Yeah but that's accepted status quo here. While the rest of the world uses socialism to help people with medical, housing, daycare, salaries, etc we use socialism only to bail out our capitalism.

I'm looking forward to them opening up the schools, then myself getting another paid year off.

In my town I live smack dab in the middle of 4 Walmart stores. In any direction I go, I am 5 miles from Walmart.

Almost nobody is wearing a mask.

Today, I have the occasion to be in a Walmart 40 miles from my home.

In this store everyone is wearing a mask. It is a refreshing site to see.

I asked the clerk ( excuse me. I asked an associate ) if masks were mandatory in this store.

She said no. But she also said the town is paying attention to our governor’s new mandate to wear masks.

This town probably stands alone in it efforts to respect the governor.

All the rednecks in our red state legislature are thumbing the governor with down votes and the cops say they will not enforce the mandate.

It is refreshing to see some sort of positive action being taken instead of reading one more billboard spewing about how “we are all in this together”.

Utah is at 867 new cases today .....this is getting ridiculous.
Considering the population. That is pretty serious ....

I watched the first 8 minutes of that video, he speaks in absolutes a little too easily given the breadth of his experience with COVID19 specifically. I'll believe his results are truthful, but it's TWELVE people. I hope it's legit and turns out to be the miracle the world needs, but common sense would suggest that doesn't seem likely. It's amazing to me how easily some people grasp at anything to further their belief that this is all some sort of global con job.

‪Im not cool with this...‬

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Dallas alone was at 1200 today. And have been over 1000 for 8 straight days. ICUs full. People are about to die because we are out of room to treat them, and it sucks.

This shit is spreading like wildfire and some are predicting the death rates will follow. Several states are at the breaking point, so the next couple weeks or even months are looking pretty grim. No way to sugarcoat it. It's about to get real ugly. A lot of protective gear and testing equipment running out as well.

However, I just got word there have been no new cases in the senior facility mom is at in over two weeks and she never tested positive. Whatever they did, they managed to contain it and put out the fire at least there. For now.

A little 4 act piece on COVID:

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After I got back home I had to go visit one of the Walmart's I talked earlier.

The background: The Democrat Kansas governor mandated the wearing of masks a couple of weeks ago. The Kansas senate watered the rules down and left the call to the counties; I'm sort of OK with that. Out in the sparcely populated western Kansas rules, perhaps, can be a little looser, I suppose.

The Sedgwick Country commission, whether starving for tax dollars or some other reason left the decision up to each city, each town and each business to make its own decisions. Like every other place in the nation, our infection rates and death rates have started climbing.
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Now, I guess the city leaders told the county commissioners they were not tough enough.

https://www.kansas.com/news/politics-government/article244122297.html

" An order issued by Sedgwick County to require business employees and patrons to wear masks to slow the spread of COVID-19 was written to be essentially unenforceable and weaker than a city of Wichita ordinance with similar requirements."

" And on Thursday, the county order was loosened a bit when Dr. Garold Minns, the county health officer, revised it to exempt religious meetings from a 45-person limitation on the size of public gatherings.

" Unenforceability is actually written into Minns’ order.

" After a lengthy list of requirements on wearing masks, the order states: “This order cannot be enforced through criminal charges, fines or civil penalties.

" In contrast, the Wichita ordinance that the City Council passed at a special meeting Friday specifies that “any person, business or organization” violating the ordinance “shall be guilty of an infraction.”

It sets out potential fines of $25 for first offense, $50 for a second conviction and $100 for a third or subsequent conviction.

Anyway, when I went to my local Walmart this afternoon this sign is what greeted me.

Last week when I went to this Walmart, almost no one was wearing a mask. Today, the store was busy and I only saw 3 people not wearing a mask; Some people are just too dumb to figure out they need to help contribute to the cause.

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Well, I'm sorry but some countries in the world are proving that common sense is actually not very common at all.

If you only watched the first 8 minutes then you failed miserably mate. Watching it all helps you with context. Interpretation of "Absolutes", makes you sound biased maybe?. The last half is probably the most important part, and you can then understand the urgent tone. He has been trying to spread the word for many months. Like, what's with the trials that it definately sounds like they are being rigged to fail, what is the argument against this information, their dodgy criteria?.

This treatment has been getting Held Back and suppressed for months now, for no aparent legit reason?. Preference for dodgy "pie in the sky" vaccines?. Money trumps all perhaps?. Odd that the video seems to regularly have its url/algorithm altered, watch it while you can.

Time to pull your heads out of the sand for a change guys!. Seriously, for goodness sake C'mon!?!

I do kinda get the mentality, when it's somewhat involuntary... here, one might be called a "mushroom".

Mushrooms are Everywhere... and it happens all areas, too much of the time. It is very common. Actually, "common mushrooms" would be a much more reflective concept than "common sense", these days. lol

Carry on with your "common" sense if y'all must, I suppose. Can't say I didn't try.

FYI : Yes I am a mushroom like most, as well, perhaps unfortunately. Or perhaps it is better to just not know?. Some people know they are mushrooms, while others do not. Meh, it is what it is. I digress.

Common mushrooms will prevail! ... and what will be will be!

Budesonide is the generic and now OTC form of Rhinocort Aqua. I’ve taken it for years for seasonal allergies. It’s a silver bullet for you if you suffer from severe tree and grass allergies, especially in spring bloom. But I’ll tell you what else I know about it: you need to be on it for a course of at least 5-7 days before the allergens appear, or you get zero relief. It is in no way a drug that treats anything on a prn or acute basis. I find it difficult to believe that anyone would get immediate relief from it for any acute symptom, absent a significant build up in the system. And 12 patients being treated by a Family Practitioner isn’t exactly the most solid dataset. But hey, I’ve got a metric assload of the stuff. If I go down you’ll have your answer.

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Only for early stages treatment. Once CV is into you, say your prayors.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/covid-patients-defend-dr-bartletts-silver-bullet-medicine-regimen/ar-BB16v52a

Thanks for the feedback, glad to hear some more perspectives!

Pointing out that this is a virus, rather than an alergy. Also it is something new to us. Perhaps the effects are also different and more rapid. Test it more we will know.

Certainly only highly effective very early on. But still, it is surely now a valid alternative to turning symptomatic people away, for "rest" (to eventually occupy ICU, have caused symptoms ongoing, or die)?.

Can’t we all just get on the same fucking page on this already? It’s criminally ridiculous.

It’s so simple. We can take care of this in a month.

Try to what? Convince a group of pinball enthusiasts that a single doctor has found a miracle that has eluded the wider medical community and their vast resources and incentives (financial and otherwise)? And that there is a global conspiracy to keep that miracle from helping those who desperately need it? This just reeks of another “Plandemic” wave that hasn’t caught on yet, not for your lack of trying.

What you are suggesting surely goes on in the medical/pharma world (because power and greed of course). But this, on this scale? I don’t underestimate the horrors people will allow or even perpetrate to enrich themselves, but to what end is every doctor and nurse and whoever else denying this miracle?

I’m not suggesting budesonide doesn’t work because I don’t know a thing about it. But I do know that one doctors experience with 12 patients doesn’t supersede the findings of the global medical community just because you found it on the internet.

Well that sounds just like a "common sense" argument, right there.

Pretty dumb, the contradictory statments. Blinkers and echo chambers?. It's a group thing too by the looks, what can one person do to help others add up a bit better?. Not much sometimes of course, as we discover here, but it beats doing nothing. Might break the conga-line!?

Pinball enthusiasts? ... don't count as people now??? Wtf!

"Trying" to help some people get their heads out of the sand, and start using their brains more. I Could say nothing at all I suppose?, and not point at the elephant standing right there. That is what everybody else does isn't it?. lol

What doesn't make sense is to discount the most logically reasonable scenarios, at some whim or from group stupidity, without good reason. At some point enough people will start asking "Why in blazes is it so bloody cramped in here?" ... "Oh fark!, check it out!, there's been a giant elephant in here that whole time!". Is it just because some things might be too scary or unfathomable even, for one to face up to or admit to themselves?. Of course many will struggle to discover much. Still, Try to Wake Up the brain! . If it helps one person see something more, thats enough to be worth the time.

I guess for some, simple ignorance feels better, being oblivious. It's just easier isn't it?. Pretend. No wonder things are going the way they are there, I'm not surprised anymore. Ignore the elephant in the room at your own cost. Carry on eating your porridge. Don't smell the coffee burning. Good luck!.

...and you thought going through your nose to hit the back of your throat was uncomfortable.

Possibly related?

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Wtf indeed

Every time I walk by the rabbit hole I can hear this being yelled from the depths

So the findings and experience of the global medical community are not a “logically reasonable” reason to temper expectations that one doctors experience with 12 people months ago might be a magic bullet? Again, not saying it isn’t. Just that logic suggests it isn’t because of the overwhelming improbability of all the things that would have to be true in order for it to be so.

I’m sure it seems that way to someone whose mind resides where yours does. Maybe take a break from the internet for awhile?

People want to think they uncover things. And then want to believe literally any conspiracy when their little discovery doesn’t catch on. My elderly mother sent me a video where some doctors in Italy cured Covid with aspirin and are hiding the success.

If this drug works, it will be found out, not buried. There are plenty of active studies on really cheap remedies - dexamethasone, famotidine (yes, the antacid in Pepcid), of course the politically charged hydroxychloroquine, and others.

There is no shortage of interest in and pursuit of cheap solutions because of x, y, or z conspiracy.

Life isn’t easy living in the “Divided States of America”

The USA had a record breaking 71k new cases yesterday.

If it keeps up at that pace we are looking at half a million people getting sick every week.

A question for all.....How many here are High Risk?
I find that a huge part of my personal and family discussions come back to this.

It seems to me those with high risk, have a level of fear and action, that is not empathized with.

The way it seems, is that you don't show much comprehension, really. Subjective of course, just like the holy mantra you are spewing there. Lol .... maybe you should try actually Using the internet? . Absorb and filter some information, rather than a Lazy TL:DR, "I looked at quarter of it, now I know everything that the doctor was lying to point out", or "I knew it was crap before I even looked at it", nonsense. Actually taking in a wider range of better verified information sources, even some more variety in the real crappy (mainstream) information sources, might help?... well, if only it weren't so restricted there I suppose.

CV19 is serious, it is causing alot of deaths, it has been shown already that At Least a high proportion of the deaths Can be prevented with low risk cheap medication, and you're just making it out like it's.... <sigh> ... oh never mind, I'd get more sense talking to the brick s#ithouse wall... it looks like it could be too late for you lot, the writing is on the wall.

Carry On!

This is somewhat related.

Yes, the race is on to see if we can top China's total number of cases in one day!

I'm at high risk of running out of beer before the day is over. Besides that, all my trips to Fantasy Burger, McDonalds, and Jack in the Box since this started without a sneeze convince me I am immune. I even took all my bottles and cans to the covid recycling center yesterday where most were not wearing masks and still nothing.

Good post I found on another forum:

I had a meeting with two of the top pulmonologists in the country yesterday (not in FL) and they said the new cases they are seeing are younger and not needing ICU. They also said the most concerning thing is that they are now seeing some data that the virus may be airborne which means N95 masks and eye covering should be worn by all healthcare staff. They said the PPE situation is still a major issue but is no longer being reported.

Overall they both agreed that there is no stopping the virus at this point. It needs to run its course like it did in NYC. They turned me on to a few new studies showing 50-60% in NYC are showing antibodies. The only concern now is keeping enough capacity for all cases needing hospitalization. If hospitals get to 95% capacity then shut downs will be needed in that area for a few weeks then open back up. They also agreed without a doubt that masks slow the spread but again it needs to run its course so masks are just delaying the inevitable.

We all agreed that areas with little to no cases should not wear masks, once cases start spiking then masks should be worn, then if hospital capacity hits 95% short shutdowns are needed. This will allow us to get through this much quicker than full shutdowns and waiting for the vaccine. Also all agreed that the elderly and those with major health issues should be totally isolated until a vaccine is out. That totally sucks and I imagine many of these people would rather roll the dice.

Everyone keeps acting like the lack of masks and distancing is a southern and western thing. I’m at another baseball tournament in CT. There are about 24 teams here at any given time.l, most from NY, MA, CT, NJ. Fairly tight quarter. My son is one of two kids I’ve seen with a mask. About 10% of the crowd has masks. And the ones without masks are beyond inconsiderate. It’s really one big fu. People don’t get that if this blows up a second time, states are really going to over-react in response.

Honestly, we are all about to be Really High Risk come end of August.
Wear a mask people, its not political, just wear a damn mask for the next 6 months. Then will see come January, but at this rate, just wear a mask till there is a vaccine.

looks like some are finally getting fed up with ignorant people...

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What are you guys using for masks?

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An aspect of this I haven’t really been paying attention to...military effectiveness.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/07/10/militarys-covid-19-cases-growing-at-twice-the-nationwide-rate/

I saw some of the Angel's practice yesterday, and I didn't see much in the way of masks on the players.

I'm considering wearing a mask as a lifestyle going forward, virus or not. I know its more for protecting others but it does provided some defense for the wearer. I'll likely modify my use with it as things progress but hand shaking is over-with for me.

Same here, buddy.

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Same here, it's just basic courtesy to protect others so I've been going with a retro theme with my masks thus far.

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I'm pretty fine with that, too. Its gonna be uncomfortable for a while.

I think the fist bump is fine if you need to touch. I will never understand the elbow bump. Aren't we supposed to cough into our elbow? Why would we then bump them? And why would we want to be 3+ feet closer for a more awkward greeting?

In Australia almost the whole country has come together to get on top of this. I’m proud of the leadership shown at both federal and state level. Granted not everything has gone perfect but there acknowledgements when things haven’t gone right and the sense of urgency shown to address noncompliance is comforting.

This Virus is new to the world so at this stage the long term effects are unknown or slowly beginning to emerge through testing on organs of those who have past from the disease.

My opinion is just my opinion so no point answering the next question! Why is America unable to contain this virus?

“What virus! I’m to busy getting my mate out of prison” America 2020 third world performance wtf!

Less than an hour away from me. I guess he went out doing what he loved.

Congrats Arizona and Texas!

Remember those refrigerator morgue trucks certain people like to make fun of NYC for needing months ago?

They are down southwest now. Welcome to the Party.

You could be on to something. Together with a few friends? I don’t think so.

Future pinball tournaments/shows and things like? I just might. I get 3-5 horrible colds / flu a year. Since October I’ve been healthy as a horse. Avoiding the germs of the masses seems to help.

I’m high risk I take Avonex for MS and it keeps immune system low .But reguardless common courtesy should be as easy as breathing air!!!Be safe all!!!

You serious?

30 year old man with no medical issues dies from COVID-19 after attending a “COVID party”. Apparently this is a thing among younger people where they intentionally expose themselves to a COVID positive patient.

The guy that died said he thought it was a hoax.

If you wonder why I have spent so much time trying to call out people for spreading misinformation this is why. People believe this stuff and hurt themselves or others due to their ignorance.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/person-their-30s-dies-after-attending-covid-party-thought-it-was-hoax-health-officials-1517172%3famp=1

Testing update: as of Friday, turns out I was only partially right. There ARE plenty of test kits and plenty of lab capacity. BUT, there is a shortage of reagents again. My understanding is that the shortage is or will be becoming widespread nationally. This is leading to delays in processing samples. As of Monday they are thinking it will be a delay of 10 days give or take. Delays expected to get worse too in the short term.

So...the MN Covid numbers will be a little misleading going forward due to the throttling of results.

Very few people think Covid-19 is a hoax but most people do in fact believe that it is being overblown for political reasons.

That's an excellent question. You would think one of the wealthiest countries in the world with such a robust health care system would have done an amazing job of handling the virus. Instead, we are a complete laughing stock. Unfortunately, I can't properly answer your question without getting into politics.