DO NOT FEED THE TROLL!

DO NOT FEED THE TROLL!

I'm glad that we don't have much of a gun culture. We can spend our gun money on TP.

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Do a lot of you go to fox for your news? Serious question.

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It's pretty much impossible to take politics out of the most politically important event of our time. I hate our PM, but he seems to be taking hints from Europe. Good on him. Like him or hate him, your guy doesn't take hints from anybody, including Europe or scientists. Mexico's guy is in denial, which is even worse. We can have a balanced discussion about decisions made that will affect all of us.

The American corporations are going steal everything they can. That will be the real story when the dust settles.

Looks like we have a giant aid package that just passed. I wonder if we're going to see inflation or if it will be all relative. If we do see it, I hate the fact that I'll be punished for being a good manager and saver with my finances.

Oh, I have no issue with helping the poor or small businesses, but most of the aid package will go to corporations that either don't need it or sucked every penny of profit out for execs. Most of these would deserve to fail. In the end, I'll likely have to pony up 20% of my savings to these assholes via inflation.

Multiple logical fallicies.. Where to begin. I never named a specific corporation, but let's start with Goldman Sachs? I'm talking the big guys who have stolen from the coffers in the past.

It's not unpopular to want to reopen the economy. Arguments like that make you look silly. I was obviously arguing for a package that does not favour corporations that DO NOT NEED aid.

I never mentioned people dying, and your insinuation that I support that again makes you look silly. Please read, or reread, or improve your reading comprehension if you want to argue.

That's where you lost me.

I really do wish people could be in the middle. I consider myself to be. I do disagree that people "swipe." For example, Hannity has hundreds of documented lies. It doesn't matter if you like him or not, this is a fact. Facts don't lie. This is not a swipe. It is critical thinking. "You should not trust this man because he lies." I'm sure Maddow has made some mistakes, but she does not have a similar list. You might not like her opinions, and that's fine. I may not like her opinions. That's fine too. If you remove emotion, it's pretty easy to distinguish facts from fiction. I like some right-wing policies, and I like some left-wing policies. We all hate liars. It's just a human quality that we do not tollerate on a day-to-day basis.

It's a good strategy. "We'll be back to work at Easter"

Anyone with a brain: "yeah right."

So what is the rule for moderation? We're not allowed to post quotes from politicians during the most important political moment in the last century? Back to Netflix I guess....

Did you forget to use this?

Man, our contry is still completely asleep on this. The new "rule" is that IF you have covid symptoms, you can't board a plane. How in the hell can you still board a plane??? There's lineups to get into grocery stores, yet you can get on an inclosed tube for hours and sit right beside a fellow idiot. I suppose we'll wait for the death numbers to go up before cancelling all air travel. Man, the stupidity is astounding.

There shouldn't be any blame placed on NY, but state lockdown is a pretty good idea. That means ALL states, not just NY. If they locked down the provinces in Canada, I'd applaud it. Everyone is saying "stay the fuck home," so locking down states should only affect losers that want to travel, relocate etc. etc.

Just like Crooked Hillary (political joke, not statement - meant to be neutral for a laugh - haha from left and right and centre - funny)

Lock-them-up!
Lock-them-up!
Lock-them-up!

CBC just covered rise of Asian racism in the US and a severe spike in Asians buying guns. US government officials tried to have the virus named Wuhan Virus, which was flatly rejected by the international community.

They interviewed people buying guns for the first time. They each said that "leaders" are responsible for the hatred they are living with.

Support your fellow Americans and slap down racism, even if it feels subtle to you. On the other side, it's not subtle.

That's not the story I heard. I'm sure it is a large minority of citizens, but racism is on the rise due to Covid, whether you like it or not.

Are you really that simple? I wasn't trying to attack the USA. I was relaying what I literally heard on the radio at the time. Of course we have racists too.

This thread has clarified to me how Odin has made it to 50917 posts.

You were wrong about the biggest deal in your lifetime, and the science was right in front of your face. Maybe time to be introspective?

No, just reevaluate the way you consume and process information. Your the one who doesn't think it's a big deal that you failed to understand what was true. Said so yourself. It IS a big deal.

Gotta love people that spread disinformation and then play the victim when they're called on it.

Love the logic: admit your wrong and all responsibilities for your actions disappear. I can simplify my point of you like: people should try to learn something from their mistakes. They should care about them.

Now that you're on your horse to the rescue, please, let's hear you attempt to distort and deny that simple message...

If you have an itchy throat and are coughing alot, gargling water with a teaspoon of cayenne pepper thoroughly mixed in will stop the itch. The burning of the pepper feels like scratching on the itch. Have to do it about every hour. Way better than the numbing spray.

I was in the middle of testing with my doc, and I'm putting it on hold until probably January or so. That's the earliest I see this ending... In our house, we're only going to the doc/hospital if we're seriously and immediately ill. That's just us though.

Ugh... reading comprehension.. again! Where did I say I have a heart problem? Never had a single issue in my life.

For you and your crew of deniers: Far, far, far less than 90% of the population thought this was "fake news." It's only the Fox crew that thought that. Most of the first world was amazed at the response. You supported this response.

You said you were wrong, and that's great. I commend you for it. But you also said you didn't care that you were wrong, a point you notedly left out in your reply. I simply responded by stating that you should care, and, sorry, I'm right. You should care. You should reconsider trusting Fox. That's it. But your blinders are on yet again. So run blind. Run free. I won't run with you though because, as we all know, my heart is such a concern.

That's kinda nuts considering how bad it over there. Is that a barge full of medical supplies?

True colors shining through. Don't be afraid.

You mention MSNBC, not me. I mentioned that I am in testing with my doc a few posts back, and that's yearly bloodwork for my yearly physical. I have never had a surgery in my life, and I'm in good physical health.

The only thing I'm debating you about is caring about being wrong. You don't care, and I think you should. That's it. Let's agree to disagree and move on.

That's so cool. And I bet it brings positive thoughts to the city. Glad to see it.

Judging by her accent, she came from Australia. Your xenophobia is depressing. Mods?

"I love the smell of kfc in the morning. The smell, you know that herbs and spices smell? The whole neighborhood. Smelled like... Diabetes."

My wife is a pilot and she's on reduced hours and will likely be demoted to a smaller aircraft then laid off. My hours have increased because I'm an online specialist in my department.

It's probably going to be like the 30s. About 30% of the population will be screwed. The rest will be fine.

By fine I mean not be completely destitute.

Interesting to see the way people respond to our gov'ts aid package. What bugs me the most is that many of my fellow citizens cry for free-market capitalism, which has it's good and bad points, until the handouts start flowing. It's amazing that people who max out debt, don't save a dime, and bitch about paying taxes are the first in line and the loudest when shit hits the fan.

I do agree that those who need help should get it - those who need things like food and shelter and keeping a business alive - but if irresponsible consumers need to sell some assets to get by, that's life. The government's role is not to support quality of life, especially at a citizen's convenience.

Clearly you guys have been stockpiling food. The trolls are being fed very well!

By basic logic, the numbers 100% have to be higher than those reported, a lot higher. Our province is considered to be one of the most vigilant in testing, and we're still completely unsure of actual numbers. The numbers are an educated guess.

I'm not a conspiracy nut, but I do see it as the government's best interest to lie. They will keep lying and bumping the date of "return to normal" to keep panic at a low. We will continue to see extensions in the self isolation recommendations. There is probably only one leader that actually thought it would go away pretty quick.

China has a history of posturing ("nothing wrong over here") for ages, so they are definitely lying about their numbers.

One thing most scientists agree on, from what I've read, is that herd immunity is only possible with a minimum of 50% (most likely 80%) getting the virus. This is why we're trying to flatten the curve. Most of us are going to get it unless a vaccine comes very soon, and it's going to take a long time for this to get through a population that is isolating.

My best guess, from a guy who took one undergraduate statistics course lol, is that social isolation will go on until at least July at best and December at worst.

The countries that let their elderly die will be done with this much quicker. I've heard 3-4 months and it's pretty much gone, along with Grandpa Charlie and Grandma Sue.

If this was already posted, my apologies. Needed a break from the thread.

"The Chinese government has disclosed only 3,304 deaths from coronavirus. Yet funeral homes in Wuhan have disposed of an estimated 42,000 corpses, according to Radio Free Asia."

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-boris-johnsons-government-reportedly-furious-with-china-2020-3

CATAN!

From what I gather from the article, the suspicion is the number is much higher than normal, so, mostly.

I have no idea about any of your behaviours, but that fallacy is a really old hat:

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Friend_argument

I'm sure they have oodles of choice and were well informed as to what they were getting into. The concierge services at the refugee camps does a great job with their flyers and brochures.

Been debating with friends about what's happening, what should happen and what will happen with regard to covid. Here's a summary:

1. What's happening -Many smaller cities and areas are flattening the curve very well, maybe too well. Numbers are down, and society is at a stand-still, for the most part. Things are happening possibly too slow. Major centres have far higher numbers, and will get through the horror much quicker, likely too quick.

2. What should happen -This is a tough one. The concensus that I'm hearing is that there is no way society will last like this for a year. There is no guarantee that there will be a vaccine. Two possibilies that might work: (1) Enforce strict adherence to masks, sanitizer etc. everywhere and impose steep fines for those who do not follow. Open up half (less crowded, interactive parts) of society and work diligently to protect the elderly. (2) Enforce all of the first solution except for age groups. Let out those under 25, no restrictions. Then move up to 35 and so on, all the time protecting the elderly. These ideas will only work in smaller communities, but shouldn't we have our hospitals at around 50% with covid if we plan to get through this without a vaccine? We simply cannot bank on a vaccine, unfortunately, and the economy, not just money, but our entire system that pays for our social programs, must start its recover soon.

3. What will happen -The governments don't seem to have a part B figured out for this pandemic, so the lockdown will remain. More people will join the protests and refuse to self-isolate in less than three months. They will stop following the lockdown and the virus will overload the health system everywhere and we get all the bad results that we've been trying to avoid.

I'm not sure if any of this is correct, just what I'm hearing and thinking. What do you guys think?

PBS, npr, Al Jazeera, CBC in Canada, BBC... Lots of good news sources that are far less biased.

That reminds me of the time CBC tried to add some junk to get more eyes and ears. Man, did they get an earful. Made me proud of my fellow Canucks.

Honest question, have you ever been outside of the United States? Every time I go to the countries you mention, I don't want to leave. My country has consistently been ranked pretty high on the livablity scale. I've traveled extensively, and I've never heard a single human being respond to their home country the way you profess.

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High hopes there. You're talking about reversing inter-generational societal norms. These take decades to change and require constant pressure and legislation.

Please don't take this as political, but your system is close to beyond repair, regardless of who leads. Ours is always just a step behind. Good times!

"Argument from ignorance (from Latin: argumentum ad ignorantiam), also known as appeal to ignorance (in which ignorance represents "a lack of contrary evidence"), is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false or a proposition is false because it has not yet been proven true."

That's one loooong-assed logical fallacy. LoL.

This post was surprisingly worse than your last. To summarize:

"I don't believe any of your sources because it's so hard to get access to good information. I can help you to understand this, but I won't because you won't like what I say or refuse to believe what I say."

LoL. Please take a course in logic of you want to profess logic to others. The irony here is mentally painful. You literally hurt my brain.

Summarization is a form of interpretation, not quotation, and I never offered an opinion on your content, just the logic or lack thereof.

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In little Lethbridge, the process was streamlined. Booked an appointment online. Showed up. Paperwork for 1 minute. Stuck the next minute. Wait for 15 in a cubicle to be sure you don't turn into sloth... Done!

I did get the AstraZeneca, which gave me the chills about six hours later, even in a scorching bath. I'm feeling better now. I'm assuming a response is better than none as some ppl apparently don't react to the vaccines at all and are not protected (20% - your mileage may vary).

I'd recommend everyone plan for potentially being down for 48 hours with any of them. I didn't realize symptoms appear in 1 in 10. I'll update tomorrow to let you know if I get worse.

Again, I'm GLAD I have symptoms. Get a damned vaccines if you can. Hearing about ppl who survive covid makes this a walk in the park.

I'm still a bit tired on day four after first AstraZeneca shot. It was pretty rough, but way better than covid!

It really shouldn't be a question of anyone's feelings. The evidence is pretty clear. They help. We need to curb the spread until the levels are way down.