Quoted from BrianJ1337:

Leaky vs. Perfect Vaccines has been a debate well before covid ever came along. Our childhood vaccines are what is considered "perfect vaccines", mRNA therapy is a leaky vaccine. - https://www.healthline.com/health-news/leaky-vaccines-can-produce-stronger-versions-of-viruses-072715
"These less-than-perfect vaccines create a “leaky” barrier against the virus. Vaccinated individuals may get sick but have less severe symptoms, but the virus survives long enough to transmit to others, which allows it to survive and spread throughout a population."
There's plenty of articles on leaky vs perfect vaccines before 2019 you can find.
In the beginning they were marketing these therapies as "perfect vaccines"
"You won't get hospitalized or die if you get it"
"you won't have to wear a mask"
"you can resume normal activities without worrying about infecting others"
Then it was "breakthrough infections are rare!"..

Quoted from jfh:

I give up. You are unreachable. Stay safe.

Quoted from Mikala:

I believe you have posted this more than once, so let’s talk about the science deniers.
I caught Covid back in July from my vaccinated wife. (Her vaccine obviously didn’t work, when “THEY” told us it would.) My only symptom was a fever that lasted 10 days. I’ll give credit to the CDC on the 10 day recommended quarantine. It makes sense because my fever lasted exactly 10 days.
Now the science.
The SCIENTIST in Israel claim I am 27x more protected from Covid than a vaccinated person.
The SCIENTIST at Pfizer claim I am 7x more protected from Covid than a vaccinated person and don’t recommend that you take the jab if you have natural immunity. In all fairness, they recommend you have an antibody test 7-9 months later, then consider a jab.
My wife and I both believe that we had the new variant the first week of December. We both had colds that lasted about 7 days after our family Thanksgiving. More than half of the people in attendance had the same symptoms that week.
So I ask you, with the scientific proof I provided above, who are the science deniers? The problem is that all of you vaxer’s only get seem to get your information from one source, and that is continually obvious from the “fact” articles you post. It is truly dumbfounded how many of you actually believe the stoke and fear put into you by CNN, MSNBC and the NYT. OBTW, most of us do not subscribe to the New York Times, so stop posting propaganda that we can’t read.
Lastly, and most importantly, I have been reading thru this thread since August, and I don’t believe the topic of natural immunity has ever been brought up. I am, like millions others in this country, naturally immune.

Quoted from BrianJ1337:

"New York Hospital FIRES 1,400 Unvaccinated Nurses, Sends Singing Nurses To White House"

Quoted from BrianJ1337:

apparently just scare them over a virus with a 99.6% survival rate.

Quoted from JoeJet:

Its interesting how not many people that hate the politics of Florida never mention age when discussing Florida vs. other states.

Quoted from Oaken:

“Surely it’s just because Florida has more elderly than everyone else”
Ok, let’s roll the tape:
https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/covid-19-deaths-among-older-adults-during-the-delta-surge-were-higher-in-states-with-lower-vaccination-rates/
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Quoted from JoeJet:

CDC just cut the quarantine in half. This thing is endemic and great news this new variant is not as bad. Hopefully once we get through these next few weeks we will really turn the corner.

Quoted from BrianJ1337:

American Liberty and individualism is what we should be fighting for not Pharma companies to mass vax the planet.
You may not see it but I'm fighting for you and your rights every day friend.

Quoted from BrianJ1337:

The hospitals are overwhelmed or understaffed for firing unvaccinated healthcare workers?
Sure are a lot of states firing nurses and then asking the government for staffing assistance 2 months later.. Weird.
"New York Hospital FIRES 1,400 Unvaccinated Nurses, Sends Singing Nurses To White House"
"NYC Faces Lowest Nursing Staff Numbers in Almost 2 Years, 1 in 60 Tests Positive for Virus"
"Samaritan Health requesting nursing assistance from National Guard"
"New York moves to address nursing shortage"
It's almost like if you fire thousands of people from the janitors to nurses and doctors for not taking a vaccine that you may find your hospitals getting overwhelmed one would think no?

Quoted from Mr68:

Day three and I'll see how it goes

Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Wait, I'm still trying to figure out if Florida is better than New York.
Can someone help me settle this? It's the most important thing in the world.

Quoted from Oaken:

1400 unvaccinated employees. Not nurses. Do you think all 76,000 of their employees are nurses?
I mean, yes I agree that this hasn’t helped, but you take a kernel of truth and slather it in so much baloney all the time. It is quite frustrating.
Here, the grand total amongst the doctors and nurses fired was under 1%. A LOT more than that have quit due to burnout. Even if they hadn’t, adding back less than 1% of the doctors and nurses would not have made a sufficient dent in our current hospitalization issues.
To put it another way, we have had three fed teams in the state. Those are a drop in the bucket to what we need, and approximate the number of fired nurses and doctors.
Burnout and abuse is a FAR bigger problem. Lately especially the abuse. We have had family friends who need to be escorted to their cars by security because of harassment in the parking lot. My wife now has to wear a panic button at all times while at work because of threats.

Quoted from DaveH:

Just because you quote a Right Wing website (National file), which by the way, is a blog, not a news site, doesn’t mean you were accurate.
It wasn’t 1400 nurses, it was 1400 employees. That represents less than 2% of their workforce. So it’s a 98.2% survival of employment rate.

Normally you seem fine with numbers in the upper 90s. So I’d assume this was no big deal to you.

Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Wait, I'm still trying to figure out if Florida is better than New York.
Can someone help me settle this? It's the most important thing in the world.

Quoted from CrazyLevi:

I'm still trying to figure out if Florida is better than New York

Quoted from Friengineer:

What's new York got? Deep dish pizza, statue of liberty, Niagra falls. Florida's got Disney, snakes, beaches, freedom.

Quoted from DaveH:

New York has Broadway. Florida has Disney World. Sorry, but it’s basically a tie. NYC had the lead… but then Reciprocal closed.

Quoted from Friengineer:

What's new York got? Deep dish pizza, statue of liberty, Niagra falls. Florida's got Disney, snakes, beaches, freedom.

Quoted from Friengineer:

Deep dish pizza

Quoted from BrianJ1337:

“ More than 30,000 health care workers are out of jobs in New York alone due to vaccine mandates”
https://www.foxnews.com/us/terminated-health-care-workers-joe-biden-vaccine-mandates-national-guard.amp
It’s actually a lot worse than just 1,400. That was just one hospital group and the first result on my search.

Quoted from Friengineer:

What's new York got? Deep dish pizza,

Quoted from KerryImming:

NY has folding pizza.

Quoted from BrianJ1337:

In the beginning they were marketing these therapies as "perfect vaccines"

"You won't get hospitalized or die if you get it"
"you won't have to wear a mask"
"you can resume normal activities without worrying about infecting others"

Then it was "breakthrough infections are rare!"..

Quoted from KerryImming:

FFS, who are you arguing with, yourself?

Quoted from Tuukka:

Nobody has been forced to take the vaccination. It is always the individuals right to decide whether to take it or not. So what are you fighting for?
What comes to the vaccine efficacy, I was diagnosed with a colon cancer ten years ago. Doctor told me that surgery has 80% possibility to remove it once and for all. Did I refuse the operation because it was not 100% ? No, and that's why I am still writing this.
Sure, the vaccine is "leaky" and the truth is many vaccinated people get hospitalized, intensive care or even die. But compared to numbers of non-vaccinated in same situations, it is very clear that the vaccines work, and they work well.
Also it is true that vaccinated people can spread covid. But their viral load is much smaller than the unvaccinated so the spread is lesser, especially with proper (FFP2/N95) masks.
It is sad that the non vaccinated people are usually the ones that also refuse wearing masks, and the vaccinated mask wearing majority has to suffer because of rules, that are needed because of the small but loud minority.

Quoted from cottonm4:

It’s not the flu. I’m 6 days in with Covid. All I can muster the strength to do is get up to use the toilet and microwave water make hot tea. Or make another alka-seltzer to make the constant chills go away.
All I do is curl up in fetal position, pull the covers over my head and cacoon.
It is not painful. But I am on my butt with no stamina. I have been able to drive myself to the VA but afterwords all I feel like doing is coming home and cocoon.
I have no appetite and have lost 4 lbs.
When I see on TV that airlines are cancelling flights in droves due to staff shortages, I get it. I’m no pilot but I have spent some time in the cockpit and understand there is no way a pilot could do his job with this stuff raking his body.
I have no trouble with breathing but my lungs are still full of this stuff.
Tomorrow I will go to VA and get an IV and get two drugs IV’d in. They are Casirivimab and Imdevimab ( perhaps Doc Gizzard is familiar with them).
Am I glad I am vaccinated? I’ll let you all figure that for yourself.
For the record, I am 70, not obese, don’t smoke and use little alcohol. I am in as good health as 70 yo can be.
Now I am back under the covers.

Quoted from KerryImming:

FFS, who are you arguing with, yourself?
Nobody is denying any of this. It's also 18 months old. Original mRNA vaccines were ~95% effective at blocking infections IN THE TRIALS. Variants changed the game. It's only by luck that vaccines are still keeping most people out of the hospital and morgue. If the vaccines weren't working at all there would be no room in the hospitals for all the unvaccinated.

Quoted from BrianJ1337:

Pfizer’s CEO just a few months ago. 100%!
The trials were unmasked 3 months into it. The data was never properly analyzed when it comes to vaccine approvals. We can thank Operation warp speed for that.
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Quoted from BrianJ1337:

The data was never properly analyzed when it comes to vaccine approvals.

Quoted from SantaEatsCheese:

People are absolutely being forced and coerced to take the vaccination.
I would never enforce it. I see the real world consequences of this outside of the medical field. Shame.

Quoted from SantaEatsCheese:

People are absolutely being forced and coerced to take the vaccination.
I have a note from HR that one of my employees is not vaccinated, and as such is required to have a negative COVID test less than 3 days old at all times to be present on government property (where he works). I work in an industry that cannot and never will be remote. So now twice a week he has to get a brain swab in order to stay employed and feed his family. On top of this, he has to pay for the tests, which are not cheap.
I drove by a drive through testing center on the way to work this morning as I always do... There were over 200 cars in line... So now he must waste 8 hours of his week every week waiting in line, pay an outrageous sum for testing... and then still wear a mask to work for a vaccine that will not protect others.
This is the price of working and doing business with the federal government. And you know what, it is raising the price to do business with the government. Recruiting is harder than ever and people are leaving their work to support the private sector where the government has less ability to enforce this garbage. This results in lower quality workers demanding higher pay, ultimately providing an inferior product to the tax payer all to make some do gooder feel better.
I have 2 vaccine shots, but it was by choice. I would encourage you to get a shot. I would never enforce it. I see the real world consequences of this outside of the medical field. Shame.

Quoted from SantaEatsCheese:

People are absolutely being forced and coerced to take the vaccination.
I have a note from HR that one of my employees is not vaccinated, and as such is required to have a negative COVID test less than 3 days old at all times to be present on government property (where he works). I work in an industry that cannot and never will be remote. So now twice a week he has to get a brain swab in order to stay employed and feed his family. On top of this, he has to pay for the tests, which are not cheap.
I drove by a drive through testing center on the way to work this morning as I always do... There were over 200 cars in line... So now he must waste 8 hours of his week every week waiting in line, pay an outrageous sum for testing... and then still wear a mask to work for a vaccine that will not protect others.
This is the price of working and doing business with the federal government. And you know what, it is raising the price to do business with the government. Recruiting is harder than ever and people are leaving their work to support the private sector where the government has less ability to enforce this garbage. This results in lower quality workers demanding higher pay, ultimately providing an inferior product to the tax payer all to make some do gooder feel better.
I have 2 vaccine shots, but it was by choice. I would encourage you to get a shot. I would never enforce it. I see the real world consequences of this outside of the medical field. Shame.

Quoted from cottonm4:

Then we were told to drink bleach

Quoted from frisbez:

None of what you wrote depicts force or coercion. Dude has choices. He makes his choice and deals with the consequences. Suck it up buttercup.

Quoted from cosmokramer:

Lol, still trying to spread this falsity again...shame in you

Quoted from DaveH:

New York has Broadway. Florida has Disney World. Sorry, but it’s basically a tie. NYC had the lead… but then Reciprocal closed.

Quoted from hAbO:

Asking someone to get the Covid19 vaccine is the same as asking people not to smoke inside your work, doctors office or restaurant. You can similarly be fined or fired for doing so. Its a "public health" emergency which is very very different than "personal health" issue.
People have to understand its WE not ME with this.

Quoted from frisbez:

None of what you wrote depicts force or coercion. Dude has choices. He makes his choice and deals with the consequences. Suck it up buttercup.

Quoted from CrazyLevi:

All of this seems like a huge pain in the ass for this poor guy.
Why doesn't he just get vaccinated?

Quoted from wolfemaaan:

Here’s what a clear copy looks like.

Quoted from cosmokramer:

Lol, still trying to spread this falsity again...shame in you

Quoted from Friengineer:

Get well friend! Grab some vitamin d tablets! Most people are deficient and this time of year it's way worse. Zinc works well too. Wishing you a speedy recovery.

Quoted from BrianJ1337:

Pfizer’s CEO just a few months ago. 100%!

Quoted from ForceFlow:

April was a lifetime ago...and two major variant mutations ago.

Oh? We're back to this again?

Quoted from Mr68:

Thanks. My normal dosage of vitamin D is 10,000 IU each day, now bumped up to 50,000 IU for the next three days. Also 50 mg of Zinc along with 500 mg Quercetin. I'll get there.

Quoted from ForceFlow:

April was a lifetime ago...and two major variant mutations ago.

Oh? We're back to this again?

Quoted from Mr68:

Thanks. My normal dosage of vitamin D is 10,000 IU each day, now bumped up to 50,000 IU for the next three days. Also 50 mg of Zinc along with 500 mg Quercetin. I'll get there.

Quoted from Oaken:

And also that particular tweet was in reference to a small study in SA specifically looking at the efficacy of the vaccine against a new variant down there at the time. The intent was to say “hey our vaccine works against this new variant as well with no drop off”.
That variant has subsequently died off as it couldn’t compete against the dominant strains.
So yeah, taking an old statement out of context, again.