to a monthly contract for 200 million masks/month.
Why couldn’t the feds do this?? Like 2 months ago?
Quoted from BShing:The site Medmastery did an analysis of the French study about Hydroxychloroquine for Covid-19 patients. Wow.
Not that I understand it 100%, but great summary. That study was pretty messy.
Quoted from redhawk1689:This is NOT the time to be playing partisan politics!!!
Agreed. Colorado should get ventilators when the Governor begs for them, not only when the gop Senator up for re-election asks. That seems clearly political.
Also re-read your own post.
Quoted from arcademojo:So I'm not clear why several people keep trying to discrete every post that someone post on that SHOWS it is doing some good.
Because science vs anecdotes...also some serious double standards
Quoted from arcademojo:What you really meant to say was because it was mentioned by someone that isn't in your political preference.
Nothing to do with it. Keep politics out of it please. No “sides”. Science isn’t a “side”. It’s science. Listen to the vast majority of Doctors that want to be safe, but hopeful, like Dr. Fauci. Please lay off the political sides stuff.
New details from HHS and FEMA released by the Oversight Committee indicates that federal government has depleted 90% of its stockpile of respirators/gloves/other emergency equipment. Remaining 10% will be kept for federal workers.
Quoted from jlm33:I can't read Swedish, but it seems some Swedish hospital have stopped using chloroquine as well.
Swedish hospitals abandon trial of promising malaria drug chloroquine for coronavirus patients after it caused them blinding headaches, vision loss and agonising cramps
Quoted from Oaken:Seems a bit early to be ending any kind of testing support, but here we are:
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/08/829955099/federal-support-for-coronavirus-testing-sites-end-as-peak-nears
Sounds like the plan was to transition to some other testing but that’s not in place yet. Weird they would stop. Everything says to get Country open again you need massive testing and contact tracing.
Quoted from TheFamilyArcade:I have a sinking suspicion more and more people that live alone are going to be discovered dead in their homes before this is over. Lots of apartment buildings in NYC.
Emergency Medical Service data first reported by Gothamist suggests the undercount of individuals who have likely died from the virus is massive. On Tuesday alone, 256 people were pronounced dead at home across the five boroughs. Until this month, about 25 people in New York City were found dead in their homes on a typical day, suggesting that most of Tuesday’s calls were related to the outbreak that has already killed over 5,400 people across the state and infected 140,386 more.
Rural hospitals closing, next wave of covid expected to hit those communities.
https://www.shepscenter.unc.edu/programs-projects/rural-health/rural-hospital-closures/
Quoted from woody76:there are also studies suggesting overcounts of deaths.
I’ve heard that reported by Tucker Carlson and Bill O’reilly. The line seems to be, these people were on their last legs anyway, something would have killed them. The stats in NYC seem logically to point to covid...if they normally have 25 dead in homes, and now they have 200-300? What’s happening now that might cause that? Birx and Fauci just addressed this contention of over counting and said it’s false and has no basis. Seems like political messaging.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:People really like Fauci
He should be our point guard on this crisis:
AD201EDE-F4D0-4AE4-81DC-767FCAF9ECAF (resized).jpegQuoted from CrazyLevi:Do you think Fauci should be replaced?
And if so, should it be Dr Oz, Dr Drew, or Dr Phil?
Quoted from cottonm4:not signing up for the Medicaid expansion. The company that bought the hospital 2 years ago also owns 2 other hospitals. I told GF that the owners saw this shit coming and said noway nohow.
Read estimates of around $40,000 to treat severe Covid patient. This jives:
“ less severe hospitalizations for respiratory infections and inflammations cost $13,297 in 2017. For a more severe hospitalization, the cost was about $40,000”
One way to be part of the .6% of the US that’s been tested:
The White House Medical Unit is going to conduct a COVID-19 test on all members of the press who plan to participate in today’s task force briefing, including all correspondents and photographers
Quoted from Kiwipinhead:If you have Covid-19 in the U.S who pays for the test,medical or hospital stay? Insurance, you or government ?
Good one! 
Quoted from Kiwipinhead:Sorry but I don't know how it works in the US, I thought if you were not insured you had to pay, So if I was one of the 10 million that just had been laid off and have no money why would I go get a 2-3k Covid test.
It’s a mix of all that...you aren’t far off really.
Quoted from darkpinball:what has it been reversed and who admit its a mistake?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/5817412/sweden-coronavirus/%3famp=true
Doing nothing and trying to get herd immunity when they don’t know if you become immune. I don’t think they’re admitting it really, they have some restrictions which sounds new.
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