I'm glad those are being reported and they are checking it out. But do you know what poses a much higher risk of myocarditis and pericarditis than the vaccines? Actually contracting Covid-19.

https://www.hcplive.com/view/science-understand-myocarditis-covid-19

Yeah I posted a satirical version of this and got moderated in the “Let’s close this thread down” thread.
Same about the cruise too.

Newish data from the British PHE on the delta variant suggests it is 60% more transmissible than alpha with 2.2x hospitalizations.

Britain is roughly comparable to USA in vaccination rate. The delta variant has become dominant there. Delta is present in the USA, but is not dominant yet (edit: delta is roughly doubling every few weeks here. 8 weeks-ish it should be dominant).

Britain is seeing a nearly 3x spike in cases, nearly all delta, nearly all in the unvaccinated population. Levels are still well below peak thanks in no small part to the vaccines.

Well this is sort of curious...

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source data:

https://files.catbox.moe/0vwcmj.pdf

This is an example of the media stories we are getting here anyway...

razorsedge why is it curious?

I was just talking with my sister in-law today about this subject. She is a doctor in internal medicine and also has a son in this age category. She even said that not only covid disease can cause myocarditis but that common flu bugs often cause inflammation of the heart (myocarditis). The chances of a young man having serious complications from the vaccine are much less than the possibility of complications from having the virus by a large factor.

One of the better and most succinct explanations I've seen of the mRNA vaccines and their benefits over traditional vaccines, specifically in response to anti-vaxx rhetoric:

mRNA doesn't change your genetic sequence in any way. It is the exact same intermediate - and temporary - kind of material that your cells generate internally all the time as part of your normal cell processes, and all that the mRNA vaccines do is to add a dose their own specialized sequence that then makes your normal cell machinery generate that spike protein so that your body learns how to recognize it.

The half-life of mRNA is a few hours. Any injected mRNA will be all gone from your body in a day or two. It doesn't change anything long-term, except for that natural "your body now knows how to recognize and fight off a new foreign protein" (which then tends to fade over time too, but lasts a lot longer than a few days). And yes, while your body learns to fight off that foreign material, you may feel like shit for a while. That's normal, and it's your natural response to your cells spending resources on learning how to deal with the new threat.

And of the vaccines, the mRNA ones are the most modern, and the most targeted - exactly because they do *not* need to have any of the other genetic material that you traditionally have in a vaccine (ie no need for basically the whole - if weakened - bacterial or virus genetic material). So the mRNA vaccines actually have *less* of that foreign material in them than traditional vaccines do. And a *lot* less than the very real and actual COVID-19 virus that is spreading in your neighborhood.

https://science.slashdot.org/story/21/06/12/2210219/linus-torvalds-tells-anti-vaxxer-to-shut-up-on-linux-mailing-list

You know life is returning to normal when there’s a Marlin Man sighting.

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I was a marlin man in April!!

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Did you eat em mid rare?

I go through this explanation on a nearly daily basis. I actually found and printed out diagrams showing how mRNA works and how an mRNA vaccine works. I emphasize that the vaccine mRNA doesn’t even enter the nucleus of the cell.

Seems like most people I see who haven’t gotten vaccinated bring up the “it will alter my DNA” stuff most frequently. The anti-vaxxers are pushing hard.

Here’s a question. We know that China and Russia are putting misinformation onto social media in this country. It stands to reason that the longer the US is saddled with significant amounts of COVID the longer our economy will suffer and the better for China and Russia.

What are the chances that at least some of the anti-vaccine stuff out there is coming from communist countries?

In other news, the BS lawsuit in Houston brought by those refusing to be vaccinated and thus put on suspension by Houston Methodist hospital system has been dismissed. https://www.axios.com/houston-methodist-covid-vaccine-mandate-lawsuit-dismissed-60523938-5f6b-4bc7-a75e-f574640a0f19.html

The judges ruling is interesting, it really tears apart the entire argument by the plaintiff and says the following: "Bridges (the lead plaintiff) can freely choose to accept or refuse a COVID-19 vaccine; however, if she refuses she will simply need to find work somewhere else." To that I say "DUH".

That is a very good question!

I don't know honestly mate. I guess that is part of what curiosity is?.

Should we think it is a bad idea to ask a core inventor (the inventor) of mRNA technology?

https://www.rwmalonemd.com/mrna-vaccine-inventor

Who by the way now vocally declares mRNA (specifically in LNP package) not safe for use in humans based on results coming in. In a group discussion. Both guests have gotten the jab, both are now seriously questioning, for many reasons.

Just saying ... don't shoot the messenger!

https://trialsitenews.com/should-you-get-vaccinated/

The third in the round table discussion is an evolutionary biologist PhD.

Dr. Robert Malone is the inventor of mRNA Vaccine technology.
Steve Kirsch is a serial entrepreneur who has been researching adverse reactions to COVID vaccines.
Dr. Bret Weinstein is an evolutionary biologist.

Anyhow, seemed like public interest to me... appropriate discussion between people directly associated and qualified in a variety of ways.

There is fiery debate between the three as they are each unique fields, but people should decide for themselves I'd say.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCi5N_uAqApEUIlg32QzkPlg

I have all my Vaccinations up to date, always have. Just so that is out there.

I also would like to have kids.

00:20:00 - The first bit that personally sorta really made me go ..."Huhh? ... excuse me What?? (t a f)?".

If this is being ignored, that is not balance. It's also void of conscience or due diligence.

Censorship is not science. Yet this is what is blatantly and demonstrably going on.

It should be about science, but it is politicised and monetised. So the science is suppressed, censored and ignored by instruction. As demonstrated. Rather than discussed openly, published in papers, and widely reviewed (like it is supposed to be). To parrot empty paid commercial scientician narative, then to say no evidence otherwise (ignore or selectively exclude by unqualified administration), when there actually is alot of (albeit highly suppressed) scientific, trial, and study evidence, is being hyper hypocritical.

By definition, political or financial bias is not science.

From your link.

" The judge said the public interest in "caring for patients during a pandemic far outweighs protecting the vaccination preferences of 116 employees," noting the staff were "jeopardizing" their own health" and that of others."

Seems to me this same argument could be applied with regards to the cruise ship industry wanting vaccination passports and state governors wanting to bury anything to do with passports.

This pic was lifted ( screen captured ) from a news site talking about the Houston hospital protesters. Looks like the anti-vaxxers have a presence at this protest. I'm surprised there are no carnival barkers flashing 666 signs. .
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It all reminds of disgraced TV preacher Jim Bakker who was hawking a product called Silver Solution as a means of curing Covid 19 back in March 2020 when we were just starting to learn about Covid.

Here is link with the video of Bakker hawking this useless fluid.

https://www.poz.com/article/tv-preacher-jim-bakker-suggests-125-product-kills-coronavirus-hiv

This link shows this:

https://www.clickorlando.com/inside-edition/2020/03/04/is-silver-solution-the-new-cure-for-the-coronavirus-experts-say-its-a-fraud/

“This is amazing…order silver now,” said Bakker on his TV program the Jim Baker Show recently.
You can buy a case of it on Bakker’s website for $300.
Bakker states: “It’s been tested…It works on everything.”

“This influenza that is now circling the globe, you're saying that silver solution would be effective?” Bakker asked guest Sherrill Sellman.
“Well, let's say it hasn't been tested on this strain of the coronavirus, but it's been tested on other strains of the coronavirus and has been able to eliminate it within 12 hours. Totally eliminates it. Kills it,” she responded. "
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Thankfully, the govt. shut him down.

https://www.kansascity.com/news/coronavirus/article242225266.html
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I first learned of Silver Solution when I drove my 81 year old sister-in-law to visit her 89 year old sister, Mary. Mary had 5 or 6 bottles of this junk laying around. I read the label. This crap "cure-all" costs $30.00 a bottle and if you dose yourself to the schedule on the label you will be spending $60.00 per month. Minimum. ( If you have aging parents, you might want to see what is on this shelves. You don't wanting them wasting your inheritance on this junk ).

My S-I-L and her sister are the kind who listen to, and believe, the anti-vaxers. They are not alone. It is sad.

Does this sound familiar?

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-thursday-edition-1.5487122/doctor-warns-of-coronavirus-hucksters-after-televangelist-jim-bakker-pitches-fake-cure-1.5487125

" Bakker's staff insisted to the Washington Post that the product is effective against myriad health issues, but provided no evidence. "

"but provided no evidence. "
"but provided no evidence. "
"but provided no evidence. "
"but provided no evidence. "

Good. I also hope companies such as airlines, cruise lines, etc that want to implement vaccine requirements for customers also can do so now. I'm growing tired of the excuses and misinformation campaign of the antivax faction.

These are not reputable media channels... and the odds the guy that wrote that Trial News opinion is actually vaccinated for Covid like he claims are very slim. He has an agenda that reads identically to every hardcore anti vax friend I've discussed this issue with. Dont shoot the messenger.

Dr. Malone is a legit scientist/MD and has lots of published work in various areas. But promoting himself as THE inventor of mRNA vaccines is a little like Henry Ford claiming to be the inventor of my 2020 F350 Turbo Diesel pick up with heated and cooled seats and satellite radio. Malone's mRNA work seems to have taken place very early - mostly late 1980's. He seems to spend a lot of time talking about how 'his' invention of mRNA vaccines has been uncredited. He also helps create clinical trials of Ivermectin and Famotidine. A casual/headline only reader might believe he had something significant to do with the current vaccine, he did not.

Here is the original article that includes razorsedge chart, written by a non-doctor/scientist, but retweeted/promoted by Malone. https://trialsitenews.com/should-you-get-vaccinated/. This article also uses the discredited, but still promoted, Tucker Carlson VAERS "over 20,000 dead from the vaccine" number. It also suggests that Ivermectin and HCQ type treatments would have prevented 594,000 of the 600,000 deaths from Covid in the USA, if only doctors knew how to administer them and Fauci and big Pharma weren't trying to squash them bc of money to be made or whatever.

So Malone - who vigorously defends himself as normally very pro-vaccine - is now the new darling of the anti-vax crowd. SSDD.

Steve Kirsch
The dude who claims 28,000+ have died from the vaccine and will be showing the world the proof any day now. Just click subscribe.

Bret Weinstein
He’s got a whole host of conspiracy theories dating back years. With covid conspiracies, you name it and he has promoted it.

Especially promoted junk science on things like ivermectin and the lab leak. Maybe both are true, but his “proof” belongs on the back of a medicine man tonic.

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Both of those two are widely discredited and have zero background in lipid transferrin the body so…Don’t really know why they factor into your graphic.

My opinion is these two are shills selling a product.

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Edit: between these two and your last sentence I think you are strongly suggesting that women’s ovaries are being damaged to the point of sterility by the vaccine.

This. Is. False.

Multiple scientific studies consistently provide strong evidence to the contrary

I can also provide personal anecdotal evidence. I happen to know a woman who got vaccine while pregnant and just had a healthy baby and one who got pregnant after both her and her husband being vaccinated. I will let you know in 8 months or so whether my baby has gills.

Just because we grew up with TV doesn't mean all of our learning comes from watching TV.

What happens if covid spikes again? Will the vaccine be mandarory and forced twice a year or something similar? Will unemployment bonuses come back?lockdown and forced layoffs?

How much more money can the fed print? Before its a serious issue

It's curious that he has no sources for his most outlandish claims.

So how does your agenda read then?

The legacy corporate media is what has a bad reputation for most thinking folk, proven they will happily lie compulsively for money, today they are void of credibility and literally nothing sensible to offer when asked to back up or actually prove what they "say". This can be quite easily discovered. But not by looking directly at the magician and ignoring all he wants you to ignore.

You go just by guesswork and odds?? ... and can't seem to refute the claims of the inventor?? ... while not caring about hundreds of thousands of lives?

To me you are arguing for the unbelievable, and against the demonstrated (although suppressed).

Is that because there is no argument against what the inventing doctor has found? . Or because you have completely and vacuously ignored the information, which is in fact from the credible sources and people on site? (not just those in the interview but also the other recorded instances they show, that others ask to have presented and which they did). Are you saying you are unbiased and get information from a wide range of sources as the legitimate and actually competent scientists do? . Demonising by big money is a given. If people just take vacuous hearsay and parrot it, that is a problem.

Your paid off vested interest big media scienticians are simply acting and speaking against the real world outcomes, for their dubious narrative, against nature/reality, and blatantly contradict the evidence that has now become very clear. Good at doctoring books at least, anyway.

Listening to highly paid fools on your tv, instead of actually investigating yourself, I'm sure that is going to work out well. After all the govt is here to help!!

It would pay to unstick your heads from the sand, stop ignoring the real world, maybe glance outside the echo chambers sometimes. Lol

None of my vested interests. Just caring and sharing, you know. Hoping for more people to start doing the same, for their own welfare and those they care aboot, their families and loved ones. Actually, everyone mate including you!. All people. By all means you can choose to ignore information which is from the horses mouth, which should absolutely be considered or heard, and is alarming. If ignoring and pretending floats your boat... hiding from realities... be in denial then!.

But some people still appreciate Informed Consent, even if you do not.

I can at least look back and say I did try!

Really this thread is an eye opener to how this could have happened, for sure!!!

*Also you conflate your group identity label "anti-vaxxer" with the right label which is "anti-human lab experiment-er". Nor are any of these people "anti-vaxers", contrary to your thought. This is just a marketing cry for trying to shut off perfectly valid argument in the open narrative, just like you attempt to here. But then there is the censorship problem for science that undermines it, which happens all around. Thank you for caring.

Denial, but no ability to discredit anything legitimately.

Also interestingly, arguing without evidence?

At least this material is backed up with plenty of data. Also this is all concurrent with the same type of coverup in the UK and also now exposed here. All with independent investigations of their own countries reporting, and verified by what is happening around us. Ignore at your peril, honestly.

V's a handful of money hungry actors pretending to care. They just care more about money or their reputation than the welfare of their fellow man.

Also, if you actually considered any of the content Without Your bias, like actually watched any, you might have learned something, which it seems clear you didn't really, especially about the out of patent drugs, and not being allowed to cure people. I find the ignorance pretty abhorrent, I must say. Disgusting even. Makes some of the posts by people in here stand out as careless.

Seriously, Snap out of the hypnosis you lot. It is getting a bit sickening already. Ignorance can easily be deadly.

I certainly hope that is true.

If it did come just from telly that would definitely explain alot, like why there are all of these panicky confused people circling.

Any amount of tv for "news reporting" is an issue though, so it now appears. They are in damage control and it is really starting to show out. Mojority of population is tuned out from the legacy media now anyhow, they are going keep tight grip on whomever is left listening in a bid to pad the exodus. Revenue on the slide. More lies exposed and proven by documentation. Big tech will surely fill the fear gap though. There is no "reporting" on tv "news". It's like a bad joke.

Learning and being told are actually very different things. Learning certainly does not come from ignorance, that is for sure. It also takes effort, so lazy isn't going far either. Getting hypnotised or brainwashed, only have to lay down for that to occur. Relax, and take in the Fear-Fog.

razorsedge

I feel like our logic trains just whizz past each other in the middle of the night without ever meeting.

Like two colorblind kids describing the color red.

Pretty sure we both think the other one is the table.

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We will see in 12 weeks or so if this prediction for covid in the USA comes true.

(Prediction by Bob Wachter Chair, UCSF Dept of Medicine.)

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1404151502864883713.html

This seems like pretty valid prediction. Vaccinations, masks and the weather (especially) has helped curve the numbers tremendously - for now. Covid is probably going to rally again in fall/winter once people start to spend more time inside.

"Sadly, ~50% of the U.S. (>age 12) remains unvaccinated, and in certain states (mostly southern), it’s more like 2/3rds. We know that a small # of vaccinated people will get breakthru infections, but they’ll rarely get very sick & will almost never die of Covid."

"Unvaccinated people remain at high risk of getting Covid... if they’re exposed to it. that this is the most dangerous time for unvaccinated people (without prior Covid), since their bodies are no better."

People may have to capitulate and get the vaccine (with proof of) if an employer deems it so. Employers require certain things for work i.e. punctuality, dress code, drug tests etc. Our national debt (and interest) is a problem but haven't seen the repercussions from it yet but it will eventually affect the economy. I wouldn't expect any more stimulus checks or lock downs. We have the past experience, knowledge tools to to get out of this now.

Well see in a few weeks if Astrazenica starts making a profit.

https://www.businessinsider.com/astrazeneca-promises-no-profits-can-call-end-pandemic-next-year-2020-10

Sorry to interrupt all the fascinating conspiracy theories but a relevant scientific article is in the upcoming issue of Nature: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03696-9

Here’s an excerpt from the abstract: “Vaccination increases all components of the humoral response, and as expected, results in serum neutralizing activities against variants of concern that are comparable to or greater than neutralizing activity against the original Wuhan Hu-1 achieved by vaccination of naive individuals… The data suggest that immunity in convalescent individuals will be very long lasting and that convalescent individuals who receive available mRNA vaccines will produce antibodies and memory B cells that should be protective against circulating SARS-CoV-2 variants.”

So, the good news is that B cell immune response appears to be durable up to 12 months and is augmented by vaccination. The bad news is that wild type COVID immunity may not be effective against variants like the Delta variant that is becoming the dominant strain in the US currently. The other good news though is that vaccination seems to be more effective against variants vs wild type immunity.

So, even if you have had COVID we have scientific evidence here that the vaccine will still provide you benefit.

The variants from India (bodies floating in the river and burning all around)and from the U.K. are easier to transfer and make you sicker faster.They arent coming they are here.Who will they come for ?the unmasked and unvaccinated so roll those bones with you and your neighbors and families lives.Your playing dodge ball and you may not be lucky every game.

Are there any other kinds of TV preacher?

This shit is totally nuts!

I wonder if pension managers will require retirees to get the vaccine? Same with the Social Security admin.
They may decide to discourage the vaccine.

I think I summarized this a little in my post a little earlier:

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/the-official-coronavirus-containment-thread/page/461#post-6314892

Here’s what I’ve learned from corona:
Media can do no wrong
Government can do no wrong
Doctors can do no wrong
Scientists can do no wrong
There is no such thing as an overall agenda
Anyone that thinks otherwise is wrong
Anyone that questions the mainstream is wrong
Anyone that requires/requests/initiates further explanation to calm doubt is wrong

Razorsedge, you could post "Wake up, Sheeple!" and save your fingers some work and get the same message across.

Good to hear, I’ve had Covid(asymptomatic) and am fully vaccinated.

My work has officially announced vaccines will be required to work in person again and that all staff are expected to work in person again by September 13th, unless otherwise arranged with their manager. I'm totally OK with that, it gives people 3 months to find a new job if they don't want to comply with the safety standards of the workplace.

What? You lost me after about the 10th paragraph.

I thought you said you were up to date on your vaccines? Sounds to me like you share just about every concern or conspiracy circulating in the anti-vaxx community.

If you haven't received it yet and have no plans to do so, how come you're making the claim you are up to date in one post and then throwing all this out in the next?

where did you get this fox tabloid news

how many people must we lose before we work together,600,000 dead answers the question nothing business.divided we fall

Literally nobody is saying this.

I live in NYC, the one time epicenter of the pandemic. Yesterday I went into Target on 10th avenue without a mask for beef jerky and some diet Snapple, and then I dined inside at a Dim Sum place that was fully packed. Ok, I'll admit I wore a mask inside the pharmacy when I was picking up my meds this morning, but it hardly felt like a concentration camp.

WHere are you guys getting this shit?! I mean even Fox News probably isn't claiming we are still living in some dystopian, masked, home-imprisonment hellhole (ok I'll admit I haven't been to California lately)

Here's what I've learned from you:

Science is lies. Government is lies. Everything is lies, to control us and force us to..uh...watch HBO Max for a year?

If you want to find the truth, you need to watch random youtube links - That's where the real information is!