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#22402 3 years ago

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Utesichiban

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Quoted from DaveH:
I'm totally fine with people faking the cards. If someone is so desperate that they want to fake being vaccinated to be among people without masks during a pandemic, go ahead. The only people they could actually hurt are themselves, other liars at the event, their state, their country, the world, and mankind in general. Have at it.

Hmm, interesting way of looking at it. I view these people as dishonest, selfish and disagree. If caught with a fraudulent card attending an, event or flying where the rules mandate vaccination, they should also be prosecuted accordingly.

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#22403 3 years ago

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Protect yourself, it’s not up to other people for your protection.

#22404 3 years ago

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Utesichiban

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Quoted from ForceFlow:
India sets new world record - 314k new covid cases:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/india-sets-world-record-new-covid-cases-314k-n1264895
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india/
All I can say is that India was being completely irresponsible. How did they expect things to go when they lifted restrictions without any significant vaccination numbers?
Then again, many areas in India aren't exactly known for their sanatation and hygene. As of late 2020, open defecation was still a serious problem:
https://www.cnet.com/news/india-spent-30-billion-to-fix-its-broken-sanitation-it-ended-up-with-more-problems/
France is already saying nope to travelers coming from India and enforcing quarantine measures:
https://www.politico.eu/article/france-to-lift-coronavirus-lockdown-measures/
https://www.reuters.com/world/india/france-impose-quarantine-travelers-coming-five-countries-2021-04-22/
Singapore is also enforcing additional quarantine measures for travelers from India:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-04-20/singapore-to-tighten-border-measures-for-travelers-from-india

I read that China will allow anyone into their country without quarantine as long as they have received a Chinese vaccine. I think this is because few countries outside of China use their vaccines so it solves the problem of letting anyone in

Jokes aside,, talk about nationalism run amok. The Chinese vaccines to this point have shown to be the least effective of anything currently approved globally (50% if you believe the data that they even work that well). With a 50% efficacy rate, it would seem foolish for China to let those vaccinated with a Chinese vaccine in if they want to prevent spread of Covid in their country. I guess vaccine nationalism is a thing now in CCP circles and just a sign of the times.

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#22405 3 years ago

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mcluvin

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Quoted from rwmech5:
Protect yourself, it’s not up to other people for your protection.

BS! People with compromised immune systems deserve to live as normal a lifestyle as possible. These vaccines ain't gonna do dick for them individually, but if those around them are vaccinated, they will benefit too.

#22406 3 years ago

DCD

cdnpinbacon

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Canada announces no flights from India or Pakistan for 30 days.

#22407 3 years ago

DCD

cdnpinbacon

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Private flights included..

#22408 3 years ago

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PanzerFreak

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So this was a bit surprising today at a local CVS. I went to get my second shot and no one was in line for a vaccine. When I went for the first shot 3 weeks ago appointments were booked solid and there was a line of wait of around 6 people even with an appointment.

The pharmacist and nurse on-site providing shots were both on their phones looking bored when I got there. Just before getting my shot I asked if it had been busy today which the nurse replied "No, a lot of people are not showing".

Is vaccine demand starting to slow?

#22409 3 years ago

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Yes for sure. My mall started accepting walk ups without an appointment for the first time today. Their parking lot was also almost empty.

#22410 3 years ago

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mcluvin

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Quoted from PanzerFreak:
Is vaccine demand starting to slow?

I suspect so. My appointment was early and they saw me a few minutes earlier. My wife's was later in the day. They called to confirm she was still coming and offered that she could come in as soon as she was able. Both times there was only one other person there getting the vaccine.

https://www.wkyc.com/mobile/article/news/local/summit-county/summit-county-fairground-mass-vaccination-site-closing-april-27-decreased-demand/95-9bd54d36-19b1-4bca-9759-7712b29a4e12

#22411 3 years ago

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Quoted from PanzerFreak:
Is vaccine demand starting to slow?

Yep, this is in my county

#22412 3 years ago

MAG

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Quoted from PanzerFreak:
So this was a bit surprising today at a local CVS. I went to get my second shot and no one was in line for a vaccine. When I went for the first shot 3 weeks ago appointments were booked solid and there was a line of wait of around 6 people even with an appointment.
The pharmacist and nurse on-site providing shots were both on their phones looking bored when I got there. Just before getting my shot I asked if it had been busy today which the nurse replied "No, a lot of people are not showing".
Is vaccine demand starting to slow?

I would say that suspending the distribution of a vaccine from any manufacturer would have consequences to the entire vaccination effort, especially from those already on the fence.

#22413 3 years ago

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Utesichiban

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Quoted from Completist:
I would say that suspending the distribution of a vaccine from any manufacturer would have consequences to the entire vaccination effort, especially from those already on the fence.

Yep. I think they thought it would reassure fence sitters and anti vaxxers of their safety but it may end up doing the opposite. Six events in almost seven million people while needing investigation, may not have required a two suspension.

#22414 3 years ago

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Quoted from mcluvin:
I suspect so. My appointment was early and they saw me a few minutes earlier. My wife's was later in the day. They called to confirm she was still coming and offered that she could come in as soon as she was able. Both times there was only one other person there getting the vaccine.

Quoted from mrm_4:
Yep, this is in my county
https://www.wkyc.com/mobile/article/news/local/summit-county/summit-county-fairground-mass-vaccination-site-closing-april-27-decreased-demand/95-9bd54d36-19b1-4bca-9759-7712b29a4e12

Wow, yeah it does seem like demand is dropping. It seems like once we hit 50% vaccinated here in the US that demand started dropping. I feel great knowing that I'm now fully vaccinated (well 14 days from my second shot), I'm sure millions of other vaccinated people do as well. I've been enjoying life over the past year with precautions but it's always been a bit nerve racking not knowing if you will get Covid or pass it on to a family member / friend.

Even though a vast majority of people recover from Covid many still have long term side affects including loss of taste, and fatigue. I love to golf and cook (+ eat!) so I would like to keep enjoying those two things to the max lol.

I still have multiple people in my family refusing to get the vaccine. Here's some of the comments I've heard from family.

"I don't get the flu shot so why would I get this"

"Hospitals are lying about how many people died of Covid"

"I think I had Covid last year and was fine"

"I don't trust the vaccine, it hasn't been out long enough"

"I know someone who got Covid twice so what's the point of the vaccine"

...yup

#22415 3 years ago

HAB

hAbO

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The US is at starting to stall with people scheduling their first shot. People that have not gotten the vaccine have to be convinced that its both safe and for the greater good. If not, hopefully people that have recovered from getting COVID along with the 200 Million vaccinated then children will push us into herd immunity.

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#22416 3 years ago

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Happy Bleach Day everyone!

Can’t believe it’s already been a year. How the time flies and yet also seems stuck in neutral.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/india-sets-world-record-new-covid-cases-314k-n1264895

#22417 3 years ago

CAT

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Natural selection is a wicked thing. Overly densely crowding in parts of the world is not sustainable. How would you like to be smelling mass cremations in your neighborhood 24 hours a day?

https://news.yahoo.com/mass-cremations-begin-indias-capital-013346460.html

210423034806-07-india-covid-modi-government-intl-hnk-dst-exlarge-169 (resized).jpg

https://fortune.com/2021/04/22/la-dodgers-seating-covid-vaccine-fully-vaccinated-section-tickets-mlb/

#22418 3 years ago

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I guess we better hang onto the proof of vaccine cards, especially if you want preferred seating at Dodgers games!

#22419 3 years ago

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cottonm4

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Quoted from hAbO:
heard immunity.

Ahhh..that is herd immunity. You must have been reading the same Associated Press article with the incorrect "heard".

https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/health/novel-coronavirus/vaccine/data

#22420 3 years ago

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Quoted from hAbO:
The US is at starting to stall with people scheduling their first shot. People that have not gotten the vaccine have to be convinced that its both safe and for the greater good. If not, hopefully people that have recovered from getting COVID along with the 200 Million vaccinated then children will push us into heard immunity.

I don't really understand what is going on with the appointment scheduling systems. Now that they have made it through the Phase I registrations, my county (Fairfax) seems to have yanked their registration system and is leaving it up to people to use a link they provide to hunt through for where a shot appointment is available. I already have a 2nd dose scheduled for Monday, but did a little searching through the link they are providing as a replacement for their scheduling system. It takes you to various pharmacies and grocery stores that appear to be dead ends of no availability. It really needs to be easier than that to schedule.

The county even seems to have stopped updating their covid vaccine dashboard after getting through Phase I.

#22421 3 years ago

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cottonm4

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https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/14/us/covid-vaccine-evangelicals/index.html

Quoted from PanzerFreak:
Wow, yeah it does seem like demand is dropping. It seems like once we hit 50% vaccinated here in the US that demand started dropping. I feel great knowing that I'm now fully vaccinated (well 14 days from my second shot), I'm sure millions of other vaccinated people do as well. I've been enjoying life over the past year with precautions but it's always been a bit nerve racking not knowing if you will get Covid or pass it on to a family member / friend.
Even though a vast majority of people recover from Covid many still have long term side affects including loss of taste, and fatigue. I love to golf and cook (+ eat!) so I would like to keep enjoying those two things to the max lol.
I still have multiple people in my family refusing to get the vaccine. Here's some of the comments I've heard from family.
"I don't get the flu shot so why would I get this"
"Hospitals are lying about how many people died of Covid"
"I think I had Covid last year and was fine"
"I don't trust the vaccine, it hasn't been out long enough"
"I know someone who got Covid twice so what's the point of the vaccine"
...yup

Everything I have been reading strongly suggests that getting vaccinated is splitting down the party lines.

It does not help that the preacher down in in Louisiana is poo-pooing the vaccine.

#22422 3 years ago

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Quoted from DaveH:
I'm totally fine with people faking the cards. If someone is so desperate that they want to fake being vaccinated to be among people without masks during a pandemic, go ahead. The only people they could actually hurt are themselves, other liars at the event, their state, their country, the world, and mankind in general. Have at it.

The problem is that the risk isn't completely zero, even among the vaccinated, and vaccine-resistant mutations continue to develop and spread among the population.

https://dph.georgia.gov/alert-chlorine-dioxide-ingestion

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#22423 3 years ago

HAB

hAbO

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Quoted from Oaken:
Happy Bleach Day everyone!
Can’t believe it’s already been a year. How the time flies and yet also seems stuck in neutral.

Holy crap! A year? Those comments still had repercussions 5 months afterwards. Words matter.

Some Americans Are Tragically Still Drinking Bleach As A Coronavirus ‘Cure’
"Despite months of warnings that it’s unsafe, some Americans are still attempting to self-treat for coronavirus by drinking bleach products, prompting Georgia officials to send out a warning that doing so could be fatal."

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdfl/pr/florida-family-indicted-selling-toxic-bleach-fake-miracle-cure-covid-19-and-other

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#22424 3 years ago

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Oaken

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Quoted from hAbO:
Holy crap! A year? Those comments still had repercussions 5 months afterwards. Words matter.
Some Americans Are Tragically Still Drinking Bleach As A Coronavirus ‘Cure’
"Despite months of warnings that it’s unsafe, some Americans are still attempting to self-treat for coronavirus by drinking bleach products, prompting Georgia officials to send out a warning that doing so could be fatal."
https://dph.georgia.gov/alert-chlorine-dioxide-ingestion

Indeed. Couldn’t ask for better timing than this formal grand jury indictment today:

Also Florida, because of course.

#22425 3 years ago

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gweempose

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Quoted from Oaken:
Indeed. Couldn’t ask for better timing than this formal grand jury indictment today:
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdfl/pr/florida-family-indicted-selling-toxic-bleach-fake-miracle-cure-covid-19-and-other
Also Florida, because of course.

Wow! People like that should be locked up for the rest of their lives!

#22426 3 years ago

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ForceFlow

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Quoted from Oaken:
Indeed. Couldn’t ask for better timing than this formal grand jury indictment today:
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdfl/pr/florida-family-indicted-selling-toxic-bleach-fake-miracle-cure-covid-19-and-other
Also Florida, because of course.

Here's a series of videos that have been covering the case:

#22427 3 years ago

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cottonm4

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Quoted from gweempose:
Wow! People like that should be locked up for the rest of their lives!

No. Ship them off to China. China knows how to deal with this kind of stuff. Here, they will get 1 year and a slap on the wrist.

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#22428 3 years ago

POP

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Quoted from Oaken:
Indeed. Couldn’t ask for better timing than this formal grand jury indictment today:
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdfl/pr/florida-family-indicted-selling-toxic-bleach-fake-miracle-cure-covid-19-and-other
Also Florida, because of course.

They weren't wrong. You drink enough of that MMS shit and you def won't have to worry about Covid anymore...

#22429 3 years ago

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ForceFlow

If you haven't gotten the vaccine or scheduled an appointment, go do it:

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#22430 3 years ago

DAN

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Quoted from DaveH:
I'm totally fine with people faking the cards. If someone is so desperate that they want to fake being vaccinated to be among people without masks during a pandemic, go ahead. The only people they could actually hurt are themselves, other liars at the event, their state, their country, the world, and mankind in general. Have at it.

Nah, they still could infect and kill someone. There are people that can't get the vaccine because of health reasons, there are other immunocompromised folks like my girlfriend with cystic fibrosis, who is now vaccinated, but still could get it from some yahoo and die. People need to think about other people than themselves. They should get vaccinated for the good of their community and our country, they should take it seriously, Israel is the perfect example of where people are willing to do the work and compromise for the good of their people and country. Americans are too selfish to do this I fear, they will wave a flag and talk about freedom, but they aren't willing to actually fight for it.

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#22431 3 years ago

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Quoted from cottonm4:
Everything I have been reading strongly suggests that getting vaccinated is splitting down the party lines.
It does not help that the preacher down in in Louisiana is poo-pooing the vaccine.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/14/us/covid-vaccine-evangelicals/index.html

My parents are life long conservative Republicans, Trump voters, and my dad had even been veering off into conspiracy theory territory the past year or two. Yet, they totally got vaccinated as soon as they could. My sister helped them make the appointments and told them they had to get vaccinated if they ever wanted to hang out with their kids and grand kids in person again. Because they are in their 80s, we all had to stop seeing them in person. We've done some brief distanced visits outside with masks on, but not getting to do holidays and birthday and casual dinners with us kids and the grand kids has been hard on them and getting to do those things again was easily enough motivation to overcome any politics from holding them back.

#22432 3 years ago

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Quoted from gweempose:
The problem is that the risk isn't completely zero, even among the vaccinated, and vaccine-resistant mutations continue to develop and spread among the population.

Quoted from nwpinball:
Nah, they still could infect and kill someone.

I agree. Hence my comment that escalated from person, to person, to locality, to nation, to all of mankind:

Quoted from DaveH:
The only people they could actually hurt are themselves, other liars at the event, their state, their country, the world, and mankind in general.

I just don't think a single Anti-Vaxxer will change their mind, and in fact, if their behavior brings about a variant that just ignores the vaccine I had, they will say "See, the vaccine didn't work anyway!". I accept that there is nothing I will ever say that will change their mind.

Is it pessimistic to say it is what it is now? How many actual anti-vaxxer minds have been changed? (hint: none, short of an individual getting a very bad case of Covid)

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#22433 3 years ago

DCD

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My vaccine experience did not go drama free.
An older dude in front of Me in line started scratching his ass and turned around dick nosed , invaded my space and started touching everything. I said hey bid put your mask on properly and stay away from me. He said nothing and continued to scratch his ass. His turn for vaccine reception: no appt nothing. No computer nothing but finally admitted to an email address. I had everything and my admission was seamless. But bum scratcher took forever to register as being stupid and started peeking 3 times through the privacy screen. Finally I blew up and told him I was going to smash him over the head with the privacy screen if he did it 1 more time. You can't fix stupid.

#22434 3 years ago

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cottonm4

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Quoted from nwpinball:
and told them they had to get vaccinated if they ever wanted to hang out with their kids and grand kids in person again.

Talk about incentives.

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#22435 3 years ago

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ForceFlow

Just spotted this bill that passed in the NY assembly & senate that seems intended to make covid restrictions of distancing and masks into permanent labor law throughout all of NY state.

The bill: https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2021/A2681

Summary of the bill: https://openstates.org/ny/bills/2021-2022/A2681/

#22436 3 years ago

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Quoted from Utesichiban:
I read that China will allow anyone into their country without quarantine as long as they have received a Chinese vaccine.

I don't think so. I checked on the China embassy in France (sorry it's in French - I translated the last part of the text)
http://www.amb-chine.fr/fra/zgzfg/zgsg/lsb/t1862090.htm
Note that France is considered by China among the countries with the highest risk level (not without reasons!) as India for example.

"The requirements for virological (RT-PCR) and serological (IgM antibody) testing for COVID-19 before boarding the flight remain unchanged. After entering Chinese territory, travelers are kindly requested to respect Chinese quarantine measures"

(dated March 18 - I could not find any update since them)
This vaccine certificate helps you to get a green QR code that allows you to fly (and perhaps simplify the procedure to get a visa).

This quarantine has been extended - now more like 21 days, although it may change between provinces.
A colleague arrived in HK a fortnight ago, and is still in quarantine for 7 more days in a 100 sq-foot hotel room.

Even worse if you are arriving in Beijing or Shanghai, then need to move to a different province. This province may have its own policy, imposing a second quarantine. Like 2-3 weeks in the first city, then 2 more weeks in your final destination.
All of this at your expense, and the hotel is now chosen by the authorities, not you.

#22437 3 years ago

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Quoted from ForceFlow:
Just spotted this bill that passed in the NY assembly & senate that seems intended to make covid restrictions of distancing and masks into permanent labor law throughout all of NY state.
The bill: https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2021/A2681
Summary of the bill: https://openstates.org/ny/bills/2021-2022/A2681/

That sounds like a quagmire. After Covid, then what? The flu? The common cold?

Actually, it sounds like an employment act designed by lawyers just to keep the lawyers busy.

#22438 3 years ago

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mcluvin

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Quoted from DCFAN:
Natural selection is a wicked thing. Overly densely crowding in parts of the world is not sustainable. How would you like to be smelling mass cremations in your neighborhood 24 hours a day?

Interestingly enough, Israel is comparable to India in population density, and if you look at the top 20 most densely populated countries most of them are doing OK. India's population density certainly isn't helping, but they have all kinds of other issues exacerbating their current Covid crisis.

#22439 3 years ago

DCD

cdnpinbacon

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Floating dead bodies in the Gangas river does not help matters . Tattered infrastructure , poverty , cultist religion etc. .etc.

#22440 3 years ago

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Utesichiban

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https://www.voanews.com/east-asia-pacific/voa-news-china/beijing-pushing-vaccine-passport-those-inoculated-chinese-vaccines

Quoted from jlm33:
I don't think so. I checked on the China embassy in France (sorry it's in French - I translated the last part of the text)
http://www.amb-chine.fr/fra/zgzfg/zgsg/lsb/t1862090.htm
Note that France is considered by China among the countries with the highest risk level (not without reasons!) as India for example.
"The requirements for virological (RT-PCR) and serological (IgM antibody) testing for COVID-19 before boarding the flight remain unchanged. After entering Chinese territory, travelers are kindly requested to respect Chinese quarantine measures"
(dated March 18 - I could not find any update since them)
This vaccine certificate helps you to get a green QR code that allows you to fly (and perhaps simplify the procedure to get a visa).
This quarantine has been extended - now more like 21 days, although it may change between provinces.
A colleague arrived in HK a fortnight ago, and is still in quarantine for 7 more days in a 100 sq-foot hotel room.
Even worse if you are arriving in Beijing or Shanghai, then need to move to a different province. This province may have its own policy, imposing a second quarantine. Like 2-3 weeks in the first city, then 2 more weeks in your final destination.
All of this at your expense, and the hotel is now chosen by the authorities, not you.

Just get a 50% effective Sinopharm vaccine and you should be good to go. That is what I read a few weeks ago. That may have changed, however.

If you need to go and a Chinese vaccine will get you in without 21 day quarantines and anal swabs in each province, it is probably worth getting one (even if it provides below average protection compared to almost every other vaccine currently being used globally)

#22441 3 years ago

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Utesichiban

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Quoted from cottonm4:
No. Ship them off to China. China knows how to deal with this kind of stuff. Here, they will get 1 year and a slap on the wrist.

You mean organ harvesting?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-forcefully-harvests-organs-detainees-tribunal-concludes-n1018646

#22442 3 years ago

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Quoted from Utesichiban:
You mean organ harvesting?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-forcefully-harvests-organs-detainees-tribunal-concludes-n1018646

No. I mean when China passes out a death penalty there is not 20 years worth of appeals to follow.

#22444 3 years ago

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Quoted from mcluvin:
I suspect so. My appointment was early and they saw me a few minutes earlier. My wife's was later in the day. They called to confirm she was still coming and offered that she could come in as soon as she was able. Both times there was only one other person there getting the vaccine.

That's crazy, here it is still like trying to score concert tickets and people are driving across the mountains to rural towns to get the shot. But Seattle has over 80% of the population wanting to take the vaccine. I think we will be more back to normal before the rest of you if we reach herd immunity faster.

#22445 3 years ago

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ForceFlow

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/man-gym-covid-assault-b1837133.html

Man charged with infecting 22 people with Covid after going to gym and work with symptoms
He told colleagues ‘I’m going to give you all the coronavirus’, police say

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#22446 2 years ago

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Quoted from nwpinball:
Nah, they still could infect and kill someone. There are people that can't get the vaccine because of health reasons, there are other immunocompromised folks like my girlfriend with cystic fibrosis, who is now vaccinated, but still could get it from some yahoo and die. People need to think about other people than themselves. They should get vaccinated for the good of their community and our country, they should take it seriously, Israel is the perfect example of where people are willing to do the work and compromise for the good of their people and country. Americans are too selfish to do this I fear, they will wave a flag and talk about freedom, but they aren't willing to actually fight for it.

While I empathize with your situation, I fear the group think has disabled your ability to empathize. Are you really thinking about the benefit of others or your girlfriend which is basically you? Being high risk and with a science background, I couldn’t recommend to my adult children to run out and get vaccinated. There is an FDA approval process in the US that has been refined over decades- we circumvented it. I got vaccinated, but from the data available- it is a risk. If they research the vaccines and get vaccinated- great, I hope. If they would rather wait and hang outside when they visit- I understand. Will I be dining indoors or hanging in bars before 2022? No.
Isn’t shunning masks or getting vaccinated fighting for freedom? It just isn’t our definition of freedom. “You must wear a mask in public, you cannot go to church, you cannot associate with friends, if you get sick- we need info on all those you came in contact with and where”- is that freedom? It sounds more like 1984. It is a frightful corrosion of what it meant to be American, and I won’t fault those that take objection to it.
I’ve met quite a few Americans and a lot of families whose loved ones died fighting for someone else’s freedom, they didn’t seem very selfish.

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#22448 2 years ago

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Quoted from Trogdor:
While I empathize with your situation, I fear the group think has disabled your ability to empathize. Are you really thinking about the benefit of others or your girlfriend which is basically you? Being high risk and with a science background, I couldn’t recommend to my adult children to run out and get vaccinated. There is an FDA approval process in the US that has been refined over decades- we circumvented it. I got vaccinated, but from the data available- it is a risk. If they research the vaccines and get vaccinated- great, I hope. If they would rather wait and hang outside when they visit- I understand. Will I be dining indoors or hanging in bars before 2022? No.
Isn’t shunning masks or getting vaccinated fighting for freedom? It just isn’t our definition of freedom. “You must wear a mask in public, you cannot go to church, you cannot associate with friends, if you get sick- we need info on all those you came in contact with and where”- is that freedom? It sounds more like 1984. It is a frightful corrosion of what it meant to be American, and I won’t fault those that take objection to it.
I’ve met quite a few Americans and a lot of families whose loved ones died fighting for someone else’s freedom, they didn’t seem very selfish.

Source for your comment on the risk?

"Isn’t shunning masks or getting vaccinated fighting for freedom?"

No. it is not.