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#28150 4 months ago
Quoted from ForceFlow:

I might be concerned about pushing the dosage that high. It far exceeds general recommendations.
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/vitamin-d-dosage

Thanks but it is with my doctors permission and direction. Your article is from 2017 and I can find articles too.
Just the same, I thank you for your concern.

#28151 4 months ago
Quoted from BrianJ1337:

There is plenty of clips and articles of everyone from the president to the CDC saying "get vaccinated you won't get sick or go to the hospital", "you won't spread covid if you're vaccinated" etc. Were they lying? Hard to say but they were dead wrong on almost all of it. Now you expect me to take a vaccine that was created with a variant in mind that was 10 variants ago? Do i need to get the first two + a booster to be up to speed or is it just the booster for me?.. Seriously listen to yourselves I'm not moving any goalposts I'm just recognizing when they're moved.

So post them then?

You seem to expect us to have all the answers to this Pandemic before the folks in charge say anything. That's not how leadership works.

#28152 4 months ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

All of this seems like a huge pain in the ass for this poor guy.
Why doesn't he just get vaccinated?

Jeez, according to the post it's super easy to find a better paying job with less hassle in the private sector. Why doesn't he just go do that?

#28153 4 months ago
Quoted from Oaken:

Making for some very expensive pee right there.

Vitamin D is fat soluble. Not going to pee it out. That's why it's important not to take too much...there is such a thing as Vit D poisoning.

#28154 4 months ago
Quoted from Mr68:

Your article is from 2017

I'm not sure that it matters--the general dosage recommendations still haven't changed in the intervening time.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/taking-too-much-vitamin-d-can-cloud-its-benefits-and-create-health-risks

Quoted from Mr68:

Thanks but it is with my doctors permission and direction.

Ok then

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#28155 4 months ago
Quoted from frisbez:

So post them then?
You seem to expect us to have all the answers to this Pandemic before the folks in charge say anything. That's not how leadership works.

Here's a nice compilation - https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1474946202714079236

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#28156 4 months ago

Fine you guys have browbeaten me and shamed me into it…got my booster today.

Pointless? Maybe. Who cares. It took 5 minutes and was free.

Worth sacrificing my freedom to get my mom and babe off my back!!

I am planning to go to MagFest (if it’s not
Canceled) in a couple weeks and that place is always crawling with disease so figured it wouldn’t hurt.

#28157 4 months ago
Quoted from RTR:

Jeez, according to the post it's super easy to find a better paying job with less hassle in the private sector. Why doesn't he just go do that?

Private sector pays better and is in general a better work environment. However, some crazy folks like me (and the subject of the initial post) are crazy patriotic folks who find our work beneficial to the nation as a whole and rewarding.

#28158 4 months ago
Quoted from BrianJ1337:

There is plenty of clips and articles of everyone from the president to the CDC saying "get vaccinated you won't get sick or go to the hospital", "you won't spread covid if you're vaccinated" etc. Were they lying? Hard to say but they were dead wrong on almost all of it. Now you expect me to take a vaccine that was created with a variant in mind that was 10 variants ago? Do i need to get the first two + a booster to be up to speed or is it just the booster for me?.. Seriously listen to yourselves I'm not moving any goalposts I'm just recognizing when they're moved.

We could spend all day refuting the partially true and blatantly false stories you use to support your arguments, but the point of the Gish Gallop is to overwhelm with disinformation. When one gets knocked down, don't bother to argue it - just throw out 5 more.

Just for kicks - here is an article with the real numbers behind the Fox News link (conveniently referenced as "a source" by Fox but not listed) on HCWs in NY that were fired - more than half the number quoted worked in home healthcare, many more worked in SNFs:

https://www.lohud.com/story/news/coronavirus/2021/10/14/how-many-health-workers-lost-jobs-due-ny-vaccine-mandate/8449413002/

The real problem for hospital systems is not losing 2% of their workforce (a number that is probably far less than their natural turnover rate) - it is the XX% increase in hospital admissions for covid patients - the majority of which are not vaccinated.

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#28159 4 months ago

Well, there's your problem right there. I post something from Scott Gottlieb, you post from Mike Cernovich.

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#28162 4 months ago
Quoted from frisbez:

Vitamin D is fat soluble. Not going to pee it out. That's why it's important not to take too much...there is such a thing as Vit D poisoning.

Thank you for the correction. Mixed the vitamins up in my head.

#28163 4 months ago
Quoted from hAbO:

LOL - You're correct. He said to inject it.
"And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning?"

It states clearly in your quote that he was asking a question to a Dr standing next to him... not telling us to drink it or inject it...

#28164 4 months ago

So is it just dawning on some of you that somebody joining a specialized hobby forum 1 year into a pandemic and posting mostly in the 'Coronavirus containment thread' might just be here for the lulz or the trolling?

I called the MGM Vegas sportsbook and they are offering -200 his name is even Brian and -600 he can name all the members of Led Zeppelin

#28166 4 months ago

A reference to an alt right social media personalities twitter account? Sounds like legit source for misinformation.

#28168 4 months ago
Quoted from BrianJ1337:

Pfizer’s CEO just a few months ago. 100%!
The trials were unmasked 3 months into it. The data was never properly analyzed when it comes to vaccine approvals. We can thank Operation warp speed for that.
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I'll give you this, a lot of the spin and deflect/change topic tactics you employ in this thread would make even Bagdad Bob proud.

#28169 4 months ago

About vaccine mandates trampling on your rights.

http://www.floridahealth.gov/programs-and-services/immunization/children-and-adolescents/school-immunization-requirements/index.html

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https://www.wakullaschooldistrict.org/_theme/files/Resources/Parent/20-21-schoolentry-eng.pdf

Of course, it is not called a mandate for your child. They are referred to as "requirements".

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You can google the difference between requirement vs. mandate. Personally, I see little distinction.

https://www.askdifference.com/required-vs-mandate/

#28170 4 months ago
Quoted from RTR:

Well, there's your problem right there. I post something from Scott Gottlieb, you post from Mike Cernovich.
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You post something from a member of the board of directors of Pfizer, and somehow, that is considered independent and trustworthy?

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#28171 4 months ago
Quoted from BrianJ1337:

Also how many people you know that actually wear an N95? I never see them (I wasn’t even allowed on the plane with mine!) not to mention most available are the respirator style which only filters on the intake not the breath out so again you’re not saving anyone aside from yourself even if you do wear one. Though Razer has a pretty cool one that filters both in and out now which is neat.

Did your n95 have an exhaust valve?

I get the rationale of companies against the valve, but it's bad logic. The n95s with valves leak about as much air as a cloth or fake surgical mask, and if the n95 prevents you from catching covid, you're not going to pass it on.

#28172 4 months ago
Quoted from RonSS:

You post something from a member of the board of directors of Pfizer, and somehow, that is considered independent and trustworthy? [quoted image]

I'll take Gottlieb over Cernovich on Covid advice 24/7. He has given very solid advice throughout the pandemic and is an actual expert. His presence on Pfizer's board doesn't bother me. He is quick to let people know about it.

#28173 4 months ago
Quoted from RonSS:

You post something from a member of the board of directors of Pfizer, and somehow, that is considered independent and trustworthy? [quoted image]

The post also included a graph that shows unvaccinated people are 17x more likely to wind up hospitalized for Covid than vaccinated people. In case you didn't notice.

17x less likely to wind up hospitalized is pretty impressive. Even more impressive - The vaccinated group likely includes the majority of high risk individuals.

#28174 4 months ago

To quote my 17 year old nephew who just traveled in Florida, "Florida is like California, but alot less cool."

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#28175 4 months ago
Quoted from cosmokramer:

It states clearly in your quote that he was asking a question to a Dr standing next to him... not telling us to drink it or inject it...

WHat's the difference?!

Only a complete moron would ask a doctor if injecting bleach into the body is a good idea. There's a reason the entire world was horrified and aghast that this question was asked, and it's not because the quote was misrepresented in any way.

Like, if I said in - in all seriousness - "Hey Cosmo, do you think me banging my head against this brick wall would help me out with this cold I have?" would you think me any less of of a moron than if I said "Hey Cosmo, bang your head against the wall, it'll fix your cold!"

Kinda the same thing.

Long story short, this is why science is important. This is why listening to people who have lifetime of public service in trying to defend the public health is important. This is why ignoring conspiracy theorists and youtube links from randos during a public health crisis is a good idea, even if it's less entertaining sometimes than listening to people who have no idea what they are talking about.

#28177 4 months ago
Quoted from RTR:

I'll take Gottlieb over Cernovich on Covid advice 24/7. He has given very solid advice throughout the pandemic and is an actual expert. His presence on Pfizer's board doesn't bother me. He is quick to let people know about it.

I'd prefer someone without shareholders, but that's just silly talk I guess.

#28178 4 months ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Fine you guys have browbeaten me and shamed me into it…got my booster today.
Pointless? Maybe. Who cares. It took 5 minutes and was free.
Worth sacrificing my freedom to get my mom and babe off my back!!
I am planning to go to MagFest (if it’s not
Canceled) in a couple weeks and that place is always crawling with disease so figured it wouldn’t hurt.

But not sacrificing your freedom to attend an indoor, nonessential, superspreader event?

#28179 4 months ago
Quoted from roffels:

Did your n95 have an exhaust valve?
I get the rationale of companies against the valve, but it's bad logic. The n95s with valves leak about as much air as a cloth or fake surgical mask, and if the n95 prevents you from catching covid, you're not going to pass it on.

This is wrong. A valve doesn't protect anyone else, it defeats half the purpose of wearing a mask. My partner with cystic fibrosis rages every time she see's someone with these masks and how they don't understand the science and data and to the rest of us are essentially unmasked.

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#28182 4 months ago
Quoted from BrianJ1337:

Leaky vs. Perfect Vaccines has been a debate well before covid ever came along. Our childhood vaccines are what is considered "perfect vaccines", mRNA therapy is a leaky vaccine. - https://www.healthline.com/health-news/leaky-vaccines-can-produce-stronger-versions-of-viruses-072715
"These less-than-perfect vaccines create a “leaky” barrier against the virus. Vaccinated individuals may get sick but have less severe symptoms, but the virus survives long enough to transmit to others, which allows it to survive and spread throughout a population."
There's plenty of articles on leaky vs perfect vaccines before 2019 you can find.
In the beginning they were marketing these therapies as "perfect vaccines"
"You won't get hospitalized or die if you get it"
"you won't have to wear a mask"
"you can resume normal activities without worrying about infecting others"
Then it was "breakthrough infections are rare!"..

All I know is that everyone I personally know that has had a breakthrough case being fully vaccinated + boosted had mild symptoms and was able to recover at home. The two people I know that were not vaccinated are in their mid 30's and mid 40's...both ended up in the hospital. I'll take my chances with the vaccine.

#28183 4 months ago
Quoted from Trogdor:

But not sacrificing your freedom to attend an indoor, nonessential, superspreader event?

Well, I mean, I haven’t been telling anybody not
To go to crowded events in a year. We gotta live our lives, right? Magfest is certainly a potential superspreader. They’ve got a vaccine and mask mandate in place so that’s about the best you can hope for, and we’ll just hope foe the best.

At this point I’m certainly not afraid of getting covid (I had it over the summer), and I really want to go to Magfest, so that’s kind of where it’s at. We’ve been at this almost 2 years and at this point I’m pretty used to it.

I don’t have any family visits - or
Even going to the office, or doing anything else really- planned in the month following magfest, so if I get sick I’ll just lock down somewhere for the 5 days. Hey I did 10 I can do 5 in my sleep.

Yay CDC!!

#28184 4 months ago
Quoted from RonSS:

I'd prefer someone without shareholders, but that's just silly talk I guess.

Five off the top of my head:

1) Eric Topol
2) Peter Hotez
3) Micheal Mina
4) John Burn-Murdoch and the Financial Times crew
5) Eric Feigl-Ding (if you want more alarmist, but still science based)

Don’t let that evil corp thing cloud your judgement. Gottlieb is a pretty straight shooter.

But that pizza gater…I struggle to create an analogy that is both forum appropriate and adequate to convey how untrustworthy cernovich is to provide advice or insight about anything, especially Covid.

#28185 4 months ago
Quoted from Oaken:

Five off the top of my head:
1) Eric Topol
2) Peter Hotez
3) Micheal Mina
4) John Burn-Murdoch and the Financial Times crew
5) Eric Feigl-Ding (if you want more alarmist, but still science based)
Don’t let that evil corp thing cloud your judgement. Gottlieb is a pretty straight shooter.
But that pizza gater…I struggle to create an analogy that is both forum appropriate and adequate to convey how untrustworthy cernovich is to provide advice or insight about anything, especially Covid.

Evil corp thing...
I suppose only Wall Street can save Wall Street's mess?

Conflict of interest involving billions of dollars actually does tend to cloud my judgment. I'm sorry, but this an obstacle I can't look past.

Thank you for the list. I wasn't actually asking for people I could trust but certainly appreciate the gesture.

#28186 4 months ago
Quoted from RonSS:

I'd prefer someone without shareholders, but that's just silly talk I guess.

Then you wind up with someone like Mike the pillow guy.

#28187 4 months ago
Quoted from RTR:

The post also included a graph that shows unvaccinated people are 17x more likely to wind up hospitalized for Covid than vaccinated people. In case you didn't notice.
17x less likely to wind up hospitalized is pretty impressive. Even more impressive - The vaccinated group likely includes the majority of high risk individuals.

My reply wasn't arguing for or against your posted graph. It was directed at possible conflict of interest involving billions of dollars.

#28188 4 months ago
Quoted from RonSS:

I'd prefer someone without shareholders, but that's just silly talk I guess.

I prefer to read the graph that shows vaccines make a person 17x less likely to be hospitalized from Covid than an unvaccinated person. The vaccine results don’t have a board seat anywhere - they are just numbers.

Gottlieb has good info, but I follow several other experts, including some on Oakens list. I try to pick across a wide spectrum, but they all need to be credible. Conspiracy monger’s don’t make my list.

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#28189 4 months ago

A ponderable for 2022…

When Abraham Lincoln was 33 years old, he gave a speech inside a Presbyterian church to a temperance society. His message: The assembled ought to be nicer to drinkers and sellers of alcohol, rather than shunning them, or denouncing them as moral pestilences. Indeed, they ought to use “kindly persuasion,” even if a man’s drunkenness had caused misery to his wife, or left his children hungry and naked with want.

For people are never less likely to change, to convert to new ways of thinking or acting, than when it means joining the ranks of their denouncers.

To expect otherwise, “to have expected them not to meet denunciation with denunciation ... and anathema with anathema, was to expect a reversal of human nature,” Lincoln explained. “If you would win a man to your cause, first convince him that you are his sincere friend. Therein is a drop of honey that catches his heart, which, say what he will, is the great highroad to his reason, and when once gained, you will find but little trouble in convincing his judgment of the justice of your cause.”

However, Lincoln cautioned, dictate to a man’s judgment, command his action, or mark him to be despised, “and he will retreat within himself, close all the avenues to his head and his heart. And even though your cause be naked truth itself, transformed to the heaviest lance, harder than steel, and sharper than steel can be made, and though you throw it with more than Herculean force and precision, you shall be no more be able to pierce him, than to penetrate the hard shell of a tortoise with a rye straw.”

#28190 4 months ago
Quoted from nwpinball:

This is wrong. A valve doesn't protect anyone else, it defeats half the purpose of wearing a mask. My partner with cystic fibrosis rages every time she see's someone with these masks and how they don't understand the science and data and to the rest of us are essentially unmasked.

It doesn't defeat the purpose of a mask if it prevents you from getting sick, after all, someone who isn't sick isn't going to pass on the illness. And cloth masks are incredibly leaky, so I'm not sure what you're suggesting is wrong with my statement. The CDC and NIOSH disagrees with you and your partner. Personally I'd rather be in a room with people with valved n95s than with cloth masks. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/respirator-use-faq.html

"Yes, an N95 filtering facepiece respirator will protect you and provide source control to protect others. A NIOSH-approved N95 filtering facepiece respirator with an exhalation valve offers the same protection to the wearer as one that does not have a valve. As source control, findings from NIOSH research suggest that, even without covering the valve, N95 respirators with exhalation valves provide the same or better source control than surgical masks, procedure masks, cloth masks, or fabric coverings. In general, individuals wearing NIOSH-approved N95s with an exhalation valve should not be asked to use one without an exhalation valve or to cover it with a face covering or mask. However, NIOSH-approved N95 respirators with an exhalation valve are not fluid resistant. Therefore, in situations where a fluid resistant respirator is indicated (e.g., in surgical settings), individuals should wear a surgical N95 or, if a surgical N95 is not available, cover their respirator with a surgical mask or a face shield. Be careful not to compromise the fit of the respirator when placing a facemask over the respirator."

#28192 4 months ago

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/10/commentary-what-can-masks-do-part-1-science-behind-covid-19-protection

A good chart to help folks understand mask efficacy - if you're concerned about catching or spreading COVID, consider upgrading your masks to n95s. If one person has covid and and all parties are wearing only cloth masks, it would only take 26 minutes of shared air to infect the other person. If all people are wearing n95s, the time it would take to infect increases exponentially.

Please note, this study was done in earlier covid waves.

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#28193 4 months ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Fine you guys have browbeaten me and shamed me into it…got my booster today.
Pointless? Maybe. Who cares. It took 5 minutes and was free.
Worth sacrificing my freedom to get my mom and babe off my back!!
I am planning to go to MagFest (if it’s not
Canceled) in a couple weeks and that place is always crawling with disease so figured it wouldn’t hurt.

You are more adventuresome than I, Levi. I am 8 days into this Covid crap. Fortunately, I'm not dead. All I have been able to do is stay in bed. I have no strength or stamina to do much else. Only yesterday did the chills finally break. It has wasted 8 days of my schedule and I am still not 100%. I could not whip my way out of a wet paper bag.

I was thinking about going to TPF in March. Not anymore. I'm done. I am not interested in congregating where where there will 100s of people with out masks and a good percent of them will probably not be vaccinated, either.

Until this covid shit has rode off into the sunset, I'm done. I'm staying home. The economy will have to survive with out me.

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#28194 4 months ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Well, I mean, I haven’t been telling anybody not
To go to crowded events in a year. We gotta live our lives, right? Magfest is certainly a potential superspreader. They’ve got a vaccine and mask mandate in place so that’s about the best you can hope for, and we’ll just hope foe the best.
At this point I’m certainly not afraid of getting covid (I had it over the summer), and I really want to go to Magfest, so that’s kind of where it’s at. We’ve been at this almost 2 years and at this point I’m pretty used to it.
I don’t have any family visits - or
Even going to the office, or doing anything else really- planned in the month following magfest, so if I get sick I’ll just lock down somewhere for the 5 days. Hey I did 10 I can do 5 in my sleep.
Yay CDC!!

Magfest is ok but the NYC Marathon is not…..

#28195 4 months ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

Then you wind up with someone like Mike the pillow guy.

A little off topic. I did a service call for a close relative of Mike Lindel. They have a Flash that could pass for huo.

#28197 4 months ago
Quoted from RonSS:

Evil corp thing...
I suppose only Wall Street can save Wall Street's mess?
Conflict of interest involving billions of dollars actually does tend to cloud my judgment. I'm sorry, but this an obstacle I can't look past.
Thank you for the list. I wasn't actually asking for people I could trust but certainly appreciate the gesture.

Started researching the list and the first one definitely seems to have a history of “conflict of interest”.

https://hcrenewal.blogspot.com/2005/12/was-topol-fired-for-investigating.html?m=1

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#28198 4 months ago

So it’s a therapy then not a “vaccine” as we used to know it since it doesn’t actually stop the spread.
I’ve said it before in this thread a few times the people I know to have gotten the sickest from covid were all unvaccinated but I know of two vaccine injuries as well (stroke and myocarditis) and a bunch of “breakthrough cases”. I also know a ton of unvaccinated who got it and it was just a mild cold.

My entire argument from day one here is to stop the discrimination when it’s based on nothing more than a collectivist belief that vaccinated can’t spread it and are somehow smarter or better than those that choose to remain unvaccinated. I’ve seen people advocating for losing their jobs, not getting medical treatment etc.

Could I apply that logic to any one of you that are overweight? I’m not fat, I work out and I’m healthy. How stupid or lazy do you have to be to be fat these days when we know how unhealthy it is?

Should we advocate for overweight people to not get medical treatment? They’re the ones who are most susceptible to severe infection from covid. Maybe lose their jobs since they don’t value life like I do?

Nope, it’s America. You can eat or smoke yourself to death that’s your choice. When it comes to this pandemic your choice in getting vaccinated is a choice for you, you’re not saving anyone else but yourself since it’s a leaky vaccine.

I think if you’re concerned with covid you should get the vaccine. I’ve said it a few times now, just don’t think you’re saving America by giving up your rights, advocating for authoritarianism and taking an experimental therapy while pretending you have some moral high ground over those that choose not to participate.

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