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Wichita, KS
Quoted from BrianJ1337:We can't deny at this point that people have died from the shot itself. Stroke, heart issues, GBS and more. If it's rare great but it doesn't stop the spread nor prevent covid sickness and we cannot call it "safe" at least when compared to other vaccines and their side effects.
To try and mandate such a poor excuse for a vaccine should be criminal.
You've said the same thing over and over. You never respond to others questions or what they post or ask you.
Are you trying to convince everyone else or yourself? I don't think you even believe what you post. Somebody else told you what to think and you've bought it.
Quoted from BrianJ1337:Isn't NZ like 91% vaccinated? Weird we can't question the effectiveness when we see numbers like this isn't it?
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Their total covid cases to date are roughly the same as a day's worth of new cases in my state. Weird!
Quoted from PantherCityPins:Yes, three confirmed deaths out of 300 million + US vaccinations. No one is denying that.
If you believe there's only been three deaths i bet you also believe there's a vaccine that can prevent covid.
Quoted from PinballNewb:And what does that have to do with who DaveH was addressing? Absolutely nothing.
I think everything.
Why on earth would anyone on this board take medical advice from DaveH??
I have a doctor who knows my medical history inside and out. That’s who I go to for medical advice.
If I want nonsense, there’s more than enough to go around on this board by people who think they are experts.
I thought today’s theme was literature?
We going back to chart measuring contests now? Ok, cool.
Let’s see New Zealand today is sitting at 37 cases per million and rising. The USA is sitting at 287 cases per million and rising.
New Zealand is averaging 1 death per day for the entire country. Pretty sure my school district alone is averaging that.
Again, how is this helping your argument?
Also FYI New Zealand is closer to 70% vaccinated. Nice try. (USA is sitting around 59%)
Quoted from BrianJ1337:Isn't NZ like 91% vaccinated? Weird we can't question the effectiveness when we see numbers like this isn't it?
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Auckland
Quoted from BrianJ1337:Isn't NZ like 91% vaccinated? Weird we can't question the effectiveness when we see numbers like this isn't it?
Oh, complete twaddle. You know shit about Covid in NZ. Is that all you have?
NZ was Covid free for months. When the delta outbreak occurred in NZ in August the country was 20% vaccinated, not 91%. Yes, 3 months later 91% have their first dose, but not fully vaccinated. The cases in that graph are predominantly unvaccinated people. This is well documented because every single case is investigated: Vaccine status, genomic sequencing, contact tracing. That steep upward curve you show amounts to about 200 cases a day. Looks steep when there were previously 0 cases per day. Are you deliberately trying to mislead people? Real life data from New Zealand supports vaccination.
This is the latest info from our Ministry of Health.
Based on the cases in the last fortnight, unvaccinated people are 8 times more likely to get Covid-19 than people who have received two doses, and 17 times more likely to be hospitalised.
Quoted from frisbez:You've said the same thing over and over. You never respond to others questions or what they post or ask you.
Are you trying to convince everyone else or yourself? I don't think you even believe what you post. Somebody else told you what to think and you've bought it.
The real question is? Did he bring it? I don’t blame him or Trekkie. Hell I would ghost all you assholes in a heart beat. Typing words ain't shit go out there and do something. Help a fucking person. Be a fucking good friend! Do something besides jacking off and showing how good of person you are. I posted some shit and saved some lives. It’s not a debate it is what it is.
Quoted from Trekkie1978:My friend doesn’t need people like DaveH telling him how awful of a human he is due to his own medical condition.
Not once.
If you really need that level of qualification on every statement I make, you are an idiot. Of course there are people that can’t take the vaccine. The size of that group is smaller than the number of people that say they can’t, but of course the group exists.
There are also people that take the vaccine but have compromised immune systems, so their response to the vaccine is muted. I happen to be very closely related to someone in that category. And do you know how we deal with it? Masks and extra far social distance.
People have to deal with all kinds of medical issues every day. I expect that your friend is taking extra precautions due to the fact that he can’t get the vaccine. Because if there is something in the vaccine that he is vulnerable to, Covid would fuck him up worse. And if he isn’t taking every precaution to avoid it, he’s an idiot.
Quoted from Trekkie1978:Why on earth would anyone on this board take medical advice from DaveH??
Nobody on here should ever take medical advice from me, or anyone else. Not even from PantherCityPins who is actually a doctor. Just like they shouldn’t be taking lessons in humanity or on preservation of a society from you. You are being kind of an ass by calling me out like this. If you have a beef, you could send a PM that I’d ignore.
Quoted from 7oxford:Oh, complete twaddle. You know shit about Covid in NZ. Is that all you have?
NZ was Covid free for months. When the delta outbreak occurred in NZ in August the country was 20% vaccinated, not 91%. Yes, 3 months later 91% have their first dose, but not fully vaccinated. The cases in that graph are predominantly unvaccinated people. This is well documented because every single case is investigated: Vaccine status, genomic sequencing, contact tracing. That steep upward curve you show amounts to about 200 cases a day. Looks steep when there were previously 0 cases per day. Are you deliberately trying to mislead people? Real life data from New Zealand supports vaccination.
This is the latest info from our Ministry of Health.
Based on the cases in the last fortnight, unvaccinated people are 8 times more likely to get Covid-19 than people who have received two doses, and 17 times more likely to be hospitalised.
The constant changing of what constitue vaccinated status is changing
It's being talked about that you are not getting fully vaccinated if you didn't get your third shot.
The number of shots you need to be "vaccinated" is growing.
Welcome to the unvaccinated club.
Quoted from BrianJ1337:If you believe there's only been three deaths i bet you also believe there's a vaccine that can prevent covid.
Look at the data. Currently there are three confirmed deaths related to the vaccine.
I’m sorry if that upsets you but I don’t make up the data.
By the way, the current vaccines reduce risk of contracting COVID by 2-4x depending on the variant.
So you’re wrong twice in one post. Congrats.
Quoted from Bmad21:The constant changing of what constitue vaccinated status is changing
It's being talked about that you are not getting fully vaccinated if you didn't get your third shot.
There is some merit in that. From day 1 of its approval the Pfizer vaccine was a two dose regimen. The early trial data showed one dose did not provide a lot of efficacy. This is born out in real life data. Our MOH publishes this too as all vaccinations vs cases are tracked. The system is not overwhelm with cases at the moment so the data is pretty reliable
Every new vaccine has a question mark over how long it will last. Sometimes lab tests and mathematical modelling give you a good idea, but at the moment the question is unanswered for Covid. During my life time the recommendations I’ve received for my tetanus booster shot kept changing too. I’ve always thought an annual flu shot gave me good protection. Then I found out the effectiveness may be as low as 30% some years and immunity may last just a few months. Just long enough to get you through winter with a bit of luck.
It is what it is.
I am actually hoping that when oral treatments become available next year, the dynamic will change for the better. Challenge for us will be getting rapid test results. Government also controls purchase and prescription of many medicines. Medical rationing is common. Have to weigh up whether I need to have my own stock pile.
Quoted from Bmad21:The constant changing of what constitue vaccinated status is changing
It's being talked about that you are not getting fully vaccinated if you didn't get your third shot.
The number of shots you need to be "vaccinated" is growing.
Welcome to the unvaccinated club.
With more information the result changes? That’s insane. What kind of science is that??? Man, what kind of craziness can change a recommendation when more information comes along.
(That’s sarcasm. Please read it with the mocking tone I’m typing it with. Drip it with condescension to get the full effect.)
Small good news: a USA variant B.1.628 has likely gone extinct. It simply couldn’t compete with delta.
Bad news…Keep an eye on the B.1.1.529 variant detected in Botswana. A bunch of mutations including 32 in the spike protein. Not clear if it can outcompete delta. Not much known about it at all really, but the potential for evasion is there.
TBD.
Alcona, ON
Second time I heard about a new Botswana variant on the news...starting to spread a “horrific mutation” ?
Quoted from cdnpinbacon:Second time I heard about a new Botswana variant on the news...starting to spread a “horrific mutation” ?
Yeah, the news on this has kind of erupted in the last few hours. Not just the more yawn inducing thick read sources.
Some more that I have learned from the firehose of news:
they figured out they can detect this variant (probably will be called nu) via an assay and not have to do a full sequence. This means it will be far easier to track. (Good thing)
so they did that in South Africa and BAM they saw a worrisome spike in nu variant in one province. (See graph. Bad thing)
What is concerning to me is that at least right now the South Africa data suggests it is holding its own competing with delta.
The infected travelers in Hong Kong kept testing negative until they didn’t (one was 4 days negative, 8 tests) and then the amount detected was quite high. (PCR Ct values of 18 and 19). In a similar way delta had increased values compared to vanilla covid. If the past is prologue…
Don’t think we know much of anything about any changes in severity of infection. Delta certainly was both more infectious and more severe. As I understand it, both Hong Kong cases were vaccinated (may/June timeframe) and asymptomatic.
Again, lots of alarmist ways to go with this. We simply don’t know enough right now. A lot of the ingredients are there, but it doesn’t mean the cupcakes are baked.
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43E38CBF-FE43-4FB9-9917-0A45AFD9105F (resized).jpegQuoted from DaveH:Not once.
If you really need that level of qualification on every statement I make, you are an idiot. Of course there are people that can’t take the vaccine. The size of that group is smaller than the number of people that say they can’t, but of course the group exists.
There are also people that take the vaccine but have compromised immune systems, so their response to the vaccine is muted. I happen to be very closely related to someone in that category. And do you know how we deal with it? Masks and extra far social distance.
People have to deal with all kinds of medical issues every day. I expect that your friend is taking extra precautions due to the fact that he can’t get the vaccine. Because if there is something in the vaccine that he is vulnerable to, Covid would fuck him up worse. And if he isn’t taking every precaution to avoid it, he’s an idiot.Nobody on here should ever take medical advice from me, or anyone else. Not even from Pinball_Gizzard who is actually a doctor. Just like they shouldn’t be taking lessons in humanity or on preservation of a society from you. You are being kind of an ass by calling me out like this. If you have a beef, you could send a PM that I’d ignore.
So let's analyze this post shall we??
Calls me an idiot...I thought one of the rules of pinside was to be nice....
So you say Covid would fuck my friend up worse than the vaccine....
But your next statement is that nobody should take medical advice from you.
So exactly how do you know covid would be worse for him than the vaccine???
The answer is: YOU DON'T! I thought you said we shouldn't take medical advice from you...geez, that didn't even last a second.
Then you go on to call me an ass....pinside rule was to be nice......
I can't take you seriously, because most of your predictions have been wrong. For instance in this post alone, you give medical advice to my fiend without knowing his medical history.....
I'm going to say this again, which the pro-lockdown people love to ignore (and have already ignored what the FDA says in regards to masks), lifestyle choices are a huge factor with covid: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/need-extra-precautions/people-with-medical-conditions.html
Straight from the CDC:
-"The risk of severe COVID-19 illness increases sharply with elevated BMI."
-"Being a current or former cigarette smoker can make you more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19. If you currently smoke, quit. If you used to smoke, don’t start again. If you’ve never smoked, don’t start."
-"Having a substance use disorder (such as alcohol, opioid, or cocaine use disorder) can make you more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19."
-"Having either type 1 or type 2 diabetes can make you more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19." (Type 1 does not apply to my post, thats not from lifestyle).
-"Having chronic liver disease, such as alcohol-related liver disease, non-alcoholic fatty liver disease, and autoimmune hepatitis, and especially cirrhosis, or scarring of the liver, can make you more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19."
As my doctor has told me. If I get the virus, there's 100% chance I will survive because I'm vaccinated, eat healthy, exercise, take my vitamins and am always looking out for my health.
London
BBC:
"WHO says new Covid strain is 'variant of concern'
The World Health Organization says that preliminary evidence suggests that a new Covid variant carries a higher risk of reinfection than other variants.
The variant, currently known as B.1.1.529, has been identified in South Africa, Botswana, Belgium, Hong Kong and Israel.
It has designated it a variant of concern and given it the name: Omicron."
Sounds like a band name.
Omicron is the official name of the new covid variant of concern.
https://www.ft.com/content/fb7c54a5-7f1a-49d3-9a00-6050f0f26bf4
Pfizer/Biontech should have data on how much the new variant can evade the immunities in about two weeks.
They say they can have a new modified vaccine to start shipping in about 4 or 5 months from now:
Quoted from cdnpinbacon:Southern Africa travelers to Canada must be tested upon arrival. Not sure if or when Canada will suspend travel.
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Yeah…the Hong Kong and Israel data suggests simply testing upon arrival isn’t enough. Need quarantine upon arrival.
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Why am I reading that MEME and hearing it in Maurice LaMarche's voice?
Quoted from cdnpinbacon:Southern Africa travelers to Canada must be tested upon arrival. Not sure if or when Canada will suspend travel.
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Just heard on the local news that Canada has also issued travel restrictions (On KTLA 5 Los Angeles @ 1:00 P.M.)
@scottgottliebMD on Twitter is a super source of Covid info in general. He has posted several threads on Omicron today that are helpful.
I don't think it's going to be as scary as the market took it to be today. But who knows. Either way I'm glad to to triple jabbed.
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Oaken ...you enter a room with a long boardroom table...I am at one end and must speak loudly for you to hear my voice because you are at the other end. Illuminati themed pictures adorn the walls.
I ask where did this virus originate?
Quoted from Trekkie1978:So let's analyze this post shall we??
Calls me an idiot...I thought one of the rules of pinside was to be nice....
So you say Covid would fuck my friend up worse than the vaccine....
But your next statement is that nobody should take medical advice from you.
So exactly how do you know covid would be worse for him than the vaccine???
The answer is: YOU DON'T! I thought you said we shouldn't take medical advice from you...geez, that didn't even last a second.
Then you go on to call me an ass....pinside rule was to be nice......
I can't take you seriously, because most of your predictions have been wrong. For instance in this post alone, you give medical advice to my fiend without knowing his medical history.....
I'm going to say this again, which the pro-lockdown people love to ignore (and have already ignored what the FDA says in regards to masks), lifestyle choices are a huge factor with covid: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/need-extra-precautions/people-with-medical-conditions.html
Straight from the CDC:
-"The risk of severe COVID-19 illness increases sharply with elevated BMI."
-"Being a current or former cigarette smoker can make you more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19. If you currently smoke, quit. If you used to smoke, don’t start again. If you’ve never smoked, don’t start."
-"Having a substance use disorder (such as alcohol, opioid, or cocaine use disorder) can make you more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19."
-"Having either type 1 or type 2 diabetes can make you more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19." (Type 1 does not apply to my post, thats not from lifestyle).
-"Having chronic liver disease, such as alcohol-related liver disease, non-alcoholic fatty liver disease, and autoimmune hepatitis, and especially cirrhosis, or scarring of the liver, can make you more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19."
As my doctor has told me. If I get the virus, there's 100% chance I will survive because I'm vaccinated, eat healthy, exercise, take my vitamins and am always looking out for my health.
Keep your eye on the variants instead of blah blah
Quoted from cdnpinbacon:Oaken ...you enter a room with a long boardroom table...I am at one end and must speak loudly for you to hear my voice because you are at the other end. Illuminati themed pictures adorn the walls.
I ask where did this virus originate?
I melt the wizard by throwing the thermal pod
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And another variant named based upon Star Trek
380701C7-1889-4154-A7FE-17B0162C3E7F (resized).jpegCurrently, there are 7.7 billion people of Earth. Somewhere out there, the upper limit of how many people the Earth can support has to be on the horizon.
Perhaps 9 to 10 billion people from this article.
https://www.livescience.com/16493-people-planet-earth-support.html
Maybe this Covid is going to turn into the great herd culler and reduce population the world around ?
Let's see what the Magic 8 ball says.
Melbourne
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One thing’s for sure, this new variant will increase the number of people who say “ah, the hell with it” and cast their lot with the antivaxxers. Sad.
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Quoted from 7oxford:Latest data from NZ on cases versus vaccination status. [quoted image]
Don't come spreading your fakenews here: we all know that when a vaccine doesn't prevent 100% it is ineffective </sarcasm>
On a serious note: I can't believe with all the data like yours out there, from so many different reliable sources from different countries, that some people still think it's better not to be vaccinated.
Re: travel bans
They don’t work and basically just end up punishing the people of the banned country.
1) they are too late: By the time we figure out a variant/virus of concern, people have been traveling with it for awhile.
2) not 100% compliance: People find a way to travel anyway
Recent evidence, omicron infection in Belgium was from early November and from someone who never went to Africa. They only traveled to Egypt & Turkey but not Sub-Saharan Africa.
Now approx 50 more Belgian cases are being tested for the variant.
Quoted from sven:On a serious note: I can't believe with all the data like yours out there, from so many different reliable sources from different countries, that some people still think it's better not to be vaccinated.
There’s more people than ever, there are more
Dumb people than ever, and people are more
Stubborn than ever.
It’s a brutal mix.
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