Actually…many employers require you can’t drink or smoke. Mine certainly did in regards to drinking. You literally couldn’t even use mouth wash within 24 hrs of reporting to work.

The problem I see is that my medical history is nobody’s business. In Canada we even have laws for privacy around health issues.

But the whole world is butting heads on the topic of vaccination. My boss should not know wether or not I have had the shot, it’s none of their business. But this is different some how. I’m fairly sure that being required to show vaccination cards would go against our charter of rights and freedoms. Yet for travel they will be required.

Your desire for safety buts right up against my desire for privacy. Where does the line get drawn? I plan to get the shot, I’ve registered for it, but it shouldn’t need to be public knowledge.

We’re far from figuring out the correct course of action, and I assume more mistakes will be made along the way.

Workers should have a right to a safe workspace and expectation of their employer to providing one.

At least none of those things sound bad.

These are total numbers, not for one day. See link below:

https://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=death+statistics+after+second+dose+of+covid+vaccine&d=4996554709407467&mkt=en-CA&setlang=en-US&w=xoOtYFBsORDgK5bbSotfhCeQGKyvxGwa

If you want to pass yourself off as an Aussie , just swear a lot .
If I had known my Willie would shrink to the size of a cocktail wennie , I would have given it more thought .

Actually the Yankees getting covid was good sign from what i understand for the type of vaccine they had.They all got the Johnson & Johnson shot and all except 1 were asymptomatic which is exactly what that shot is suppose to do. I feel the J&J is the worst option out of all 3 that we have available here in US but at least its keeping people from getting hospitalized. The double shots, specificly the Pfizer and Moderna are suppose to help with the "passing this stuff around" part of the problem.

Once the official approval happens is when things are going to get messy. Military i could see all being required to be vaccinated. Sick soldiers put the country in a weakened position is what they will say. Imagine a battleship with Covid running rampant full of sick soldiers vs a battleship fully vaccinated.

If im wrong please correct me because I hate the spread of misinformation.

It's only a matter of time before "What about cars. Are you saying we should ban cars?!?" gets introduced!

Vietnam says they have detected a British/Indian hybrid variant.

Tuyệt vời

https://apnews.com/article/vietnam-india-coronavirus-pandemic-health-c4c0a7c9f2e3b03c9cea2bf6fdcad70d

Actually, it was not known known. The recruiters don't exactly go around talking that stuff. The recruiters like to hammer on about all of the girls you will see in the ports of the south seas islands. Or they talk about the education you will be getting. Or the free medical etc. They do not talk about you getting your head shaved, or marching at all hours of the day. They don't talk about that. You find all that stuff out when you get off the bus at boot camp.

That is the way I understand it, too. Sounds like a good argument to keep wearing masks for awhile longer.

Like comparing a uniform to injecting something into my body?

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-usa-employers/us-agency-says-employers-can-mandate-covid-19-vaccination-idUSL3N2NG010

U.S. companies can mandate that employees in a workplace must be vaccinated against COVID-19, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) said on Friday.

The EEOC, in a statement posted on its website explaining its updated guidance, said employees can be required to be vaccinated as long as employers comply with the reasonable accommodation provisions of the Americans with Disabilities Act and other laws.

For me I think we draw the line between privacy and mandatory vaccines for workers when its a pandemic and over half a million people have passed.Your medical history should never be available without permission but this is a special situation where your only sharing shot or not.

Seems to me that if your employer decides that it is in their customers and their businesses best interest for you to be vaccinated then they can require you to be vaccinated in order to keep your job. You then have the option of leaving and finding work elsewhere. You don’t get to dictate the terms of your employment. As long as they aren’t discriminating on the basis of race, religion sexual orientation, etc. then it’s their business and their right.

This really isn’t new, lots of jobs that can cause public harm have strict requirements, airline pilots, air traffic controllers, doctors, police officers, etc.

Health Canada just extended the expiry date of the Astra Zeneca vaccine by a month. (From 6 months to 7)

About 50,000 doses were set to expire Monday (May 31st). But now it'll be July 1st.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/astrazeneca-covid19-vaccine-expiry-date-1.6045685

US capitalist "At will" employment cuts in many ways. It is interesting that many that defend the employer's right to fire employees for trivial things (or for no reason at all) with no financial consequences to the employer are defending the employee when it comes to employer vaccine requirements.

This guy used to be a 33 year old anti-laxer.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9629517/Anti-vaxxer-sheriff-33-killed-COVID-posting-immune-system.html

https://www.yahoo.com/news/anti-vaxxer-sheriffs-deputy-dies-120803899.html

Health Canada couldn't find tits in a strip joint. They could not have done a worse job handling the pandemic. The knee jerk way they change their policies damages their credibility. From the no masks to mask always or go find a glory hole (wtf was Tam thinking?) and now the way the vaccines can be mixed and matched and the span between doses to 4 months or longer. People can't even book the 2nd dose yet even after 3 months. Not a lot of faith in them.

I like the explanation
“Ehhh just don’t worry about it. Initially we used science to determine a safe shelf life but now that we might have to throw these out pfffft science-shmience, think of the money we will save. Sure it’ll spook you but just don’t think about it.” -Doctor

It is also possible that science has determined the original estimate was off a bit......you know...like the age of the universe.....or....the fact that the earth actually orbits the Sun and not the other way around.....etc....

I drank milk today that expired 2 days ago according to the date printed....didn't even curdle in coffee.....

Its hard to feel sorry for people like this especially since he was mocking it so confidently. "I have an immune system". Yeah, but its no match for some viruses i.e. COVID19. You live and you learn I guess.

I consider it a privilege to work not a right. I think if you work in place where you interface with the public in a routine fashion i.e. food/hospitality, medical, dentistry you should be vaccinated. As a customer I would hope everyone in those industries would be conscious enough to do so. Health and safety should be priority.

Now a days everything is photographed and videoed so if you do something embarrassing, controversial or illegal its an employers right to not employ you. You're also a representative of the company and its reputation. Take for example this imbecile that climbed a fence at a zoo and fed the monkeys hot Cheetos. She was fired even though it was outside of work.

https://www.newsweek.com/woman-fired-allegedly-feeding-monkeys-hot-cheetos-texas-zoo-1595097

Damn, the second deputy in that department to die of Covid in a month. They whole department has been vaccine eligible since January, even had a $500 incentive to do it. The department is going to consider it a death in the line duty - which basically makes it a workers comp death and increases his benefits. If it is considered an occupational hazard for them, makes you wonder why the vaccine is optional.

His death will be attributed to Covid, but what really killed this 33 year old man was anti-vax propaganda. If you read the story, the guy had created a social media bubble that reinforced his poor decision. In my opinion, anti-vaxxers, anti-maskers, and others in this category helped to kill this man and leave a kid with no dad and widow.

The people that were drafted in the military had no say in the shots that were given to them. I'm pretty sure that many of those shots were not even emergency use authorized, especially in the 50's and 60's.

Employers can demand blood and urine drug tests before and during the time one is employed. One can accept it, walk away or get fired if that is their policy.

Science has become politicized in Canada.

- Mixing vaccines
- extending 2nd doses beyond the manufacturers recommendation.
- extending expiration dates set by the manufacturers.
- raiding the COVAX supply bin from third world countries.

I'm at the point where I don't even listen to Dr. Tam, our graphic designer health Minister or Health Canada anymore. The CDC is much more credible.

But yea....whoever wants to be a guinea pig and get an expired vaccine shot, go to town.

You missed the point. But sure compare a gallon of milk to a pandemic vaccine because that argument will actually hold in this echo chamber of a thread.

Exactly! Politics interfering with science is not only a Canadian problem.

And if the expiration date was another week out but the milk was sour you would bitch because the milk producer “ripped you off” with product going bad early.

Expiration dates are a “best to use by date” beyond which time the producer is telling you they don’t guarantee performance or flavor.

I recently had to clean out my deceased neighbor’s house. The tuna fish had expired in 2015 and still tasted great. The can of condensed milk that expired in 2016 was pure garbage.

We went to Busch Gardens and had dinner at a Texas Roadhouse this weekend. Busch Gardens was not bad at all. Texas Roadhouse felt weird. It was really good though. That was our first meal out in a year and a half more or less. I think a couple weeks from now will be telling....

*I hope this isn’t too political*

The “special situation” is the crux of the argument. In Canada we have the charter of rights and freedoms, it includes things like, the government can’t limit our travel, in of, out of, or around the country. It also says we can get together in groups and in church. So the anti-mask/anti-vax crowd is yelling that lockdown is against our rights. (They may be right) but they usually overlook the very first part of the charter.

1) Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.

Does the pandemic and state of emergency provide excuse for “reasonable limits” or could the lockdown be “demonstrable justified” the courts will have to decide.

look, I don't really care...The milk thing was just a joke.... but just to be clear, the point is that "science" has to adapt and re evaluate.....that is what "science" is.... a verb, not a noun.
This has been a reoccurring theme in the difficulties for some in understanding why Dr Fauci (among others) has changed public health policy recommendations for how to best deal with the pandemic in regards to PPE
...as well as how long the vaccine is effective/fresh/....etc

No....No I wouldn't.

I agree with adapting after further study. But let’s be clear, that is NOT the reason Fauci changed anything and if anyone actually believes that then a whole entire thread should be dedicated to explanation.

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Step right up folks!!!

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/canada-mixing-covid-19-vaccines-astrazeneca-pfizer-moderna-naci-1.6048152
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*should be a Canadian flag in the background instead

Fauci-bashing is so 2020.

Is that not science? Evolve your guidelines, theories as newer and better evidence/Data is discovered. Science is data driven - it does not mean that your theory is 100% day one. Not only that but the reason science works is because others are constantly challenging it with - guess what more science. It isn’t burying your head in the sand and saying I believe what I want to believe.

Science does not mean that its conclusions are always right but it does provide the basis for informed decision making. Educated guesswork (research) is still better than uninformed nonsense.

Exactly why clinical trials have been completed in the past before released to the general public.

Or done on day 100 or 1000. A sample size of 450 doesn't give me much confidence either. But yea....whoever wants to lineup and roll up their sleeve for this can go to town.

We wouldnt even be discussing this if our (Canada) vaccine procurement was done properly. I guess putting all your chips into the Chinese Cansino vaccine program first before our American partners backfired. And these are the resulting consequences.

Well said.

The cases and deaths charts are starting to look real good. Maybe we are over the hump.

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This thread has always skirted around the edges of the politics and Covid has turned into a political football. There is really not much left about Covid to talk about except the politics. I would love to talk the politics but since I am not interested in being moderated anymore ( it has been awhile) I think I will just lurk for awhile.

I have enjoyed reading everybody's opinions and diatribes.

Hugs and kisses.

Not sure how slow procurement relates to people who won’t roll up their sleeves and get vaccinated. Even with adequate supplies it wouldn’t make any difference to those folks. 2 totally different issues here.

While ago I took our vaccination cards and had copies made, and had the copies laminated.

That way we can leave the originals at home for potential future use, and the copies will not get worn while carrying them.

End of June for me and the wife to get our second shot if it doesn't get sped up quicker here in Saskatchewan. Wife and I were talking last night about Mephis BBQ and Beale Street as our next trip whenever we can travel and things are back open again.

You are absolutely right with all this. However…..The point that’s not being addressed is so much conclusion is now influenced rather than reported as is.

Life nowadays is this kind of example:

“Yes 3+3=6 but before you tell the masses we really need 3+3 to equal 5.5 for the time being. That way our sponsors are happy that the findings are in their favor and then we can revisit the actual answer being 6 once some of the dust settles.”

The problem we have is people think anyone with a lab coat on and a degree automatically translates to being honest angels that can do no wrong and aren’t influenced by money.

I think you misread what I wrote. I never said anything about those not wanting to be vaccinated.

I'm talking about those not wanting to get vaccinated with mix-n-match vaccines as a second dose. Two completely different things.

And the failed procurement process directly related to this new mix-n-match vaccine policy because we didn't place our order(s) in a timely manner with the US and were late to the table. Putting all our eggs in the CanSino program blew up in our faces and now we're basically having real time clinical trials that will be done on the public for political reasons.

If we procured enough from each manufacturer(s) we wouldn't even be entertaining the idea of mixing-n-matching vaccines as a second shot. Hence why the failed procurement relates directly to this new mix-n-match policy.

Science evolves, I get that. But this is rushing something to save political face. And I'm not a fan of that.

And back to you Cotton!

I received Dose #1 in Detroit. I went for dose #2 in Las Vegas at a pharmacy. I was asked which brand I wanted for dose #2. I specified what I wanted before giving the tech my card showing which brand I got with dose 1.

I agree that politics and money do influence science and introduce bias for sure but for the most part Western society does a decent job of keeping it at bay. Politicians are supposed to bring people with differences together, however, the trend is for them to find wedge issues and drive everyone apart which is too bad because we are capable of such greatness when working together.

What kind of ID did you need to provide for dose #2 in Las Vegas? Is it a walk-in service? Thanks for the details.

cottonm4 keep an eye on Vietnam (and Southeast Asia writ large) but otherwise keep on truckin