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#25400 2 years ago
Quoted from DakotaMike:

Well, yes. Obviously the money comes from somewhere. But everyone pays that equally. It's a give and take sort of system. Definitely has it's cons, but an NHS means no major illness, injury, or congenital condition will bankrupt anyone.

Quoted from rwmech5:

No you just die waiting years for treatment. It's not all it's made out to be. A blended system would be much better. Alberta doesn't have sales tax cotton but we do pay about 33-36% income tax on a 70-100k wage.

I was in the military for 5.5 years. The military, IMO, could pass the definition of being a socialistic organization. And other than us kids being a bunch of dumb kids---with attitudes----the military was not bad. You were clothed. You were fed. You got free military medical care and I don't remember any of my friends having a bad experiences ( the ones without attitudes, that is ). The wives loved the job security and the free medical care for their babies.

33-36% sounds about right in the states for that kind of income.

If you work for a company that pays for health care premiums, the US is a great place to be.

But if you have a job, with no benefits, you are basically hosed.

I had Obamacare before I turned 65 and became eligible for Medicare. Before I turned 65, my premiums for the cheap seat insurance was going to be $220.00 per month with a $6700.00 deductible (almost $10,000.00 ) before the insurance company kicked in a dime. Or I could have bought the gold package for more monthly premium and less deductible, but when I ran the numbers, if you get real sick you are still kicking in about $10K our year before insurance starts helping out.

If you are unfortunate and get sick in December with a big bill and then January rolls around, you get to start all over again. So, in less than one month's time you be out $18,000.00 before you pass GO.

#25406 2 years ago

Who are the parents going to yell at now? They don't want to mask up. They don't want their kids to mask up. They don't want to vaccine. Neither do the drivers; And now there no bus.

Bus driving is a part time job that commandeers your entire day. Around here, drivers get about 4.5 hours of work per day. With summers off and no unemployment, bus driving is not a stellar career choice.

Sounds like the drivers listened to the parents and walked.

For myself, no way would I climb behind the wheel without the vaccine. And those little bastards would be wearing masks on my bus.

Some of the parents on my route did not have cars. Taxi rides will eat up that money real quick. But taxis don't exactly work to a tight, regimented schedule. But this could turn into a profit center for some parents with multiple kids. 3 kids will get parents $1500.00 per month. Parts of that money can come from bus fuel savings. I used burn thru 40 gallons of diesel per day.

Looks like it is going to be an interesting school year.

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#25407 2 years ago
Quoted from PantherCityPins:

Again, another attempt at avoiding the question.
Hawaii’s Governor relaxed their mask requirement back in May. Even now their own travel site says masks are “recommended” while indoors and not required outdoors.
Once again, no measure against COVID is perfect, especially against a highly contagious delta variant. The different measures work together to reduce the spread.
By the way, Hawaii also has one of the higher vaccination rates in the country, are you going to tell us now that is proof vaccines don’t work either?
As I said several posts up, you’re unreachable.

Fiction can be fun.

https://governor.hawaii.gov/newsroom/office-of-the-governor-news-release-governor-ige-lifts-mask-requirement-for-outdoor-activities-gives-green-light-to-ocean-sports-competitions-honolulu-and-kauai-county-orders-also-approved/

May 25, 2021
HONOLULU – Gov. David Ige has issued an amendment to the 19th emergency proclamation lifting the mask mandate for all individuals outdoors, effective immediately.

Mask wearing is still highly recommended outdoors, when in large groups. The indoor mask mandate remains unchanged.

https://apnews.com/article/health-government-and-politics-coronavirus-pandemic-hawaii-9c6d5bb024194db5157cf6d3b032d9bf

July 15, 2021
HONOLULU (AP) — Hawaii Gov. David Ige said Thursday he will maintain a requirement that people wear masks indoors as the spread of the COVID-19 delta variant fuels a spike in cases.

https://hawaiicovid19.com/mask-guidance/

Correct and consistent mask use remains a critical tool that we can use to prevent getting and spreading COVID-19. Masks are no longer required while outdoors. Masks are always required indoors except while eating or drinking.

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Please don't put words in my mouth that the vaccines don't work. How many times must I repeat the same thing over and over: We need everyone to get vaccinated. There's not enough built up immunity to stop the spread of the virus.

This is real world data: The masks are not stopping the spread.

Let's compare NJ to Hawaii. NJ had 9.2 million people and averaging 1,700 daily cases. Hawaii has 1.4 million people and is averaging 800 daily cases. NJ has no mask mandate (pretty much only at a doctor's office). Hawaii never got rid of their indoor mask mandate. NJ ranks first for population density. Hawaii comes in 12th. NJ averages 1,207 people per square mile. Hawaii is at 218.

Let's look at vaccination rates: NJ is at 61% and Hawaii is at 55%.

Why is NJ doing better than Hawaii with daily case counts? NJ isn't masked up, but Hawaii is. NJ has a higher vaccination rate.

Again, real world data.

I really wish the rest of the adults in NJ would get vaccinated. Pretty soon, we will be stuck indoors, and this variant is just going to attack the unvaccinated in numbers we haven't experienced yet. Here's my prediction: Come winter time, NJ will be averaging around 8,000 - 10,000 cases per day...and it's all going to be in the "I don't want the vaccine" group of people.

Note on the picture: 94% of all the cases in NJ are delta.

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#25408 2 years ago

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/19/opinions/texas-covid-greg-abbott-vladeck/?hpt=ob_blogfooterold

" I live in Austin, Texas, where the school district is just one of several across the state defying Governor Greg Abbott's executive order prohibiting government entities from requiring face masks."

" I also teach at the University of Texas, where in-person classes start next Wednesday. Thanks to Abbott, the school is not allowed to require students to be vaccinated or to wear masks. We're not even allowed to ask our students if they are vaccinated. Meanwhile, the 11-county area around and including the city of Austin had a grand total of four ICU beds left as of Thursday."

" Texas hasn't just barred public schools from requiring students, staff and teachers to wear masks -- the state also does not mandate that teachers or other staff members be vaccinated. "

" It's no wonder school districts in even more conservative parts of the Lone Star State are also openly defying Abbott on these policies. "

"All of this anti-mask, anti-vaccination hysteria is wrapped around a fundamentally flawed -- and irredeemably selfish -- conception of "freedom." Even in Texas, we have seatbelt laws, speed limits and, in many jurisdictions, bans on smoking in workplaces, restaurants and bars. And wouldn't you know it -- we even have vaccination requirements for school-age children, at least for diseases not named Covid-19."
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I like this part: " we even have vaccination requirements for school-age children, at least for diseases not named Covid-19."

It is a clickable link that sends you to here.

https://www.dshs.texas.gov/immunize/school/school-requirements.aspx

LOOK AT ALL THE VACCINES THE STATE OF TEXAS REQUIRES FOR SCHOOL KIDS. AND COVID GETS FREE RIDE. !!!

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#25409 2 years ago

This only is going to effect 2100 out 350,000 students, CPS will be saving money due to a massive reduction in labor cost.

#25410 2 years ago
Quoted from Trekkie1978:

Please don't put words in my mouth that the vaccines don't work. How many times must I repeat the same thing over and over: We need everyone to get vaccinated. There's not enough built up immunity to stop the spread of the virus.
This is real world data: The masks are not stopping the spread.

I agree that people are conflating two of your positions repeatedly, and one in error. I don’t understand why this is happening over and over again.

That being said, I will tell you why I think you are wrong about your statements on masks: you keep saying that they don’t work to stop the spread. That definition (stop) is sort of loaded, because of course they don’t totally stop it. The correct question is do they cut down on spread, and I believe it has been shown that they do when worn properly (some types more than others). I think you would even agree with this?

So doesn’t every little bit help?

#25411 2 years ago
Quoted from cdnpinbacon:

Spicey rum flavor for me

Coming soon!

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#25412 2 years ago

Decided it’s not worth the keystrokes.

Have a great day!

#25413 2 years ago
Quoted from Trekkie1978:

Why is NJ doing better than Hawaii with daily case counts?

Tourism.

Your entire post is perfect example of why “lies, damned lies, and statistics” is a saying.

#25414 2 years ago
Quoted from Trekkie1978:

How many times must I repeat the same thing over and over: We need everyone to get vaccinated. There's not enough built up immunity to stop the spread of the virus.
This is real world data: The masks are not stopping the spread.

And how many times do you have to be told, that while masks are not stopping the spread, they help slowing it, while we wait for wide enough vaccine coverage? The longer we wait, the greater is the probability of a new variant that is immune to current vaccines. That's why we need to wear masks.

#25415 2 years ago

Unvaccinated adults not coming into contact with children (who cant get the vaccine yet) is GREAT news right?

An Unvaccinated teacher infected 12 out of 22 students who were ineligible for the vaccine.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/unvaccinated-unmasked-teacher-spreads-covid-19-elementary-school-students-cdc-n1277852

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#25416 2 years ago
Quoted from Trekkie1978:

The masks are not stopping the spread.

Are we still having this mask debate after a year and a half into this? Masks work, period. We've known this since 1861 when Louis Pasteur discovered the presence of bacteria in the air.

#25417 2 years ago
Quoted from Jaybird815:

This only is going to effect 2100 out 350,000 students, CPS will be saving money due to a massive reduction in labor cost.

The way I read this is 90 drivers make the wrong decision and dont want to get vaccinated followed by the right choice and quit working with the kids.In Marin an unvax teacher infected her 26 students.3/4 of a million dead in the US and we still take it as a joke.

#25418 2 years ago
Quoted from Jamesays:

The way I read this is 90 drivers make the wrong decision and dont want to get vaccinated followed by the right choice and quit working with the kids.In Marin an unvax teacher infected her 26 students.3/4 of a million dead in the US and we still take it as a joke.

sorry Jaybird I tagged the wrong one

#25419 2 years ago
Quoted from skink91:

I agree that people are conflating two of your positions repeatedly, and one in error. I don’t understand why this is happening over and over again.
That being said, I will tell you why I think you are wrong about your statements on masks: you keep saying that they don’t work to stop the spread. That definition (stop) is sort of loaded, because of course they don’t totally stop it. The correct question is do they cut down on spread, and I believe it has been shown that they do when worn properly (some types more than others). I think you would even agree with this?
So doesn’t every little bit help?

I’m not conflating anything.

My point was that Trekkie is trying to use a COVID spike in Hawaii to say that masking doesn’t work. The problem (well one of many problems honestly) with that position is that Hawaii also has one of the highest vaccination rates in the country. If you apply his same logic then we could conclude that vaccination doesn’t work (also a false conclusion).

I was hoping he would see how his own flawed logical position would undermine his other pro-vaccine argument and figure out that he is not making logical conclusions based on the data but…yeah too much to ask I guess.

#25421 2 years ago
Quoted from jitneystand1:

Tourism.
Your entire post is perfect example of why “lies, damned lies, and statistics” is a saying.

You mean no one wants to visit the former Garbage State?

#25422 2 years ago
Quoted from PantherCityPins:

I’m not conflating anything.
My point was that Trekkie is trying to use a COVID spike in Hawaii to say that masking doesn’t work. The problem (well one of many problems honestly) with that position is that Hawaii also has one of the highest vaccination rates in the country. If you apply his same logic then we could conclude that vaccination doesn’t work (also a false conclusion).
I was hoping he would see how his own flawed logical position would undermine his other pro-vaccine argument and figure out that he is not making logical conclusions based on the data but…yeah too much to ask I guess.

Sorry about the misunderstanding here. I wasn’t meaning to call you out specifically at all, just more mentioning and agreeing with him that people are actually repeatedly replying to him asserting that he holds an anti-vaccine position as well. I should have been more specific myself.

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#25423 2 years ago

I know of a guy that just lost his job in New England because he was unvaccinated. Tough boss, but it was a pretty good gig if you like to play football.

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#25424 2 years ago
Quoted from skink91:

I agree that people are conflating two of your positions repeatedly, and one in error. I don’t understand why this is happening over and over again.
That being said, I will tell you why I think you are wrong about your statements on masks: you keep saying that they don’t work to stop the spread. That definition (stop) is sort of loaded, because of course they don’t totally stop it. The correct question is do they cut down on spread, and I believe it has been shown that they do when worn properly (some types more than others). I think you would even agree with this?
So doesn’t every little bit help?

I have said the N95 is the mask that stops the spread. It’s the one that filters the virus from going in and going out. The problem is, that isn’t the ones people are wearing.

The ones we are wearing don’t stop the virus, then add in the fact that no one wears it correctly. It’s right on the FDA’s website that they don’t work.

Vaccines are the key. I believe the data I showed with NJ and Hawaii prove it beyond a doubt.

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#25425 2 years ago
Quoted from PantherCityPins:

I’m not conflating anything.
My point was that Trekkie is trying to use a COVID spike in Hawaii to say that masking doesn’t work. The problem (well one of many problems honestly) with that position is that Hawaii also has one of the highest vaccination rates in the country. If you apply his same logic then we could conclude that vaccination doesn’t work (also a false conclusion).
I was hoping he would see how his own flawed logical position would undermine his other pro-vaccine argument and figure out that he is not making logical conclusions based on the data but…yeah too much to ask I guess.

But Hawaii is ranked 22nd for vaccination rate……

Clearly not one of the highest.

False information about the Hawaii mask mandate. False info about Hawaii being one of the highest vaccinations rates. Let’s add in the fact that you make up words that I say… I think it’s perfectly clear you can’t be trusted.

#25426 2 years ago
Quoted from jitneystand1:

Tourism.
Your entire post is perfect example of why “lies, damned lies, and statistics” is a saying.

There’s no tourism in NJ?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHANA

Take a ride on the Parkway south this weekend and tell me how there’s no tourism in NJ.

#25427 2 years ago
Quoted from Trekkie1978:

I have said the N95 is the mask that stops the spread. It’s the one that filters the virus from going in and going out. The problem is, that isn’t the ones people are wearing.
The ones we are wearing don’t stop the virus, then add in the fact that no one wears it correctly. It’s right on the FDA’s website that they don’t work.

Okay, now maybe I do believe you are just trolling about this as well as you clearly avoided the main point I was making about the definition of ‘stop’ and what ‘working’ means.

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#25428 2 years ago

Saw this on Facebook:

Yes, I'm vaccinated and, no, I don't know what's in the vaccine.

I also don't know what's in Ibuprofen, Tylenol, the Big Mac, hot dogs, flavored nuts, microwave popcorn, margarine, ketchup, instant ramen or frozen dinners.

Neither do I know the long term effect of cell phone use, microwaves, or whether or not that restaurant I just ate at REALLY used clean foods and washed their hands.

In short, there are a lot of things I don't know and probably never will.

I do know I still chose to get my Measles, mumps, shingles, chicken pox, tuberculosis, pneumonia, rubella, HPV and any other vaccines deemed safe and effective because billions are vaccinated and don’t die now. I also know life is short and I want to be able to do something else other than systematically stay away from all its pleasures.

#25429 2 years ago

Today at my employer I was notified that I would need to disclose my vaccination status to HR. Everyone is being logged, immediately.

#25430 2 years ago
Quoted from smalltownguy2:

Today at my employer I was notified that I would need to disclose my vaccination status to HR. Everyone is being logged, immediately.

They asking for proof or is it honor system? Not sure yet but I think my workplace will be honor system.

#25431 2 years ago
Quoted from pinballjah:

Saw this on Facebook:

Brilliant, I like that a lot!!

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#25432 2 years ago
Quoted from skink91:

Okay, now maybe I do believe you are just trolling about this as well as you clearly avoided the main point I was making about the definition of ‘stop’ and what ‘working’ means.

On the FDA website (which I posted). They clearly state that the non-N95 masks, you breathe in and out the virus. So if I don’t wear the mask, I breathe in and out the virus, and if I do wear it, I breathe in and out the virus…then what exactly are the non-N95 masks doing? No one properly wears the non-N95 masks.

This isn’t trolling. If anything, it’s reaffirming that more people need to get vaccinated because that is the only thing that will control the virus.

#25433 2 years ago

I have a cabin in a very rural town and like most of my cabin neighbors, they are mostly beach bums and lefty libertarians. One couple is very libertarian leaning old rockers I get along with great for drinks on the beach and playing music and all. They were against getting vaccinated. In the past 2 weeks the girlfriend contracted Covid, but before knowing she was infected travelled with her family, who all caught it from her. Her aunt is in an ICU, who knows about all the other people they infected while travelling. The guy so far hasn't caught it, he's in his late 50s and more at risk so he's staying isolated from his girlfriend, who's been pretty sick. All completely preventable if they'd gotten vaccinated and she might end up killing her aunt. I don't know why so many people have to wait until someone gets really sick or dies before they figure out the importance of vaccines.

#25434 2 years ago
Quoted from smalltownguy2:

Today at my employer I was notified that I would need to disclose my vaccination status to HR. Everyone is being logged, immediately.

It's happening at my work, vaccines are mandatory by the 15th, which is when everyone will be back in person. I'm hoping it will ease the transition back to in-person work and cut down on outbreaks. I've been working in person for months, everyone is vaccinated, we wear masks in shared areas, and keep socially distanced. So far there have been zero outbreaks, but I expect that to change as the numbers of people around here increase.

#25435 2 years ago

Deaths spiking in your state making you look bad? No worries, just redefine how/when deaths are recorded and presto, you are all good.

“ If you chart deaths by Florida’s new method, based on date of death, it will generally appear — even during a spike like the present — that deaths are on a recent downslope. That’s because it takes time for deaths to be evaluated and death certificates processed. When those deaths finally are tallied, they are assigned to the actual data of death — creating a spike where there once existed a downslope and moving the downslope forward in time.”

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article253796898.html

#25436 2 years ago
Quoted from skink91:

Sorry about the misunderstanding here. I wasn’t meaning to call you out specifically at all, just more mentioning and agreeing with him that people are actually repeatedly replying to him asserting that he holds an anti-vaccine position as well. I should have been more specific myself.

Understand and agree that Trekkie sits in a curious position of wholeheartedly supporting one measure against COVID while vehemently opposing another when in reality they work together to help reduce the spread of the disease.

It’s an odd and confusing position.

#25437 2 years ago
Quoted from Trekkie1978:

But Hawaii is ranked 22nd for vaccination rate……
Clearly not one of the highest.
False information about the Hawaii mask mandate. False info about Hawaii being one of the highest vaccinations rates. Let’s add in the fact that you make up words that I say… I think it’s perfectly clear you can’t be trusted.

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2021/07/30/hawaii-reaches-milestone-60-population-fully-vaccinated/

“ The state reported Thursday that 66.7% of Hawaii residents have at least gotten one dose of the COVID vaccine.”

https://apnews.com/article/health-government-and-politics-coronavirus-pandemic-hawaii-9c6d5bb024194db5157cf6d3b032d9bf

“ Hawaii has one of the highest vaccination rates among the 50 states. So far 65% of the population has received one shot and 58.9% have been fully vaccinated.”

As I said, not worth the keystrokes. Have a good life, bud.

#25438 2 years ago
Quoted from smalltownguy2:

Today at my employer I was notified that I would need to disclose my vaccination status to HR. Everyone is being logged, immediately.

So, are you going to get vaccinated or are you going to walk? If you are already vaccinated, I apologize.

I wonder what those Chicago School bus drivers are going to do when they go to apply for another job and the prospective employer asks their vax status.

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#25439 2 years ago

Thought I'd post this for everyone's benefit. Especially for the vaccine skeptics. This is a snapshot from one of my region's major hospital systems. Showing their current bed status. And bear in mind, South Dakota has around 61% vaccinated. So the pool of unvaccinated is smaller than the pool of vaccinated individuals. That I think makes the chart even more telling.

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#25440 2 years ago
Quoted from PantherCityPins:

Understand and agree that Trekkie sits in a curious position of wholeheartedly supporting one measure against COVID while vehemently opposing another when in reality they work together to help reduce the spread of the disease.
It’s an odd and confusing position.

Not confusing if you view it through a political lens. The anti-masker position is a political stance, not a medical one. They (Abbott, Desantis, others) are embracing the base of the party they will need to win primaries and elections or avoid getting primaried.

Allows them to dually (but dubiously, IMO) claim a pro-vaccine and pro individual freedom stance later, even though the 2 examples I gave are def not pushing vaccines. Lip service is there if you listen close tho.

Unfortunately the anti-mask/freedom hysteria has caused a significant portion of the population to take leave of their common sense and ignore civic duty. People claiming all sorts of nonsense to get around the fact that masks can work to help slow the spread.

#25441 2 years ago
Quoted from DakotaMike:

Thought I'd post this for everyone's benefit. Especially for the vaccine skeptics. This is a snapshot from one of my region's major hospital systems. Showing their current bed status. And bear in mind, South Dakota has around 61% vaccinated. So the pool of unvaccinated is smaller than the pool of vaccinated individuals. That I think makes the chart even more telling.[quoted image]

Careful man, Kristi will come looking for you for posting this shit. You are making her look bad.

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#25442 2 years ago
Quoted from PantherCityPins:

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2021/07/30/hawaii-reaches-milestone-60-population-fully-vaccinated/
“ The state reported Thursday that 66.7% of Hawaii residents have at least gotten one dose of the COVID vaccine.”
https://apnews.com/article/health-government-and-politics-coronavirus-pandemic-hawaii-9c6d5bb024194db5157cf6d3b032d9bf
“ Hawaii has one of the highest vaccination rates among the 50 states. So far 65% of the population has received one shot and 58.9% have been fully vaccinated.”
As I said, not worth the keystrokes. Have a good life, bud.

Let’s just keep redefining words shall we???

The best part, you are using an article from July 15th to determine their rankings for vaccinations. July 15……July 15…..it will be September in a couple hours.

One dose is not vaccinated. It’s a 2 dose regime.

Which still puts them at the 22nd most vaccinated state. If they were in the top 10, then yes, you can say one of the most vaccinated. They are 3 spots from the median….meaning middle, as in, not near the top of the list, but rather just above being halfway down.

Are you ready to admit that you lied about Hawaii getting rid of their indoor mask mandate?

The masks people wear do not work.

You can keep repeating it over and over and over….and guess what, it doesn’t make it true. If people properly (keyword) wear N95 masks, the transmission rate would plummet. Vaccinations wouldn’t be as necessary as they are, but still rather important. Until the other half of the country gets vaccinated, we are going to be dealing with covid in ways we shouldn’t need to anymore. Vaccines are readily available…the people not vaccinated need to stop waiting/refusing and get it.

Hawaii has a mask mandate and Florida doesn’t. Their charts look the same.

Hawaii has a mask mandate and NJ doesn’t. The growth rate is higher in Hawaii, when NJ is the most populous state.

#25443 2 years ago

Whoa, Nellie !!!!

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#25444 2 years ago
Quoted from nwpinball:

I have a cabin in a very rural town and like most of my cabin neighbors, they are mostly beach bums and lefty libertarians.

Your story illustrates how much easier it is becoming to trace the source of the infection of someone who was hospitalised or died of COVID. Previously one could infect people pretty much anonymously.

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#25445 2 years ago
Quoted from smalltownguy2:

Today at my employer I was notified that I would need to disclose my vaccination status to HR. Everyone is being logged, immediately.

Tell them to mail you the vaccine, you’ll take it yourself and fill out your own vaccine card. You know…just like mail in voting

#25446 2 years ago
Quoted from Trekkie1978:

On the FDA website (which I posted). They clearly state that the non-N95 masks, you breathe in and out the virus. So if I don’t wear the mask, I breathe in and out the virus, and if I do wear it, I breathe in and out the virus…then what exactly are the non-N95 masks doing? No one properly wears the non-N95 masks.
This isn’t trolling. If anything, it’s reaffirming that more people need to get vaccinated because that is the only thing that will control the virus. Also, yes of course vaccinating also has so far proven effective in reducing hospitalizations.

Masks are about reducing virus spread, not 100% eliminating virus spread which is not possible due to human error even if you had the perfect self contained bubble environment.
You seem to be stuck on the 100% effective argument without accepting that reducing virus transmission is important in keeping the hospitals from being swamped. Also, of course vaccinations have also proven so far to be effective in reducing hospitalizations.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/face-masks-really-do-matter-the-scientific-evidence-is-growing-11595083298

#25447 2 years ago

There's been a study that seems to indicate that the moderna vaccine seems to result in the production of more antibodies than the pfizer vaccine. That said, there were no conclusions as of yet what that could mean--if anything--about which vaccine might be more effective or if there was longer duration of protection with one over the other.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-31/moderna-jab-spurs-double-pfizer-covid-antibody-levels-in-study

Anecdotally, back when the floodgates opened for just about everyone being able to get the vaccine for the first time and everyone was comparing how things were going, it seemed like many of the people I talked to who took the moderna vaccine seemed to have a much stronger reaction to it than the pfizer vaccine. I guess it could make sense that if the moderna vaccine provoked a stronger immune response that there would be something to show for that. But, this is just an unsubstantiated observation with a giant leap in the middle.

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#25448 2 years ago
Quoted from embryonjohn:

Tell them to mail you the vaccine, you’ll take it yourself and fill out your own vaccine card. You know…just like mail in voting

Washington state has had mail in voting as the default in every election for over 10 years now with no issues. I literally have my ballot dropped off in my mailbox and can drop it into a mail collection box at multiple locations within a 5 minute walk. I don't know what the fuck kind of political point you're trying to make here but it's bullshit.

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#25449 2 years ago
Quoted from DCFAN:

Masks are about reducing virus spread, not 100% eliminating virus spread which is not possible due to human error even if you had the perfect self contained bubble environment.
You seem to be stuck on the 100% effective argument without accepting that reducing virus transmission is important in keeping the hospitals from being swamped. Also, of course vaccinations have also proven so far to be effective in reducing hospitalizations.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/face-masks-really-do-matter-the-scientific-evidence-is-growing-11595083298

Hawaii has masks. Florida doesn’t. Charts are identical.

If masks worked as said, the charts would not match. That right there is real world data.

I can’t spell it out any easier.

Then you have NJ having slower growth than Hawaii…without masks in a state where a vast majority or on top of each other.

Honestly, I just don’t get it. All the data shows there has only been 1 thing that has any effect on reducing transmission…vaccines. Our leaders are doing an awful job in partnering with industry, to help get the numbers up. The only thing driving the numbers up, is when people experience a spike. In NJ, we have gotten a minor increase in vaccine doses given. It’s not enough. Come the winter, we are going to get clobbered with numbers we’ve never seen before due to delta.

All the ex presidents should be working together to get the message out in the communities where they are popular. Places like Disney, should have vaccination locations at park entrances, every concert and sporting event too. These are the perfect places to be using the J&J shot.

We do have pop up blood donation sites. Maybe I don’t go out of my way to the blood center, but it if the truck is out front of Best Buy, I walk in and donate.

There’s a certain percent that will never take it, no matter what. The percent that just hasn’t gotten around to it, that’s where we need to make it extremely easy for them to get it.

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