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Post #1 Important warning Posted by Daditude (1 year ago)

Post #6 Coronavirus website with up-to-the-moment stats Posted by Daditude (1 year ago)

Post #172 Key posted, but no summary given Posted by Pinball_Gizzard (1 year ago)

Post #193 Name of disease and of the virus Posted by Pinball_Gizzard (1 year ago)

Post #209 Explains why you need social distancing Posted by Pinball_Gizzard (1 year ago)

Post #239 Comment on seasonality Posted by Pinball_Gizzard (1 year ago)

Post #251 Avoid ibuprofen Posted by Pinball_Gizzard (1 year ago)

Post #370 Info on chloroquine Posted by Pinball_Gizzard (1 year ago)

Post #530 News from Italy Posted by Pedretti_Gaming (1 year ago)

Post #693 Important info and advice Posted by ForceFlow (1 year ago)

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#1816 1 year ago
Quoted from RWH:

I have to call the hospital today as I'm scheduled for pulmonary test tomorrow but, to be honest I don't want to go in the hospital. I'm in the age bracket that is most at risk, although I question that with all the younger people coming up sick. Seems to me at this point there is no "at most risk" group, this virus is infecting and killing indiscriminately throughout our population.

Just cancel. It doesn’t matter if you are at risk or not. If something isn’t critical right now, just put it off until we can get a handle on things. The only reason anyone should be leaving their house is to get food, care for someone that needs care, deliver supplies, or they have a medical emergency. Other than that, just stay home.

#2079 1 year ago
Quoted from titanpenguin:

I drink in moderation.

I drink in my garage.

#2301 1 year ago
Quoted from dirkdiggler:

It was so delicious that I don't think I can go back to boxed pasta.

Good, because there is none left in the stores

#2814 1 year ago
Quoted from JodyG:

They caught him and he has been charged with something like Terroristic Threats. Happened in Missouri.

How did they catch him? Was there a hidden security camera he didn’t notice?

#3212 1 year ago

700 posts in 24 hours. This thread is on fire!

I’ve noticed that I can’t even keep up. I have to skip hundreds of posts each time I check the thread.

#3403 1 year ago
Quoted from Who-Dey:

They should allow "one" thread where people can discuss politics. People who don't like discussing that could simply just not come in and participate in the discussion. Just my opinion.....

We can no longer discuss politics civilly. The division has been stoked so deeply that a thread that allowed it would just be a contest of who could get the other side to go away in frustration and anger. Pinside is not the place for it, as it would not end well.

#3850 1 year ago
Quoted from swampfire:

Nominating this guy as the Pinside COVID mascot.[quoted image]

Awwww. Now I'm sad.

I've only played Andromeda once (well, actually about 20 times, but all during the same weekend). And that was at Pinburgh last year. I played it during the competition for the first time. And after the competition, I went back to it. Have you ever had that wonderful feeling of just clicking with a game? Not in the way of playing great, but just that you fell in love with the it? Of course you have, because you are a pinhead, and you're on a pinball site. That was me with Andromeda. I just wanted to play it again and again. Unfortunately after about 5 games on it, the game went down. However, if you have ever been to Pinburgh, you know that the tech staff there is just AMAZING! So the next time I went over there, it was working perfectly again. That meant I got to play it more

The reason I'm sad about it is that I don't think Pinburgh will happen this year, so I won't get to play it again. I realize that won't be a popular opinion, but I'm thinking that it will be just a bit too soon to have a thousand people from all over the world sharing flipper buttons. Oh crap, I was discussing pinball. Sorry guys, back to the end of the world...

#4140 1 year ago
Quoted from Jaybird815:

I hope people are supporting the mom and pop takeout places, the McDonald’s of the world will survive this no matter what, not sure about the smaller places.

Nope. Not right now. And that is a total bummer, because I help support a few mom and pop places. One especially that I would be really bummed about if they are not able to survive the economic hit. But I just can't risk it right now. But what is more important? A Rib Eye & Risotto that is one of the best things I've ever tasted or my health? The best pizza in the world (eggplant and black olive by my local shop) or my health?

This all has to pass before I start letting someone else cook food and handle dishes for me again. I don't mind the normal risks of life, but this one has me spooked. And yeah, someone very close to me (the closest person in the world to me) caught it. So I'm being even more careful now.

#4276 1 year ago
Quoted from mcluvin:

If you ever get a DNA test, don't be shocked if the cops come a calling about your uncle. That ain't normal dude.

Please don’t ever go to a farm. Your sensibilities might get injured.

This is purely just a commentary on the things that happen to animals on farms. I don’t know if that is where his uncle killed these cats, but all animals are just things on farms that eat food and cost money. Pigs are just bacon that hasn’t been harvested yet. Cows are just production machines or steaks.

Quoted from Bublehead:

RIP Borneo, aka Mr. Bitey. :’-(

Sorry for your loss. Cats rule, dogs drool.

#4382 1 year ago
Quoted from tomdotcom:

This is what happens when you order groceries online for the first time ever and can't calculate bananas by the kilogram.[quoted image]

I try not to predict the future unless it has already passed. However, I see banana bread in your future.

#5002 1 year ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Damn I gotta see this Tina show looks good[quoted image][quoted image][quoted image]

One of my favorite parts about Times Square is the sea of humanity there. Especially after getting out of a show. That place just gets nuts. My next visit there was scheduled for July, but that’s already off the table. It’s a bummer. No Totto Ramen for lunch, no spaghetti at Scarpetta for dinner. No pinball at Reciprocal... ever again (damnit, still bummed they closed). Hopefully I can just run down for a show in the fall if the world opens back up.

#5421 1 year ago
Quoted from sataneatscheese:

How can we tell if one of our posts has been moderated?

The easiest way is to click on the little guy to the right of your username. Then just scroll through all your posts in this thread. You will see the moderation tag.

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#5655 1 year ago

Boo. I was going to guess Jumping Jack. Because the two player version is better? No, because I have JJ, I moved on my Jack in the box years ago.

#6483 1 year ago

I hate to look at the other side... but I will. This map really needs a second layer of cases overlay on it. As it is, the red areas look like one thing, but are actually another.

#6774 1 year ago

The number was chosen to be used in the future. It was meant to be a marker to declare victory against later. Instead of developing it to make informed decisions, it’s going to be used to say how great a job the government did to make it only 80,000 deaths when we have that many. That’s why there is also no timeframe on it. It’s like wanting a Camaro, but telling your wife you want a Audi. She freaks at the price, and then you “settle” for just a Camaro.

I tried to write that without getting political, but if that went over the line, I’ll take my medicine.

#6841 1 year ago
Quoted from JodyG:

Because....Georgia. Just like how the governor of Florida exempted religious gatherings from the stay at home order...so I guess 1000 person church services are a go. Some of the people participating may even get to meet god by Easter!

This is disgusting. Not your post, the fact that they are going to have people gather in churches like that. People will catch it there. People will die. It really is that simple. I'm not an alarmist. Not everyone will die... but enough will. And then some of the people that care for those sick people will also catch it. And then some of them will also die. I assume at some point the pastors will be charged with manslaughter for each death. Because that is the correct charge when people die from your negligence, right? Or is there enough malice now to consider it murder?

#6872 1 year ago
Quoted from CanadianGamer:

I thought the US still had freedom of speech? Apparently not so much. Is this true that clubs and bars censor your speech? Crazy.

This isn't the US. This is a private website. You may want to familiarize yourself with Pinside.


#7480 1 year ago
Quoted from DCFAN:

I was talking about the charting of deaths. I don't believe those numbers are missing much unlike China which is incinerating bodies 24 hours a day and not reporting it.
It is obvious that the number of infected in the US and in the rest of the world is much higher than is being reported because those that are not tested or have not gotten results from tests are not being counted. I would guess there is already well over a million cases in the US.[quoted image]

Every time I see this rolling average I get a little more freaked out. Just because I know where the data went from there. The US is going to be number one with a bullet in a week. Every number we have reads that it takes a couple weeks after a “stay at home” to start slowing progress. So states that don’t have them, or have massive exceptions like Florida are going to have a rough time of it 2 weeks from now.

In trying to make things seem better in America, we are making them much worse.

#7632 1 year ago
Quoted from Murphdom:

Here is a question for those who are considered “essential” workers. Are you being required by your employers to take your temperature before work? Not necessarily in front of them. It could be on the honor system.

It depends on the industry. If you work in a skilled nursing facility, yes. You can’t walk in the door without having your temperature taken. No honor system, someone takes it right there.

#7644 1 year ago
Quoted from Wolfmarsh:

one of the things we've done recently for covid is taking mobile phone location data, cross referencing those data points with long term care facilities like SNFs that have confirmed cases, and identifying other facilities these people went to.

Some SNFs (pronounced Sniff for those that don’t know) have stopped allowing that. A large one near me has laid off all per diem staff that worked at more than one facility to prevent cross contamination. My first reaction was surprise, followed a second later by “wow, smart”.

#7842 1 year ago

What did you do tonight?

I played competitive pinball for the first time in a month (and got my ass kicked).

So this is slightly on and off topic. But I’ve been cooped up for a long time, and it’s been getting too me. I couldn’t hang out with my friends. League is on hold until we can all get back together. My girlfriend caught Covid (recovering thank goodness). And I’ve been missing pinball. Sure, I’ve been playing. I’ve even tried my hand at streaming (Pandemic Pinball). But I’ve missed playing pinball with friends.

So tonight Knoler and I started up a FaceTime chat. We are friends in real life, and we both own Stern Star Trek. We bought mounts for our iPads.

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And then we started competing. The first few games were for score. We shut off all ball savers, and we took turns just like normal play. We did have to adjust our volumes to get it right, and then the trash talk started.

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That was just a blast. Because we were taking turns and I playing like we would if we were standing at the same game, it felt real.

Then we started objective based for time. This started getting crazy fun. We used stopwatches on our phones for “first to start Klingon multiball”. “First to get a full bank of photon torpedos”. Basically using any objective we could think of that could be timed. “destroy the vengeance” was just crazy fun. We supplemented that one that if the first person failed, if the other person did it, they won no matter the time. But if the second didn’t, the lowest time to burn out after starting it won.

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In the end, this was amazingly fun. I felt like I played pinball for the first time in ages. We drank beers and wine. I was munching on crackers. Besides the fact that he was about 15 miles away, it totally felt like we were in the same room playing pinball. Whether I was saying “nice shot” or “fumble”, just like I would if we actually were in the same room. If you have a friend that had the same game, I HIGHLY recommend trying this. Because you’re friends, the difference between the two games are meaningless. Although we did set them to the same pitch and settings (competition mode) and no ball savers to make it as even as we could.

Very fun times in all this crap.

#9331 1 year ago
Quoted from o-din:

If the rest of the country does open back by the end of the month like is being discussed, it might be time for Ca. to finally succeed from the rest of the nation.
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I always wonder who would benefit the most if California ever did leave. I don’t think it would be California, and I don’t think it would be America.

#9601 1 year ago
Quoted from Daditude:

Anyone else picking up an Easter weekend pin?

My game room is a bit overloaded right now, and it’s still a little too cold to crank up the garage. So I’ve been getting that “new pin” feeling by rotating games through the game room. Today 4 Square gets taken apart and will be replaced by MET out of storage.

#9717 1 year ago
Quoted from DaveH:

What did you do tonight?
I played competitive pinball for the first time in a month (and got my ass kicked).
So this is slightly on and off topic. But I’ve been cooped up for a long time, and it’s been getting too me. I couldn’t hang out with my friends. League is on hold until we can all get back together. My girlfriend caught Covid (recovering thank goodness). And I’ve been missing pinball. Sure, I’ve been playing. I’ve even tried my hand at streaming (Pandemic Pinball). But I’ve missed playing pinball with friends.
So tonight knoler and I started up a FaceTime chat. We are friends in real life, and we both own Stern Star Trek. We bought mounts for our iPads.
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And then we started competing. The first few games were for score. We shut off all ball savers, and we took turns just like normal play. We did have to adjust our volumes to get it right, and then the trash talk started.
[quoted image]
That was just a blast. Because we were taking turns and I playing like we would if we were standing at the same game, it felt real.
Then we started objective based for time. This started getting crazy fun. We used stopwatches on our phones for “first to start Klingon multiball”. “First to get a full bank of photon torpedos”. Basically using any objective we could think of that could be timed. “destroy the vengeance” was just crazy fun. We supplemented that one that if the first person failed, if the other person did it, they won no matter the time. But if the second didn’t, the lowest time to burn out after starting it won.
[quoted image]
In the end, this was amazingly fun. I felt like I played pinball for the first time in ages. We drank beers and wine. I was munching on crackers. Besides the fact that he was about 15 miles away, it totally felt like we were in the same room playing pinball. Whether I was saying “nice shot” or “fumble”, just like I would if we actually were in the same room. If you have a friend that had the same game, I HIGHLY recommend trying this. Because you’re friends, the difference between the two games are meaningless. Although we did set them to the same pitch and settings (competition mode) and no ball savers to make it as even as we could.
Very fun times in all this crap.

Another day of Pandemic Pinball with Knoler today.

Today we setup our Metallica’s.

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Again, because we are friends in real life, the differences in the games are easy to account for. In the case, I own a Pro, and he owns a Premium. So yeah, the spinner is an advantage in some stuff. And of course, the super spinner is a big advantage. But we don’t worry about that stuff.

I highly recommend trying this with friends that own the same game. A couple of iPads, mounts for them, and you’re off for a day of fun.

Today’s games were a bunch of games for score. Fastest to start 2x. Fastest to the 3rd level mystery. Fastest to Lady Justice. Fastest to Seek and Destroy. Collect the most band members. Fastest to start Sparky. Fastest to collect a CIU jackpot.

For score we shut off ball savers, 3 balls, and we take turns like Playing normal games with a friend. for The objective based matches we would set the game to 10 balls. The person not playing would time it with a stopwatch. The winner would go first in the next round (a big advantage in the objective based games.

Our next game will be AC/DC, but that will be tougher because the Pro and Premium play so different. But I’m sure we will figure it out.

I can’t recommend this more. This is the social distancing equivalent of having a blast playing pinball with friends. My Sunday flew by because his was so much fun.

#9885 1 year ago
Quoted from Utesichiban:

What I am saying is there is a tendency amongst some to refuse to discuss or even acknowledge China's culpability in why this even happened to begin with while constantly blasting our own leaders.

A communist regime lied. Someone alert the media.

I expect communist regimes to lie. I expect them to do whatever they think will keep them in power. Attempting to point out their culpability in this is simply redirection. Hey, look over there, "they" caused this. If you study history, you will find examples of that type of propaganda leading to wars. I'm not saying they are not culpable, I'm asking why you would believe them in the first place other than looking for someone else to blame.

I re-wrote this a couple of times because the first tries would have got me ejected. This version might as well. I just dislike redirection as a tactic unless it is in a fist fight (at which point everything is legal).

#9907 1 year ago
Quoted from arcademojo:

I see the daytime political pissing is in full swing again. So let’s get back to Tiger King![quoted image]

New Episode!!!!! Though it is just an aftershow, so I doubt it will be any fun. But I'll still grab some whisky and throw some shot glasses. Yee Haw!

#9946 1 year ago
Quoted from Pinball_Gizzard:

We used to get lunch provided at our grand rounds and there were some pens by the food but that’s the extent of my riches from the pharmaceutical industry.

Buy me pizza and I move pinball machines. Never got no pens... Doctors

#10346 1 year ago
Quoted from SadSack:

I believe COVID-19 virus is real, but the numbers are being pumped:

Then you are out of touch with the people on the ground working to keep people alive.

Want to know what a good day at work for my girlfriend is? Nobody died that day. Those are rare days, and they really aren't that good, because more people will just die the next day. Are the number being pumped? Have your conspiracy theory if you need that to help you sleep. But a lot of people are dying from this every fucking day.

#10507 1 year ago
Quoted from PanzerFreak:

Not good. Is there a reason for such a big jump after several days of a decrease? It seems like like some states are starting to report lower hospitalization rates.

New York reclassified a bunch of deaths. We don’t have enough testing. So people with symptoms don’t always get tested. If those symptoms then turn into pneumonia, they still might not get tested. If they then die of pneumonia at home, well they are dead, so there won’t be a test. They took all of the people that his happened to, and added them to the number of deaths from this if the pattern of death fit the normal course of the virus. Those were all added at once.

#10601 1 year ago
Quoted from chad:

Getting caught up here and noticed posts completely gone. 10504, 10544, 10575.

I don't know anything about those particular posts, but that is common on Pinside. The moderators have full rights to just clip posts out of existence. And thank goodness they do. A lot of times they are ads, or spam, or so inflammatory and against the rules that the only solution is to delete it. There was a time where Pinside was getting spammed like crazy. A new account would sign up, and then post 100 spam messages before getting the account frozen and the posts clipped. Normal operations on a moderated internet site as far as I'm concerned. I don't know what those posts are, but I'm sure they shouldn't have been there in the first place if a mod deleted them (especially in this thread that is probably as much work as the rest of the site right now).

#10683 1 year ago
Quoted from toastbot:

An objective takeaway from tonight's WH Covid-19 Press "Briefing":
There are lawyers and CEOs that have been waiting a long time to get confirmed as judges, and that is embarrassing for the president because they keep asking him about it, so if they don't hurry up and confirm the 199 judges, he will "adjourn both chambers of congress."

Yeah, I was watching it. That was a surprise. The next few days should be “interesting”.

#10841 1 year ago
Quoted from hAbO:

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That was the EXACT thing I was thinking of when I saw those pictures. I was waiting for Simon Pegg to run by.

#10946 1 year ago
Quoted from PinRob:

Call the cops

I usually like to hold That for the bad stuff. For regular complaints, I choose ignoring them unless they really impact me. My neighbors have elephants, and the elephants are out of school from this. And I’m working from home, so I hear the herd of elephants quite a bit. For some reason elephants run upstairs with logs in their trunks 30 times a day (who knew). However I realize my neighbor didn’t intend for those elephants to be running around right now, and I didn’t intend to be home so much. I haven’t said a word to them about it, because if it’s bad in my place, I can’t imagine how noisy it is over there.

#10952 1 year ago

That is hilarious. I needed a good laugh today. Thanks!

#11220 1 year ago
Quoted from Pinball_Gizzard:

Well, here’s an honest question. If it turns out that the Chinese deliberately covered up the extent of this virus, intentionally putting the world at risk of large amounts of casualties and severe economic damage; is that an act of war?

What were you expecting them to say? Yes, governments lie. Closed governments lie more. They cover up things that look bad. They don't care about the ramifications of those lies.

So yes, they lied, because that is their job. Is that an act of war? Well, that is a whole nother bag of tacks. Can it be considered an act of war? Sure, because pretty much anything can be. Will we start dropping nukes over it? I don't know because I have no idea what our government is doing.


#11511 1 year ago
Quoted from poppapin:

Yupp, PC crowd is alive and well on pinside.

Quoted from screaminr:

People are getting offended on behalf of other people for perceived offensive behaviour ?

First they came for the "Pinside Troll Phobia1", and I did not speak out—
Because I was not "Pinside Troll Phobia1".

Then they came for the "Pinside Troll Phobia2", and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a "Pinside Troll Phobia2".

Then they came for the "Pinside Troll Phobia3", and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a "Pinside Troll Phobia3".

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

#11524 1 year ago
Quoted from SadSack:

Why would anyone downvote this GREAT NEWS!?! Are you all praying it gets worse? Or maybe you are afraid it will reduce your time available to whack off?

Welcome back from vacation.

#12017 1 year ago
Quoted from twoplays25c:

And here in Pennsylvania, off we go....
today's noontime rally at The Capitol to lift restrictions.
Mask use estimated at 'maybe 50%.'[quoted image][quoted image]

Why? Why are any of them wearing masks? They should really be proving their point by not wearing them at all. Show us libtards there is nothing to worry about. Otherwise they are wasting their breath.

PS: Yes, I used the word libtard to describe myself, because I'm in the center. But apparently I can still be mystified by these idiots, which seems to be the current definition of libtard.

#12095 1 year ago
Quoted from Mr68:

Any feedback or ideas welcomed.

Well my first advice would be don't do that. I'm glad you're young and healthy. And if you catch it on purpose, that may change in a way you cannot foresee. I have to admit, I thought the same thing. When my girlfriend of 12 years caught it, I debated giving her a big sloppy kiss. But then I thought about my underlying issues, and I also thought about how many people had died at the facility she works at. In the end, I decided that would not be smart.

You don't sound like you need to completely shelter yourself. And in fact, if you want to take a more risky path, help people. Help get food to people that cannot get out. Figure out a way to increase your risk that isn't just running out and catching it intentionally. But just be aware that your outcome is not guaranteed. Your odds are just your odds. The human body doesn't pay attention to odds, it does what it does.

#12441 1 year ago
Quoted from PanzerFreak:

Beaches reopened in California, this is from two days ago. Looks like social distancing guidelines are in effect...
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Quoted from cdnpinbacon:

That's a shocking beach picture.

My other hobby is photography. This is called compression. It happens when you use a telephoto lens. Background objects end up appearing larger and closer to the foreground. So from a long distance away, and a long telephoto, it will make this look much more crowded and people will look much closer together than they actually are. Compression can trick the eye into thinking to people are right next to each other while they are 30 feet apart.

I’m NOT saying they shouldn’t be there (they shouldn’t). But I’m saying that this photo makes it impossible to tell if they are actually practicing social distancing or not. Either way, I’m irritated at them because they are making this take longer to resolve, and I’m sick of being home.

#12548 1 year ago
Quoted from Russell:

What if...there’s no vaccine (not clear we can make a corona vaccine), no effective medical therapy (nothing effective found thus far), no reliable antibody test (not yet), and no immunity from antibodies anyway (no evidence)...seriously, it’s worth considering what happens then.

Pardon my crappy scientific rambling. My sample size of 1 is useless. My sample size of 20 is useless. However, my girlfriend works in a facility, and most of the staff caught it (including her). Most of them (excluding the staff member that died from it) are back to work. They are still around patients that have it every day. Yet no staff member has caught it a second time. I’m not going to conclude having it gives permanent immunity, but it definitely gives at least temporary immunity.

#12673 1 year ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

OK. How many more will die by May 15? I'm going to say an average of 1500 per day. That would be another 22,500 people. The would put us at 84,000 dead.

I hate to even reply to this... but I will anyway.

100,000. People are straining against the "Stay Home" stuff. Part of that is obviously rabble-rousing, groups of people that are being "directed" to protest by external influence. But even without that, people are sick of staying at home and are going out more. As we stupidly open up too early, I am expecting lots more infections, and therefore lots more death. So I think that will hit hard in a couple weeks.

#13083 1 year ago
Quoted from gweempose:

I'm curious to know how many of you are wearing gloves when you do your errands. I've been wearing gloves every time I go someplace where I'll be touching stuff (i.e. grocery store, post office, gas pump, etc...). I also wear gloves when I am sorting through the mail or unboxing packages. I realize that the virus can't be spread through skin absorption, but I find that the gloves help remind me not touch my face. I also feel like once I take the gloves off, there is less potential virus on my hands. Obviously, I still thoroughly sanitize/wash them after.

I wear gloves. They are simple and quick. I keep them in my pocket, and put them on when I have to do something I'm not comfortable with. Pumping gas, using my atm card and having to touch the buttons. I haven't spent paper money in over a month, so no worries about change. And I avoid situations where I need them as much as possible. But sometimes you need to touch things.

Quoted from CrazyLevi:

I find gloves to be pretty pointless, unless you are gonna put on a new pair every few minutes and throw the old ones out.

... and know how to take them off. It is easy to do it correctly, and easy to do it wrong.

#13093 1 year ago
Quoted from wrb1977:

Just for reference, an estimated 80,000 people died in the US during the 2017-2018 flu season.

According to the CDC, it was about 61,000.

From: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden-averted/2017-2018.htm

The "flu season" is around 5-6 months, and varies from year to year. Some years it is short, some years long. Even though flu is around all year, the season is when it is most active.

So that averages out to about 10,000 deaths a month.

Quoted from wrb1977:

Sure this virus is worse, but NOT orders of magnitude worse. We did not close down the country, wear masks, etc. We as a country did NOTHING that disrupted our daily lives. We need to move on, get people back to work and minimize the number of businesses that closed and will never reopen.

So I agree, this is not an order of magnitude worse. Right now I think there are about 2000 deaths a day. Which compares to about 333 deaths a day in the flu season. However I think current estimates are about 3000 deaths a day around June 1st. So at that point, yes, we will be getting very close to an order of magnitude worse.

#13120 1 year ago
Quoted from wrb1977:

This makes no sense to me. Where is the line of what is considered acceptable? Where is the line that we shut down the country?

The big difference with this one is how contagious it is, and how deadly it can be. Usually when you get the flu, you get sick pretty quickly. But with Covid-19, you take longer to start feeling the effects. So instead of being in bed sick, you are out and about in your normal life spreading it. After getting it, it seems to be luck as to what happens. But you don’t make your own luck here. Some factors play into it. Blood pressure, diabetes, overweight, asthma, other conditions all can contribute to your outcome, but you can’t predict it 100%.

Again, using my partner as an example, she came through it fine. Another person at work, dead. Patients at work, they were dying at a rate of 2 or 3 a day. They have never had something like this from flu. This is not the same. And it baffles me that people think this is the same unless they are seeing this level of death with their own eyes. The frigging National Guard had to come in there for testing everyone. Not. The. Flu.

#13266 1 year ago
Quoted from Ericpinballfan:

I have to say. GO COSTCO. Love that response, made a confident customer out of me.
Its a bussiness choice to require facemask based on state guidelines.
I know where Ive been the last 60 days, i dont know where everyone else has been.
I hope costco keeps the masks for at least a year.

Oh be really skeptical there. Every time I see something like that I give it the old 50/50 treatment. Could be true, could be fake. I try to act like both are true. I'm not saying Costco didn't say that, but I would have to see the feed and verified users before swallowing it wholesale.

#13356 1 year ago
Quoted from wrb1977:

Our nation is clearly divided as to how we handle this with both sides having completely legitimate arguments.

I disagree that both sides have a legitimate argument. If we ignore everything that has happened in the past few months and just look at where we are now, we are facing a pandemic. Our response to that is to open up the country and allow it to spread faster. We are trying to ignore it, like that will save people from dying from it. But lots of people will die from opening like this. When any guideline has not been met, our reaction is to just remove the guideline rather than try to get into compliance with it.

We know more about how a virus works than they did 100 years ago, yet we seem to have learned nothing. When one of the arguments is to kill your constituents to make sure your donors make money, I cannot consider that a legitimate argument.

There are currently about 2000 deaths a day from Coronavirus. 9/11 killed 2977 in a day. I think we are heading towards having a 9/11 every day. The answer to that cannot be to attack the numbers as being wrong because you don't like them. That isn't legitimate.

And yes, I understand people die every day. Thousands and thousands of people die every day from all kinds of causes. As has been said over and over, I won't catch a car accident by sitting in a room with someone that had a car accident.

#13409 1 year ago
Quoted from statsdoc:

This is one of the most complete analyses I have seen on the manner in which the coronavirus can be spread. It is worth reading from the standpoint of protecting yourself in public and at your workplace. It was written by a biologist at the University of Massachusetts.
I am a big believer in the dosage component of contracting the virus. Our body seems to be able to fight off small infections ... we need to avoid prolonged or intense exposure.
Stay well everyone!

Well, I found that article fascinating. It was just written for people instead of doctors. By far the most interesting parts for me were the analysis of the restaurant and the call center. The part about why meat packing plants can be hit so hard was also interesting. Thanks a bunch for posting it.

#13488 1 year ago
Quoted from twoplays25c:

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Wait a tick. That’s only $1199.40. So you save 59 cents if you choose the payment plan? It’s a Pandemic Miracle.

#13533 1 year ago
Quoted from Gunnut40:

I can tell you one thing once the vaccine comes out. I’m not shooting up! You push something so fast like that. Bad things are going to happen.

I hope your actual name is Rick, Glenn, or Maggie, because I’m going to need a squad. If your name is Shane, you are needed, but only for a little while...

#13559 1 year ago
Quoted from woody76:

especially over a virus with a .000002 chance of death. Lets be honest, this thing was no where near what old dr evil thought it was going to be

Could you explain your math on that? Just the basic numbers you used to arrive at a 0.000002% chance of death.

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#14358 1 year ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

Call me chicken but I think I am going to pass.

You are a chicken. Seriously, you have to look at this from my point of view. I need people out there to test the waters for me. There is absolutely no way I'm going out when things open back up. Not for at least a month so I can watch the trends to see what happens. If everyone felt like you did, I wouldn't be able to go out because there would not be any guinea pigs to prove it is safe. Think of the DaveH's!

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#15396 1 year ago
Quoted from gweempose:

Yeah, it's very odd. It's like they've completely washed their hands of it and are leaving it entirely up to the individual states now.

But they only sang "Happy Birthday" once while washing them, so... not over.

#15437 1 year ago
Quoted from darkpinball:

Could you enlighten us on what "Sweden's experiment" is all about

Sweden's response to the coronavirus was... let's go have some meatballs. There were no lockdowns, there were no restrictions that I'm aware of. I believe their per capita death rate is among the highest for the virus. They were basically attempting to get to herd immunity quicker by letting more people get infected. Unfortunately that led to more dead people so far. HOWEVER, the experiment is not over, because coronavirus is not over. Six months from now we might find out that what they did was a better way to handle it in the long run. Or they may have even more dead people than they would have if they locked down.

I guess that is still the problem with this. Lots of ideas on how to handle it, and nobody is 100% sure how it will all turn out. That is the big reason I still lean towards being cautious. If I'm wrong, I'm labeled a nervous Nellie. And if I'm right... I might live longer. That makes it an easy choice.

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#15675 1 year ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

I am wondering what things will look like in a couple of weeks after the rally in Tulsa where 20,000 are expected to gather tomorrow.

After it, those 20,000 people will go back to their homes. I don’t pretend to know the demographics of them, but I assume some of them are coming from a pretty good distance. My point being that if they catch it there, they will carry it across the country. So if it happens, it won’t just be a local spike.

My biggest worry about the event is that I think people will be shamed into not wearing a mask. But that’s their choice.

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#15998 1 year ago
Quoted from Russell:

What-about-ism is a very stupid debate technique.

But what about people that quote debate techniques with no data?

3 months later
#19114 1 year ago
Quoted from razorsedge:

Nobody can definitively prove that preventing this from spreading is better than letting it out. Too many out there fail to recognise this is a possibility.

What I've learned from all this is that I cannot definitively prove anything that uses science or math as a basis anymore. That frightens me as much as Covid does.

Quoted from razorsedge:

*Ftr: I wear a mask everywhere I'm supposed to. To help prevent spread of highly deadly virus.

Thank you.

#19165 1 year ago
Quoted from OLDPINGUY:

We are basically here..... Covid is defeated! I survived Covid, and All I got was this Lousy $125 Coin. Free shipping!
Get yours today!
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The "White House Gift Shop" that is selling these has no connection to the actual "White House". It is a privately held company owned by Giannini Strategic Enterprises.

#19228 1 year ago
Quoted from Bublehead:

Well, I think this will be the last time I post in here just because, like stated, there's not a lot of 'rona news in here except disputed and arguable "facts" and that no matter what I say in here, those on the opposite side of my oppinion are not going to be moved to change, so why even bother?

Part of the argument against science is the tactic of wearing you down until you give up and go away. I'm sure there is a name for that debating tactic, but I don't know it off the top of my head. The most knowledgeable people are impacted first, because they are not used to people arguing obvious things. It gets to the point where you can't even explain what day it is. Eventually the grip of that argument tightens until the knowledgeable people stop arguing and walk away frustrated. Next the people arguing against science go after folks that are smart, but not experts in the subject with the same tactic. Eventually they also walk away frustrated. This continues until there is nobody knowledgeable left, and the science denier is the only voice left in the room.

So you are correct, you will never ever change the deniers viewpoint. But you should still bother trying and speaking rationally. Because when smart people stop speaking rationally out of frustration, society crumbles. And I realize some people will think that is hyperbole. But we have people passing laws and signing orders against requiring facemasks... during a pandemic... in 2020. I think we have reached the point where saying that society could crumble isn't really that far out there.

#19240 1 year ago
Quoted from RTR:

More thumbs up. I don't know what the tactic is called either but it seems to start with 'flood the field' with anything - I mean anything - argue every point as hard as you can no matter how flimsy your position and then claim victory using an assortment of fallacies depending upon the audience and situation.

The "flood the field" argument is known as a Gish Gallop. The premise is that it is easier to knock everything off a table than it is to set it up. The main point of it is to never let someone else set the table back up fully. When they get close to finishing an explanation, turn to the next table and knock everything off that one. The segue statement is "Yeah, but what about..." and they move on without allowing you to finish the first explanation. We've all experienced this with others. They say something crazy, and you spend all the time explaining why it is crazy, and rather than accept it, they move on to something else. It is built up just to frustrate the other person, as opposed to actually trying to gain knowledge. Once you understand that, it makes the discussion more clear.

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#20366 11 months ago
Quoted from Oaken:

How many people here are still planning on cooking the same Thanksgiving spread...just not inviting anyone over?

Me! I will be with my immediate circle (4 people), but it will be no normal Thanksgiving. I am making up care packages of a full turkey dinner and fixins that will be on the curb for my sisters to pick up. But we will not be crossing our circles. No hugs, no nothing. And it sucks. But I'm an adult, and I can handle it.

#20421 11 months ago
Quoted from rwmech5:

Looking at the amount of travel for the US holiday, I think the "containment" part is done.

As I watch and read the news of this, I am continually stunned at how we are acting. I've said it over and over again, this sucks. Thanksgiving is my favorite holiday (by far). I usually go to multiple family gatherings. On the weekend after, we gather extended family from multiple states for a wonderful day of catching up, football, food, fun, support, walks, the stuff I've had every thanksgiving of my life. And this year all I get is a Zoom meeting, and the honor of cooking turkey dinners and dropping them off at the curb of some relatives (no hugs, no chat, no see).

I realize that as a society, we have given up trying to contain this. The crowd that thinks wearing a mask is an infringement of their human rights have won the argument. And I realize that may sound inflammatory and stupid, however just look at all the people in airports and travelling to family gatherings right now. But that doesn't mean my family has to do the same. I want them all to be here next thanksgiving.

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#20604 10 months ago

Seeing this got all the way through post approval, ZeroHedge shouldn’t be considered a trusted news source. I’ll leave it up to the reader to decide that on their own. But this article was written by Tyler Durden, the renowned founder of Fight Club. You may think his real name would of course be Jack, but instead it is Данаил Иванджийски. (See what I did there? I wrote the name he was born with instead of his Americanized current one)

Correlation is not causation. I’m pretty sure that if I ran a study of putting a single drop of water on the toenail with 30,000 people, many of them older in their 70s and 80s, some of them would die. People just happen to die in studies, and it is the job of the people running them to figure out the actual causes. Calling it “unknown but suspect” with no actual knowledge about either of them just gives conspiracy theories fertilizer to grow.

#20656 10 months ago
Quoted from bobmathuse:

Too many porous cloth masks. Get N95s people!

The thing I always think of when people say this is a video I saw on transmission a few months ago. Any mask is better than no mask. Sure, it would be great if we were all in the best masks possible, and I agree they should be readily available by now. But something is better than nothing. With 2 people around each other, 1 mask cuts down transmission a bit. 2 masks cut it down much more. Proper usage and wearing cut it down more. Distance between people cuts it down more. Better masks cut it down more. Being near less people cuts it down more.

In the end, it's just a virus that transmits really easily. Each barrier, even if it is cloth, helps decrease the odds of that transmission.

#20681 10 months ago
Quoted from PokerJake:

It's sad Minnesota is going to give up potential income and force closures to Wisconsin for nothing.

Nothing? I realize I am on the far opposite side of this coin, but I still find it surprising when people say this is nothing.

Quoted from PokerJake:

We met up with some of my extended family and had about 20 of us head to another restaurant.

Quoted from PokerJake:

Planning to head back over the river on Friday.

I'm actually curious how this whole experiment works out. I don't gather in large groups, and I don't eat at restaurants right now. But you sounds like you are pretty sure the infection rate of the group will remain zero. So I hope you will continue to report the results of the entire group. Because the experiment goes against recommendations in Minnesota, I have to assume the entire group will bring the same cavalier attitude to everything. Therefore any case really is related, even if it was acquired separate from the group. Let us know how it works out.

#20726 10 months ago
Quoted from Pinball_Gizzard:

If a person gets the vaccine, even though they would be less likely to get severe symptoms, they will not be allowed to suddenly take off their mask and do as they please.

Actually, I'm thinking about just continuing to use masks after this whole thing ends. I haven't had a cold all year. Yeah, it will make eating pizza at pinball league more difficult, but that's my problem.

#20767 10 months ago
Quoted from Oaken:

Oye greater Boston region. Unless they really screwed up the data, it’s gonna get ugly soon:

I don’t think the data is screwed, I think all of us in Boston are. But this was completely expected. The data is Boston, but I’d think this would be the same in most areas. Two weeks after so many stupid people gathered with family and friends, you would expect spikes on all the scales. Two weeks after that, right around Christmas, I’d expect deaths to also spike. It’s probably just due to the highly contagious virus.

(Ok, I got a bit snarky in that last sentence. I’m still upset that I couldn’t see my family at thanksgiving, and I’m angry people still won’t take simple measures to help contain this.)

#20782 10 months ago
Quoted from cdnpinbacon:

What's this .. UK has identified a new strain that potentially spreads alot faster.

Quoted from Trogdor:

That Florida basketball player that collapsed on court was previously covid pos? That’s a little scary..

I know this sounds lazy, and yes, I know how to google. However, when people drop things like that, can you add a little starter link to a story about it? Thanks.

2 weeks later
#21001 10 months ago

My father in law died of Covid Saturday. It was 9 days from onset of symptoms to death. I waited a couple days to say this so I could calm my anger a little bit. If you would like to know his underlying health issues, fuck you. If you’re not taking Covid seriously, fuck you. If you’re not wearing a mask in public, fuck you. If you are saying 99.whatever% survive, fuck you. If you need to politicize this pandemic, fuck you. If you have a cavalier attitude about Covid, fuck you.

He was a good man, and now he’s dead. He’s dead because people pretend doing the things needed to control this pandemic infringe on our rights. He’s dead because people reject science. He’s dead because people are dumb. We’ve known about this virus for a year, but we just haven’t been able to do what was needed. If we as a society had acted like civilized people, he wouldn’t be dead. Our stupidity as a society is more to blame for his death than the virus. If he had died 7 months ago, it would have been the virus, but now it’s us.

#21040 10 months ago
Quoted from Pinball_Gizzard:

Dawn Wells, who played Mary Ann on Gilligan’s Island, has died from COVID-19.

Fortunately the age old question, Ginger or Mary Ann was answered well before she died.

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#21158 9 months ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

We are almost a year into this. If you are still suckling at the conspiracy teet you are either trolling or not very bright.

Or outright dishonest. We shouldn’t exclude malevolent intentions as we discuss conspiracy theorists.

#21241 9 months ago
Quoted from Pinball_Gizzard:

Second vaccine done today! Is this the one with the tracking chip in it or was it the first one?

That is the reason it is two shots. The first one contains the chip, and the second one contains the batteries to activate the chip. When they tried to get both into one shot, it interfered with the behavioral control chip they inject as part of the MMR vaccine. /s

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#21367 9 months ago
Quoted from oldskool1969:

Interesting to see how 100 days of mandatory masks and how they will enforce will turn out for the USA.

It isn't a mandatory mask mandate. It is a mandatory mask mandate for being inside federal buildings. That is a big distinction. Of course, it comes along with recommending wearing a mask, but the same people who didn't wear one before still won't (unless they are inside a federal building). And that means the virus will still spread.

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#21458 9 months ago
Quoted from Pinball_Gizzard:

The limiting step will be how many people will want to get one.

My doctor's office is sending out bulk emails asking people to stop calling about when we might be able to get one. I was one of the people bugging them.

I look towards our leaders in Congress to really see how people that downplay the virus react when they actually have a chance to get the vaccine. They instantly rolled up their sleeves and got it. There were a few that rejected it saying that healthcare workers should get it first, and others that already had Covid, so they could pretend to be moral. But overall, almost all got the jab. It is my opinion that 95% of the "anti-vaxxers" will also jump at the chance to get it once they actually can. They won't let their agenda get in the way, and right after getting the jab, they will pretend they didn't.

#21484 9 months ago
Quoted from MrBally:

eating at the COuNter of a Waffle House

Quoted from bob_e:

I was at the Waffle House

Thanks guys. On top of the pandemic, now I have to shop for a damn waffle maker. I need to stop reading Pinside when I’m hungry.

#21506 9 months ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

This sort of lays waste to the tired argument of, "It's just the flu".

I think that was laid to waste about 400,000 US deaths ago. Give or take.

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#21640 8 months ago
Quoted from screaminr:

UK covid strain has escaped Hotel quarantine here . We're now in a 5-day lockdown .
We can do that standing on our head .

You guys are weird down there. Using logic to respond to a medical emergency? Strange (I’m jealous).

#21669 8 months ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

Unions want the meat packers at the front of the line.
Parents want the school teachers back to school so teachers need to be prioritized.
The school teachers are wanting prioritized.
Rich people are trying to cheat their way to the front of the line.
Healthcare workers are at the front of the line, and if they are not they should be.
Police are out there on the fronts lines. I don't know where the cops are at in line.

You left out “DaveH wants the DaveHs to be at the head of the line”. It’s not selfish, and I feel all the DaveHs should be there, not just me. That’s the plan when my state hits Phase 3.14159

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#21711 8 months ago

From the article:

“There is reason to think the country is racing toward an extremely low level of infection,” Makary wrote. “As more people have been infected, most of whom have mild or no symptoms, there are fewer Americans left to be infected. At the current trajectory, I expect COVID will be mostly gone by April, allowing Americans to resume normal life.”

I’d put more stock in it if he had quoted some type of study or defined reasoning rather than just what sounded like wishful thinking. Experts usually tend to back up what they say with expertise, but it sure sounded like he was saying “cases are going down, so I think they will go all the way down” (my paraphrase of the article, not an actual quote).

There are a lot of factors that could change the current trajectory, which is going down. Even the simple ones like people seeing the rate go down start venturing out, giving more fresh hosts to the virus.

#21720 8 months ago
Quoted from smalltownguy2:

Yet you cannot deny the fact that at least a statistically significant portion of the deaths attributed to COVID-19 were poor outcomes due to the presence of an underlying risk factor from a chronic health condition - type 2 diabetes, heart disease, obesity, COPD, you get the drift.

I always take issue with this type of comment. Mostly because someone close to me died of Covid two months ago. And yes, he had an “underlying risk” that was 100% medically controlled. And that underlying issue had nothing to do with Covid filling up, and then ripping up his lungs. His age made the decision to not put him on a respirator easier, but it was Covid that killed him in less than 2 weeks. He would be alive and I would have seen him yesterday if it wasn’t for this pandemic. His death made the pandemic very simple for me. I switched from leading a very “low risk” lifestyle to a “no risk” one. Statistics are fine, right up until they kill someone you loved.

Sorry if this sounds harsh. I tend to get bitter when someone I love dies, and I’m still a bit toasty from that one.

#21729 8 months ago
Quoted from smalltownguy2:

The problem lies in the fact that once someone's freedom of choice runs up against their obligation to society, things get complicated.

Does it get complicated? I don't think it does. Every time it actually comes down to personal choice vs the obligation to society, it seems to come down on the side of obligation to society. Maybe I'm just not thinking it all the way through, but I think almost all of them come down on societies side. I can drive through the center of my town at 100 mph, but society chose to make that a crime due to the danger of it. I'd like to fly without the government knowing exactly who I am and where I'm going, however that is now not allowed. I'm going to skip all the violent things that society has decided shouldn't happen, but I'm sure you could come up with your own examples.

As far as I'm concerned, this is a false dilemma. Obligation to society controls what you can do every day. It only gets complicated when we politicize those decisions. My favorite commercial was from a phone company that had a bunch of firemen running government. The person running it said "Do we want clean water Guys?", and the response was "yeah". Personally I'd like the country to open up again, and the only way we will do that is by having the pandemic under control. And the only way we will do that is with vaccines in arms.

And my justification of that is the same as most of my societal justifications. You should be able to do whatever the heck you want, right up until the point that it impacts others. You can drive 100 mph on a closed track, but doing it in the center of my town might kill someone else. You should be able to shoot yourself in the foot, but you can't do that to others. And you should be able to reject any medication you want... up until it is a disease that kills other people. That is the line this crosses.

And I realize the hypocrisy of what I just said. I said "you should be able to do until it impacts others" immediately followed by why I think society should impact others choices. Not to sound like a drama queen, but if a society didn't force that once in a while, it couldn't survive.

#21758 8 months ago
Quoted from Spyderturbo007:

So for those of you that support forced vaccination, where does it stop? What's the cutoff for forcing someone to be vaccinated? Should we force vaccinations for the Flu? What about HPV, HepA-HepB, Encephalitis, Typhoid fever, etc....where does it stop?

Quoted from Pinball_Gizzard:

I must have missed something. Who is supporting forced vaccination?

Quoted from RTR:

There hasn't been anyone on this thread making an argument for forced vaccinations.

That would be me. I hinted towards that in my post.

Quoted from DaveH:

And you should be able to reject any medication you want... up until it is a disease that kills other people. That is the line this crosses.

Spyderturbo007 I think the line is exactly where you would expect it to be. It is when a pandemic is raging through the society. Obviously we are not at that point yet. It is quite possible just vaccinating the people that want to be vaccinated will get this under control. At some point in the future (months?) anyone who wants to get a vaccine will just be able to get it. If that gets the pandemic under control, awesome. However, if it is still spreading rapidly, more drastic measures will need to be taken. As Pinball_Gizzard was saying, things like restrictions on stuff you like to do (public travel, concerts...). That will influence more people to get the vaccine. Again, evaluations and data to decide what is needed next.

Could that get to the point of a forced vaccination? Sure it could. If we are unable to control the pandemic, at some point we would have to do something. The choice would be to live in isolation, or get the vaccine. It couldn't get to there for any of the other diseases you mentioned. None of them could cross the threshold of this pandemic. Our society does this all the time. Many of our laws are society restricting what you can do, and when you personally choose to do those things, there is a cost.

And like I said in my original post, I do understand the hypocrisy of what I'm saying. You should be able to do whatever you want right up until it impacts others, and then I turn around and argue society should do exactly that. But I don't think it will get to that. I think I'll be playing pinball with friends before Thanksgiving once the vaccine is available (and time for it to work). Maybe even sooner.

#21775 8 months ago
Quoted from smalltownguy2:

You may not have been asked for your opinion, but you absolutely had a choice in the matter.

Not really. 50 years ago informed consent in the military wasn't really a thing. I think the choice would have been stick out your arm or disobey orders. If I'm wrong cottonm4, feel free to correct me.

#21805 8 months ago

I wish this was a joke, but this is what the scheduling site just told me:
The waiting line to get into the scheduling site to be told there are no appointments available is 12 days!

12_Days (resized).JPG

#21830 7 months ago
Quoted from Pinball_Gizzard:

COVID spike in Texas incoming...
Things are looking better overall but it is very premature to declare Texas 100% open and remove the masking mandate in my opinion. I hope I'm wrong.

My first thought was manslaughter charges for excess deaths. I realize that may sound controversial, but I’m not joking here. At some point public policy needs to have ramifications. I understand that Governor Abbott is just doing what he thinks is the most political point making course, but it’s dumb. Here is not only no benefit, but it is harmful to the citizens he governs. I really hate that this is how decisions are made now.

And I know he would never be charged even if this leads to thousands of deaths. We are beyond the point of holding our elected officials accountable. And that’s also a shame.

#21859 7 months ago
Quoted from hAbO:

Its just baffling what Tx, La and Mississippi are thinking right now.

I don't find it baffling at all. We are not talking about the issues with the power grid or the water in Texas anymore. And the funnier part is, even saying it like that, I'm not talking about the horrific mismanagement of the power grid or water supply there. When Texas changes a subject, they change it big. As for the other states, I made the assumption that they were really saying "We would also like you to stop talking about the mismanagement of the electric grid in Texas, and so we will support them with changing the subject". That's just how unity works.

#21882 7 months ago
Quoted from Daditude:

I will double down on my previous statement and say that I fully expect to see HUGE spikes.

I wanted to thumbs up this statement, but then hit that quandary of feeling like I was thumbing up spikes. I'm just assuming that everywhere that is getting rid of the mandates will spike. Which is just a shame. We are within a four months of having enough vaccines for all adults (I added an extra month for issues). So somewhere, someone is going to catch it a week before they would have been vaccinated. It's like dropping the ball right before you cross the line for a touchdown.

#21906 7 months ago
Quoted from Phbooms:

My Uncle died from Covid tismorning. Got it at Church and ended up getting pneumonia that did him in. Fuck Covid!

Sorry for your loss. I agree, Fuck Covid.

#21960 7 months ago

My sister is currently in an ICU on a ventilator with Covid. She wasn’t able to breath in enough oxygen on her own. When she went to the hospital 5 days ago, the oxygen on the floor was enough... until it wasn’t. Then in the ICU, the high flow was enough... until it wasn’t. And then they shoved a tube down her throat and into her lungs to force in air saturated in oxygen to try to keep her from dying long enough for the Remdesivir and antibodies treatments to work on the infection. When they incubate you to go on a vent, they sedate you, because if they didn’t, you would rip the tube out as you died from lack of oxygen.

Why am I telling you this? Because Covid is horrific. It’s not a normal pneumonia. If she lives (50/50 right now), the recovery from this will take a very long time. I’m saying this because we are close to the end of this pandemic. She wasn’t dumb. She wasn’t doing unnecessary things. She was however, quite unlucky to be exposed to it.

As politicians are making dumb decisions, you should be making smart ones. Nobody is going to protect you from this except you. It’s just not worth the risk this close to the end. Sure, you might get lucky and have a mild case. Then again, maybe you end up drowning in your own lungs unable to get enough oxygen to survive. Why would anybody be risking that?

#21974 7 months ago
Quoted from Daditude:

That is a very good question. I am kind of waiting in the wings for the answer, tbh. I dont ever get flu shots, so i am weighing my options.

I’m weighing my options as well. I’d ask my sister, but if they removed the breathing tubes for the ventilator she is on because she has Covid, well, she would die before she could answer me. I’d ask my other sister, but she had stopped by the first sisters house to drop something off before she got really sick, and now she is Covid positive as well. But she had her first vaccine shot 2 weeks before, and amazingly has shown no symptoms yet. I’d ask my father in law, but unfortunately he died of Covid around Christmas.

Of course, I’m not actually weighing options. The second I can get a vaccine in my arm, there will be a vaccine in my arm. Covid is nothing but a crapshoot. You can go out 99 times and your confirmation bias tells you it’s safe. And then you can spend an hour at your sisters house, and catch it. Then you might have no or mild symptoms, or end up on a ventilator. The odds are in your favor, right up until they aren’t.

And I realize I’m very heavy handed about this subject. Some may consider my attitude about it almost rude. But when my day is made up of good news being that they lowered the peep on the vent and she’s still stable, vs they moved her to avoid bed sores and her and her O2 stats crashed, well, it’s serious. None of them were haphazard. For me the only option to weigh is, help stop the pandemic, or keep giving it a path to spread. This was probably TMI. I’m just frustrated that we have solutions that people are weighing instead of getting.

#21978 7 months ago
Quoted from Daditude:

I have already had Covid. It was super mild for me. I cant even get the vaccine for 3 months anyway, but i should have antigens for 3-6 months or more anyway.

Sorry Daditude, I didn’t realize you had had it. And I’m VERY glad it was a mild case. So many cases aren’t too bad, or just like a bad flu. And then a few other cases just wreck the person. A couple people close to me just happened to have the bad cases, and I’m tired of it. I’ve been avoiding the news as much as I can, because when I hear politicians not doing what is needed to protect their people, it makes me mad. They have one job, and they are doing the opposite of what they are elected to do, and people support them for it? Crazy times.

And yes, you should be protected from getting it again for quite a while. Personally if it were me, I’d keep up my protection level because of the variants. Plus I think we are going to stomp this whole thing soon, as long as enough people get vaccinated. And if they don’t, it goes on another year.

Quoted from cottonm4:

Well, shit man, what you are describing sure sounds like a hoax to me.

I’m going to assume the “na na na” at the end meant this was sarcastic. Because I’m sure nobody would actually mock my sister being in an ICU on a ventilator, right?

#22033 7 months ago
Quoted from Daditude:

I don't mean to ruffle any feathers, but i am debating getting the vaccine.

I've seen the range of sickness the virus causes. I've seen people be completely asymptomatic, and I've seen others get chewed up and die from it. I've even seen that in 2 people that contracted it from the same source. There are probably a lot of factors that contributed, but I don't think we will ever understand them all. Maybe it even comes down to being a few feet farther away, and getting a smaller viral load at first exposure. Like I said, I don't know.

The tough part is that everything I say here is just anecdotal evidence. Just because some people very close to me have had a bad time with this virus doesn't mean anything to anyone else. But after a particularly annoying death in December, I was fully committed to getting the very first vaccine I could get into my arm. I evaluated the risk against the risk I've seen when catching Covid, and I decided the vaccine was the much better route. I'm glad it also feels like the socially responsible thing to do as well, but really I just don't want to catch Covid.

The thing I'm most curious about is what happens a few months from now. It is sure sounding like we will have enough vaccine doses so that anyone that wants a it will be able to get it. We are currently hanging around 40,000 - 60,000 new cases per day. But once everyone can get it, I wonder how many a day will still be getting infected. And of course, how many of those refused the vaccine (which will be most of them). Those numbers will be interesting.

As for your case Daditude, it does require a bit more evaluation for you. I know I would get the vaccine, but that is just because of the mutations. It seems that the vaccine gives better coverage against the mutants. But I've seen people have mild cases and then work around Covid patients for 9 months before getting the vaccine without catching it again.

On a personal note, I found the first shot of the vaccine to be frightening. I've seen plenty of misinformation, and discount it quickly. But all of those things were swimming in my mind right before I was going to get the shot. In the end I decided that I wanted to see the people I've been away from because of the pandemic. And of course, the quicker the pandemic is over, the quicker my pinball league starts back up. That will be a good day!

#22053 7 months ago
Quoted from gweempose:

A friend of mine just sent me this, and I'm not sure what to make of it. What the guy is saying is pretty scary, but it seems to go directly against the view held by a majority of the scientific community. In general, I tend to value the collective view over the view of a single individual, especially when science is concerned. What do you guys think? Is there any merit to what this guy is saying, or is he just a nutjob?

I'm not going to call this veterinarian (yes, veterinarian, as in a dog doctor) a nutjob right off the bat... however...

This article was addressed to "the entre world population".

He is a bit hyperbolic: "human intervention in the Covid-19pandemic is now at risk of resulting in a global catastrophe without equal". I've also seen a lot of science fiction movies where some type of vaccine or fat burning shot was the cause of the world going to hell. Heck, even The Walking Dead (Pro) is based on it.

Still with the hyperbole: "scientists and clinicians are blinded by the positive short-term effects in individual patents, but don’t seem to bother about the disastrous consequences for global health".

Thanks Alex, I'll take things a narcissist would say for 200: "Unless I am scientifically proven wrong"

"Racing against the clock, I am completing my scientific manuscript, the publication of which is, unfortunately"... I clipped that off in mid sentence because this veterinarian is racing against the clock!!!! Tick Tock!!!

"Last Monday, I provided international health organizations, including the WHO, with my analysis of the current pandemic" - Whereas last Monday I made a sandwich... and ate it.

"I urged them to consider my concerns and to initiate a debate on the detrimental consequences of further ‘viral immune escape’." - I give up. I stopped reading after this one, because as he appeals to the WHO, and all the international health organizations, he sounds like a crank.

So overall, yes, this guy worded everything in his manifesto like he is a nutjob. This isn't how serious people write papers, this is written like the author is a wacko. I'm not saying wackos cannot be smart, or even have great ideas. However this one seems to have gone around the bend. I'm very glad that he wants to declare this "THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCY OF INTERNATIONAL CONCERN". In science there are occasionally crackpot viewpoints that eventually become accepted theories. But the vast majority of those viewpoints are either just misunderstanding... or the unfortunate result of crazy. I'm pretty sure this guy falls into that second group.

#22099 7 months ago
Quoted from mrm_4:

Thanks guys. It’s gonna be interesting soon when we want to run in to Walmart grab something and the greeter at the door starts requesting “let me see zee paperz!” before you can get in. And you are like “Oh man, I left it in my other jacket at home..” and you get mobbed by Karens.

So you are foretelling us to turn towards a police state like Nazi Germany in the late 1930s and into the 1940s? I don't think that would be the direction we would head for vaccines. This is all self limiting. Are there places you could be denied access due to your vaccine status? Sure, at some point. But eventually vaccines will be available to every person in America that wants one. You will be able to get an appointment on a walk-in basis. Two months after that, pretty much the only people that will be showing symptoms and issues from new cases of Covid will be the people that didn't want the vaccine.

As far as I'm concerned, at that point ... Is it too harsh to say there will be less antivaxers? And I'm sure you know what I mean there. But if I'm being too subtle I will explain that 2 months after full vaccine availability, the people catching Covid will be the exact population that expressed their rights to not have protection from Covid. I'm not misanthropic, but the irony of it would be hard to overlook.

#22105 7 months ago
Quoted from roffels:

Keep in mind, at 4 weeks, you won't have the full protection of pfizer or moderna's. They believe the best efficacy is two weeks after receiving your 2nd shot which could be 5-6 weeks after receiving your first.

Just to make this very clear, Pfizer is a bit quicker. These are the charts of how quickly you get some protection and full protection. I've had my first Pfizer, and I plan to add an extra week just to be sure. And even then, I'll still be careful.


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#22139 7 months ago
Quoted from DaveH:

My sister is currently in an ICU on a ventilator with Covid.

My sister died tonight. Covid beat the living shit out of her. I had posted the quote above 13 days ago. And since then it just ripped her apart. Hey, did you know Covid also can destroy your kidneys? So close to the end of this pandemic. We have a fucking vaccine, but we just couldn’t get it to people fast enough.

Whatever the hell you are doing to try to prevent catching Covid, do more. More than 1500 people died from Covid yesterday. Today, one died, and I couldn’t give a crap about how many others died today. She’s the second person close to me that has been killed by Covid. Fuck. And if you’re thinking of doing something dumb, just wait until we get more people vaccinated. Covid doesn’t give a shit about your rights to make your own decisions. Wear a fucking mask dipshit.

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#22237 6 months ago

My first dose of Pfizer was a couple weeks ago. Sore arm that night and into half the next day. Plus I felt a little "off" for about another day. Really no big deal at all. Honestly I'm a bit fearful of the second shot and how I'll feel, but that is just a normal reaction. And I've heard from a lot of people that only had sore arms, and only a few that were a bit flu-like for 12-36 hours. So the worst that will happen will be not feeling great for a day. And the reward is hanging out with some people I miss (who are already vaccinated, or getting their second dose soon). Worth it!

#22251 6 months ago
Quoted from Daditude:

Is this really going to be a thing?[quoted image]

It will be at my house. At least until there is no coronavirus in the United States.

I host a pinball league here sometimes, and I also have social pinball gatherings occasionally. And every person invited will be asked the question about whether they have been vaccinated more than two weeks prior to the event. If the answer is no, the invite will be rescinded and they will not be welcome in my home.

And I'm NOT doing that to protect the unvaccinated. I'm doing that to protect the ones that ARE vaccinated. My understanding is that a vaccinated person can still carry Covid, but at a much lower viral load. It is going to take another 5 - 6 months to understand the transmissibility of that viral load. It is being actively studied, but we really don't know yet. My house policy many change after the results are actually known.

That way nobody that gets it will be saying "I went to DaveH's and I think I caught it there". And I'll be offering free pizza to the vaccinated! (that's bullshit, because the pizza at my house is always free).

#22258 6 months ago
Quoted from RonSS:

So, when someone presents a fake card (which we know will be easy to make) all the safe, vaccinated people will be intermingling with those dirty, germ carriers?

Speaking of which, Walgreens in Massachusetts just opened up a ton of appointments for J&J. They were still available this morning for anyone over 18 with 1 condition. If there are none in your direct area, put in a different zipcode. Because I know I'd drive 50 miles for one. You know, for those people that want a real card.

#22261 6 months ago
Quoted from RonSS:

Don't see how this is connected, but, ok, psa.
I'm still thinking there isn't really a "check" without a public database...

It wasn’t related at all. My real answer to you bringing up the segregation of the Vax vs the Unwashed was snarky. I was picturing some fool at their computer faking up a vaccine card, and sneaking into some mythical “vaxxed only” event, and catching Covid there and dying. It made me chuckle.

Society is not going to split between people that want it, vs don’t want the vaccine. Two months after it is readily available, and you can just get an appointment, all of the histrionics are moot. At that point the people getting very sick and dying of Covid will be people that didn’t want the vaccine. Honestly I find that funny. Comeuppance gone wild!

So rather than say all that, and the other snarky parts I left out, I decided to let people know that there were appointments available this morning.

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#22286 6 months ago

2nd shot of Pfizer last Monday. Minor sore arm Monday night, but then Tuesday I started feeling like crap. Nothing crazy, just crappy. I took a couple of naps during the day, and then ended up stopping work early. It lasted about 12 hours, and then I was fine Tuesday night. Totally fine after that. And VERY happy to be going through my wait after getting the vaccine so I can see some family members (also vaccinated) very soon.

Quoted from RonSS:

He's had a tough go as of late, so I'll just assume finding death humorous as temporary.

I feel the need to explain that I do not find death humorous under normal circumstances. The anti-vax crowd irritates me, but right now they actually make me mad. As a society, I feel we can, and should do better than that. Before we reach the end of this pandemic, every person will have the opportunity to get a vaccine if they want it. The ones I feel really horrible for will be the ones that can't take it due to other medical conditions going on. That has to be unbelievably difficult to need to continue quarantining after the world opens up more. However that is also a very small percentage of people.

There is no chance I will feel any pity for anyone that has full opportunity to get protection from this, and refuses, and then gets sick, or worse. I consider them part of the reason this pandemic will last longer than it has to. It's not just about them. It is also about who they can spread it to. If they cross paths with someone I know or love, is that fair? I'll even answer my own question... no, it isn't fair.

In most human stories where there is a battle between good and evil, we cheer when good triumphs. Be it books, or movies, we are all happy when the people that did wrong get what they deserved. I don't believe in any grand form of karma for humanity, but I don't mind when it raises its hand. And I consider the whole anti-vax movement to be wrong on a moral level.

#22294 6 months ago
Quoted from Daditude:

Has anyone received the johnson and johnson 1 shot vaccine yet? Did you have any side effects?

I know 8 people at work and friends that have had J&J in the last 2 weeks. The thing I'm hearing the most is being very tired / fatigued starting around 24 hours later (some less than 24 hours later). Not everyone, but enough to make me think it is best to take the next day off, or schedule on a Friday. So far they've all been fine the next morning. Obviously this is anecdotal evidence with only 8 samples.

The one difference for you is, I don't know anyone that has had J&J after having Covid. I've only known people that got Pfizer after having it.

#22327 6 months ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

This is not good. I figured since I was vaccinated, that I could still get infected. But I thought dying was not supposed to be part of the package.
"About 5,800 people who have been vaccinated against coronavirus have become infected anyway, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention tells CNN.
Some became seriously ill and 74 people died, the CDC said. It said 396 -- 7% -- of those who got infected after they were vaccinated required hospitalization.

Today is my “fully vaccinated” day. And these numbers make me feel great about the vaccine.

When I read that article, I was struck by what good news it was. The thing I didn’t like was the percentage they listed (7%) for requiring hospitalization. That sounded large at first, until I realized it was a percentage of a very small number. Out of 77,000,000 people, 5800 caught Covid, and 396 required hospitalization for Covid. So 0.008% caught Covid. And 0.0006% of fully vaccinated people required hospitalization for Covid.

Those numbers are stunningly small. Especially not knowing the rest of the data like lifestyle, and in this case, I would want to know other conditions they had. But even without that, wow. 77 million people, 396 hospitalizations for Covid. That’s amazing.

#22365 6 months ago
Quoted from Dent00:

The pharmacist told me to keep that card because it might be "required" at some point to board an airplane.

I consider pharmacists to be just like regular people. If they told me about a chemical reaction or side effect of a medication I had been prescribed, I’d listen intently because they are trained in that subject. But if they spoke on other subjects, like this one, I’d treat their words with the same weight as if said by a 2 year old. He was just spouting opinions.

Could that happen? I guess it’s possible, but highly doubtful. Just imagine the backlash.

#22396 6 months ago
Quoted from roffels:

Not only that, the "proof" is literally just a piece of cardboard that's reasonably easy to fake.

I'm totally fine with people faking the cards. If someone is so desperate that they want to fake being vaccinated to be among people without masks during a pandemic, go ahead. The only people they could actually hurt are themselves, other liars at the event, their state, their country, the world, and mankind in general. Have at it.

#22432 6 months ago
Quoted from gweempose:

The problem is that the risk isn't completely zero, even among the vaccinated, and vaccine-resistant mutations continue to develop and spread among the population.

Quoted from nwpinball:

Nah, they still could infect and kill someone.

I agree. Hence my comment that escalated from person, to person, to locality, to nation, to all of mankind:

Quoted from DaveH:

The only people they could actually hurt are themselves, other liars at the event, their state, their country, the world, and mankind in general.

I just don't think a single Anti-Vaxxer will change their mind, and in fact, if their behavior brings about a variant that just ignores the vaccine I had, they will say "See, the vaccine didn't work anyway!". I accept that there is nothing I will ever say that will change their mind.

Is it pessimistic to say it is what it is now? How many actual anti-vaxxer minds have been changed? (hint: none, short of an individual getting a very bad case of Covid)

#22452 6 months ago
Quoted from Trogdor:

I fear the group think has disabled your ability to empathize.

I see the exact opposite in what he said.

#22469 6 months ago
Quoted from cdnpinbacon:

How do you solve the crisis in India??

Everyone stays in their house with their family. Stock up supplies, or get them delivered. Then don't associate with anyone outside your household until it calms back down.

I realize that is an over simplistic way of looking at it. But this is a respiratory virus. It spreads by being in proximity to other people. When you understand that, the rest is pretty straightforward. Whine about personal rights, bitch about freedoms, but it is that simple. If you are not near anyone, you won't get it. The cases where that isn't true are fairly rare.

It's exactly what I did when one of a family member died in December. I totally locked down. I didn't allow anyone to get close enough to me to infect me from mid-December until 10 days ago when I was fully vaccinated. For everything I did I asked the simple question, was this going to be worth dying over. And I acted accordingly. And I also realize it was easier for me, because I was able to work from home. But if I couldn't have done that, I would have been living off savings until it passed.

So that is how to solve the crisis in India, or anywhere. But I don't think they will do that.

#22496 6 months ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

Typical of something said by someone who does not have the complete information to run a cogent argument.
If you can’t make a debate then put your opponent down with name calling and try to come out on top with putdowns.

I don't think it was putting down because he wasn't able to make a cogent argument. I think he might have been referring to festivals in India where millions of people show up during a pandemic. They were well into this wave when millions of people gathered... millions of them... at a festival. I very much realize a "festival" in India isn't how I as an American would normally think of the word "festival"... but let me see if I can grasp this. Millions of people went to it. 10 days ago.

I think Luckydogg420 may have said it in exactly the right way.

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#22504 6 months ago

I bought a ticket to a Pinball Show! You remember pinball, right? That hobby all of us here have in common.

Pintastic New England tickets went on sale, and I decided to go. It's in November, and by that time it will have been two full years since I went to a show. I have absolutely no idea what the world will be like in November. The hotel is refundable right up until the night before. So the worst that will happen is that I lose the cost of my ticket supporting the show if I decide it isn't a good idea.

But... the nice part is that the world might be more normal by then. I'm already fully vaccinated, so now it gives me something to look forward to for 7 months. I'm already looking around at what games I'm going to bring. So now we HAVE to have this all under control by then

#22540 6 months ago
Quoted from pinlink:

To be honest, I am having some second thoughts on getting the 2nd shot.

Can I agree with you? Yes I can. To be very honest, I was scared of both shots. My biggest fear was that I had to be near people to get them! Add that to the anxiety of even getting this thing, so much so that I ended up crying while getting it. The nurse kept telling me I needed to relax my arm, and I told her through tears that this was the best she was going to get.

For the fear of getting sick after the second shot, as ForceFlow said very well, it is WAY better than getting Covid and dealing with being sick from that. I know a lot of people that have had all 3 vaccines that are approved. Through work I know a ton more. Plus I had mine (Pfizer). For me, I was feeling tired and off for about 12 hours (couldn't focus). And I'd say from what I've seen, that is very average. In others I've seen nothing, sore arms, tired, minor fever, chills, aches. But I have not seen a single one that was bad. Bed for a day, and back on their feet. I've taken to recommending people take the next day off from work if they can. It seems to hit about 24 hours after the shot. But again, not in everyone, and not that bad.

Overall it is fairly easy. Then you have a couple days of more anxiety, and then a couple weeks later (after your second) you realize you won't catch Covid. And that is a really nice feeling.

Quoted from ForceFlow:

If you don't take the second shot, it looks like its effectiveness may wear off a lot faster than if you actually complete both vaccinations since the second shot is what makes your immune system store long-term antibodies for covid.

I've read that if you just skip the second for Pfizer and Moderna, the effectiveness of only the one shot starts dropping after 10 weeks. A single dose can give you pretty good protection, but it is only short term.

#22581 5 months ago
Quoted from JohnnyPinball007:

Also, I know that while someone coughing, sneezing, etc. is the main way this virus spreads

BREATHING. You forgot to list breathing around other people. It is very important to understand that the other person can look 100% healthy, and can literally just breathe in the same space, and pass the virus to you in tiny droplets.

As an example, have you ever “seen your breath” on a cold morning? Do you know what you are seeing is tiny droplets that have condensed from vapor coming out of your lungs? These are the very small and light ones that hang in the air.

Talk in the sun rays coming through a window in the fall, did you ever notice the little tiny drops coming from your mouth as you say the letter "P", "T" or "D"? Hard consonants where you can see them sometimes when the light is right.

This is what makes Covid-19 different. Asymptomatic (someone who appears healthy) transmission. Breathing and talking around a person that is infected with it can easily transmit it to you. They don't need to be a coughy sneezy mess to be sending it out around them.

#22599 5 months ago
Quoted from rwmech5:

I'll take the shot when the FDA officially approves it.

Don’t you mean CFIA?

#22610 5 months ago
Quoted from viper001:

We buried my Dad at the beginning of last month.

Sorry for the loss of your dad.

For the rest, personally, I've learned a lot about some people during this pandemic. There are some folks I'm no longer associating with because of their take on the whole thing. However there are a lot of others that I cannot wait to be around and have fun with again. That's always there in any hobby. Steer clear of the assholes, and have fun with the good people.

#22630 5 months ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

"Going back into work? Prepare to prove you've been vaccinated"
"But this year, there is a new requirement for their 225-member staff: Covid-19 vaccinations are mandatory."
"As the country moves toward fully reopening and vaccinations become more readily available, businesses are exploring whether they can legally mandate new or existing staff to be vaccinated. The short answer is yes."
So, get the vaccine or hit the bricks.

I hate that I am so OK with that. From the article:

"But we are drawing a hard line in the sand that if you want to be present with students, you will have to have the vaccine."

I view it all as the greater good. One of the big reasons Covid has been difficult (besides killing people) is how easily it spreads. They don't want it spreading in their own house. That sounds like a reasonable imposition. I'm pretty sure the company I work for is going to do the exact same thing.

Hell, I'm going to be doing the same thing. When I open my house back up for league and random gatherings, if you are not vaccinated, you won't be welcome here. I've always had behavior rules (don't be an asshole or you get kicked out), so this is no different.

And obviously I'm not saying that to you, only speaking to the article. Private entities set rules all the time.

#22636 5 months ago
Quoted from RonSS:

So, when someone presents a fake card (which we know will be easy to make) all the safe, vaccinated people will be intermingling with those dirty, germ carriers?


“forgery of a government seal”

I never knew that was a felony.

#22671 5 months ago
Quoted from Daditude:

How does everyone feel about mask wearing in your area?
Should we continue? Stop? Slow down?
I'm curious to know.

I’m fully vaccinated, and I’ll continue to wear a mask out in the world. In stores, picking up takeout, generally where I’m around people.

Obviously if I’m in a very small group of people I know are all fully vaccinated, we don’t wear masks. I’ve played maskless pinball a couple of times, which was awesome.

47,591 people caught Covid in the United States yesterday (our current 7 day average).

688 people died of Covid in the United States yesterday (it was actually 815, but the 7 day average was 688 deaths, so I find that more representative). And having seen it up close, I can personally report that it’s a shitty way to die.

The pandemic isn’t over, so I’ll still wear a mask when I’m out and about.

#22701 5 months ago
Quoted from zaphX:

We'll get there eventually, but right now there's no way to differentiate a vaccinated person from non.

I disagree with this a bit. I treat everyone whom I don't know their vaccine status as unvaccinated. If they try to get to close to me, I treat them like they have asymptomatic Covid. It is surprisingly easy because I'm not putting myself in any situations that require more information about them.

For the people closer to me, like friends and family, I already know their vaccine status. I know the ones I can hang out with, and I know the ones that are only a few weeks from getting their ass kicked playing pinball together after some second shots this week.

#22735 5 months ago
Quoted from mrm_4:

Just ban all media

Just some text from a pesky document for reference:

U.S. Constitution - First Amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

#22786 5 months ago
Quoted from RTR:

just keep a spray bottle of fresh Coronavirus at the entrance. Everyone who wants to attend without a mask gets one spray right in the face. That should keep almost everyone honest.

I'm fully vaccinated, and this made me shiver. My misanthropic side said YEAH, while my practical science side threw up in my mouth.

I always like to paint a picture.

#22802 5 months ago
Quoted from supermatt:

I’m not expecting any positive comments from this post but it is a two way street.

I’m positive you are using generalizations on one side, vs individual on the other side. See, I can make a positive comment.

#22837 5 months ago

I'm just about ready to start my 2 month timer, but I need reports from other states...

This morning as I was driving past a mass vax site in Massachusetts, and they had the big orange signs out on the road displaying "Walk-In appointments available". If I hadn't been vaccinated already, I could have just pulled into the parking lot, and received a vaccine. So in Massachusetts, we have what I would call "General Availability". Do other states have vaccines that freely available now?

To me, the pandemic (in America) ends two months after general availability of a vaccine that prevents the catastrophic parts of Covid. I feel that is a reasonable amount of time to let people protect themselves (the two dose vaccine taking 5 - 6 weeks to reach full protection).

#22887 5 months ago
Quoted from PBFan:

To put some context here. The Canadian vaccination rate will surpass that of the US this week. They had a slow start and still don’t have enough supply to meet demand. The real issue now is that a larger percentage of remaining Canadians want the vaccine than remaining Americans and the Canadians don’t have an oversupply issue unlike in the US. Supply issues are localized in Canada just as they were earlier in the US and only so many shots per day can be given.

While that is true, that the Canadian vaccination rates will surpass the US soon, the scale of the two is vastly different. Currently the US is administering about 1.8 million doses per day. That is obviously down from when it was over 3 million a day, but still a good clip.

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#22960 5 months ago
Quoted from MrBally:

I wonder how many deaths I'm responsible for?

And I wonder if the person responsible for killing my sister with it even knows what they did.

I realize I've had some pretty heavy posts in this thread, and I'm probably a bit raw because I've been cleaning out my dead sisters apartment the last few weeks. You know, the one that injured her foot and needed surgery, who came back from that with Covid and then died from it?

Your question makes me wonder if the person that gave it to her even knows that they did. We have no idea where she got it. Was it the ambulance going to the hospital? Was it in the ER? Was it in the OR? In a hallway from someone? All we know is that is an easily spreadable respiratory virus, and somewhere on that journey someone else had it. Maybe their case was minor, maybe they thought it was "just a flu". Maybe they are also not with us anymore. We'll never know those answers.

I know you were just talking about eating in a restaurant. But overall in America we are all responsible for about 579,041 deaths (according to the CDC). And a huge part of that number traces directly back to us being irresponsible as a society.

#22999 5 months ago
Quoted from RonSS:

Maybe your employer should demand you be a vegetarian, or do yoga three times a week? Maybe they shouldn't allow alcohol or smoking/vaping outside of work hours (or within!)?

If you eating steak caused a deadly disease that kills your coworkers, then yes. Your employer should be able to force you to be vegetarian.

The term for this is “reductio ad absurdum” (reduction to absurdity). You are attempting to bring it all the way to absurdity to be able to say it shouldn’t apply. It’s a commonly used fallacy that is pretty disingenuous.

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#23080 4 months ago
Quoted from Daditude:

I went to Walmart the other day and they had flyers at the front for "free covid vaccinations with no appointment needed."
I wonder if they are offering these at all Walmarts?

The Walmart near me in Massachusetts was announcing them over the PA last Saturday. Free, no waiting. Gillette Stadium where the Patriots play has signs on the major road outside that announce walk-in appointments available. So basically anyone in Massachusetts can get one, likely the same day they decide they want it. That’s why I’m fine the mask mandate was lifted. Everyone here has had plenty of opportunity to get vaccinated.

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#23246 4 months ago
Quoted from WJxxxx:

10% hospitalised equates to 90% efficacy - far and above what the majority of similar vaccines can achieve.

Does it? I mean far be it from me to question math, but that isn’t how you would derive efficacy.

#23282 4 months ago
Quoted from nwpinball:

I really hope they can make a booster vaccine for the Delta variant by this Fall, I'd hate for us to go backwards on this pandemic and need to go back to into stricter lockdown. Maybe this will be the thing that finally makes more people embrace the vaccine.

Don’t we already have them? I’ve read in multiple places that the mRNA vaccines are highly effective against the Delta variant.

The link mcluvin posted above would scare the crap out of me if I wasn’t vaccinated. Catching it from just a passing encounter? Yikes! When that becomes prevalent, that will really spread quickly among unvaccinated people.

#23318 4 months ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

When I see someone wearing a mask now I just figure they aren't ready to unmask, for whatever reason.

That's me! I'm wearing one until someone walks up to me in a store and calls me a "Sheeple". The closest I've gotten was yesterday when someone said "Why are you wearing a mask, I don't have cooties". Needless to say my mask stayed on.

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#23400 3 months ago
Quoted from dinot:

In addition, news out of Israel shows a sharp decline in efficacy of the Pfizer vaccine against Delta. My suspicion is that efficacy is the same but that additional exposure is what is causing the rise in infections. So in other words, you have good protection but once many more people get infected you are exposed to more virus. The reassuring note is that protection from hospitalization remains strong (but hospitalizations tend to trail infections by 2-3 weeks)
So we really, really need as many people vaccinated as possible.

I'm no math whiz, but I'm having a hard time making sense of the numbers in this article.

"As of July 4, there were 35 serious cases of coronavirus in Israel, compared with 21 on June 19."

Yes, that is a "sharp increase". However, 5,180,000 people have been vaccinated. So out of 5 million, 35 current serious cases.

"Ynet said. Last Friday, 55% of the newly infected had been vaccinated"

So to be generous and say all 35 cases were new, and more than half of them were vaccinated, we are talking less than 20 people out of 5 million.

How does that add up? I understand how serious a single case is (I really do). I just can't figure out how they are calling that a drop in efficacy against Delta because it is so far below the number of actual cases I'd expect at 95% efficacy.

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#23635 3 months ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

I totally got vaxxed for myself. Wanted to visit my folks again, go on vacation, etc.

I can feel superior and say I did it for the country and the world, but everybody knows I did it for me. I had a front row seat for watching what Covid does to loved ones. Anyone who politicizes an effective vaccine, or refuses to take it when they could have is just dumb. Full stop.

#23697 3 months ago
Quoted from woody76:

They say the J&J vaccine is worthless.

FALSE, unless "They" refer to people spreading misinformation.

Quoted from woody76:

shots don't seem to be working.


#23708 3 months ago
Quoted from cdnpinbacon:

Someone please invent an air condition bubble-suit that you can walk around in. I dont care how I look if it keeps me alive.


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#23738 3 months ago
Quoted from DCFAN:

LA man who mocked Covid-19 vaccines dies of virus


I don’t want to laugh at his death, but I do. Feel free to call me the asshole for that, but he 100% had a chance to get vaccinated. There’s a deadly respiratory virus, and a vaccine that’s highly effective against it. Sounds pretty simple to me.

#23777 3 months ago

"These numbers are extraordinary. We are seeing nearly 1,000 new cases in Orange County daily. Those are the numbers we saw at the highest peak last year," Mayor Jerry Demings, a Democrat, said Monday during a news conference. "So a thousand a day is extraordinary. We are now in crisis mode."

That is from https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/26/politics/florida-jerry-demings-covid-warning-amusement-parks/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_topstories+%28RSS%3A+CNN+-+Top+Stories%29

#23805 3 months ago