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Over 5 million children ages 5 to 11 are now vaccinated against COVID-19 and there have been 0 cases of myocarditis.

Like China, if you don't like the numbers, you bury them.

https://gizmodo.com/missouri-ditches-covid-19-measures-after-court-ruling-1848202938

Missouri Ditches Covid-19 Measures After Court Ruling, Cease-And-Desist from Attorney General
Attorney general Eric Schmitt threatened local health departments and school districts with legal action if they didn't play ball.

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So In other words…it’s another weekday.

Ive written too many posts and deleted.

Lets try this one.

When you Post, sometimes you are speaking for yourself, your views, masks at Marathons for YOU.
Thats fine. We want to hear this. YOU are valued here as is YOUR opinion.

When people disagree with your Opinion, you start using words and stats about "We", "US", and "They",
and the perspective changes that you are now speaking for EVERYONE.

We CAN discuss 100% vs 99%. We CAN discuss Posted sourced stories, and Agree, and disagree.
But when you flip it so YOU are speaking for everyone, it Fails.

This back and forth, between what is "RIGHT FOR YOU PERSONALLY" should Not be confused with
"You are Right for Everyone, and they need to Admit your view was the "Global Universal Cosmic source of 100% Truth"

Thats the issue. You dont need to care about others....Covid Workers, others who do live in fear, or arent healthy.
But it doesnt mean they dont matter, and if everyone thought exactly as you did, we might see a Health Care system Collapse. Maybe Not. But we Do see The effect of its spread in Everyones Wallet, Family, work, regardless of view.

I Dont live in fear, BUT I do live in respect of others, and How THEY see it.

Misinformation is the Only enemy, other than the virus.

But so you arent angry with me. Thanks for running, sharing, and bringing the Big Bucks to O-town, to help keep
the economy here rolling.
I can see it in my Property Tax Bill.

Peace.

Art

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First person dies.

https://www.aol.com/news/britain-says-omicron-spreading-phenomenal-072142584-144629957.html

I have some better questions for you.

How do you know if YOUR doctor was an "A" student or if your doc is a squeaker, aka quack.

How do you know?

How do/did you choose the doctor you are seeing?

What questions do you ask your doctor before you make the decision to go see him/her?

Do you put any more thought to how you choose your doctor then you would if you were picking a mechanic for your car?

How do you decide if your doc knows his shit or if he has been bullshitting his way through life?

Do you ask for his CVs? I bet you don't.

His singular focus on the percent chances of his own death says everything you need to know about his level of consideration and risk analysis for a deadly airborne virus that has the ability the spread exponentially. We are all so happy for him that none of his loved ones have been killed or harmed by the virus and that he has nothing to worry about. Yay!!! Good for you!! I'm so glad and happy for you and everyone you come in contact with!!! If only everybody was you, this could have all been avoided! Why didn't anyone think of that!? Very smart!!

What do they call the person who graduated lowest in class from med school. . .

DOCTOR.

Re: bad doctors - I likely had Covid early March of 2020. The whole experience was pretty illuminating.

I had a cough that just wouldn't go away. It was mild for about a week, but took a turn for the worst. I had chills, couldn't breathe well at night. It didn't register until I was unable to sleep, and passed out vomiting a couple times that I needed medical attention. Just the flu, right? I was young and healthy, and pretty ignorant on when to seek medical attention.

The day started with a visit to a walk-in clinic. The doctor there was incredibly considerate and professional - immediately handed me a mask. She gave me just about every test their clinic was equipped to, tested negative for the flu, high heart rate, low-blood oxygen level (90%) and told me I need to get to urgent care, stat. I walk everywhere, she expressed concern, saying usually they have people with low oxygen levels driven in a ambulance, but I was stubborn and walked the mile to the hospital. Before I left, I asked if I should return to work, and she said "under no circumstances should you return to work with any of these symptoms" and wrote me a letter.

This turned into a 12-hour hospital visit. Urgent care also threw a bunch of tests at me, insisted I might have asthma (I don't), I didn't respond to their nebulizer. Eventually I was told I have to go to the ER and don't have a choice (is this true? It was all very quick and I already felt like trash)

Police cleared the hallways, and escorted me to isolation. I sat there, alone, for a few hours without anyone really telling me what was going on. Got hooked up to IVs, all sorts of sensors. Eventually a doctor came in, said "we talked to the department of health, there's no reported COVID where you traveled so we don't think it's that and we're not going to test you for it" - like, come on, if you're not testing for it, how would you know if it's there or not? But after more inconclusive tests, hours on IVs, and more nebulizer treatments, my heart rate started to get better and they were ready to release me. I asked the main doctor if he thought I could go to work the next day, and his answer was "Well, as long as they don't have any policy about working with a cough, I don't see why not." and was also informed I have a "virus". Thanks doc. Great advice, advise me to go into work during a pandemic when I have symptoms of the virus that you didn't test me for. Somehow I got better advice from the person working at the CVS Minute Clinic than at our major hospital.

Nevermind the whole experience cost me $2000.

Very wide bands in the 80% confidence interval, but here are some R(t) charts for delta and omicron for SA, UK, USA, and Germany.

Point is, omicron is spreading roughly 2.5x faster than delta. Even if it is mild and fully replaces delta tomorrow, hospitals will still be filled with delta patients for quite some time. Not really any slack in the system right now.

I mean, look at what delta has been able to do here with an R(t) of 1.1.

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I wonder how bad the 2021 Covid winter surge will be? Now that everyone in the northern hemisphere is heading back indoors the new case rate is climbing to new highs, right on schedule.

Which gives rise to a couple of thoughts…

1) The issue of indoor ventilation and filtration is STILL NOT BEING ADDRESSED. Has your home, business, or local haunts changed operating procedures since March 2020?

2) Omicron is at least 1.3 times as infectious as Delta (so I’ve heard), even though we’re not done with Delta yet. Will we see new all-time highs in case and casualty rates?

Yeah, the whole covid is airborne thing still hasn’t really sunk in for most places…or at least policies haven’t been updated since it became clear that was the case.

My elementary age kid goes back to in person school in January for the first time since forever and I asked the secretary how lunch works now (last year for the times the schools were in person, the kids ate at their desks). She said “don’t worry we wipe down the lunch tables between groups”…not the kind of response that makes me feel warm and fuzzy.

It’s like, that’s great flu prevention measures but…covid be airborne ma’am.

No upgrades to the ventilation at the school, but they did install a couple dozen more hand sanitizer stations, so I guess things will be fine.

FYI, so far this school year, approx 15% of the kids at the elementary have confirmed tested positive….nearly half of which was last week alone so…yeah.

I heard from a family member that had long term. "taste" issues. Nothing tasted right.
After chatting, he tried some miracle fruit tablets, that has a glycoprotein, that makes everything taste sweet.

After a few uses, he shared his taste has improved quite significantly.

Pass it on as an easy try, to anyone it might benefit.

Or get it for your next party....They are lots of fun and laughs!

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Our kids have been at 2 different schools elementary and middle since the start of covid. No masks, no issues. No teachers have died and no kids have been hospitalized. In 2 years!

I think your little ones should be ok.

Will they be 100% ok? That is the measure we use in these parts. A single example shows 100% of the possibilities. /s

They'll be 99.98% ok.

All those stories of kids dying en'masse turned out to be bunk apparently.

There's quite a bit to unpack there.

What area of the country is this? What are the covid stats? What kind of schools? Public? Private? Are they in the city? Suburbs? Rural area? How big are the classes? How much interaction to the kids and teachers have with each other? What precautions are being taken by the school? Distancing? Dividers? Barriers? Air filtration? Are the doors propped open, or is everybody touching the same door handles? Have there been any positive covid tests? What is the procedure when there is a positive test or suspected case?

Public schools large county. At the beginning it was 6 feet social distancing etc. But that didn't last long. Masks have been optional since pretty much the beginning and very few kids wear them of at all. Most teachers don't even wear them.

No barriers, dividers etc. All sit down at lunch together. Many positive cases my kid had to quarantine for 14 days 2x last year for exposure.

No deaths in students or teachers at both kids schools. All I can say is thank God I'm in Florida so I don't have to push the fear on my kids. They have adjusted just fine through all this.

The 1917-18 pandemic lasted a couple of years and died out after the 3rd wave.

To me, looking at the charts, it looks we are starting wave # 4.

Big difference between 1917 and today? Air travel. Something from one side of the globe can be transported to the other side in 24 hours.

Old news and maybe not where you live but 13 School Workers died in Miami from Covid in less than a month in August. Florida is not immune and the comment that "99% are going to be ok" is dismissive to those on the shitty end of that percentage.

https://www.npr.org/2021/09/08/1035157226/miami-covid-19-deaths-schools-district

People are dyeing at 1300 a day just about every day this year. You may continue to deny or be ignorant to what is happening but it is not what is occurring in reality.

Are you telling me your kid has been out of school all this time?
My grandson's in Catholic elementary school and they've had in class learning since the pandemic. They stay home if they have symptoms and have to be tested, but other than that school's in session.

We all thank god you live in Florida.

We've had the option of homeschool / virtual learning which my son had to do the 2x he was under quarantine (so stupid as he never got sick nor showed symptoms but sick until proven innocent [Removed]).

13 county employees not teachers.. and it was before the school year even started. You may continue to spread misinformation but it's not what's occurring in reality.

Talking of maths, could Trekkie become the most downvoted Pinsider ever? He then needs to reflect upon why this may be.

Denmark Omicron cases skewing younger, but hospitalizations are up slightly vs delta (1.1% vs 0.7%).

Don’t think this is consistent with the mild variant narrative. Still, not many being hospitalized as a percent of infected (due to insufficient time since infection, age and vaccination status?)…but you keep doubling the cases and you will get in trouble fast.

A lot more interesting data details in the report. Still combing through it. I appreciate the English translations.

https://files.ssi.dk/covid19/omikron/statusrapport/rapport-omikronvarianten-13122021-i30w

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I went to my family physician this morning for a wellness checkup. They had a sign up that said "Masks are mandatory for sick patients."
I saw one elderly patient, she didn't look sick, but she was wearing a mask. No one else in the entire office wore masks. Patients nor staff.
Strange...
I asked my doctor his thoughts on the COVID vaccines and the booster shots. He said that the vaccines wouldn't prevent COVID from spreading, as has been documented. But he said the reason we should get the vaccines and boosters is not because it will keep us from getting us sick, but that it will keep us from dying.

What stories are you referring to? I haven't heard anything like that.

More completely invented stuff to argue against. It's fun, try it!

Remember when the anti-vaxers were saying the vaccine was going to turn people purple, make their eyeballs fall out, and instantly change their sex? Well, WELL?! We're waiting!!!!!!*

*apologies if the anti-vaxers actually DID say that stuff. You never know these days.

County “School” employees, to include *teachers - sorry. NOT misinformation but maybe a way to change the narrative or lack of reading comprehension. You missed the point anyway so please disregard

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Down - 1,610
Ratio - 80.8%

Not the worst I’ve seen. But he seems to be on an ejection vacation right now, so I normally don’t speak about people when someone can’t respond in the same forum.

There has certainly been some back and forth of how many kids get long haul covid. From the studies I have read, (some of which I have posted links to in the past) depending on the study, for symptomatic cases as low as 5%, as high as 40%. The 40% one had some data problems that I for one certainly didn’t catch right away.

As far as covid deaths…true, very few kids die due to covid, BUT in general very few kids should be dying of anything…because they are kids.

So, put those two sides together and you get that covid is a leading cause of child deaths even though very few cases of covid end up in child deaths.

My fear is child hospitalization…especially since I still have two that are too young to be vaxxed. The idea of my child being in the hospital (assuming there are beds, which right now there are not) and me unable to be by their side kinda freaks me out. Even if they are only in there for a heartbeat.

A few years back one of mine had trigger finger surgery. No big deal type surgery and I still was a wreck as they wheeled them away.

I'd have to be batshit crazy to willingly live somewhere that wants to fine people $1,000 for not wearing a mask amirite?

York, Pa Man, whose wife won a lawsuit to treat his COVID-19 with ivermectin has died.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/12/13/pennsylvania-man-treated-covid-ivermectin-dies/6498445001/

The big payoff for the Covid vaccine is that it reduces the severity of the disease, drastically reducing your chance of dying, requiring hospitalization, damaging your organs in various ways, experiencing long covid symptoms, or even having to even go see your doc about it.

I wish it was reported more like that on all news outlets but it isn't.

https://www.npr.org/2021/09/08/1035157226/miami-covid-19-deaths-schools-district

From the article:

"At least 13 employees of the Miami-Dade County Public Schools have died from complications of COVID-19 since Aug. 16, according to district officials. Those who died include teachers, school bus drivers, a security worker and a cafeteria manager."

The article mentions that all 13 were unvaccinated and its unclear if they caught Covid at work or not, school had not started and the article date was 9/8. Only one reportedly had direct student contact whatever that means. But they all worked for the school system and dead is dead.

Florida state law prevents a vaccine or mask mandate for the school district. At least they had all that freedom.

I'd be interested to see how many were vaccinated. https://miami.cbslocal.com/2021/08/05/miami-dade-employees-covid-vaccine-proof-weekly-testing/

The article states they're not but how many got vaccinated right before starting the school year especially since they were required to get one of be forced (coerced) into weekly testing without it. If it was within 14 days of getting their shot or booster they are considered unvaccinated. That is a fact.

Almost as crazy as living somewhere that fines private businesses $5,000 for requiring proof of vaccination. Very free market amirite?

Again, who is 'they' and do you have an article to reference? I really don't remember anything remotely claiming "kids dying en'masse" to use your quote. It sounds made up to me.

Lemme guess, the narrative will be that the "miracle cure" wasn't given soon enough this time...

Ivermectin looks to be going the way of Hydroxycholorquine.

This man is made of straw.

And I think people are batshit crazy for not wearing masks during a pandemic. I still think it’s dumb to not take the simplest of precautions to help mitigate the spread of a respiratory virus. Meh.

What difference would it make if you wear a mask while in public?

Random fun fact. We have the miracle fruit tree in our garden (needs fairly tropical conditions). Its great, you eat a berry (small about 20mm long and just ensure the flesh coats your tongue), then eating anything sour tastes sweet. Its amazing eating a lemon - tastes like fizzy lemonade!

I've also heard it can help patients with taste issues as a side effect of some treatments.

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"York County Court Judge Clyde Vedder’s Dec. 3 decision did not compel the hospital to treat Keith with the drug, but it did allow Darla to have an independent physician administer it. He received two doses before Keith’s condition grew worse, and the doctor halted the treatment."

This is incorrect. The vaccines do reduce transmission, but this isn't their strongest suit (the other benefits are greater, as your doctor said). But my understanding from PHE for Delta is that 2 jabs reduce spread by 50%, and 3 jabs by 90%. Omicron is a different matter of course, but there will still be significant reduction of spread. Wearing masks and gloves where appropriate remains very important.