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Quoted from TheFamilyArcade:There are many valid reasons and scholarly texts describing why the electoral college is antiquated, unfair and unfit for this democracy. How the country is MUCH much different now than then, and why it existed in the first place isn’t relevant now.
Last I checked... we were still a union of states- not one federal unit.
Quoted from flynnibus:Last I checked... we were still a union of states- not one federal unit.
Doesn’t make my point any less valid.
Hey guys, this morning has been awesome! Love the dialogue. A good mix of ideas and perspectives! A nice stew!
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Quoted from TheFamilyArcade:Doesn’t make my point any less valid.
Yes it does... because, like the makeup of the senate... the design is to ensure the simple majority don’t dominate. Yes how each state names it’s electors etc is funky etc... but the idea of a straight popular vote nukes the protections of the smaller states.
Electoral college is not perfect by any means.... but it serves a purpose over popular vote.
Quoted from chad:I hear you there. !
I have read all those, but thank you.
What is missing is crossing those messages of hope, with what was happening at the top,
and the additional press meetings, that he tried to follow the leader, to get aide.
NY has gone back and forth, from Towing the line from the top, to outright screaming for help.
This position is True, just to get help.
It is however fail to criticize that they should have simply locked down, in defiance of leadership,
But hopefully we can share a belief as to how this would have been received as a Nation, and by Leadership, if they locked down sooner.
Here is a bit of the Timeline:
The numbers bear out that success. The first known case in New Rochelle was discovered March 2. By March 10, that number had shot up to 108 coronavirus cases, evidence of exponential growth. The containment zone was established two days later.
15 days ago.
Here is the Tweet in that time frame:
"The Fake News Media and their partner, the Democrat Party, is doing everything within its semi-considerable power (it used to be greater!) to inflame the CoronaVirus situation, far beyond what the facts would warrant. Surgeon General, “The risk is low to the average American.”"
So should they have locked the state down, in addition to the Outbreak area? Yes, perhaps, now in hindsight.
But at that time, it wouldnt have been tolerated, and maybe even today, there is debate on the legality of some of this....
I Understand you now, though, which is why I asked the ventilator question.
Hindsight makes everyone right, and Im not trying to be rude to you, but it allows one to
create views that are likely different than real time decisions.
Quoted from cait001:The newspaper of record, with the highest amount spent on fact-checking, with a republican editorial board, is not "left" just because one guy built a flimsy narrative that everyone who reports facts is part of a cabal against him.
Just because new media ventures were started up to praise him like a North Korean god, that doesn't push all centrist publications "left". All that means is that serious people should discard his pomp and noise.
Lots of things to criticize NYT over. Being "skewed left" is not one of them.
Care to comment on the content of the articles I posted rather than nitpicking?
They all slant one way or another now days. Some more than others bit that wasn't really the point of my post.
Quoted from flynnibus:Yes it does... because, like the makeup of the senate... the design is to ensure the simple majority don’t dominate. Yes how each state names it’s electors etc is funky etc... but the idea of a straight popular vote nukes the protections of the smaller states.
Electoral college is not perfect by any means.... but it serves a purpose over popular vote.
If you like things the way they are, that’s your prerogative. Agree to disagree.
Why should smaller states be protected exactly? Why should the will of the people be based on geography? In today’s world, when pretty much everyone can pack up and move where they want? Where you live is much more of a choice now. And what about the “protections” of the millions of others disenfranchised people?
Quoted from TheFamilyArcade:Wish I had more upvotes for this (and more downvotes for others, as I seem to have exhausted mine for this session).
I would like this to be a sticky “Key Post” please. In fact, I’m going to cut and paste this to repost every time some ignoramus bashes the NYT.
Let's stay focused on the topic instead of avoiding the elephant in the room.
Did you read those articles? Are they from reputable, unbiased news outlets? What are your thoughts after reading them?
I still am waiting to hear from the New Yorkers here how Diblasio and ultimately Cuomo's slow responses to their city and states situation is a acceptable given the criticisms of Trump and the feds for basically the same type of blunders.
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I am a registered Republican (there, I sacked up 
) but am not exactly thrilled with everything President Trump says or does. There are many days I wish I could just tell him to stop talking or stop tweeting! Some things I agree with some I don’t. I am not “pretending” or trying to “fool” anyone about anything. I like to hear and truly understand opposing views. Sometimes an opposing viewpoint opens my eyes and changes my mind about how I feel about something. This is why I wanted to engage with you specifically a few days ago and we had good conversation, it gave me lots to think about. TheFamilyArcade has many valid points but he undermines his own points and validity by putting in political bs. That’s what needs to stop. In my opinion, people would listen to his and other’s points more if they left that stuff out of it. That’s all I was trying to ask of him and others. Carry on...
Can we just put Dr. Fauci interviews on a loop as the only content on all TV channels, YouTube, and Twitch for a week?
Quoted from wrb1977:I am a registered Republican (there, I sacked up ) but am not exactly thrilled with everything President Trump says or does. There are many days I wish I could just tell him to stop talking or stop tweeting! Some things I agree with some I don’t. I am not “pretending” or trying to “fool” anyone about anything. I like to hear and truly understand opposing views. Sometimes an opposing viewpoint opens my eyes and changes my mind about how I feel about something. This is why I wanted to engage with you specifically a few days ago and we had good conversation, it gave me lots to think about. thefamilyarcade has many valid points but he undermines his own points and validity by putting in political bs. That’s what needs to stop. In my opinion, people would listen to his and other’s points more if they left that stuff out of it. That’s all I was trying to ask of him and others. Carry on...
Well thanks for being honest anyway.
There is a difference between a considered opinion I sometimes disagree with (you) and what I consider willful ignorance or one-side cheerleading (others). I just think some things should be above politics and this is one of them - the experts should be leading us through this, not the politicians.
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Dude, I’ve been moderated like 40 times in this thread. Relax. There’s no “bias” here except Confirmation bias. Most of us are trying to walk a tightrope here.
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This maybe says more about how things are normally treated...you may have just dunked on yourself
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You are not alone. I have been a Pinsider for going on 5 years and just received my first moderation notice ever. All I was trying to do was keep this thread on track by asking fellow Pinsiders to try and leave politics out of it which IS a Pinside rule and I was moderated. 
Quoted from Wickerman2:This maybe says more about how things are normally treated...you may have just dunked on yourself
Posterized! Now I’m really out. See ya later.
I don’t understand why people get bent out of shape about being moderated, they’re in a tough spot as this topic is damn near impossible to discuss honestly without some political talk. Personally I think they’ve done a pretty good job, all things considered.
As one of the moderators, let me explain why I personally think this thread is useful and why I advocate keeping it open, despite the hard-to-avoid "political bs" and multiple moderation notices:
It may help saving lives later and I hope you will find useful information (again, look for key posts if you want to decrease noise...) and perhaps some comfort.
Believe me, I now live in a ghost town and it's kind of scary.
It would be so much easier for us to close this thread!
Quoted from CrazyLevi:You think most people are going back 2 pages to see if someone else got shanked by a mod?
I’ve been removed several times but keep coming back! Like a virus
Quoted from CrazyLevi:The other thing is this thread moves so fast, the people
Who are moderated are the only people who think they get moderated.
You think most people are going back 2 pages to see if someone else got shanked by a mod?
This thread needs a moderation scoreboard.
Wonder who’s in the lead?
Quoted from Wickerman2:I’ve been removed several times but keep coming back! Like a virus
Wickerman2= Athletes foot
This one aged like milk:
“I’m shaking hands continuously. I was at a hospital the other night where I think there were actually a few coronavirus patients and I shook hands with everybody, you’ll be pleased to know. I continue to shake hands." - Boris Johnson, 3rd March
Quoted from Pablito350:Cuomo making a historic speech right now. wow.
paraphrase?
Quoted from wrb1977:You are not alone. I have been a Pinsider for going on 5 years and just received my first moderation notice ever. All I was trying to do was keep this thread on track by asking fellow Pinsiders to try and leave politics out of it which IS a Pinside rule and I was moderated.
I was actually moderated for another reason than what I stated, it was for a comment I made to another Pinsider regarding this topic. To the mods, I stand corrected.
He was talking to the people working in this fight of how they will look back on all of this 10 years from now and shed a tear because of all the bad stuff they will have seen, but they will know that they showed up and helped.
I can't do it justice. Should be required viewing.
Quoted from jlm33:As one of the moderators, let me explain why I personally think this thread is useful and why I advocate keeping it open, despite the hard-to-avoid "political bs" and multiple moderation notices:
It may help saving lives later and I hope you will find useful information (again, look for key posts if you want to decrease noise...) and perhaps some comfort.
Believe me, I now live in a ghost town and it's kind of scary.
It would be so much easier for us to close this thread!
Right on! If you can’t take it, go talk about pinball. Can you disable the up-down votes in this section? Seems a gang are going around just down voting even relevant posts.
He got applause after from the army corp. He's just taking questions now. It will be all over the place later. Powerful stuff.
Does anyone have facts about the usefulness of ventilators? I heard that 95% of the people in Wuhan placed on ventilators ended up dying. I dont know if its true or not .
Quoted from Astill:Does anyone have facts about the usefulness of ventilators? I heard that 95% of the people in Wuhan placed on ventilators ended up dying. I dont know if its true or not .
Straight from the local hospitals - from my neighbor is a E.R. doctor and from a report yesterday from the person in charge of hospitals in France: Ventilators save lives... but sadly not all of them - not even close, but not as bad as 5%. The longer you have to stay with vent assistance, the lower your chances of making it.
Also depends on your age.
Quoted from Pablito350:It will be all over the place later. Powerful stuff.
21 more days till their possible peak, damn!
Quoted from OLDPINGUY:I have read all those, but thank you.
What is missing is crossing those messages of hope, with what was happening at the top,
and the additional press meetings, that he tried to follow the leader, to get aide.
NY has gone back and forth, from Towing the line from the top, to outright screaming for help.
This position is True, just to get help.
It is however fail to criticize that they should have simply locked down, in defiance of leadership,
But hopefully we can share a belief as to how this would have been received as a Nation, and by Leadership, if they locked down sooner.
Here is a bit of the Timeline:
The numbers bear out that success. The first known case in New Rochelle was discovered March 2. By March 10, that number had shot up to 108 coronavirus cases, evidence of exponential growth. The containment zone was established two days later.
15 days ago.
Here is the Tweet in that time frame:
"The Fake News Media and their partner, the Democrat Party, is doing everything within its semi-considerable power (it used to be greater!) to inflame the CoronaVirus situation, far beyond what the facts would warrant. Surgeon General, “The risk is low to the average American.”"
So should they have locked the state down, in addition to the Outbreak area? Yes, perhaps, now in hindsight.
But at that time, it wouldnt have been tolerated, and maybe even today, there is debate on the legality of some of this....
I Understand you now, though, which is why I asked the ventilator question.
Hindsight makes everyone right, and Im not trying to be rude to you, but it allows one to
create views that are likely different than real time decisions.
What does this have to do with my response
To Levi changing 30 lamp sockets out? 
Quoted from Atari_Daze:21 more days till their possible peak, damn!
Yeah, that’s pretty unsettling.
Stay strong New Yorkers, stay healthy.
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