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#28551 2 years ago

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Utesichiban

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Quoted from cottonm4:
Another one bites the dust.
https://news.yahoo.com/qanon-star-said-only-idiots-194553934.html
"A leading QAnon promoter who urged both her followers and strangers she passed on the street not to take the COVID vaccine died Thursday of the coronavirus, making her just the latest vaccine opponent killed by the disease."
Her legacy:
" In the face of these deaths, their surviving friends and supporters have started to allege that the dead QAnon figures are being murdered, either because they were refused internet folk remedies like ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine, or because they were killed by the deep-state to cover up their conspiracy theories.
"In December, Kuzma and a number of other conspiracy theorists were sickened with COVID-like symptoms after appearing together at a conference. Rather than acknowledge that they had COVID, the far-right influencers suggested they had been targeted by an anthrax attack."
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At least she did not turn into a 4 month long coma sucking up hospital resources paid for by Uncle Sugar.

Good hell. Who are these people?

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#28552 2 years ago

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Friengineer

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Quoted from hAbO:
and free.

The vaccines are 100% not free. The government has to pay for them some how.

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#28553 2 years ago

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DaveH

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Quoted from cottonm4:
" Nurse Says Viagra Saved Her From Severe Covid-19 Coronavirus Infection"

What a boner headed way to do it.

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#28555 2 years ago

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sven

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Quoted from Friengineer:
The vaccines are 100% not free. The government has to pay for them some how.

That is indeed true. But it saves a lot more because of the lesser hospitalisations and less damage to the economy.

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#28556 2 years ago

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hAbO

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Quoted from Friengineer:
The vaccines are 100% not free. The government has to pay for them some how.

100% free in terms of the average Joe not paying out of pocket. What that means long term afterwards with government collecting and/or passing it on tax payers is another thing. Without the the US government intervention though we wouldn’t be as fortunate having the vaccines available for everyone.

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#28558 2 years ago

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cottonm4

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Quoted from Friengineer:
The vaccines are 100% not free. The government has to pay for them some how.

You are correct. They are not free. But how many would NOT be getting vaccinated if they had to pay for it?

How many people might change their minds if they were told the govt. is no longer picking up the tab for the unvaccinated and their insurance company required hefty co-pays? Would this galvanize them into action with regards to getting vaccinated?

I am at the point that if the hospitals said "no admittance" to those not vaccinated then it is the covid patient's tough luck.

Post last edited 2 years ago: “"Those without insurance" changed to "those not vaccinated ". ”

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#28563 2 years ago

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DaveH

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Quoted from cottonm4:
I am at the point that if the hospitals said "no admittance" to those without insurance then it is the covid patients tough luck

I’m not sure you worded that how you meant…

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#28564 2 years ago

POP

RTR

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Quoted from cottonm4:
Ivermectin, move over. You are being upstaged.
" Nurse Says Viagra Saved Her From Severe Covid-19 Coronavirus Infection"
https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2022/01/08/nurse-says-viagra-saved-her-from-severe-covid-19-coronavirus-infection/
My question is: If you are a guy and you take Viagra for covid relief, will you be able to do that without producing a 4 hour woody?

It will make proning the male ICU patients more difficult.

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#28565 2 years ago

POP

RTR

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Quoted from Friengineer:
The vaccines are 100% not free. The government has to pay for them some how.

The vaccines will be one of the cheapest things we did during the entire pandemic.

And they kept our hospitals from being overrun.

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#28566 2 years ago

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cottonm4

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Quoted from DaveH:
I’m not sure you worded that how you meant…

Thanks. Correction made.

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#28567 2 years ago

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ForceFlow

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Quoted from Friengineer:
The vaccines are 100% not free. The government has to pay for them some how.

Quoted from RTR:
The vaccines will be one of the cheapest things we did during the entire pandemic.
And they kept our hospitals from being overrun.

Remember what Italy looked like pre-vaccine? Their heath care system basically collapsed due to being totally overwhelmed.

In case anyone has forgotten what it was like, this seems to be an apt summary of that horror show:

All routine procedures have been stopped. Operating rooms have been transformed to intensive care units and other emergencies like trauma and stroke are being diverted or not treated at all. There are hundreds of people with severe respiratory failure who have no access to any form of treatment. People above the age of 65 are not even being assessed, and when they arrest, no ICU staff responds.

https://globalhealth.harvard.edu/lessons-from-northern-italy-why-even-great-health-systems-collapse-under-covid-19-case-load/

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#28568 2 years ago

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ForceFlow

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https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/459310/anti-vaccination-doctor-jonie-girouard-can-no-longer-practise-in-new-zealand

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-fake-vax-exemption-doctor-jonie-girouard-no-longer-able-to-practise-in-new-zealand/ELYAK5VECGTJDU6KLBDQTX4DEM/

Footage of Jonie Girouard issuing bogus exemptions and coaching people on how to use them sparked an investigation into the North Canterbury GP in December.

Medical Council chairperson Curtis Walker said Dr Girouard was now unable to practise medicine in New Zealand, as she was no longer registered.

"Council takes these matters very seriously and our concern is demonstrated by the publication of our recent guidance emphasising council's view that there is no place for anti-vaccination messages in professional practice, nor any promotion of anti-vaccination claims, including on social media and advertising by health practitioners," Walker said.

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#28569 2 years ago

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RTR

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I can't believe we have had the solution literally in our hands this entire time. I feel like Dorothy.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/anti-vax-leader-christopher-key-urges-followers-to-drink-their-own-urine-to-fight-covid-19?via=twitter_page

TLDR version summed up in his quote:

“The antidote that we have seen now, and we have tons and tons of research, is urine therapy. OK, and I know to a lot of you this sounds crazy, but guys, God’s given us everything we need,”

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#28570 2 years ago

JLM

jlm33

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Quoted from RTR:
"The antidote that we have seen now, and we have tons and tons of research, is urine therapy"

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#28571 2 years ago

JIM

Jamesays

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Quoted from DaveH:
What a boner headed way to do it.

what a load off my mind,Im immune and didnt know it.

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#28572 2 years ago

WOT

Atari_Daze

Spd

Houston, TX

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Quoted from RTR:
The antidote that we have seen now, and we have tons and tons of research, is urine therapy. OK, and I know to a lot of you this sounds crazy, but guys, God’s given us everything we need,

But aren't they testing our waste water treatment plants to find all the covid?

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#28573 2 years ago

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DaveH

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Quoted from RTR:
“The antidote that we have seen now, and we have tons and tons of research, is urine therapy. OK, and I know to a lot of you this sounds crazy, but guys, God’s given us everything we need,”

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#28574 2 years ago

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ForceFlow

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Quoted from RTR:
I can't believe we have had the solution literally in our hands this entire time. I feel like Dorothy.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/anti-vax-leader-christopher-key-urges-followers-to-drink-their-own-urine-to-fight-covid-19?via=twitter_page
TLDR version summed up in his quote:
“The antidote that we have seen now, and we have tons and tons of research, is urine therapy. OK, and I know to a lot of you this sounds crazy, but guys, God’s given us everything we need,”

And I thought they peaked at magic dirt.

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#28575 2 years ago

OAK

Oaken

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Quoted from Atari_Daze:
But aren't they testing our waste water treatment plants to find all the covid?

Don't worry, its the poop water that they are measuring.

So drink your pee...just don't eat your poop.

(what's the over/under until one of these yahoo's recommends eating your own feces?)

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#28576 2 years ago

LEV

CrazyLevi

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New York, NY

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Quoted from RTR:
I can't believe we have had the solution literally in our hands this entire time. I feel like Dorothy.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/anti-vax-leader-christopher-key-urges-followers-to-drink-their-own-urine-to-fight-covid-19?via=twitter_page
TLDR version summed up in his quote:
“The antidote that we have seen now, and we have tons and tons of research, is urine therapy. OK, and I know to a lot of you this sounds crazy, but guys, God’s given us everything we need,”

Hey it worked for Meat Loaf's vocal troubles and Kevin Costner in Waterworld.

Still only about the 5th dumbest fake cure embraced by the Covidiots.

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#28577 2 years ago

DAN

nwpinball

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Quoted from RTR:
I can't believe we have had the solution literally in our hands this entire time. I feel like Dorothy.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/anti-vax-leader-christopher-key-urges-followers-to-drink-their-own-urine-to-fight-covid-19?via=twitter_page
TLDR version summed up in his quote:
“The antidote that we have seen now, and we have tons and tons of research, is urine therapy. OK, and I know to a lot of you this sounds crazy, but guys, God’s given us everything we need,”

Wow. I knew anti-vaxxers were nuts, but this takes it to a whole new level.

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#28578 2 years ago

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cottonm4

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Quoted from CrazyLevi:
by the Covidiots.

And a new word has just been coined. Websters is going to need to add this word to its inventory.

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#28579 2 years ago

JOE

JoeJet

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Smithtown, NY

12y 73,550 2,426 7

Quoted from DaveH:
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Learn memes. The girl he is with should be bleach, hydroxycloroquine or the latest rumor if the dude is anti-vax.

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#28580 2 years ago

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MrBally

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Paradise, NV

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Here we go again....

https://www.orilliamatters.com/local-news/casino-rama-will-be-shutting-down-at-midnight-tuesday-4917903

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#28581 2 years ago

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PinPatch

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Melbourne

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Do you guys solely believe in the Vax? No treatments at all?

Serious question.

The Vax stastically reduces hospital transmission but does not slow the spread. Look at Australia over the last month. 90% plus population double vaxxed and massive amounts of new cases. Close to a 100k per day.

I know people who are double vaxxed, some are fine, some are struggling and a friend's uncle died.
Maybe someone's immune system prior to the Vax is more important than the Vax itself?

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#28582 2 years ago

RAZ

razorsedge

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Quoted from cottonm4:
And a new word has just been coined. Websters is going to need to add this word to its inventory.

... and the almost comical irony, how they don't even twigg on how the label really applies to them.

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#28583 2 years ago

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DaveH

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Quoted from PinPatch:
Do you guys solely believe in the Vax? No treatments at all?

Well if it’s a serious question, of course not. Why would you think of not using treatments that are available? Especially with newer and better ones like the Pfizer pill?

Quoted from PinPatch:
The Vax stastically reduces hospital transmission but does not slow the spread.

Up until omicron it was doing a very good job of slowing the spread. With Alpha, it was amazing at slowing / stopping spread. With Delta, it was still incredibly good. What I’m saying is that circumstances change. It’s a pandemic. And what was true 8 months ago may not be true today. This whole “Johnny come lately” stuff about it not slowing the spread is disingenuous. The game changed in late November / early December.

Some numbers tossed out by the White House yesterday were 17 times more likely to get really sick if you’re unvaccinated. 20 times more likely to die if you’re unvaccinated. If you would like to contradict that, make sure you bring charts. Because that sounds in line with most large hospital systems.

Quoted from PinPatch:
Maybe someone's immune system prior to the Vax is more important than the Vax itself?

That’s both true and false (IMHO). Unfortunately you cannot take an exact measure of an immune system. And I don’t think we know all the exact parameters that lead to good and bad outcomes. The vaccine has been shown to be incredibly effective. I will match the vaccine against a stronger immune system and win 98% of the time (that other 2% being people with comprised immune systems that don’t have full reaction to the vaccine.). With Covid, the vaccine is by far the most important thing.

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#28584 2 years ago

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sven

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Quoted from PinPatch:
Do you guys solely believe in the Vax? No treatments at all?

Serious question.

TLDR: Serious answer: No, not solely. I do believe there’s a lot more than just vaccines, but that vaccines at the moment are the most important to reduce the problems (which are also large with vaccines, but a lot larger without).

Longer version:
Serious answer: No, not solely. I believe it matters whether you're in good health or not. From vitamins to stamina to born with good or bad condition(s). I do believe there are proven, and maybe also unproven mediations that help once infected. I do believe that sometimes it's not easy to say why one gets Covid and another one doesn’t, or one gets lots of problems by an infection or even die and another person doesn't.

But I also do believe that

- when a well-studied vaccine, in which a lot more money, effort, studies and observations have been put than any other before because of the importance
- and which is looked at very closely to by the world
- and which has been proven to help a lot against hospitalisations: from studies to just looking at numbers of hospitalisations of similar groups with and without vaccination proves that

we should use vaccines to:

1. Save personal (and their family’s and friends) suffering
2. Help the healthcare system to a somewhat more manageable level by the reduction of problems that vaccines have proven to achieve, instead of an even worse situation when we wouldn’t use vaccinations (I don’t think that a lot of unvaccinated people right now understand that without so many people vaccinated, we’d have a way bigger problem than we already have).
3. Point 3 is for the people needing healthcare as well as the workforce, who I don’t envy at the moment.
4. Open the economy sooner than when we don’t use vaccines. No, it’s not like all measures can be ignored when everyone is vaccinated, but it does make a (big) difference, just because we can manage it a bit better if less people get (very) sick.
5. Also slow the spread. Indeed, with Omicron it seems it’s so contagious is doesn’t matter much, and we probably don’t experience much difference for it’s spreading so fast, but I still believe that if science (not politicians) tell that the chance of getting infected is a bit less when having been vaccinated (and boosted), it does make a difference. Even if the huge number of infections, including a lot vaccinated and boosted ones, make it look like it doesn’t matter.

I myself: I do take vitamin D3. I did sometimes in winter before, but since covid-19, I take it more regularly when it’s not summer. I got my booster-shot the first moment I could (last Saturday). I do ventilate my living room before my mother or father comes over and keep my distance, and do open a window once in a while when it’s really cold outside, and open it permanently if it’s not too cold. I do the same, but I must admit way less strict, with younger and healthier family and friends (I’m not perfect). With fairly good / ok weather I often make appointments outside instead of inside. I open a window in the classroom where I teach, even when students complain that it’s cold. I went to the gym when it was still open, for I do think practicing some sports is healthy.

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#28585 2 years ago

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Oaken

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Quoted from PinPatch:
Do you guys solely believe in the Vax? No treatments at all?
Serious question.
The Vax stastically reduces hospital transmission but does not slow the spread. Look at Australia over the last month. 90% plus population double vaxxed and massive amounts of new cases. Close to a 100k per day.
I know people who are double vaxxed, some are fine, some are struggling and a friend's uncle died.
Maybe someone's immune system prior to the Vax is more important than the Vax itself?

Serious answer no. All below has been mentioned at length previously and repeatedly, so I am going with bullet point mode.

With omicron, slowing spread is difficult, can’t be done via vaccination alone, but we CAN make a serious dent in serious cases.

Preventatives:

Masking (properly), minimize exposure/risk as best you can, quarantining when necessary etc… have helped slow the spread as well in the past.

With omicron you need to be boosted! 2 doses 6 months out doesn’t cut it. Previous infection 6 months out doesn’t cut it. Over 90% reduction in hospitalization of the 65+ crowd if boosted. This is a big deal.

Treatments:

Only one monoclonal, sotrovimab, currently works. Extremely limited supply.

One pill, molnupiravir, kinda works. Supply is improving.

One pill, Paxlovid, works very well. Extremely limited supply.

Everything plentiful has, at best, limited success.

Hospital treatments are ok but, I am assuming the goal is preventing a visit, so not going to go into that.

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#28586 2 years ago

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roffels

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Quoted from razorsedge:
... and the almost comical irony, how they don't even twigg on how the label really applies to them.

Ah, the Pee Wee Herman defense. Classic!

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#28588 2 years ago

KCI

KerryImming

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Quoted from PinPatch:
Do you guys solely believe in the Vax? No treatments at all?

Of course not. Doctors have done an outstanding job learning what works for Covid and that has greatly reduced fatalities. But obviously, the best way to survive Covid hospitalization is to not be hospitalized. Vaccinations have done a tremendous job reducing hospitalizations (for those that chose to get vaccinated). The monoclonal anti-bodies are by all counts miracle treatments, but in short supply now due to omicron.

Quoted from PinPatch:
The Vax stastically [SIC] reduces hospital transmission but does not slow the spread. Look at Australia over the last month. 90% plus population double vaxxed and massive amounts of new cases. Close to a 100k per day.

You can not conclude that it doesn't slow the spread from that data. How can you prove that there wouldn't be 200k cases per day if vaccination rate were lower? By the way, 90% is an outstanding vaccination rate. We'll never get near that in the U.S.

Quoted from PinPatch:
I know people who are double vaxxed, some are fine, some are struggling and a friend's uncle died.

Sorry to hear that. Unfortunately, breakthrough infection and breakthrough disease happen across all age groups. With omicron a booster really helps with breakthrough infection, but fully vaccinated is still enough to keep people out of the hospital. The data is not perfect, but there is a 5-10x lower chance of dying across all age groups if you are fully vaccinated.

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#28589 2 years ago

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CrazyLevi

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I believe in lots of other things besides the Vax. It’s a big world out there.

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#28590 2 years ago

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Daditude

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Quoted from CrazyLevi:
I believe in lots of other things besides the Vax. It’s a big world out there.

Aliens?

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#28591 2 years ago

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ForceFlow

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Quoted from PinPatch:
Do you guys solely believe in the Vax? No treatments at all?

Layered preventative measures are the best method of defense--the vaccine being the most effective tool by far. Then you have distancing, masks, vitamin supplements, air filtration, air flow, sneeze guards, staying away from crowds, and so on.

Treatments are for when preventative measures fail. Anti-viral drugs, antibody infusions, and other medications to help manage symptoms, and yes, ventilators when things get dire.

The general idea is to use all the preventative measures to help *prevent* infection, or at least reduce symptoms to the point where the virus isn't life threatening or serious enough to land you in the hospital. Yes, some people will inevitably end up in the hospital, but if you can minimize that, then the hospitals don't get overwhelmed, and they can actually provide a decent level of care for those who do end up there (on top of all the other non-virus related medical cases).
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#28592 2 years ago

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PinPatch

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Thanks for the responses.

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#28593 2 years ago

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rwmech5

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Our health minister is trying to make the vax mandatory for everyone across the board. Welcome to Chinada.

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#28594 2 years ago

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Oaken

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Quoted from Daditude:
Aliens?

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#28595 2 years ago

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RTR

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Not sure if anyone has mentioned Project N95. Non-profit that sells high quality, counterfeit checked masks at good prices.

If you have been on Amazon looking for N95, KN95 or whatever it can be confusing to figure out if the masks you buy are what they say they are.

https://shop.projectn95.org/masks

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#28596 2 years ago

GIR

girloveswaffles

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#28597 2 years ago

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Atari_Daze

Spd

Houston, TX

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ALIENS!!

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#28598 2 years ago

BJD

roffels

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Minneapolis, MN

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Quoted from RTR:
Not sure if anyone has mentioned Project N95. Non-profit that sells high quality, counterfeit checked masks at good prices.
If you have been on Amazon looking for N95, KN95 or whatever it can be confusing to figure out if the masks you buy are what they say they are.
https://shop.projectn95.org/masks

I've been watching this guy's channel for mask reviews - a lot of the kn95s and general PPE on Amazon is counterfeit. Beyond that, it's good to hear someone's opinion on fit AND smell of the masks.

https://www.youtube.com/c/ArmbrustUSA

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#28599 2 years ago

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Jamesays

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If my girlfriend tests positive for covid she has to wait 10 days per her company to come back to work ,no problem .All employees need to wear masks already.She has her own house so we dont live together.How long should we wait to see each other and say Kiss.We are both 3x vaxed she was barely affected at all thank goodness.Asking for a friend and obviously I will consult my Doctor.

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