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#11250 3 years ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

Here's a simple indicator... if the show is a single person just monologuing about things - it's not going to be a good source of anything except a platform.
The monologue delivery is used because it provides a single stream of uncontested content. The narrative can be laid out and traversed without having to defend or face opposition. The hand picked 'guests' whose role it is to reiterate and support the narrative are just a tool to support the narrative being laid out - they aren't an actual open dialogue of other views.
When they do it on TV/Radio you only have their interpretation of the information they are supposedly citing. You don't see the actual sources - at best only things in snipets. You have no immediate way to check their sources. They use this to their advantage to pass distortion or selective interpretation as credible sources.
And when it's a real slant... there is no obligation to be objective... and they use repetition and filtered perspective to pump ideas. They rely on horrible logic and argument techniques and just beat people into believing it's a rational way to support the conclusions or challenges pushed. The one way broadcast model uses this lack of accuracy checking to their advantage to move right past 'close enough' facts to build larger ideas and conclusions based on that.
It's no coincidence in the format these talking heads use for their show. It's all part of the toolset.
Doesn't matter if it's left leaning or right... It's a downright manipulative, horrible format to get information from.

I would give to 2 + thumbs up here. I wish I could write as eloquently as you do and still get the point across.

#11267 3 years ago
Quoted from PantherCityPins:

Well, here’s an honest question. If it turns out that the Chinese deliberately covered up the extent of this virus, intentionally putting the world at risk of large amounts of casualties and severe economic damage; is that an act of war?

Ooooh, that's a tough question. Before we were at WW II with Japan and Germany we were trading partners with both. And in the 30s, the people here were quite infatuated with Hitler and the Hindenburg crashed in New Jersey.

We have sanctions on Iran. But other than the pistachios we (used to?) import from Iran I don't think we buy anything from them.

So, what we we do? Sanction China? When it seems like China is producing most of what we need everyday?

Do we load up the guns and cut off our nose to spite our face?

Assuming it is true, do we tell American businesses that their world wide gallivanting is over?

Interesting question. No easy answers.

The only easy answer is wars are a lot easier to start than they are to get out of.

#11275 3 years ago

5 hours later and make it 36,922.

#11277 3 years ago
Quoted from o-din:

My dad was all Bud, all the time. But the stuff did not agree with me. There was a time I did Coors, but now it is mostly Mexican beer like Pacifico or Dos Equis or whatever fancy IPA my buddy brings over.

I like Budweiser but one bottle and I will have a screaming hang over. My choice is south of the border: Dos Equis.

#11278 3 years ago
Quoted from o-din:

Back in the 70s I don't remember there being any "craft beers". We got what was strongest so we did not have to carry too much.

Colt 45?

#11288 3 years ago
Quoted from Reality_Studio:

People claim they would but they never actually do. Look at pinball purchases on Pinside, there's all kinds of posts on how people proudly rip off their local economies by (insert whatever illegal purchase trick here). Also look how much people scream when pinball prices go up $100. You really think they will want to pay made in USA prices for everything? Good luck with that. Plus aren't even the "Make America Great Again" hats made in China?
Simply put, nothing will be done about China. Nothing, zero, nada. People can blather on about wanting jobs back locally but they lie, they just want stuff as cheap as possible. They buy nothing local then they wonder where all the jobs went and cry about it while their drive their not made in USA car wearing their not made in USA clothes using their not made in USA electronics. I walk the walk, I buy local as much as possible but I'm considered a weirdo for that. Heck people even make fun of me here for overpaying on pinball machines that I buy locally but I don't care, I support local businesses and my money goes back locally whenever possible.

I try to buy locally. But I have my limits. I wore Levi's jeans for years. But several years ago, maybe 20 years ago, I went to buy some new Levi's and was told $70.00 a pair. I went looking around and the only ones that will fit are the cheapie Rustler brand at Walmart; Those were $10.00 a pair at the time.

Not long after that Levi's moved overseas, but the retail prices stayed the same.

Same thing with razor blades. When Gillette bumped its prices to $25.00 for a 3-pak set of the 3-bladed jobs I discovered Dollar Shave Club and then found out DSC got its blades from Dorco in South Korea. As you might guess, I do not use Gillette anymore.

Just to show that I do try to buy locally, a few years ago, I need some gas shocks for the hatch on my car. I was given a choice. The US made units were about $10.00 more per pair.

So, I try to but American. but I am not going to pay Wall Street bend over prices.

#11298 3 years ago
Quoted from Colsond3:

I don’t know about any of you, but even though she has Corona...I would still pick her up. [quoted image]

Colson,

I do admire your taste in women. I keep thinking I would like to find a woman with brains, but then you come around with another pic.

#11299 3 years ago

And funny Odiner...I used to use the Flyaway in Van Nuys to take a bus to LAX when I come out there. Until one time I decided to go to a strip club down the street before boarding. Shady place, but I did meet Tera Patrick.[quoted image]

Colson, I do admire your taste in women

#11307 3 years ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Not too shabby! Doing some great stuff in the apartment we set up some Curtains inside these open areas which gives the bedroom more of a feeling of privacy and makes it darker in there at night. Hung up the old dogs playing poker picture to cover up the fuse box much to Nancy’s horrified chagrin.
Ate some leftover meatballs for lunch.
Nancy back at her apartment for a few days. Bachelor weekend!! Woo hoo!
I’m gonna watch so much porn!
Oh threw a malfunctioning remote across the hallway. Stress manifests itself in strange ways I guess.
In covid news everybody seems to have gotten the message about the masks everybody is wearing them inside stores and such which is how it should be.
How has your day been Chad?[quoted image][quoted image]

Damn ! You got a nice kitchen for a New York apartment. At least compared to the ones I see on TV

Did O-dins posts about Jenna Jamerson and Christy Mack get you to thinking? Be sure to wash your hands. For 20 seconds

#11310 3 years ago
Quoted from cait001:

This week has left me very very confused about states' rights and Federal power separation in your fine country.
I really hope it doesn't impede a coordinated covid-19 response but wow is it fascinating to see a Federal government cheer state Liberation from itself.
Is there anyone here that understands this that can PM me a summary?

I'll make it simple for you. We are a federation of independent states that like to call their own shots. But the states always have their hand out for more Federal money when it suits them.

#11340 3 years ago
Quoted from Gryszzz:

Prohibition.

I imagine Hiram Walker absolutely loved the U.S Prohibition. We know Joe Kennedy sure did.

#11343 3 years ago
Quoted from phil-lee:

I'm not normally an asshole

Boy, is that a surprise.

#11347 3 years ago
Quoted from Darkwing:

Red Dog caps... if you cover half of the dog and turn it upside down, it looks like Spider-Man going down on Spider-Woman xD

I bet you fucked with the psychologists' head when you took the Rorschach tests

#11564 3 years ago
Quoted from Daditude:

Some posters on here just get amped up over politics, which leads to personal attacks. Big "no-no's, " for sure.
I guess we need to stock up on liquid soap.

Hey man, I have asked you time and time again to quit using the Palmolive dish soap. It taste like shit. Ajax is not quite as nasty. So how about a break for next time and just use the Ajax?

#11777 3 years ago

I can't keep up with this thread anymore. I stay away and return to 200-300 new posts. I have gained more than my Andy Warhol 15 minutes of fame.

I'll leave you all with this link from the fake news website.

Just plug in your zip code and you will get an idea of how safe or polluted your county is.

https://www.cnn.com/resources/coronavirus-information/

#11792 3 years ago

One last post from me. I just now saw this. Piers Morgan is telling it like it is, IMO. I think he is being fair and balanced. Your mileage may differ.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/04/19/piers-morgan-advice-for-trump-rs-full-stelter-vpx.cnn

#11880 3 years ago
Quoted from arcademojo:

I'm in the same boat or should I say house. Was my first house and built a nice size workshop/garage. Then they redrew the school district. Once my daughter hit highschool we bought another house to get her out of that school. Rented the house to be able to use my workshop. Was only renting for enough to cover mortgage. First renter trashed the place missed 6 months of rent and cost me a lot to get them out. All I could do was open a second mortgage to keep afloat. By end of that year I owed more between the two mortgages then what I paid for the house to begin with plus my new payments were $450 a month more. And no way to sell since it's worth less then I owe. Luckily my second renter (my sister) has been great. She's been renting 5 years now. By next year I'll only owe what I originally borrowed. LOL. I'll never rent anything again.

Long time ago, a friend was telling about one of his nightmare renters. They weren't paying the rent and he could not get them out. It was wintertime.

He went to the property during the day when the renters were at work. He removed both the front door and the backdoor to the house, tossed both into his pickup and went home.

Later that day he got a call from the cops who told him he needed to come to his rental property and that someone had stolen the doors. He went over. The cops and the renters were there. The cops said "someone stole your doors. You will need to replace them. J.R. said, OK, it will be 3-4 days before I can get to this job. Then he went back home.

The next day, he drove by the house and a blanket was spread across the front door. The 2nd day was the same. On third day, when he drove by, they were gone. And that is how he got rid of those nightmare renters.

You can believe it, or not. I never had reason to disbelieve him.

This might be a tool for some of you landlords to file away in your toolbox.

#11881 3 years ago

Here is where some of that small business loan money went. Seems to be some corporations have been dipping into this fund when they should not be doing so.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/19/business/small-businesses-ppp-loans-chain-restaurants/index.html

" In recent days, it's been revealed how large chunks of the funds were gobbled up by chain restaurants, hoteliers and publicly traded corporations."

"It's a reminder to small businesses that our voices are dampened," Richardson told CNN Business. "What are we doing this for? Why are we in business just to be told we're not good enough because we're not big enough?"

"As a result of a heavily lobbied exemption, larger food-service operations landed $10 million loans from the PPP. These include Potbelly (PBPB) Sandwich Shop and Shake Shack (SHAK), which has upward of $100 million in cash on hand, as well as Fiesta Restaurant Group Inc (FRGI)., the owner of Taco Cabana.
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https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coronavirus/jobs-economy/os-ne-coronavirus-large-companies-get-small-business-loans-20200415-gonpormpjzgjve6jquazs6f6ci-story.html

" A Maryland hotel company that did more than $1.5 billion in revenue last year has applied for more than 50 loans — and been approved for about 10 so far.

" And Winter Park’s Ruth’s Hospitality Group Inc. — the parent company of Ruth’s Chris Steak House that made $42 million in profits last year and spent $41 million buying back stock and paying dividends to shareholders — revealed Monday that it has received $20 million through two small business loans.
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https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/15/restaurant-chains-coronavirus-aid-188533

" The emerging evidence that large companies used the law to tap into the first wave of loans is sparking a new backlash against the implementation of the program, which has been beset with operational problems since its April 3 launch.

“Big Wall Street-backed restaurant chains that pay their executives super-sized bonuses should not be the first served up SBA loans by this administration," said Derek Martin, a spokesperson for the watchdog group Accountable.US. "What a slap in the face to the untold thousands of legitimate small businesses that will not survive this crisis, many because they couldn’t get the help they were promised from the president soon enough, if at all.”

#12077 3 years ago
Quoted from Gryszzz:

Back to you Cotton[quoted image]

I am home, Gryszzz ! I am home !!

#12083 3 years ago

Swampfire mentioned this a few days days ago. "At the rate we are going we will be hitting the 60K threshold for deaths in the US way before August.

We are now at 50,236 total deaths in the US. At this rate, we will see 60K deaths in another 5-6 days. May 1 is 6 days away.

Italy, Spain, France, and UK are doing so hot, either.

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New York death rate seems to have slowed down but other states' numbers are slowly rising. Some states in this part of the list thought they were going to dodge a bullet. They are being being proved wrong.

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As far as the argument that we are peaking, I'm thinking it looks like more of a plateau.

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Same for daily deaths. It looks like a plateau, as well.

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Three, or four, pork production plants have been shut down. Hundreds of pork plant workers have tested positive for Covid-19. I go to Walmart for groceries and the pork shelves are starting to look a little light.

I read where some farmers might go under which could cause some problems for the fruit and veggie shelves in the future. I'm thinking of starting to stock up on canned goods.

As this virus progresses, I am more and more thinking I will not leave the house until there is a vaccine. I don't care what the state leadership says.

My girlfriend has already received her $1200.00 stimulus check via direct deposit. The IRS.gov website says my check will be mailed out today, 4-24-2020.

That is about all from the resident voice of cheer

#12091 3 years ago
Quoted from toddsolus:

I can not see Disneyland staying closed past the Fall.....They have the tech and creativity to open and create a safe environment. I can't see Disneyland hitting even close to 20,000 until quite a bit of time has passed anyway....but even if they did, 20,000 is far fewer than typical capacity crowds there. If you hear solid news about it ...please continue to post.

What kind of daily attendance does Disney need to be profitable?

And the great unknown: What if the virus comes back with a vengeance in the fall?

I visited Universal Studios in Orlando 20 years ago. The main phrase that could be used is: Pack them in those rides like sardines.

#12094 3 years ago
Quoted from rwmech5:

Calgary Stampede cancelled. Going to be a long boring summer.

That's huge.

#12171 3 years ago

No pork.

I had to go to Walmart for groceries this evening.

No pork. No pork chops. No pork loin. No pork butt. No ground pork. Just no pork.

I don't know what the store will look like after it closes and gets restocked over night.

1 gallon on milk is now $1.59.

Some hamburger in the tubes. Some other small parts of beef. No steaks. The beef shelf was mostly empty.

No eggs. The butter shelves were getting light. I bought one box of butter for just in case.

I loaded up on some canned goods. For just in case. By the way the shelves of canned vegetables looked I could tell that I was not the only one stocking up on canned goods.

This trip to Walmart showed more of the customers are wising up and wearing a mask. Some with gloves. A few are still not wearing a mask or gloves.

#12176 3 years ago
Quoted from Darcy:

When businesses like restaurants slowly open, it appears in some areas that they might ask you some questions, and take your temperature. They will have social spacing, disposable menus, masked servers. Seems like a lot to go through for a sit down meal.

Assume a restaurant has to lose 50% of its seating to maintain social distancing. Assume there is a corresponding 50% drop in revenue. And a wild ass assumption a 50% drop in net earnings.

No eatery can survive that.

I drive by Mc Donalds. It has an OK amount of drive up traffic. Last night, Chic-filet had two drive up lines going with about 20-25 cars in each line.

Sonic has been staying real busy since it is basically and car-hop shop.

Prediction: Any fast food joint that does not have a drive thru will probably be doing some remodeling as this virus progresses.

#12213 3 years ago

This is a screen shot I took on 3-20-2020. 5 weeks ago. Both of these tables are stratified by Total Cases.

A couple of new columns have been added in the new table.

52,193 - 207 = 51,986 deaths in the US in 5 weeks/ 36 days ago. That equals an average of 1444 people dying every day.

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And this one from about 5 minutes ago.

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Here is a post from 63 days ago. This was the attitude of quite a few people way back when. What was not going to happen happened.

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#12219 3 years ago
Quoted from canea:

People start looking for license plates from the coasts and swearing under their breaths (this is kind of always true, though).

Sort of like the Indians when the white man was coming through in the wagon trains

#12273 3 years ago
Quoted from Coindork:

Oh lord.
By that chart my corona cocktail name is Bald Balls and my wife is Steamy Mellons.

Well, hello to you and your wife. My new name is Floppy Bum Squeezer. I'm waiting for Slimey Pornstar to show up

#12330 3 years ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

It’s not all doom and gloom here in nyc these days! Enjoy:

Damn, Levi. You put on a free show and get thumbed down. Who did you piss off?

That is a nice pair of Gibsons, BTW.

#12331 3 years ago
Quoted from Who-Dey:

Ok now im really confused and dont know what the hell to believe. Why do i feel like there is something fishy going on?

Drink a shot of Clorox followed by a Lysol chaser. That might help your understanding.

#12335 3 years ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Grim milestone time: 55,000 dead here.
So that’s as many US deaths in 2 months as we had in 16 years in Vietnam.

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Yes. We are a little over 55,000 deaths. And the day is not over. At the rate we have been going, we might see 60,000 in two more days.

Anybody want to make bets on when we see 70,000? 7 days? 14 days?
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#12340 3 years ago

Out here in the middle of nowhere, we have car dealership where 5 covid cases have cropped up.

https://www.kansas.com/news/coronavirus/article242286841.html

"Five COVID-19 cases were identified at the Mel Hambelton Ford car dealership of Wichita, making it the latest of clusters in Sedgwick County, officials said Friday night."

Out in the REAL middle of nowhere there are more cases popping up.

"Ford County (419 cases) and Seward County (307 cases) saw the largest leaps at 69 and 75. respectively. Together, they accounted for roughly 52 percent of the new cases in the state.

https://www.kansas.com/news/coronavirus/article242279426.html

Ford county is Dodge City. A big employer is a meat packer. ( I was informed that Marshall Dillon told the virus it had until sundown to get out of town, but the virus flipped him off )

Seward county is Liberal Kansas. The big employer is also a meat packer.
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And, as might be expected, Kansas has its share of protesters, too.

https://www.kansas.com/news/politics-government/article242300191.html

#12377 3 years ago

The U.S. health care challenge

All of these bailouts to aviation, the stimulus checks we are getting, etc. pass the test that makes me think it is all Socialism. But I don't hear of any laid off capitalists bitching about getting a $1200.00 gimme check in the mail. I am amazed at how fast "keep your hands off my jack" has turned into" all for one and one for all. "

But the U.S. healthcare system ain't feeling the love.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/27/perspectives/medicaid-health-care-coronavirus/index.html

"It's also essential that Medicaid explicitly covers treatment and vaccines for COVID-19 with no cost-sharing for patients. I fought for this common sense policy as part of the Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security (CARES) Act that cleared Congress last month, but it was not included. A vaccine coverage guarantee was included for Medicare beneficiaries in that act, and there is no reason why those who count on Medicaid should be excluded from such explicit protections.

" People who have Medicaid shouldn't have to fight endless paperwork battles to keep their coverage. Frontline health care providers shouldn't be threatened with massive cuts while workers are asked to risk their lives every day. These efforts need to end immediately.

#12380 3 years ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

This trope is so tired...
1) The hospitals adapted a ton of capacity to be stay ahead of the demand. The 'demand didn't materialize because the hospitals aren't overflowing' spin ignores the fact CHANGES WERE MADE to stay ahead of demand.. and in the hard hit areas it still was only barely enough.
2) The 'only NYC' point is outright false. The 'slice of truth' is yes, not all spots are hit as hard as the areas like NYC.. and the vast majority (by numbers) are not overwhelmed because the vast majority of the country doesn't have the same scale of outbreak. But where they do.. like Detroit and others... they too were overwhelmed
3) The oft cited "then why are they laying people off" is simple misuse of information. Medical Systems do a wide range of things. Simply because one category is busy, does not mean all categories are busy. The resources used for one type of patient treatment are not universally interchangable with other needs. Your physical therapist isn't going to be a lot of help treating COVID patients. Now apply that idea to EVERYTHING Medical Networks handle... and you can see why shutting down non-essential activities means that yes.. even Hospitals are impacted and need to reduce staffing/services.

Did you forget the part where hospitals were barred from doing elective surgeries in order to be ready for Covid-19. Elective surgeries are hospital bread and butter. The hospital profit machine. So, the hospitals have been shut down like all the other businesses. No revenue.

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#12413 3 years ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

The topic about rural vs other areas is not really a medical industry topic - but one wound up rather in the larger discussion of "is the shutdown right for all places...". But what is specific to health care is those rural hospitals are far worse equipped to handle these kinds of pandemic patient loads than their larger peers. So they are more vulnerable... but if the patient load doesn't appear because the region isn't impacted... it's preparation for naught. But that's why it's about the larger topic - not health care.
As to your linked article... you should look more at what/where and article comes from.. not just their sales pitch. That's an opinion piece pleading to end shutdowns because it puts people out of work... from someone who... wait for it... is the head of hospital staffing company! The shutdown specifically cripples his business. And he gives no reason to support his argument in that article except for the point of "its putting people out of work" (like the people he makes money putting into roles). It's a completely self-serving piece without any supporting points to the argument beyond "shutdown = people out of work".. Yeah Thx Capt Obvious M.D.
Be more skeptical of your sources... look into where their argument comes from and how they support it. And look at who is writing it and their possible motivations.
Everyone wants the shutdown to end... just getting a piece published saying so doesn't mean there is more valid reason to do so (or not!). Gotta look into the arguments about why (or why not!)

People seem to overlook when something is an opinion piece. One TV news caster (news is being generous ) also is on the radio (no. It is not gasbag Rush). I rarely listen to radio in the car anymore but a few weeks ago I had the radio on and this news caster comes on and talking about so-so this, and a different so-and-so that, and another so-and-so this. There are were about 5 govt. so-and-so's up to no good. And the news caster follows up with saying, "and if that REALLY happened, da de da clang and bang".

So, with his so-and-so diatribe he managed to pillory 5 or 6 people, than cover his ass with the disclaimer. Trouble is, he planted the seed and nobody probably bothered to listen to the disclaimer. And now, these 5 or 6 people have to deal with this.

#12416 3 years ago
Quoted from phil-lee:

The technology has not been tested or used on patients.

So, what you are saying is that Cedars Sinai has jack for what we are dealing with now? At least that is the way I read what you just said. but something is just around the corner?

I'm like Levi. Call me with the cure. There are so many suppositional possibilities being tossed out that I cannot keep up with them all.

#12420 3 years ago

I have been self isolating for the last 4 or 5 weeks. When I started there was no virus in my county. Now there are 338 cases and 6 deaths. I feel like I need to hibernate for another 4 or 5 weeks. The state has not opened up yet, but in about another week Kansas will start opening.

#12433 3 years ago
Quoted from swampfire:

We passed 1 million cases of COVAD today. Has anyone here had it yet?

No. Not me.

But a couple of days and the charts have changed. They now look like a peak. The only question is how fast of a decline we will see for what possibly could be Round 1

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#12434 3 years ago

It sounds like some might be experiencing a pay cut.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/27/success/worker-pay-cuts/index.html

"With the economy sitting at a standstill and revenue streams drying up, companies are looking for ways to reduce costs. And some are cutting salaries and benefits to help make ends meet."

"Furlough and pay reductions you didn't see as much in prior downturns. It's still scary for employees, but it's better to have 80% of income than a layoff."

"Workers who lose hours or get a reduction in pay might be eligible for unemployment benefits in some states."

"Brace yourself: Pay reductions could be just the first round of cost-cutting measures.
Some companies have also reduced retirement benefits. La-Z-Boy, for example, also froze the company's 401(k) match when it implemented pay cuts."

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#12464 3 years ago
Quoted from gweempose:

I'm not sure what your point is, but it's all just math. NYC got slammed much harder than other areas because it got hit with the virus very early, and because it is such a densely populated area.

Quoted from embryonjohn:

There’s one state in America that has a larger elderly population than New York, that is more ethnically diverse than New York, and that has two million more people than New York. Yet its death rate from COVID-19 is 5 percent that of New York. That state is Florida.

New York City is The Big Apple. Florida is an Orange state. You are trying to mix apples and oranges

#12513 3 years ago
Quoted from Blitzburgh99:

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I guess there are some advantages to living out in bumfuck Egypt

#12515 3 years ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

What a gorgeous day! We saw them make their initial fly by over the Hudson and then coming back from jersey. I think they are just wrapping up the trip down the east river now and toward Philly.[quoted image][quoted image][quoted image]

McConnell Air Force base is just down the road from me. Those noisy bastards fly right over my house when putting on a show. Normal Air Force traffic does not come this far north, but The Angels need a lot of room for their maneuvers.

#12517 3 years ago
Quoted from DCFAN:

We also have to accept that many businesses just are not going to do well as long as the risk to people's health is high.
Saying everything is open does not fix the problems with businesses that are centered around people being near one another.

For sure. There is no way I will go back to my Tuesday night pool tournaments until I am 100% sure I won't get bit.

#12521 3 years ago

Meat packer plants.

" Meat processors warn of shortages. Here's why they're getting hit so hard."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/28/business/meat-shortages-grocery-stores-coronavirus/index.html

"The United Food and Commercial Workers International Union estimated Tuesday that 20 meatpacking and food processing workers have died so far."

"So why is meat getting hit so hard?"

" For years, major meat processors have been ruthlessly tamping down on costs and increasing efficiencies. That has contributed to dangerous working conditions even before the coronavirus hit.
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" Trump to order meat processing plants to stay open"

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/28/politics/defense-production-act-executive-order-food-supply/index.html

" President Donald Trump is expected to sign a five-page executive order under the Defense Production Act to compel meat processing plants to remain open amid the coronavirus pandemic.

"We're going to sign an executive order today, I believe, and that'll solve any liability problems," Trump said on Tuesday."

" But in addition to those dangers, efforts to speed up processing has led to workers standing closer together -- about three or four feet apart from each other while working.

#12541 3 years ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

No. Not me.
But a couple of days and the charts have changed. They now look like a peak. The only question is how fast of a decline we will see for what possibly could be Round 1
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59,266 people have died. Tomorrow we will exceed 60,000 dead. New York has reduced it daily death rate but other states are coming up. You know, 20 here, 10 here, 30 here and it adds up.

As the country opens up it is going to get interesting.

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#12543 3 years ago

Several posts above, a pinball distributor sold a new pinball machine. That's a good thing.

Is anybody here going to go one a buying spree for toys and goodies. Or are you going to concentrate on just food and medical and conserve cash? Or are you going to go out and spend with wild abandon? The point being is the powers can work to open up the economy, but will anybody be willing to step out and start splashing cash? Or will you be pinching pennies.

#12556 3 years ago
Quoted from Luckydogg420:

is there anywhere in the world right now with surplus beef, at Canadian food grade standards?

Brazil grows a lot of beef but Brazil is not exactly the picture purity with 73,000 case and 5,100 deaths.

Argentina also grows a lot of beef, but only has dealt with 4,100 cases and zero deaths. But I don't know about its beef industry.

#12558 3 years ago

First, there were not enough N-95 masks. And we were told we don't need to wear masks, at all. I'm not sure how many drank that Koolaid, but eventually, people starting making their own masks out of any old kind of cloth laying around the sewing room. The authorities start telling us we need to wear masks and more and more homemade masks start coming on strongly.

And now, this: " First responders say KN95 masks are not as advertised."

https://www.boston25news.com/news/health/first-responders-made-china-kn95-masks-are-not-advertised-according-mit-researchers/WKU2LIMY5FGTPNFY5M2Q3E53SY/?outputType=amp

"The Brockton Police Department sent out a memo warning all of their officers about the Chinese-made KN95 masks, saying the masks aren’t really protecting them against this deadly virus."

" An email update sent out to officers said that tests conducted by MIT researchers determined that “they should have a filtration efficiency of 95%, but they tested at 28.1%.″
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My question(s): If this mask KN95 is not any good, what the hell chance does grandma's homemade mask have in providing protection?

It makes no sense.

What little trust I have had with the government putting out honest information has, rightly or wrongly, evaporated.

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#12560 3 years ago

So much for social distancing.

"‘This is not okay’ — Sunday was the busiest day for air travel in weeks."

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-is-not-okay-sunday-was-the-busiest-day-for-air-travel-in-weeks-2020-04-28?mod=mw_more_headlines
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Since I do see a couple of people wearing masks, so I assume the picture is accurate. And I don't see much social distancing going on here. Everything I have been reading was saying the middle seats would not be used. But it looks like this airline company could not avoid the temptation for get those seats filled.
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#12570 3 years ago
Quoted from Murphdom:

Grandma isn’t directly in peoples faces touching them and giving them CPR or getting spit at by some idiot. Grandma isn’t in an infected crime scene for several hours sweating her ass off to keep the scene secure. Grandma isn’t intubating a patient as spit flies everywhere. Those are just a few reasons why we wear N95’s. You get spit on or go in an infected area and you might change your mind

Change my mind? I'm not knocking anybody wearing an N95. And I did not say anything such.

The article suggested the cop shop got a lousy batch of KN-95s. And I did not know there could be a lousy batch. I thought a mask was a mask. But apparently not. My point is the cops don't feel safe with their batch of masks, so why should anybody feel like they are doing any good by wearing a homemade mask that goes through no quality control measures are far as filtering out the bad stuff.

#12573 3 years ago

Trump has signed an order requiring the meet packers to stay open.

In the 20th Century there were several times that employees went on strike such as the coal minors or other items critical to the economy and the President made a call to action requiring the strikers to get back to work. But these were employee driven strikes over wages and benefits.

This is different meat packing stuff is different due to the health risks.

"Meat plant workers to Trump: Employees aren't going to show up."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/29/business/meat-processing-plant-workers-reaction-executive-order/index.html

The meat packing employees say they are not coming back to work because of the health risks. Can the government require them to go back to work in an unhealthy work environment? I mean, if a group of employees flip the govt. off and say they are not going back in, could they be taken to jail for refusing to work?

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#12605 3 years ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Nobody is going to be clamoring to scab these jobs if the usual workers are too scared or sick to show up.

Except for maybe some wanna be immigrants who want to come to the states. The Feds could open the floodgates to a whole new lot of immigrants who would step right up and we could see the borders magically open up.

#12610 3 years ago
Quoted from gweempose:

I'm a meat eater, and I still don't understand why meat production is so fundamentally important that we can't make do without it until the job can be done safely again. Will people starve if they don't have meat for a month? Don't we have plenty of fruits, vegetables, grains, fish, eggs, etc ...?

It is not just the packers. It is the farmers and ranchers, as well. If they have no market to take their hogs/cattle to they are going to have to start culling their herds. So now you not only have the problem of not be able to sell your livestock for a profit, you have to kill them off and find find something to do with all of the dead bodies. And the next thing that happens is the farmer has to start to build his herd from scratch again. That takes time.

And then when the packers are ready to open back up, there may not be any livestock coming in for slaughter.

#12611 3 years ago
Quoted from frisbez:

Just going to post some Killer Mike lyrics.
"Cos free labor is the cornerstone of US economics
Cos slavery was abolished, unless you are in prison
You think I am bullshitting, then read the 13th Amendment
Involuntary servitude and slavery it prohibits
That's why they giving drug offenders time in double digits"

Over in El Dorado KS is state penitentiary. It has been there for around 30 years ( It is where BTK is on Death Row ). One thing the prison did was allow the low level felons to work for the city doing lawn and garden work. etc.

Several year ago, the prison changed it parameters and closed down the outside-work programs. And the El Dorado mayor was quoted about wondering how she was going to get all that city lawn work done now that she was going to have to pay for it.

#12612 3 years ago
Quoted from Blitzburgh99:

Poor people in other parts of the world don’t feast on dogs and bats

Do you ever watch documentaries on some of the Asian countries and see a bunch/pack of dogs running around. I always thought they were pets, just like here. Wrong.

Those dogs are sources of food that hang around for scraps and don't need to be fenced in.

#12634 3 years ago
Quoted from ForceFlow:

Yeah, the deposit came in over two weeks ago, though.

Since I am retired, my income is low enough that I have not paid income taxes for 5 five years. I did not get direct deposit. But I got my check in the mail on Monday and I also was informed that I would get a letter like you got. Got the check but no letter.

#12636 3 years ago
Quoted from jimjim66:

I read that the letter was to be like a receipt in case the funds did not show up in your account for whatever reason.
The last 2 years I owed on Federal, and got back my state taxes. I thought it was the other way around and was waiting for the electronic deposit on the stimulus. When I checked on the irs website, it did not say anything about receiving a stimulus check. I was actually waiting for the letter you got in case there was an error and for some reason my stimulus did not process.
It dawned on me my last federal direct deposit refund was 3 years ago, and my direct deposits the last 2 were state. I probably now have another 2-3 weeks to wait for my physical check.

Go to IRS.gov. Right there on the front page is a click banner that says "Get my Payment". You may want last years tax info handy. All you need to do is fill in the boxes. SSN, Last name. and Street address. I did that last week and it said my check would mail on 4-24. and it did.

#12643 3 years ago

We did it. One day before the end of the month.

61,669 deaths.

1,064,572 total cases.

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OK. How many more will die by May 15? I'm going to say an average of 1500 per day. That would be another 22,500 people. The would put us at 84,000 dead.

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#12658 3 years ago
Quoted from Blitzburgh99:

why do people from those areas want to come to the United States? Why do people leave such beautiful areas to work these hard jobs in American meat packing/processing plants?

Here's one: When NAFTA was signed into law, the U.S. flooded Mexico with cheap corn. The Mexican farmers could not compete and had to go look for work. Guess where they came.

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2014/01/10/after-20-years-nafta-leaves-mexicos-economy-ruins#

https://www.eater.com/2018/9/19/17878946/nafta-mexico-america-trade-agreement-farming-diet

https://money.cnn.com/2017/02/09/news/economy/nafta-farming-mexico-us-corn-jobs/index.html

" As cheap American corn came pouring in from the border, it had a devastating effect on her family. Her father, Benancio Mendoza, couldn't compete and make a living wage selling corn. He had to give up and move to the United States looking for a job. He took up a job as a cook in Tennessee, saving up money to send home so his kids could attend school.
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"He went north looking for a job and I didn't see him again for 18 years," says Mendoza, who now works as a secretary for the local government.
While NAFTA did boost Mexico's manufacturing industry, it gutted many farming towns -- especially mom and pop corn farmers like Benancio's.

#12659 3 years ago
Quoted from RTR:

Prison labor in meat packing plants? That's been going on a long time. Those are tough, terrible jobs. I was a Physical Therapist for a while and saw many patients from local chicken processing plants. So many that I volunteered to take a couple intensive tours of the plant and make some ergonomic assessments/recs. They didn't accept any of the recommendations. Cheaper just to pay the workers comp premiums and keep that cheap chicken headed our way.
https://www.themarshallproject.org/2020/03/19/north-carolina-prisoners-still-working-in-chicken-plants-despite-coronavirus-fears

That is a good article.

"If we can trust them to go into a chicken plant every day, why not just release them?” Pollard asked. “Incarceration should not exist to provide workers for Tyson.”

I think I have an answer to that question: Privately run prisons.

Privately run prisons, instead of state run prisons, have to turn a profit. That means they have to keep those cells full. And when a judge has a stake in a prison ( yes , it has happened) he is going to be ruining peoples lives so his prison stake can pay its bills.

#12665 3 years ago
Quoted from Daditude:

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Daitude, you missed your calling. You should be on SNL with some of these pics you put up.

#12670 3 years ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

April wasn’t so hot.
Maybe May will be better!

Maybe we will get lucky and this will be like that volcano in Hawaii a couple of years ago. For several weeks in was disrupting lives in Hawaii with no estimate for how long it would last. And then on one day it was all over.

#12731 3 years ago
Quoted from arcademojo:

A UPMC doctor on Thursday made a case the death rate for people infected with the new coronavirus may be as low as 0.25% — far lower than the mortality rates of 2-4% or even higher cited in the early days of the pandemic.
https://www.pennlive.com/news/2020/04/umpc-argues-covid-19-not-as-deadly-as-feared-says-its-hospitals-will-shift-back-to-normal.html

As far as I am concerned, these are the only numbers that matter.

We are at 63,856 dead today. At this rate we will see 70,000 by Tuesday.

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#12732 3 years ago

Here is a Mark Cuban interview.

A ways back in the interview he talks why a restaurant can't open up to 25% capacity and hope to make a profit.

He also sounds more responsive to the safety needs of the employees.

#12744 3 years ago

I feel sorry for the meat packing employees.

The Prez. used the Defense Production Act to order the meat packers to stay open only because the meat packer bosses lobbied for him to use the act.

Seems all of the towns the packers are located in want/wanted the packers to shut down because they are cesspools for spreading the virus. So, the packers wanted govt. help to override what the locals officials wanted. And also to get some sort of shield for liabilities.

Whether the worker bees get good PPE and get to work in a safe environment seems to be way down on the list of things to do.

I can understand the packers desperation. If the packers shut down, the farmers and ranchers will have to start culling their herds of cattle and hogs. It will take a long time to recover if farmers get shut down.

The packers big concern: Will the employees come back to work without some safety guarantees?

Anyway, the first 18 minutes is informative.

#12746 3 years ago

Actually, that song was written in Australia in 1959. Johnny Cash was a late arrival to sing it in 1996.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I%27ve_Been_Everywhere

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#12769 3 years ago

If you want government money, you need to be a good bullshitter and tell them what they want to hear.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/01/us/coronavirus-moderna-vaccine-invs/index.html

" In quest for vaccine, US makes 'big bet' on company with unproven technology"

#12778 3 years ago
Quoted from o-din:

One thing is for sure, although China's numbers may not be correct, there is no way in hell the USA will take the measures they did to slow the spread.

China does not have an election in 2020. It can piss off anyone it wants.

#12787 3 years ago
Quoted from o-din:

Each state has been left to handle it in their own ways. Rightfully so, as the pandemic is hitting harder and at different times depending where you are.
Florida seems to be on the cutting edge now, with their own way of doing things.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/florida-curtails-reporting-of-coronavirus-death-numbers-by-county-medical-examiners-173503327.html

All except that some of the states keep getting second guessed. I felt sorry for the governor of Georgia.

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#12797 3 years ago
Quoted from hAbO:

Michigan protests on Thursday to open up.
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Ca some body tell me how those Michigan idiots manage to get into a courthouse with assault weapons? If I walked into either county courthouse or the Federal Courthouse across the packing any kind of heat, even a BB gun, I would be on the ground in handcuffs.

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#12822 3 years ago

I know pinside will not ask, and maybe the mods will take this down, but some of you grey hearts here need to step up. You are around here enough that you are benefitting.

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#12823 3 years ago

https://infection2020.com/

I wish that would had the foresight to have taken a screenshot of this map 4 or 5 weeks ago for comparison.

There is a lot of red in here.

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But I do have these from 3-17-2020 from when we were just getting started.

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Barely 6 weeks ago, The U.S. #8 from the top with 97 deaths. And now we are 66,260 deaths. In 6 weeks !

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The powers can open the country all they want. I leave the house only for groceries. Without a vaccine, I don't see that changing.

#12826 3 years ago

Well, apparently, Dr. Fauci knows things and says things that chap the White House.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/01/politics/anthony-fauci-white-house-blocks-house-testimony/index.html

"White House blocks Fauci from testifying next week".

TWH will not let Fauci testify in the House, but he will be testifying in front of the Senate.
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Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Dr. Birx seems to be an expert at Washington speak. She talks a lot but does not say much; It is the old "if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit" program. I listen to her talk and shake my head but I can't figure out what she is talking about.

#12831 3 years ago

Government run Child care?

"The economy can't recover until parents have child care again."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/02/economy/reopening-economy-child-care-wellness/index.html

" Governors, mayors and President Trump are eager for the US economy to reopen. But child care -- or lack thereof -- could be the X factor to determine when that will happen.

The coronavirus pandemic has already shut schools and day cares, leaving America's working parents stuck juggling their professional and child care responsibilities at home. Now the summer holidays are around the corner, but it's uncertain whether summer camps will open."

" In the economy everything is connected. If people aren't going to work, that has a knock-on effect: Working from home means people don't spend money on train tickets, gas, lunches or dry cleaning."

" Mike Englund, principal director and chief economist at Action Economics, said all of this means households with two working parents will need to adopt a strategy to cope, perhaps with one parent working from home, quitting their job or not looking for a new one if they were laid off.
That continues the knock-on effect.
If people leave the labor force altogether to take care of their kids, "that reduces the labor force and the employment level, so we get a less rapid bounce," Englund added."

" Since April 1, essential workers in health care, human services, government and infrastructure qualify for the state's child care assistance program.

That means Illinois will cover most, if not all, of the costs of child care for essential workers, irrespective of their income.
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Between these kinds of social programs and the mainstreaming of remote work, coronavirus could change the nature of work forever."
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I never married and have no children.

To the parents here: How is child care going to determine your actions?
If both of you were working will one of you now stay home?

Would you be OK if the government picks up the tab?

#12876 3 years ago
Quoted from ForceFlow:

Sounds like Warren Buffet sold all his airline stocks. It seems like it could be because that industry is now going to be too unpredictable to be a stable investment with travel being down.
I'm certainly not making any travel plans for the near future.

Here is some reading on it with Warren speaking. Thanks for posting it.

" I think there are certain industries, and unfortunately, I think that the airline industry, among others, that are really hurt by a forced shutdown by events that are far beyond our control"

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/02/warren-buffett-says-berkshire-sold-its-entire-position-in-airlines-because-of-the-coronavirus.html

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#12877 3 years ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

The powers can open the country all they want. I leave the house only for groceries. Without a vaccine, I don't see that changing.

Quoted from wrb1977:

Other than wishful thinking, what makes you think that a vaccine will be available?

I didn't say I thought a vaccine would be available. Where did you come up with that?

#12915 3 years ago
Quoted from ForceFlow:

Video from a couple weeks ago about refrigerated trucks:

Video from a month ago with a funeral home director being interviewed on why he was storing remains over capacity and unrefrigerated:

And a follow-up article on the situation many NYC funeral homes are facing: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/30/nyregion/coronavirus-nyc-funeral-home-morgue-bodies.html

Interesting article. I like the mortician girl and watch her on YT from time to time.

#12917 3 years ago
Quoted from ForceFlow:

I've heard of retail stores doing curb-side pick-up.

It is hodge dodge around here. Grocery stores and Walmart are open. Home Depot and Lowes are open. The liquor stores are open. Auto parts stores are open. But strip malls with clothing stores, and all the other bric-a-brac are closed. I drove out to Michael's the other day for a craft project; Michaels is doing the "bring your stuff to the door" thing. I am a touch-feel person. I'll wait until the situation changes and that could be a long time.

#12923 3 years ago
Quoted from wrb1977:

What you said in a previous post indicated that...
“The powers can open the country all they want. I leave the house only for groceries. Without a vaccine, I don't see that changing.”
Unless I misunderstood you or you didn’t mean what you said, it seems you are not leaving the house for anything other than groceries until a vaccine is available. Is that correct?

In 6 weeks I have left the house for groceries; I have been to see my girlfriend twice; We meet and talk on her front porch at a social distance ; She has respiratory issues and is terrified. I did try to go to Michaels the other day for some pinball related project material; Michaels is closed for inside sales. I have had to buy gasoline twice. I take the dog to the park for his daily walk.

I do not see anything more happening for me until there is a vaccine. Or at least until the dead bodies quit stacking up.

We now have 67,954 total deaths and the day is still young. I am still thinking we break 70,000 deaths by Tuesday.

It is obviously not under control; I find myself wondering what the govt. will be saying when we break 80,000.

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#12926 3 years ago

Mark Cuban is talking about the need for a new New Deal and other business ideas to get the economy rolling.

#12959 3 years ago
Quoted from swampfire:

It’s time to read this excellent article again. We’re in the “dance” phase now, trying to keep R0 under 1. It’s all about the masks now, IMHO.
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56

That's a fantastic article. It does give me some measure of comfort.

#12966 3 years ago

Putin used to head the KGB. Sounds plausible.

#12968 3 years ago
Quoted from DCFAN:

We are never going to know the true scope of what is happening in China and Russia. China silenced doctors early on and now Russia appears to be offing a few in dramatic ways to intimidate those that would like to speak out. Heck, even Florida is not fully releasing death numbers.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11538409/third-russian-doctor-falls-window-coronavirus/

Hell, some of the powers in my county are trying to do the coverup or hide and seek routine. Russia and China do not have a monopoly on lying politicians.

https://www.kansas.com/opinion/editorials/article242343011.html

" Officials repeatedly have cited privacy concerns as the reason for keeping details of clusters secret — including several church clusters at the center of a debate about restricting religious gatherings. They worry that disclosing cluster sites could make individuals more easily identifiable.

"They also say they don’t divulge details if they believe a cluster is contained and the general public is not at risk.

"That’s not good enough.

"The public must have accurate, complete information during a public health crisis, particularly when it comes to where and when residents may have been exposed to the virus.

"Kansas shouldn’t leave it up to counties — and certainly not to individual businesses, nursing homes, churches, or other facilities — to provide information.

"Many health experts note that it was the government’s suppression of information about the virus in China that allowed it to spread quickly before measures were taken to stem it.

#12979 3 years ago
Quoted from Wolfmarsh:

Here is a pic of the produce box we got saturday. We ate the fresh green beans last night. [quoted image]

Those are some huge green onions !

#13000 3 years ago
Quoted from BobSacamano:

A great message.
I wonder what Honest Abe would say during these challenging times?
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Four score and seven years ago....?

Actually, I think Honest Abe would say something like this: You new leaders think you are my equal. But you fail to make the hard choices. The choices I had to make caused four years of hardship for the country. Many on both sides gave their lives for something they believed in. Many more had their lives disrupted beyond compare. You do not know hard decisions. None of you are my equal.

#13003 3 years ago

We will be at 70,000 deaths by tomorrow for sure. Maybe even today.

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Now, the website tracking the numbers is breaking some of the states out by county.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

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Here is part of the Texas breakout numbers by county. For those who don't know, Harris county is Houston, Dallas county is Dallas, and Tarrant county is Ft. Worth.

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#13004 3 years ago

Meat is starting to be rationed at the retailers. Costco calls them "purchasing limits".

At Costco, you get one beef, one pork, and one chicken product. Or mix and match.

Despite The Prez. ordering the packers to stay open, Tyson is open but at reduced capacity.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/04/business/costco-meat-purchases/index.html

" Tyson (TSN) Foods warned Monday that it expects more meat plant closures this year. The company also said it will continue producing less meat than usual, as workers refrain from coming to work during the outbreak. The pandemic has halved the amount of pork processing capacity in the country, Tyson said in its earnings call."

#13009 3 years ago

21,581 new U.S. cases today.

69,476 total deaths.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

#13021 3 years ago
Quoted from skink91:

That should be Total Deaths. Scared me even worse for a moment.

Thank you. Corrected.

And the total deaths of 69,476 is now 69,921 for the end of day number.

#13060 3 years ago
Quoted from Blitzburgh99:

This is a tale of two societies...
those who are employed and working from home with no worries about losing their jobs and health coverage.
Then there are those who are weeks away from losing the roof over their heads, their entire business, and/or their health care coverage.
Those in the first group need to show a little more empathy for the people in the second group.

Good observation. The sad part is some of these people will wind up homeless through no fault of their own. They will be joining ranks of others who are homeless just be cause rents got jacked up beyond what they could pay. The high paying Google jobs and Amazon jobs came in and upset their apple cart. Now they are on the street and more than a few here throw all of the homeless into one big pile and call them worthless, or worse.

#13061 3 years ago

Total deaths = 70,129.

Onward to 80K.

#13076 3 years ago
Quoted from ForceFlow:

All these people who are showing poor judgement, entitlement, etc. have always been around. It's only during this particular event where many of them have been brought into the spotlight.

Back in the 80s, Detroit was getting hit hard with the car factories laying off right and left. This was the start of the long term decline in auto worker jobs. This time the jobs were not coming back.

There was a Chinese tourist walking down the street. Two laid off auto workers, a father and son, accused the guy of taking their jobs and attacked the guy with a baseball bat and beat him to death.

Some things I never forget reading about.

Like the guy in Wyoming that two rednecks hauled out into the pastureland, tied him to a fence, beat him mercilessly, and left him to die on the fence.

While I am on a roll, back in 2001-2002, down in east Texas, 3 white guys chained a black man, James Byrd, to the back of their pickup truck and drug him to death. The last of the 3 was finally executed Huntsville TX a year or so ago.

And if anybody wants to get their eyes opened, go to the library and start looking at the old newspapers that are on film. People been doing other people dirty in this country ever since the Mayflower hit shore.

#13077 3 years ago
Quoted from gweempose:

I don't want this to devolve into a gun debate. My point was simply that I can't comprehend that someone would be so angry about being asked to wear a mask that they would take someone's life over it.

You need to get out more. There are. a lot of mental midgets out running around.

#13079 3 years ago

One good thing about this virus: No Robocalls.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/05/tech/robocalls-decline-coronavirus/index.html

"Americans experienced a drop in the amount of robocalls flooding their phones in April, helped by international call centers being shut down during the global pandemic and government efforts to stop Covid-19-related scams."

#13107 3 years ago
Quoted from Daditude:

An interesting thing happened today. My grandmother received a Stimulus check. She passed away over 6 months ago and she hadn't had a tax return filed in about 20 years.

You are not the only one that has happened to. Do not keep it. Do not try to pass Go. Give it back. They will find you and it will be for fraud.

It happens with social security checks once in awhile. Usually, though, the surviving spouse needed the money and kept cashing the checks. They usually get by with it for about 6 months.

EDIT: Call your local IRS and SS office. They will get you fixed up.

#13110 3 years ago
Quoted from ForceFlow:

I wear gloves whenever I'm handling something that other people have handled.

I have relatives who still get mail for deceased relatives who have been gone for over 10 years. And those deceased relatives never resided at the address. Their names are on a list somewhere.
I think official mail finally stopped after about 5 years of telling senders that they were deceased. Now it's just junk mail, AARP magazine offers, loan offers, and whatnot. These organizations don't seem to care that they are sending mail to dead people at addresses where they've never resided.

When my neighbor had to move to a care home several years ago, I looked after the house for her grown daughter. The mailbox was always full of junk mail. Finally, the son-in-law removed the mail box and that solved the problem.

#13113 3 years ago

With all of the old timers dying off and leaving empty homes behind one might be able to make some great real estate deals. Interest rates are zero; You could make one hell of a loan

Hell, I might even be able to move to New York and buy a brownstone.

#13133 3 years ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

Total deaths = 70,129.
Onward to 80K.

Tuesday ended up with 72,271 total deaths. Today's number was 2,350 new deaths. I was guessing we would be at 70K. I was a little light.

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#13141 3 years ago
Quoted from MrBally:

there is an average of 8,000 deaths/month. In April, 2020 there were 6,400 deaths in Michigan.

When you want to start talking averages, don't forget about the man who drowned in a river with an average depth of 4 inches.

#13163 3 years ago
Quoted from gweempose:

Perhaps the CDC purposely gives inflated flu death estimates in order to encourage more people to get a flu shot each year.

I only got flu shots sporadically through the years. Hell, I did not know anyone died of the flu until this Covid hit; They sure kept that a close secret.

I will not be missing any flu shots in the future, though.

#13165 3 years ago

I sent an email to a relative:
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We are now at 70,000 deaths. Now Trump and company are saying expectations for us to see 3,000 deaths a day.

( I included a few links )

And in other news, the country is opening back up. I hope the administration has things under control. That is what I have been hearing since way back when we had zero cases in the U.S.

But I ain’t leaving home.

Stay home. Stay safe.
==========================

This is what I got back.
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What do you expect? People have to go back to work. bible talks about a virus with no cure, or is that what I read?
Not Trump's problem. It you and I are to blame when we go out un protective.

#13212 3 years ago
Quoted from swampfire:

I'm surprised that I still only know 1 person that got this. She was in her 20s and she recovered pretty well. It would almost be easier (?) to live in a hot spot where everyone knows someone who died from COVID-19, so everyone's being careful.

I feel the same way. My county has 439 cases and 15 deaths. 15 deaths is 2 or 3 car wreck fatalities to people around here.

Another trip to Walmart. The state is starting to get ready to open up. The sun is shining. Very few seem to have a care in the world. We need for some peoples neighbors to start dying off for awake up call.

I have not yet taken advantage of the seniors morning shopping times. I think I will start taking advantage of the mornings.

#13234 3 years ago

Take a break,

The shark is a Great White. Jaws is some millions years old monster.

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#13268 3 years ago
Quoted from ForceFlow:

77 cell phone towers in the UK have been set on fire so far, 40 incidents of verbal/physical attacks against telcom staff, and one engineer was stabbed, as the result of some people believing the completely outlandish and baseless conspiracy theory about 5G being the cause of coronavirus.
https://www.businessinsider.com/77-phone-masts-fire-coronavirus-5g-conspiracy-theory-2020-5
4 cell tower fires in Quebec:
https://globalnews.ca/news/6905672/quebec-cellphone-tower-fires-conspiracy-theory/
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2020/05/06/trudeau-warns-of-severe-penalties-after-fourth-cellphone-tower-torched-in-quebec.html

Remember the Salem witch hunts.

Some times I think if Orson Wells "War of the Worlds" were put out on radio today it would still cause the havoc it caused in 1938.

#13278 3 years ago
Quoted from ForceFlow:

Actually, that's just a legend. Just sensationalized reporting that was repeated over the decades.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2013/10/30/241797346/75-years-ago-war-of-the-worlds-started-a-panic-or-did-it

I have never heard that before. Interesting. Considering newspapers and radios sometimes shoot before they draw, very believable.

#13279 3 years ago
Quoted from Reality_Studio:

I live in an area with older folk, so when AT&T tried to install a 5G tower near us many of them got together, sent out letters to the community and ultimately got it shut down. I thought of sending them this pic, but they would probably believe it.
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We had a situation around here last year with some new towers being built. The company placing the towers was blasting through a neighborhood of mostly rentals. It was not about what the towers were going to be used for. It was about people stepping out their front door only to see the base of a large tower being planted in their front yard.

#13284 3 years ago

Our government has no balls.

I feel sorry for bus drivers.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/07/economy/transit-bus-driver-safety/index.html

"Miami-Dade County bus driver Miakeya Rolle says she hasn't had a good night's rest since a passenger intentionally spit on her."

"On the afternoon of April 19, a homeless woman boarded Rolle's bus and began coughing on passengers, according to a police report. Rolle told her she needed to wear a mask. The woman spat on Rolle and fled the bus."

" The administration has recommended transit agencies make policies regarding facial coverings to reduce the risk of Covid-19, but stopped short of a mandate. Federal law says that the secretary of the Department of Transportation may "issue directives with respect to the safety of the public transportation system."

#13325 3 years ago

Huh?

Florida is number 8 on the list of total cases. I'm not sure that is something to be "bragging" about. Other than maybe it could have been worse.

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#13326 3 years ago
Quoted from o-din:

I have decided I won't be going back to work as long as it is necessary to wear a mask to deal with people and their cars. And I'm sure I'm not alone. It wasn't in my job description before, and it won't be now or in the future. Getting in and out of cars all day is prime for spreading viruses anyway.
The only thing grosser than people's cars is the constant wearing of a mask and can make you sick breathing your own spuge for hours at a time. Don't mind putting one on when shopping, but that's it.

For sure. I used to mechanic. I know of what you speak. A lot of peoples' cars are rolling trash bins. They would need to be sprayed down with one of those sprayers I now see on the news.

I also worked in the aircraft factories. Nobody is going to be wearing a mask when it is 100 degrees on the floor and inside a fuselage (metal tube) with just a couple of fans circulating hot air.

#13375 3 years ago

Why the picture of the late Doug Henning, the magician who referred to his self as an illusionist?

#13420 3 years ago
Quoted from screaminr:

We have a few really big spiders as well , they also scare the shit out of me .
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You guys in Australia have a lot of bad creepy crawlies sharing space with you !

#13421 3 years ago
Quoted from screaminr:

WTF - Murder Hornets real ? I thought they were made up .
You think they could come up with a scarier name for them .

Actually, they are the Japanese giant hornet.

https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=japanese+hornet&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Here is a guy that travels the world to sample all kinds of stings from all kinds of don't-screw-with-me creatures. Hell, maybe he will find a cure for Covid-19

#13422 3 years ago

Meanwhile, on the pinball chasing threads, pinsiders are hitting the highways to pick up the pins they have been looking for.

#13450 3 years ago

80,037 total deaths.

You all know. where the links are at.

#13545 3 years ago
Quoted from Who-Dey:

Krogers sucks. I cannot believe how much cheaper Wal Mart is on their groceries than Kroger is. I would rather support Krogers but their prices are just too high.

I think, but cannot verify, that Kroger pays its experienced help a little better than Walmart. I doubt Walmart is getting any swinging deals on the food it sells. The savings have to come from somewhere.

#13546 3 years ago
Quoted from gweempose:

There are simply no words ..

The real sad part is that these people vote.

#13558 3 years ago
Quoted from Who-Dey:

I bet you are wrong because Krogers doesn't pay for shit from what i have heard and ive heard Wal Mart doesn't pay too bad. Wal Mart has buying power because of how much product that they buy. That gives them power which isnt always a good thing either.

No retail job pays anything to amount to crap, unless you are in some sort of management. And, of course, those who work in corporate will tend to do better than the outliers.

Kroger is located in 42 states. That is big enough to gain buying power. I would be willing to bet it gets pretty much the same prices as Walmart. But we are talking mostly about groceries, not general merchandise.

#13561 3 years ago
Quoted from swampfire:

I’d be in that 5%, I love feeling the breeze while I’m out in public. Solves the 6 foot problem too!

What are you using for a measuring stick

#13563 3 years ago
Quoted from Luckydogg420:

Bill gates’ quote about vaccines and population control are always taken out of context. Bill was talking about 3rd world countries where families have huge lots of children because infant/child mortality is so high. The countries where families have 10 kids because there’s a good chance 1/2 will die from malnutrition or disease. If parents don’t have to worry about multiple child deaths, then they may have less child births. Hopefully only have enough to kids to care for ect. In order to do this you don’t just need vaccinations you also needs education and contraception, and it just so happens that these are the things being improved in 3rd world countries.
Population control through birth rates and education and vaccines.

If you ever go to some the old cemeteries in the US, you are walking into history. You will see many many gravestones of a child that has died who was less than 5 years old. And many who were babies less than one year old.

I have never married and have no children; One day a Vietnamese co-worker asked me who would be looking after me when I got older.

In the lesser developed societies having many children are cheap labor for working on the farm and the retirement package as you get old. And you are correct; As more education gets distributed, the family sizes are coming down.

#13565 3 years ago
Quoted from swampfire:

No, the sad part is that a lot of sensible people don’t vote.

Great point.

#13566 3 years ago

It is interesting to see who up-thumbs someone and who down-thumbs someone. I have a couple of down-voting hell hounds on my trail. Does not matter what I say, they are always there

#13597 3 years ago

Back in the day. Before truth in advertising.

Not Covid related but this is where the action and curiosity lives.

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#13647 3 years ago
Quoted from chad:

I had no idea costs and fees were this high for restaurants using GrubHub. 46 meals cost over $1000 and they only receive $300 plus. Unreal.
https://news.yahoo.com/much-restaurants-really-order-grubhub-171851427.html

That is big bite. But what I am seeing is that even without the big bite this shop only brought in $1,042.63 for the month. That might pay for the lights. But no restaurant is going to be open very long with a monthly revenue of $1000.00.

https://news.yahoo.com/much-restaurants-really-order-grubhub-171851427.html

" In late April, Chicago Pizza Boss owner Giuseppe Badalamenti shared a photo of a March statement from Grubhub, one of the country's biggest food delivery apps. The now-viral post revealed one of Badalamenti's restaurant clients brought in $1,042.63 worth of orders during the month — but only pocketed $376.54 after all of Grubhub's fees were deducted.

#13653 3 years ago
Quoted from Blitzburgh99:

Now, there’s no diversity of perspective and this thread is more closed minded than ever

For someone concerned about diversity, you sure manage to stay busy thumbing down a lot of posts.

#13669 3 years ago

Good news? Where? Would you hi light the words in this link that you consider good news, please? Cause I ain't seeing it.

#13677 3 years ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Today I might move the guitar amp out on to the fire escape and melt some faces.

#13682 3 years ago
Quoted from ZNET:

Sure. See attached. It's an early breakthrough, but a "breakthrough " nonetheless, as described in the article.
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Sorry. I could not get passed this part.

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get back with me when the human trials get started.

#13696 3 years ago

First article I have read about people's pets. There are a lot of orphaned dogs and cats out there.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/12/us/pets-of-coronavirus/index.html

#13699 3 years ago
Quoted from Mr68:

Come on man. You're posting death charts every other day and often focused on the negative blame game. He post something promising and you jump his shit? Lets play nice here.

Here is a positive one. Llamas.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2020/05/12/belgium-ghent-llama-antibody-coronavirus-robertson-pkg-intl-hnk-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/coronavirus-intl/

They are about ready to test it on mice and hamsters.

#13769 3 years ago
Quoted from wrb1977:

That is NOT the difference maker or the primary reason why our numbers are higher.
I’ve discussed this before, you cannot compare either of two island countries with the US. If you want to compare numbers with Australia or New Zealand use our state of Hawaii for something at least comparable, but with a lesser but still significant population...
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Hawaii has had a total of 17 covid deaths.

Maybe below are the reasons why.
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From March 21;

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/21/travel/coronavirus-tourists-conflict.html

" On March 17, Hawaii’s governor, David Ige, asked travelers to postpone trips for 30 days. “The actions I’m announcing today may seem extreme to some of you, and we know that it will have negative effects to our economy. But we are confident that taking aggressive actions now will allow us to have a quicker recovery when this crisis is over,” Governor Ige said in a news release. "
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From April 9:

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/04/09/lawmakers-want-changes-keep-visitors-out-hawaii-during-pandemic/

" State says ‘most’ visitors coming to Hawaii likely not following quarantine order."

" Two weeks after the state’s mandatory quarantine for travelers went into effect, state officials are now acknowledging that most visitors aren’t adhering to the order."

" Added state Sen. Michelle Kidani: “To me, asking local residents to lock down and allowing tourists in is like having a peeing section in a swimming pool. It makes no sense."

" I notice the visitors because to me, I think they stick out because we all know to wear our masks,” said Waikiki resident Stephen Danforth."

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From May 8

Looks like Hawaii got fed up with those who don't want to play by the rules. And Hawaii's economy is hurting badly with 25%-35% unemployment.
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/news/2020/05/08/coronavirus-hawaii-arresting-tourist-who-break-quarantine-rules/3098049001/

" Hawaii is arresting tourists who don't abide by the state's quarantine rules. "

" HONOLULU — Hawaii authorities are cracking down on rogue tourists who are visiting beaches, riding personal watercraft, shopping and generally flouting strict requirements that they quarantine for 14 days after arriving.

" A newlywed California couple left their Waikiki hotel room repeatedly, despite being warned by hotel staff, and were arrested. Others have been arrested at a hotel pool, loading groceries into a vehicle outside a Costco and bringing take-out food back to a hotel room.

" The rules, the strictest in any U.S. state, have helped keep infections relatively low. As of Wednesday, Hawaii reported 626 coronavirus cases and 17 deaths.

" Hotels are being told to issue room keys that are only operable for checking in, so that when guests leave the room they have to go to the front desk to ask for a new one — a signal they have left their room in violation of the quarantine, ..."

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From May 11

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/trapped-in-paradise-breaking-quarantine-could-mean-prison-time-for-tourists-in-hawaii-1.4933877

" Trapped in paradise: Breaking quarantine could mean prison time for tourists in Hawaii"

" Roving neighborhood police patrols. Uniformed soldiers manning checkpoints. A vast surveillance network of hotel staff and health department officials on the lookout for anyone breaking quarantine.

" This isn't an authoritarian dictatorship. It's the US state of Hawaii, where officials have been enforcing some of the strictest measures in the country aimed at stopping the spread of the coronavirus.

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If these links can be believed, it sounds like Hawaii is not screwing around. While here in the 48, people are copping attitudes and in general making asses of theirselves and endangering others. And then taking their attitudes to Hawaii.

#13795 3 years ago
Quoted from gambit3113:

Mother's Day was an amazing display of letting the guard down. We are going to spike to high holy hell starting the week of the 24th. June is going to be gnarly.

No worries. The government has already prepared for that by saying it/they expect to see 140,000 deaths by August. As long as we stay below that number we are on cruise control.

#13855 3 years ago
Quoted from KerryImming:

This is going to sound insensitive but it comes down to the price of a human life

Now you are talking like the risk management officer in an insurance company who studies the actuarial tables.

#13857 3 years ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

So I see we are right back where we were two months ago...promising a vaccine in months when WE ALL KNOW it'll be over a year.
People can't possibly be buying this nonsense, can they?

Prez says the military will be mobilized to distribute the vaccine. Says by the end of the year.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/14/coronavirus-latest-updates.html

“You know it’s a massive job to give this vaccine,” Trump said in an interview with Fox Business Network. “Our military is now being mobilized, so at the end of the year, we’re going to be able to give it to a lot of people very, very rapidly.”

#13901 3 years ago

We are doomed.

Kansas is starting to open up---slowly. But it is too slow for our state congress who are calling the Gov. a dictator. All the wrong signals are being sent.

I had to go to my local hardware store this afternoon. It is not very crowded and it usually is never crowded. There were probably 20 people in the store. No one was wearing a mask, except for me. The only precaution was a squirt bottle of hand sanitizer in a relatively obscure place on the counter.

We currently have 507 cases and 20 deaths in my county.

It was just another day in paradise. Like everybody is thinking "it won't happen to me."

#13949 3 years ago

McDonalds has released a 59 page booklet with instructions on how to reopen and what will be required of the franchisees.

how do you think this will work out?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/14/business/mcdonalds-reopening-instructions-coronavirus/index.html

1) Workers must clean and sanitize tables after each use and restrooms every 30 minutes. McDonald's (MCD) recommends using a tracking sheet to document the cleanings.

2) Restaurants don't have to turn on their touch-screen kiosks, but if they do, those screens and key pads have to be cleaned after every use.

3) They'll also have to close self-serve beverage bars.

4) Instead, employees must pour drinks out for customers, preferably using fountains usually designated for the drive-thru.

#13961 3 years ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

The same goes for all the similar New “regulations” we’ll be seeing at other places. It’s all nonsense, unfortunately.

You got, man.

I took me a long time when working corporate to figure out that meetings addressing difficult issues an employee might make have to make during work floor decision were designed primarily as a way for management to cover its ass and say, " We have addressed that with our employees. It is not our fault the employee did not follow instructions. "

#13986 3 years ago

I can tell things are starting to open back up. I'm starting to get Robocalls, again.

IMO, it has already been proved that these bastards can be shut down; I hope the authorities keep their foot on that gas and not sell out my cell phone.

#14116 3 years ago

Woodstock happened during the summer between my junior and senior years in high school. This the first time I have about any pandemic going on in that period of time.

During senior year, we were kids being kids. Pandemic? What's that?

#14120 3 years ago
Quoted from Asael:

Perhaps someday I should write a book about the whole history of guests, from the Jews to the Nazis and KZ inmates to the American G.Is, from the hippies to the students to the rockers to the Chinese and now to the corona time. Also it is nothing special, I think that could be very entertaining

I'd love to hear your WW II stories. I am old enough now to really appreciate the WW II info.

#14148 3 years ago

Yeah, sure. I read the other posted article. But how come no one was talking about it way back when? Why I am only hearing about it 50 years after the fact ?

As I have gotten older, I started getting interested in history. When this is all over, I am going to the city library, pull some film rolls and see what my local news paper was printing at that point in time.

#14180 3 years ago
Quoted from The_Gorilla:

I am sure it was reported during that time SOMEWHERE but it wasn't on every newscast, every day for 3 months.

My mom was a teller at a savings & loan. My dad sold vacuum cleaners in your home. I was working fast food. I think if the mess of a flu pandemic was going around, I think I would have heard of it.

Regardless, when I get the chance I am going to the library and check the archived periodicals.

By the same token, not many ever heard of the 1918 flu pandemic until this Covid-19 hit the streets. It puzzles me why this one was so silent in the history books. But we were dealing with a war at the time, followed by The Roaring 20s, followed by the Great Depression; I suppose people could lose focus on something that brought nothing but bad news.

#14181 3 years ago
Quoted from gweempose:

Some more protesters who refuse to social distance or wear masks ...

Maybe the Darwin Awards will kick in and end the problem.

#14217 3 years ago
Quoted from BigT:

I don’t know if you know this but the Spanish flu came from Kansas. If you have netflix and watch the covid episode they talk about it.

I have read about that. From several different sources that all have different thoughts about how it started.

I'll go with the CDC website. It almost sounds like reading today's news.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-commemoration/pandemic-timeline-1918.htm

Outbreaks of flu-like illness are first detected in the United States.

More than 100 soldiers at Camp Funston in Fort Riley, Kansas become ill with flu. Within a week the number of flu cases quintuples.

Sporadic flu activity spreads unevenly through the United States, Europe, and possibly Asia over the next six months.
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Philadelphia is hit hard with the pandemic flu viruses—more than 500 corpses await burial, some for more than a week. Cold-storage plants are used as temporary morgues, a manufacturer of trolley cars donates 200 packing crates for use as coffins.
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Chicago, along with many other cities across the United States, closes theaters, movie houses and night schools and prohibit public gatherings.

San Francisco’s Board of Health requires any person serving the public to wear masks and issues strong recommendation to all residents to wear masks in public.

New York City reports a 40 percent decline in shipyard productivity due to flu illnesses in the midst of World War I.

#14226 3 years ago
Quoted from Jaybird815:

I get your point, but good luck getting to the truth when dealing with China.

I am of the Viet Nam era. When you lose trust in your government it is hard to regain it. This, and the older I get, I don't trust any politician to not lie his ass off when when it is convenient for him to do so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident

" The original American report blamed North Vietnam for both incidents, but the Pentagon Papers, the memoirs of Robert McNamara, and NSA publications from 2005, proved that the US government lied to justify a war against Vietnam."

#14236 3 years ago
Quoted from jamesmc:

I happened to have an encounter with Tricky Dick and Bebe Rebozo at Shoreciffs Golf club when I was in high school where he played. Not friendly. He sucked at golf.

Who is the "he"?

Tricky Dick and Bebe Rebozzo"... he played.. he sucked at golf.

#14237 3 years ago
Quoted from WJxxxx:

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And this is a map of..... the red and the blue states?

and Texas is blue

#14268 3 years ago
Quoted from EJS:

Last night I got fed up with local broadcasting (I don't watch enough TV to justify cable) and switched over to Netflix for the same reason. Yes it's good to have support and reassurance and hearing about people doing good things but I don't need to hear it EVERY commercial break.
First time they showed inner cities banging on pots and pans and everyone standing on patios talking to each other I thought that was neat. But when it's in every news segment for 4 weeks in a row it gets easy to change the channel again.

What? I have had Netflix in my house since 2008. I have never seen a commercial. I am staring to run into a lot of commercials on You Tube, but not Netflix. Are you sure you are talking about Netflix and not something else?

#14331 3 years ago
Quoted from Oaken:

As of today, it looks like National Guard deployed for the federal covid response are getting the shaft. Subject to change of course, but their deployment will end at 89 days. 90 days deployed gets them a whole bunch of benefits. Also while deployed they get a bump in healthcare benefits. Over 1000 have tested positive so far.
I feel pretty strongly that we shouldn’t be yanking their chains like this.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/19/national-guard-coronavirus-267514

The word "cheapskate" comes to mind.

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#14348 3 years ago

Kansas is starting to open back up.

I used to play pool on Tuesday night at a local bar. 7 pool tables with two 4-man teams to each table. My team leader texted me yesterday saying we are starting back up next week. Another member texted back that he was ready to get back to it.

The place serves food and drinks. I have not seen much mask wearing around here. I can only imagine how it will be in a bar with everybody leaning on the pool table to make a shot.

Call me chicken but I think I am going to pass.

#14357 3 years ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

Kansas is starting to open back up.
I used to play pool on Tuesday night at a local bar. 7 pool tables with two 4-man teams to each table. My team leader texted me yesterday saying we are starting back up next week. Another member texted back that he was ready to get back to it.
The place serves food and drinks. I have not seen much mask wearing around here. I can only imagine how it will be in a bar with everybody leaning on the pool table to make a shot.
Call me chicken but I think I am going to pass.

And now I am glad I passed on returning.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/20/business/ford-chicago-positive-covid-19-test/index.html

#14367 3 years ago
Quoted from DaveH:

You are a chicken. Seriously, you have to look at this from my point of view. I need people out there to test the waters for me. There is absolutely no way I'm going out when things open back up. Not for at least a month so I can watch the trends to see what happens. If everyone felt like you did, I wouldn't be able to go out because there would not be any guinea pigs to prove it is safe. Think of the DaveH's!

You are correct. I am a chicken. I prefer that to being a guinea pig

#14371 3 years ago

Take some Exlax. Then you will be afraid to cough

#14378 3 years ago

The pressure to generate revenue and try to make a profit comes before all else.

Watch the video.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/20/business/united-no-job-cuts/index.html

#14387 3 years ago

There is a reason Tesla set up shop in California.

https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-stock-price-california-state-government-bailing-out-2017-7

California is Tesla’s largest market. Something big needs to be done to help the Bay Area company, which has lost money every single year of its ten years of existence. And taxpayers are going to be shanghaied into doing it.

#14390 3 years ago

Remember when Iran was the talk of the town?

And the U.S. had 365 total cases?

March 7, 2020

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Iran keeps getting pushed lower down the list.

5-21-2020

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#14426 3 years ago
Quoted from cdnpinbacon:

Don't forget the Canadians eh? I stand with my brothers too.

I wish some of you Maple Leafers would come down and bring me a box of fine Cuban cigars. Canada is trading partners with Cuba. We can't get them here

#14447 3 years ago
Quoted from screaminr:

Stern games are assembled in the USA with some American made parts .
There is a range of Indian made mobile phones .
Lowe TVs are made in Germany .
You can buy Australian made toys .
There are alternatives to Chinese products but you're right it's really hard to avoid the Chinese products , when they make most of the stuff we buy
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Are LEDs made in any other country besides China?

#14469 3 years ago
Quoted from nwpinball:

I'd argue that this may be more of a problem with the way Americans consume and discard goods today, rather than where they came from.

If you buy it from Walmart and it was made in China, it was made cheap. To last for maybe a year. Two if you are lucky. Those Lasko fans are a case in point.

But China can build quality product. If you pay them to build quality and make them build quality, China can do that. Witness your iPhone.

Walmart wants cheap. So we get cheap. And Walmart get to keep selling us a new unit every year.

Everyone wins except the environment.

#14506 3 years ago
Quoted from srmonte:

How many of the pro lockdown and quarantine crowd on here actually have jobs? I would guess a lot of you people are retired. If you are retired please stay home and quarantine as long as you want. Stop telling the rest of us that are still working our way through to follow your bullshit. I know your older if your retired so continue to be very very careful. I respect you all being safe. There are many of us who do not share your fortune.

You are correct. I am retired. And I have to admit when this virus started coming on that I did not consider those who are still working need the cash that a job provides.

Several times throughout the years I found myself without work and no unemployment. I had to start digging around for anything I could sell to bring some money in. So, I understand that pressure to get some money rolling in. And the government money did not exactly get distributed equally. In the meantime, the electric bill keeps coming.

I won't insult you with the usual BS people spew forth when someone else falls on hard times. But I understand.

At the same time, in less than 3 months we have gone from zero deaths to what will over 100,000 deaths in less than 3 more days.

There are no easy answers here. I'll leave it at that.

#14515 3 years ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

This stuff just seems so arbitrary and made up.
It’s probably not a great idea for 100 people to get together. And if 100 people are now considered “safe” to hang with, why not 200?
Where’s the science behind “100 people is fine?”
Just telling us what some people want to hear I guess.

Concert season is coming up. We need clearance for 10,000 people to get together or rock and roll might die

#14525 3 years ago
Quoted from srmonte:

Just to be clear, I am still working and have not been impacted by any of this. So I am not looking for any sympathy. But I know that millions of people's lives have been destroyed by this and I do have sympathy for them. We must protect the most vulnerable. But I can see the writing on the wall if people do not get back to work. And yes I know that getting people back to work has not even come close to happening. Why? Because of mindsets like what I am seeing here and it not going to end well. Business's cant survive under all of these new mandates. Not to mention all of the lawsuits coming to the 50 states. You retirees and the rich and famous can have all the money in the world and it wont matter. When everyone around you everywhere is in the gutter. I sure hope you guys are ready for what will come. A lot more people will die and it likely wont be from covid. And for those wondering my location I am an American.

There won’t be any lawsuits. Mitch McConnell said Congress is working on the issues of liability.

So, if you get called back to work and then catch this stuff you are going to be on your own.

I find it amazing how that bastion of capitalism, Wall Street, has its hand out for the govt. bailout money but when it comes to some sort of healthcare for everybody the mantra is “we can’t afford universal healthcare. You are on your own and here is our middle finger salute.”

#14563 3 years ago

Kansas is opening up. I thought I might try to get a haircut appt. set up. No haircut since February.

Looks like I will continue waiting .

"A hairstylist worked while symptomatic and exposed 91 people to coronavirus"

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/23/us/missouri-hairstylist-coronavirus-trnd/index.html

" A second hairstylist who worked while symptomatic potentially exposed 56 clients to Covid-19, officials say"

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/24/us/missouri-hairstylists-coronavirus-clients-trnd/index.html

#14581 3 years ago
Quoted from Lame33:

Saw this last night and while Hasan Minhaj clearly has a political bias (like Jon Oliver, Samantha Bee, et al.) the numbers and implications for homelessness are staggering. I remember trying to convince co-workers how serious this was going to be before Tom Hanks and the NBA suspension made it real for everyone, but my gloom and doom imagination at the time was trivial compared to global train wreck that's happened and continues to pile up. The light at the end of the tunnel is a train.

Very good video.

My sister-in-law experienced some of this stuff while looking for a place to rent in Arlington Tx and Ft. Worth TX a couple of years ago. Do you want to go in a look at a house to rent? You first have to fill out a form with your qualifications and pay $50.00. The $50.00 gives you access to all of that firm's properties. But if you want to look at another house own by another outfit, it is another form and another $50.00.

And then it hit me. In 2008, the big guns with deep pockets loaded up when housing got cheap and now the guys wield a big stick. Too big IMO.

Meanwhile, over on the "what pin did you drag home" thread, pinsiders are burning up the highway chasing their grail pins.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/what-machine-did-you-bring-home-today-post-your-pictures/page/319#post-5663131

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#14590 3 years ago
Quoted from Who-Dey:

No they aren't because this virus has been way overblown by the media and it's not that bad for most people. There are certain groups of people who need to protect themselves but most people can go on with life as they normally would.

Here you go. Go back and read page 1 of this closed thread from 90 days ago. Before TPF shut down. Back when many thought this virus not going to amount to anything and were being quite cavalier about it.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/will-coronavirus-stop-you-from-attending-tpf

And now that many think China is lying about its numbers, post #4 really stands out.
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3 months later and we are at 100.000 deaths in this country. The last 10,000 deaths took one week.

The govt. washed its hands of the matter and said to expect to see 140,000 deaths. And now the govt. can act like all is normal.

At the rate we are going that will be another month when we see 140,000 deaths. Maybe the virus has been overblown and we will never see 140K. But what is going to happen if we see 140K and it keeps going? What if it becomes 150K and keeps going?

How many have to die before people quit saying the media hyped it up beyond reality? How many have to die before everyone says, " Oh ,shit, this is serious?

It was not that long ago that kept hearing that "we have 13 cases in this country but it is under control."

We will have 100,000 case tomorrow but it is under control." Sort like Wall Street having an "orderly" decline.

#14678 3 years ago

Kansas is opening up and Trump said he wanted all churches to open "right now" as a sop to the religious community.

1) 20 miles south of me is the Kansas Star casino that is trumpeting on its signs that is now open. Going southbound I drive past the west side and the parking lot has a few cars in the parking lot. This makes the place look busy. Going northbound on the way home I pass by on the east side ( Going south is a 2 lane highway. North is the faster toll turnpike. The south, east, and north parking lots are empty. So there are a few adventuresome souls getting their gambling Jones satisfied.

2) This was Sunday morning at a church right down the street from me. This church as no parking lot and on Sunday mornings this entire intersection is packed on both sides of the street in all directions.

There are 4 cars only.

It remains to be seen if the church business will pick up as time passes.

I also drove around a little bit and went passed two other churches. There were a few cars in the parking lot. Both of these churches are sizable and have huge parking lots. So, maybe, just maybe, many of the faithful are deciding the best course of action is to ignore Trump and not tempt God.

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#14686 3 years ago

All of this bickering and bantering prove a few things.

No one has the answers.
No decision will be 100%.
When you start messing with a man's money and food, the situation unravels in short order.
Rational thought gets kicked to the curb.

#14738 3 years ago
Quoted from Who-Dey:

I need some dental work right now and a haircut and im kind of afraid to go.

The only way, I mean the only way I would be laying back in a dentist chair right now is if I was dealing with root canal. I have had 4 root canals. The pain they offer changes your risk parameters 180 degrees almost immediately.

I also need a haircut, but those two hair dressers that managed to expose almost 200 people the other day kiboshed that idea. I have an advantage over some of you younger people, though. I use to wear it long. I don't mind trying to look like Wille Nelson again--if it comes to that.

#14740 3 years ago
Quoted from DNO:

As Spock said “the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few”
Or something like that.
The whole of the population just can’t cater to that small % of people, it’s on those people to figure some safe ways.
It’s not perfect, or necessarily “right”.
But neither is everyone suffering for them.

At some point we reach this, " One death is a tragedy. One million deaths is a statistic."

Quote is attributed to a few. Joseph Stalin is reputed to have said this, but it is hard to source.

https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/21/death-statistic/

I was told Stalin said something like this after the battle at Stalingrad where almost 2 million soldiers and Soviet citizens died.

https://www.army-technology.com/features/featurethe-20th-centurys-10-deadliest-battles-the-worst-military-disasters-4181684/

I can't source it but recall reading somewhere that there were so many bodies that the Soviets just plowed them under.

Here is what is going on in Brazil. As Brazil's leader calls this virus "a little flu".

At some point you have to ask if mass cremation might be the better option, but would let the virus loose to float free?

#14741 3 years ago
Quoted from o-din:

but will gladly accept whatever does come until it runs out.

You sound you like you would do really good on Wall Street.

#14742 3 years ago
Quoted from swampfire:they’re now estimating 178k deaths by August 4,

I missed that. But I figured it would happen sometime in the future. They just keep feeding us in little bits. Move the goal post and go on with life. I wonder what would be happening if is this was 2021?

When we get to 140K then will they push it out to 200K ?

We are 218 away from 100K.

#14744 3 years ago

Edit: Written in error.

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#14745 3 years ago
Quoted from Who-Dey:

I cant prove that to you just like you cant prove to me that it isnt happening but I believe it to be true.

1) I believe.

2) I think.

3) I will postulate.

4) It is my opinion.

If I ask you the time and you don't have a watch, your answer is limited to any of the above.

If I ask you the time and you look down at your atomic automatically calibrating watch, you can me with confidence what the time is down to the second. You can tell me you know with no shadow of doubt you KNOW what time it is.

Church goers will use #1 a lot. College professors will lean on #3 if you hit them with a hard question and they are trying to act college professor cool. Car salesmen will use #1, #2, and #4; # 3 is not in their vocabulary.

What you believe does not count for much. Too wishy washy.

On the right hand side of the paper, standing alone and by itself is.............................................................5) I know.

If you cannot manage #5 and offer substantiating evidence, it is all BS.

I imagine my church goer comment will bring on the down votes---- but think about it a little bit.

#14761 3 years ago
Quoted from Who-Dey:

Its happening trust me Cotton and only a fool would think otherwise. Anyway these hospitals can get more money they are going to do it, especially when the government has crushed their business. When have you ever known a hospital not to be a rip off?

Who-Dey, here is what I know about hospitals.

I know hospitals are expensive.

I know the pricing is opaque.

I consider health insurance to be a racket. But I cannot prove that.

I know I do not want to be without insurance.

I know that Medicare does not pay a hospital very much.

I am retired and know that if I am a fool and do not buy Part C supplement for my Medicare every month that some day I could be one sorry SOB.

While I personally know of some nightmare doctors ( not all of them were A students ) I know next to nothing about how to evaluate a hospital.

If I take my car to the mechanic and he quotes me $700.00 for a fuel pump plus labor I know he is trying to stick it to me because we both buy our parts at AutoZone and that fuel pump sells for $188.00 retail.

And I know that health care insurance the United States sucks wind.

I am also old enough to remember when you could go see your doctor and pay for the service out of pocket.

But I have no way of knowing is a hospital is ripping me. I just know the price is expensive.

#14762 3 years ago

Sounds like United Airlines got spanked.

" Airlines improve coronavirus safety protocols to lure back anxious passengers"

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/in-effort-to-restore-confidence-united-airlines-unveils-coronavirus-safety-guide-after-backlash-for-flying-a-packed-flight-2020-05-20?mod=home-page

" United announced a series of changes this week to help restore the public’s confidence in air travel, outlining how it will operate at airports and on board planes, including a partnership with Clorox Co. CLX, -0.40% for enhanced cleaning and another with medical experts from the Cleveland Clinic, as it works to keep passengers safe during the coronavirus pandemic.

" This is a notable turnaround in policy for the airline, given criticism leveled at United in recent weeks. Earlier this month, Ethan Weiss, a University of California, San Francisco, cardiologist, shared a photo on Twitter TWTR, +0.86% showing nearly every seat full on the plane out of Newark Airport in New Jersey. He said customers were “shocked” and “scared.”

" At the time, United said it could no longer guarantee all customers would be booked next to an empty seat.
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Here is what happened 2 weeks ago.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-frighteningly-packed-flight-out-of-newark-has-doctor-saying-he-wont-fly-again-anytime-soon-2020-05-10?mod=article_inline

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And United, you broke my Taylor Guitar.

Amazing how a little bit light shining made United think it had better change its ways. Then. And now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Breaks_Guitars

#14813 3 years ago
Quoted from o-din:

After I looked it over this morning and took it down the street and back, I extremely lowballed the dude so I wouldn't be buying it. He took my money anyway. Turns out to be an extremely mechanically solid rig that took me less than 20 minutes to dial in when I got home. Then we drove it to get more beer and pizza.
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That does not look like the same rig.

There were many years in my life that I would have said, "Hey, take me for a spin." But that was before Paul Walker. Now, I am happy to just take a peek and appreciate the eye candy.

#14829 3 years ago

I had to be out yesterday. From what I am seeing around here people are not going wear a mask unless someone is pointing a gun to their head. Walmart and Kroger employees have their masks on but most customers don't. There is a disconnect.

#14836 3 years ago
Quoted from Who-Dey:

The stores are allowed to require customers to wear masks. They are leaving it up to the customers and they choose not to wear them. Be mad at store management, not the customers.

After a security guard gets shot and killed, and another store employee winds up with a broken arm, I can understand where a store may not want to put employees in the line of fire anymore than it has to.

As far as the customers not wearing masks we are getting into the "monkey see monkey do" behavioral attitude of " if The Prez is not going to wear mask then neither am I ". Either wearing mask work or they don't. If they do work, the administration is setting a bad example.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/26/politics/donald-trump-mask-joe-biden/index.html

I am going to give this the ultimate test here an hour or so. I live one mile from Dole V.A. Regional medical center. That place has been locked down tight since this virus thing started. All gates, save one have been blocked. I need to get some blood drawn for an appointment next week. I'll see how far I get without a mask.

EDIT: I forgot to add that along with The VA closing all of the gates but one, there are also two checkpoints you pass through before you get to go park and go inside.

#14839 3 years ago
Quoted from PantherCityPins:

Do you wear a seatbelt? Seatbelt laws are in place to protect you in the case of an accident. It keeps you safer.
Do you follow traffic laws? Those are in place to keep you and those around you safer.

Not disagreeing with you here. Not at all. I'm just going to point out that everybody talks about their right to drive. But driving a vehicle is not a right. It is privilege that is earned by getting a driver's license and maintaining liability insurance (which is a legal requirement).

Owning a gun in this country is a 2nd amendment right. Driving a car never made the list.

#14853 3 years ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

I am going to give this the ultimate test here an hour or so. I live one mile from Dole V.A. Regional medical center. That place has been locked down tight since this virus thing started. All gates, save one have been blocked. I need to get some blood drawn for an appointment next week. I'll see how far I get without a mask.
EDIT: I forgot to add that along with The VA closing all of the gates but one, there are also two checkpoints you pass through before you get to go park and go inside.

I just got back from my trip to the V.A. The parking lot is still shut down to one entrance only. There is only one way inside. All other entry doors are closed. You are greeted at the door with a 3-4 people all wearing masks. I had my mask on but if I did not I would have been given one; There was a large plastic bad full of masks. This is government. There is security. Only a fool would ask if he had to wear a mask, or refuse to wear one.

#14885 3 years ago

Kansas is opening up. The county I live is going all the way. Very few restrictions.

The doc's advise was kicked to the curb.

Because of possible paywall, I took screenshots of the first few paragraphs.

https://www.kansas.com/news/coronavirus/article243026511.html

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#14898 3 years ago
Quoted from taylor34:

Yep, we're in the same boat here. Went from staged approach to everything open in one day, no limits on anything. I hope all those people that forced the immediate reopening know what they're doing.

My girlfriend says the virus is culling the herd. Maybe the Darwin Awards will kick in.

#14947 3 years ago
Quoted from srmonte:

No, New York is the national embarrassment. Especially Cuomo and De Blasio. Oh and AOC how could I forget her she is amazing

Yes sir, Mr. President.

#14998 3 years ago
Quoted from hAbO:

Glad to make you laugh. I think if you laugh a few times a day you'll live longer. Cheers!

Screw the WHO. It makes me crazy also. They tour one year, retire, then tour again. Pick a side Daltrey!

Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Gotta go with The Who on this one. Won’t get fooled again!

Quoted from Jaybird815:

I’m not so sure, we are talking about my generation

What don't you all just fade away, don't try to dig what we all say.

#15004 3 years ago
Quoted from Oaken:

Every farmhand at a Tennessee Farm has tested positive.
Two thoughts
1)
2). I’m surprised and impressed they tested everyone.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-29/every-single-worker-has-covid-at-one-u-s-farm-on-eve-of-harvest?srnd=premium&sref=taxRtTxi

Can you imagine having to dress for work like this? Out in the summer sun? I think heat stroke would be a problem.

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#15025 3 years ago
Quoted from MrBally:

If/when the Illinois Tollway System reopens their cash lanes, Toll Scofflaws will probably try using them as substitutes for quarters.
Google Steve Dahl for details.

Ha Ha Ha

#15026 3 years ago
Quoted from Who-Dey:

Agreed, the world is better off without those nasty ass things.

Who-Dey,

Did you even read the article ?

#15035 3 years ago

I realize this forum is not the stock page report. But this is why you cannot get your hopes up for vaccine when some outfit starts talking in glowing terms about how its research for a vaccine is bearing fruit. Some people in this outfit made millions last week. You all can decide if these guys were taking advantage of a situation, or not.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/business/moderna-vaccine-stock-sales-invs/index.html

" Everybody's doing that except Moderna," he said.

Dr. Paul Offit, director of the Vaccine Education Center at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, said the sample size in Moderna's release -- eight -- is far too small to draw any meaningful conclusions.


"You are about to give a vaccine to tens of millions of people," he said. "I really wouldn't issue a press release about a number of people who you could invite to a small outdoor barbecue."
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Pitt, the former SEC commissioner, said the episode underscores a shortfall of modern financial markets.
"It's part of the problem with our securities markets that, particularly given their volatility, it is possible for people to make enormous profits and gains based on relatively nothing of lasting substance," Pitt said.

#15102 3 years ago

I had to go out today. Around here it looks like Covid-19 has become a footnote in history. About 20% are wearing masks.

#15138 3 years ago

And we have a winner

The "wadded up in their pocket" is leading the race.

Amazing.

We are averaging 1000 deaths per day and have exceeded 110,000 deaths. And it is yesterday's news.

#15210 3 years ago

When it comes down to your life, or money, since no one works for free, in the end money will always win.

Got 6 months worth of food stashed away? When your food stash is depleted, you have to go out into the cold cruel world. Or stay home and die by starvation.

#15212 3 years ago

I have not put any of this stuff up for awhile because people are getting tired of it. The charts have been changed.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

This is new daily cases and daily deaths world wide. New cases keep trending up while the daily deaths look like the hospitals are getting somewhat better in controlling the deaths.

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Here is the U.S. New cases, instead of trending down, are instead trending sideways.

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After a few weeks it can be seen that daily deaths have peaked. Nobody knows what this will look like 2 weeks from now. If this chart keeps trending down maybe we will be OK. If it turns back up...

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#15217 3 years ago
Quoted from SantaEatsCheese:

Veteran here. One thing I noticed while I was in was that there were a lot of people getting sick the week after mandatory annual CBRN training... gas mask familiarization training. The stuff irritates your eyes and throat. Some of the areas with biggest spreads have been in things like choirs and meat packing plants with lots of people with irritated throats in close proximity. I think these riots are going to result with a lot of really sick people that get huge doses of COVID all at once with irritated throats from yelling and tear gas. Give it another week or 2 and see what happens. I live 5 minutes from Prince George County Maryland. It is the richest predominantly African American County in the country and borders D.C. People are heading from there into D.C. to protest. I see protestors on my way to and from work. See if there is a huge spike there in the next 2 weeks. That is your test case. As of today the infection rate there is 1.8%.
https://infection2020.com/#

There was a protest march here last weekend. If it not had been for the COVID-19 I would have gone and marched, but I am not interested in being a possible statistic.

#15262 3 years ago
Quoted from PanzerFreak:

One of the worst things, besides the loss of life of course, that is coming out of this is the affect on some people's jobs / careers. My neighbor is a tool and die maker and was furloughed for two months. Well, he got called back to work only to be told he's laid off along with 20% of the company. A cousin of mine in a different industry also saw 20% of his company laid off. While many companies are bringing back workers many are not bringing back all of them.

The news keeps trumpeting how the jobs are coming back.

Other than construction jobs and dentists, the rest of the jobs are the mediocre retail jobs with shitty hours and no benefits.
Some factory jobs are coming back. Some factory jobs can pay OK, but a lot of factory jobs are pure shit.

Restaurants are opening up but I don't see much traffic for sit down eating.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/06/economy/jobs-restaurants-construction-dentists/index.html

There is a mile long section on south Broadway in my town. It is where all of the used car lots are located. We are not talking high end late model used cars. We are talking 100,000 mile plus vehicles. There is probably 30 different cars lots in the area. At most, I might see 1 or 2 lots empty as the dealers retired and sold out, or went broke.

Currently I count 8 empty car lots.

#15286 3 years ago
Quoted from Who-Dey:

Cotton you always post your news from the same news source and it's a really horrible place to get your news. The economy is very strong right now and its coming back with a vengeance.

Who-Dey, this is where you are supposed to come in and give me some links to show the economy is coming back with a vengeance. Yes, my source is CNN. But my other source is driving around and seeing what I see.

And what I am not seeing is full restaurants.

What I am not seeing is Spirit Aerospace, which is a major Boeing supplier, calling the 4,000-5,000 workers it laid off back to work.

Boeing's stock is going nuts so if one's idea that the economy is booming because the stock is going crazy, then by all means tell me the economy is booming. But I'm not seeing it.

What I am seeing is the market going nuts because we only have 13% unemployment. 13% ! I can't say I saw the day when 13% unemployment would be something to cheer about. But here we are. 13 % unemployment and the economy is roaring---and is in better shape than it ever has been.

What I see is an economy (and stock market ) that cannot function without interest rates setting on ZERO !

What is your news source saying?

#15289 3 years ago

A little more from CNN.

Here is the headline.

" More than half of states may be undercounting coronavirus cases by not following CDC guidelines."

You can believe it or not. But that is not why I linked it.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/09/health/us-coronavirus-tuesday/index.html

" How will students go back to school?"

Schools have been especially upended, with students across the country not having been on campus in months.
While many local governments have expressed that the path forward for the fall is unclear, North Carolina and California have released guidelines for reopening schools.
Though California's 1,000 school districts will make their own decision about how and when to resume in-classroom learning, the state's Department of Education released a 62-page guidebook Monday to help them plan ahead of time...

blah blah blah and yada yada yada.

And then we get to this part.

" Students and staff will be screened for illness before they enter the school. Children will be asked to stay distant from classmates. They won't be sharing pencils or textbooks, and there will be a lot of cleaning," he said."
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That all sounds well and good. Until you start wondering how the authorities are going to to handle the school busses. I drove a school bus for a year.

A standard school bus has 24 seats. That's 12 seats per side with a full bus packing in 3 kids per seat, or 72 passengers. One of my routes was about 15 junior high school kids; This would be an easy route to handle for social distancing. The other route was kindergarten thru 6th grade with about 50 kids on board.

Those school bus seats are about 4 feet wide, so that puts it at one kid per seat. That knocks you down to 24 kids per bus. But want, threes more.

But the seats are only about 2.5 feet in pitch, so that means every other seat will are off limits. So now you are down to 6 kids per side or 12 kids overall in order to maintain 6 foot social distancing. To maintain that kind of distancing, my bus with 50 kids on would have to grow into four busses to keep the distance. When the busses pulled into the grade school parking lot for afternoon pickup, there were at least 10 packed school busses leaving to take all of the little Jack's and Jill's home. Can you imagine 40 school busses?

The only thing I can say is that I would not be driving a bus full of snotty nosed, sniffling, and coughing kids. I was lucky I never caught the flu that year. No way would I take that chance with Covid. It would take a lot more money than what bus drivers get paid for me to take that chance.

I have not yet read anything on how kids riding school busses to school will be managed. And I would not want to be on the planning board that has to figure this one out.

#15333 3 years ago

I should have turned and walked away---but I did not. I'm kicking myself.

My state has opened up. I went to a cafe for a particular dish of food.

The sign on the door essentially said (I'm paraphrasing) " The county says you cannot come into this establishment if you have Covid-19."

This was the first busy restaurant I have seen. It is blue collar clientele all the way. Old timers. I was able to keep a 6 foot diatance, but the shop was not doing anything special. All booths were in use. Seemed like old times.

It was stupid to go on in. I won't make that dumb mistake again. But it can be so easy to let your guard down.

#15339 3 years ago
Quoted from gweempose:

Were you wearing a mask, and if so, did you feel like other people in the restaurant were judging you for it? I'm guessing there are a lot of people in this country that might personally feel more comfortable wearing a mask in public right now, but they probably don't because of societal pressure where they live.

No one was wearing a mask. They were all shoveling food. Since a mask is not supposed to protect me and it is supposed to protect the other guy, I did not bother to put mine on. And besides, how are you going to eat with a mask on?

After I had my lunch, I went to the public city library. I walked in with my mask in my hand and someone walked up and said I need a mask on. I put it on. But the area in the library that I wanted to visit is currently closed because of the virus.

So, the county and city buildings require you to wear a mask to enter, but the same county and city authorities have opened up all commercial to Wild West conditions.

#15347 3 years ago
Quoted from phil-lee:

Or if proof comes out it was intentionally released?

How could you trust "the proof"?

Which news source would anybody/everybody believe?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish%E2%80%93American_War

" The Spanish–American War (Spanish: Guerra hispano-estadounidense; Filipino: Digmaang Espanyol-Amerikano) was an armed conflict between Spain and the United States in 1898. Hostilities began..."

" The ten-week war was fought in both the Caribbean and the Pacific. As U.S. agitators for war well knew,[21] U.S. naval power would prove decisive,..."

" After Maine was destroyed, New York City newspaper publishers Hearst and Pulitzer decided that the Spanish were to blame, and they publicized this theory as fact in their papers.[62] They both used sensationalistic and astonishing accounts of "atrocities" committed by the Spanish in Cuba by using headlines in their newspapers, such as "Spanish Murderers" and "Remember The Maine". Their press exaggerated what was happening and how the Spanish were treating the Cuban prisoners.[63] The stories were based on factual accounts, but most of the time, the articles that were published were embellished and written with incendiary language causing emotional and often heated responses among readers. A common myth falsely states that when illustrator Frederic Remington said there was no war brewing in Cuba, Hearst responded: "You furnish the pictures and I'll furnish the war."[64]"

All we need is another call to go get the "weapons of mass destruction".
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https://www.pbs.org/crucible/tl10.html#:~:text=At%209%3A40pm%20on%20February,and%20shocking%20the%20American%20populace.&text=On%20March%2028%2C%201898%2C%20the,destroyed%20by%20a%20submerged%20mine.

February 16 1898: Battleship U.S.S. Maine Explodes

Maine Explosion - WreckageAt 9:40pm on February 15, 1898, the battleship U.S.S. Maine exploded in Havana Harbor, killing 268 men and shocking the American populace. Of the two-thirds of the crew who perished, only 200 bodies were recovered and 76 identified.

The sinking of the Maine, which had been in Havana since February 15, 1898, on an official observation visit, was a climax in pre-war tension between the United States and Spain. In the American press, headlines proclaimed "Spanish Treachery!" and "Destruction of the War Ship Maine Was the Work of an Enemy!" William Randolph Hearst and his New York Journal offered a $50,000 award for the "detection of the Perpetrator of the Maine Outrage." Many Americans assumed the Spanish were responsible for the Maine's destruction.

On March 28, 1898, the United States Naval Court of Inquiry found that the Maine was destroyed by a submerged mine. Although blame was never formally placed on the Spanish, implication was clear. Recent research suggests that the explosion may have been an accident, involving a spontaneous combustion fire in the coal bunker. Some conspiracy theorists have even suggested that sensational journalist William Randolph Hearst may have set the explosion in order to precipitate a war. While historians will never know exactly what happened the night the Maine went down, it is clear that the incident was a significant force that propelled the United States into the Spanish-American War.

#15419 3 years ago

This is good article. Too bad it is CNN. The Foxies will call it fake news

#15431 3 years ago
Quoted from Utesichiban:

Actually, they now believe the Spsnish Flu also started in China and was first brought to America and/or Europe by Chinese immigrant workers at that time.

Quoted from razorsedge:

Is that some more of the kind of "evidence" that some have used before to "support the case for action (war)"?

I questioned that myself. As in all things, it depends on what you read.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC340389/

" It has never been clear, however, where this pandemic began...

" That review suggests that the most likely site of origin was Haskell County, Kansas, an isolated and sparsely populated county in the southwest corner of the state, in January 1918.

" But before presenting the evidence for Haskell County it is useful to review other hypotheses of the site of origin. Some medical historians and epidemiologists have theorized that the 1918 pandemic began in Asia, citing a lethal outbreak of pulmonary disease in China as the forerunner of the pandemic. Others have speculated the virus was spread by Chinese or Vietnamese laborers either crossing the United States or working in France.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/1/140123-spanish-flu-1918-china-origins-pandemic-science-health/

Nat'l Geographic suggests China. But the article is sort of blocked until you offer them your email address so NG can email you things. I have enough things hitting my email already.

#15446 3 years ago
Quoted from cdnpinbacon:

For the record, as of today 10% or less peoples wearing a mask in my town. I figure if it is a biological weapon then human stupidity must have been factored in.

One of my retirement hobbies is attending the local Friday night auction. It is nothing fancy. There is a bleacher type platform with perhaps 100 folding chairs. Sort of like a movie theater.

The auction sent me a snail mail saying there will be an auction tonight. And that due to the Covid-19 the seating arrangements have been changed for social distancing. I went up today to see what is selling tonight. I won't be going back for awhile.

For each row of chairs, it looks like the auction removed 2 chairs per row and spread the chairs out. Now, instead of you and me literally rubbing shoulders, there will be about 12 inches/one foot between us. The number of rows from bottom to top are unchanged.

So much for social distancing when the state/county left it up to each business to determine what distance is adequate.

#15488 3 years ago
Quoted from hAbO:

I dont know who did this but its kinda trippy.
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That looks cool.

I wish I had those kind of Photoshop skills.

#15506 3 years ago
Quoted from gambit3113:

Our number are going up and we don’t have a total number of tests being performed because we have so many private labs that don’t keep numbers. But the rate of positive tests have increased from 4.9% to now over 7.5%. Our total cases discovered numbers have set record high numbers four days in a row and 5 days total last week, and our hospitalization and ICU numbers are increasing steadily. We are in the immediate danger Houston is in right now, but we are drinking straight toward that ditch. And Governor Abbott won’t do a damned thing about it, and will fight Houston when they try to usurp his “Open it up big and wide” order.

Oh. no worries, man.

The good doctor says a 2nd wave is not inevitable.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/13/health/us-coronavirus-saturday/index.html

" Fauci says second wave is 'not inevitable' as coronavirus cases climb in some states"

" Fauci also said there may not be a so-called second wave of Covid-19 cases as some health experts are predicting.

"It is not inevitable that you will have a so-called 'second wave' in the fall or even a massive increase if you approach it in the proper way," he said.

" He advised Americans to follow social distancing recommendations and to continue wearing masks in public, among other CDC guidelines.

Trust your leadership and send me a PM about that lake front property I would like to sell to you
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You governor will do nothing because he is in good company.

Mnuchin said the country will not be closed down again. The economic pain of shutting is greater than the risk of the virus wiping us out---at this point in time, anyway.

#15515 3 years ago
Quoted from Daditude:

I believe that the 20s, 50s, and 80s we're the best decades in the last 100+ years of our country.

Why, may I ask? You were not around for the 20s, possibly not here for the 50s. Why do those two decades jazz you?

#15518 3 years ago

China is having some challenges with Covid-19

They all look to be wearing masks.

#15533 3 years ago
Quoted from Oaken:

A few months ago I saw a similar visualization of cause of death over time in USA. Below is a global one from January thru May. As horrible as the events behind the data are, I find these little presentations visually pleasing.
https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/2637725/

That is interesting to see/watch.

#15540 3 years ago

More from the fake news site.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/15/media/coronavirus-pandemic-reliable-sources/index.html

"Three months of the pandemic: 'We can't get acclimated to losing 800 to 1,000 Americans every single day"

" Part of the danger is that "we get used to a certain baseline level of sickness and death, and it only makes news when things start to get better or worse," Dr. James Hamblin told me. "We can't get acclimated to losing 800 to 1,000 Americans every single day, which is what's happening right now."

#15546 3 years ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

So who among us would sign up to join 20,000 other people to scream and spit in a packed arena?
I’m trying to think of what would be important enough to make me risk that this coming weekend. Maybe a Pink Floyd reunion?
Band would probably never do it though. No band wants to kill their own fans, and they’d get way too much blowback in the press.
Premature efforts to fill arenas falls in line with phase 4:
https://local.theonion.com/city-enters-phase-4-of-pretending-coronavirus-over-1844037065?utm_campaign=The+Onion&utm_content=1592238609&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR25GWkXVDRFBPeEBz1yltmfKZu19FToEFowH0pQ5CgLvdbQNVsz5C9e8Ss

I already saw Pink Floyd. Great show.

It would take Led Zeppelin to get me on board and take the risk.

#15547 3 years ago
Quoted from razorsedge:

There seems to be differing stories everywhere

I cannot imagine.

#15578 3 years ago

Yesterday was a trip to Home Depot. I saw very few wearing a mask. A young man who was cutting my two boards to size said they were supposed be wearing masks but this HD store ran out of masks.

Today, I went over to the other side of town to a restaurant that has one of my favorite meals. I have not been here since late last year.

This restaurant was founded in 1958. It was always busy. It did not make the shutdown hump. This shop served some good food.

Closed with a for sale sign at the curb.

#15579 3 years ago
Quoted from JimWilks:

Things are getting ugly in Brazil. 37,278 new cases today.

Has Brazil's idiot of a president finally come to grips that this virus is some serious business?

#15602 3 years ago

My Coronavirus observation:

1) You Tube finally turned on its ad machine full time to make grab for its new always-at-home audience.

2) There are are a lot of paywalls.

#15609 3 years ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

You know what else is sad?
3,000 dead people in Florida. Covid is really doing a number on the sunshine state lately. And many others.
They reopened too early and too sloppy. Oklahoma is another one. So many states had a huge early advantage over places like New York, and they completely squandered it due to putting politics over human life.

Put some meat on that bone, o-din.

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#15626 3 years ago

The sheriff appears to posses the skills to shift the blame away from hisself.

#15628 3 years ago
Quoted from EternitytoM83:

Would there happen to be any glasses wearers in here who can recommend a face mask that doesn't completely suck? All I'm looking for is a mask that 1. is black (or at least isn't white), 2. doesn't constantly fog up my glasses, and 3. doesn't yank my ears off (since I sort of need them to hold my glasses on). Apparently that's akin to finding the Holy Grail.

https://www.walmart.com/browse/health/surgical-face-masks/976760_2571007_4919160

Sorry. They are not black. But they have the small metal strip that you can bend and form to fit your nose which will keep from fogging your glasses. You can put them on and take them off without have to remove your glasses. I wear glasses; I speak from experience.

I don't care what color they are or are not. I am not trying to make fashion statement.

#15629 3 years ago

Your tax dollars at work.

" US stockpile stuck with 63 million doses of hydroxychloroquine."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/17/health/hydroxychloroquine-national-stockpile/index.html

"..many infectious disease experts, including those who've studied the drug for coronavirus, say there was never any evidence that the drug worked for the virus."

#15666 3 years ago
Quoted from Daditude:

A lot of people have been wearing masks, but I guess I am mostly disturbed that everything has opened up VERY quickly causing a spike in cases, hospitalizations, and deaths....and their only response is to say they will fine businesses that don't mandate masks (pretty much every business already does mandate it, by the way)
It feels like a too little, too late scenario that changes nothing, and is trying to get the spotlight on someone else.

I am wondering what things will look like in a couple of weeks after the rally in Tulsa where 20,000 are expected to gather tomorrow.

#15713 3 years ago
Quoted from Who-Dey:

The Coronavirus is weakening says an Italian Doctor. This is great news that I'm sure that we can all be happy about right?
https://www.foxnews.com/world/italian-doctor-says-coronavirus-weakening-may-disappear-on-its-own-report

The article says, “ he believes” and “it appears”. The link you offer says “may disappear on its own”.

You misquoted it. It does sound like something positive but it nothing to lighting a cigar about.

#15753 3 years ago
Quoted from mcluvin:

Florida Man forces his way into Walmart without a mask

Quoted from hAbO:

Retailers are having to be bouncers now

It is rather sad. People with a holier than thou attitude. This old fart needs an attitude adjustment.

#15785 3 years ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Yeah America remains old and obese.
Plenty of people left for the virus to kill. Millions in fact.
Seems we are dead set on finding out.

I assume we all have read in the past that humans are working on overpopulating the earth. We are at 7.7 billion now, projected to go to 11 billion people by 2100.

Since no one is interested in saving the planet by volunteering to commit suicide maybe this virus will wind up shaving off a couple of billion people.

https://ourworldindata.org/future-population-growth

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#15814 3 years ago
Quoted from Who-Dey:

Wait a minute.......are you saying that you left Florida and moved to Illinois? Why in the Sam hell would anyone do that? Lol

You sound like you have never been to south Florida. .

#15825 3 years ago

" Disney World workers petition to delay reopening as Florida coronavirus cases surge"

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/24/media/disney-world-petition-trnd/index.html

" Bob Chapek, Disney's CEO, explained to CNN Business last month why he believes it's safe to return to the park.

"I think what we can say is that we've done everything we can to open up responsibly," Chapek said. "Taking the guidance of local health officials, state health officials, national health officials, plus our own well qualified doctors on staff to create an environment to create new operating procedures, to create new policies, to do new training, new standards of hygiene."

If I worked for Disney, I would not care what the boss believes. I would not care what he thinks. And I know how company doctors operate.

I feel for those employees who will be saddled with wearing a mask all day long in the Florida heat and humidity.

#15826 3 years ago

Texas governor realizes he has been pissing in the wind and is getting schooled in the ways of the virus.

" Texas hits 5,000 new coronavirus cases for first time, governor urges people to stay home"

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/texas-hits-5000-new-coronavirus-cases-for-first-time-governor-urges-people-to-stay-home-2020-06-23?mod=home-page

" Rapidly worsening coronavirus numbers in Texas reached bleak new milestones Tuesday as the state surpassed 5,000 new cases in a single day for the first time and hospitalizations again hit record numbers, leading the largest pediatric hospital in the U.S. to begin treating adult patients in Houston."

#15827 3 years ago

"New York, New Jersey and Connecticut issued a travel advisory Wednesday that requires people arriving from states with high coronavirus rates to quarantine for 14 days."

" Cuomo said each of the three states will be responsible for its own enforcement. As of Wednesday, the advisory applies to Alabama, Arkansas, Arizona, Florida, North Carolina, South Carolina, Washington, Utah and Texas.

Fines for not quarantining are $2,000 for the first violation, $5,000 for the second violation, and $10,000 if you cause harm, Cuomo said.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/24/us/new-york-coronavirus-travel-restriction/index.html

#15844 3 years ago
Quoted from Mr68:

Nah, I love Florida. It makes it appear on a map as if the US is peeing on Cuba.

I'd like to visit Cuba. I was told for years Cuba cannot be visited because it is a Communist country. However, I can fly and visit China with no hassles. And China is way more Communist than Cuba ever thought about being.

I would, for once in my life, I would like try a Cuban cigar. But to do that I would have to go to Canada because Canada just happens to be trading partners with Cuba.

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#15849 3 years ago

O-din, Disney must have been listening to you.

" Disney is postponing the reopening of Disneyland"

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/24/media/disneyland-reopening-postponed/index.html

#15896 3 years ago
Quoted from too-many-pins:

Here is my question:
For years places of business have required shirts & shoes in order for you to shop or eat and everyone is basically OK with that. Over the past 10 years (give or take) smoking in public has been banned in more and more places and people are OK with that. If you want to drink alcohol or beer in public places in most areas you need to conceal what you are drinking and people are OK with that. Yet when the Department of Health asks you to wear a mask to help stop the spread of a deadly virus somehow they are taking away your rights?
Are people really getting this stupid?

These are the same idiots who will come out saying that driving a car is a right. Wrong. It is an earned privilege.

#15966 3 years ago

Air pollution. Covid 19.

Water pollution. Covid 19

Global warming. Covid 19.

Dying coral reefs. Covid 19.

Plastic trash clogging the ocean. Covid 19.

Mothers' against drunk drivers. Covid 19.

Gun control. Covid 19.

Pick your poison and you still wind up with Covid 19.

Covid 19. Covid 19. Covid 19. Covid 19.
Covid 19. Covid 19. Covid 19. Covid 19.
Covid 19. Covid 19. Covid 19. Covid 19.

#16007 3 years ago
Quoted from poppapin:

Deaths are never mentioned! Just cases, cases, cases!!

Give it a little time. Deaths will catch up.

Around the world view. Deaths are not climbing as fast as new cases. But that means we ain't going down, either.

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In the U.S. we thought we were peaking. Don't look that way now, does it?

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Deaths are not at zero. Let's say we maintain 500 deaths per day. One month @500 per day x 30 = 15,000 monthly death rate. Is that something to cheer about?

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#16022 3 years ago

Social Distancing: The airline industry's version of social distancing.
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" Middle seats and packed planes are coming back as airlines prepare to ease restrictions."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/29/economy/middle-seats-airlines-covid-19/index.html

" American Airlines (AAL), the world's largest carrier disclosed Friday that "customers may notice that flights are booked to capacity starting July 1." This change comes even as the number of Covid-19 cases rises in many states."

"United (UAL) has been willing to sell every possible seat throughout the pandemic. Both said they would notify passengers when a flight has more than 70% of its seats booked, and allow them to change to a less crowded flight. But that won't necessarily allow passengers with limited flexibility to avoid crowded flights."

#16023 3 years ago

You just have to love healthcare in the U.S.

" Gilead’s coronavirus drug will cost $2,340 — which sounds expensive, but here’s why it’s not."

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/gileads-covid-19-drug-costs-2340-experts-say-thats-a-responsible-price-2020-06-29?mod=home-page

" The cost of remdesivir for a 5-day course of treatment is $2,340 in all developed countries..."
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" There is one exception, however; in the U.S., the cost for a patient who has commercial health insurance, including a plan through their employer
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and purchased on the health exchanges, is $3,120.
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" (The cost per vial for people covered by government health plans, including Medicare, Medicaid, and the Department of Veterans Affairs, is $390.)"

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I don't know whether to laugh or cry. As a Medicare/ VA recipient, I would/ will only be out my $184.00 annual deductible. If I were still on Obamacare the deductible for the plan that I was able to afford would have a $6700.00 deductible.

Cheers for those of us who have employer sponsored healthcare insurance, Medicare, or VA care. If you have been laid off and cannot afford insurance and you find you need this drug, you just might be SOL.

#16027 3 years ago
Quoted from henrydwh:

Well... Kansas has gone from phase 3 of reopening to mandatory masks state wide! But the bars are still open, not sure how that works with mandatory masks!

The same way the bars work with social distancing. They don't.

Wear a mask. Don't wear a mask. It is a party line split. Mitch McConnell is now talking up the wearing of masks. But no one is listening since the pinnacle of American politics chooses to not wear a mask.

And in Texas all the bar owners are bitching about being shut down. Again.

There is no fair way of shutting down. Every body wants to be an essential business. I get that and the need to cover the bills. If/as the virus progresses, things will get fugly.

#16038 3 years ago
Quoted from Luckydogg420:

My heart goes out to the billions of people that have to think about healthcare, here in Canada it’s just always been there for us. Everyone is covered, even if you’re homeless the hospital will try to heal you.

There are a lot of older people in the U.S. who would love to retire and the only thing stopping them is the lack of affordable healthcare insurance. If a lot of the old-timers could retire early it would open up a lot of jobs for the younger generations that need to find some work.

#16047 3 years ago

For people who like to win in everything they do. We are number one.

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/30/health/us-coronavirus-toll-in-numbers-june-trnd/index.html

" The US leads the world in cases and deaths "

" More Americans have died from coronavirus than in wars in Vietnam, Korea, Iraq and Afghanistan "

" More Americans also have died of coronavirus in less than five months than in all of World War I. That conflict took the lives of 116,516 American soldiers. "
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( I have to admit that this is the first time that I have heard WW I be called a conflict. )

#16058 3 years ago
Quoted from gambit3113:

601 cases and 20 deaths today in Dallas.
Save yourselves. Just let us go.

Dallas county shows 20 deaths today. Tarrant county shows 3 deaths. Since DFW is one big metroplex, what is Tarrant county doing that Dallas county is not? I might as well toss Harris county into the mix with 2 deaths but Houston is not next door to DFW.

What is going on with Dallas?

EDIT: Oh yeah, we are now at 130,074 deaths in the USA.

#16084 3 years ago
Quoted from BMore-Pinball:

you are in a flying tube for hours, can't imagine an extra seat apart really helps reduce the already large risk

The short answer to your proclamation is: We are hosed.

The other answer: If I cannot drive in my own vehicle, I ain't goin' .

#16184 3 years ago
Quoted from Who-Dey:

We are testing more than any other country, thats why cases keep going up. Deaths on the other hand are on the decline........thats a good thing for all you gloomer doomers.

Say what? Would you like to make a wager on that? Say 4-6 weeks out? Will we be at zero? Or will we be climbing back up?

Let's say we come in at 500 deaths per week. 500 * 30 = 15,000.

We are at 132,000 deaths today ( 7-3-2020 ). Add 15K. 132,000 = 15000 = 147,000 in 30 days.

And you are OK with these numbers?

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#16213 3 years ago
Quoted from poppapin:

Say what! You're daily new death chart shows deaths are declining. Looked like deaths peaked around April 20th

Let me ask you this: The dally new cases chart is going up. And the daily deaths charts looks like it peaked sometime back. Do you think this will last? Are new cases going to continue upward and daily deaths going to continue to come down? I don't think so, but I could be wrong. I think the death rate is going to curve back up. But it is a guess. Maybe we will dodge a big bullet and go to zero in a week or so; Seems like many think this way.

It all depends on who you want to believe, I guess. In March and April all we were hearing is that when summer gets here it will go away. Well, summer is here. And guess what is still with us. Our leader wishes for us to believe it has gone away. Are you drinking that Election Year Koolaid?

Our lowest daily death number so far has been 271. I used 500 earlier. Let's go with 271 since that looks like the low number to beat.

271 * 30 = 8130 deaths per month. Are you cool with that number?

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#16214 3 years ago
Quoted from too-many-pins:

Until hospitals start running out of room and people start going untreated. Some areas that day isn't far away.

The running out of room is already here.

The Texas run down.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/health/coronavirus-hospitalizations-rates-rise/index.html

" Parts of the hospital are quickly transitioning into coronavirus units, with airtight zones around sections where infected patients are stationed. And doctors like Varon, who's worked more than 100 consecutive days now, are turning into semi-specialists in the virus.


"These patients are very sick. These are patients that are about to die. So, we have to admit them and once they are here, despite of everything that we do, they have to stay in the hospital anywhere between 5 to 10 days at a minimum," Varon said. "So sooner or later, within the next two weeks, we're going to be at full house."

#16219 3 years ago
Quoted from o-din:

Reopening schools in many states come late August or September is about as likely as the Disney parks opening to full crowds.
I'd like to see them try it.
It's just another overly optimistic pipe dream IMO. Or they will try it and when it fails, it will just be more of what we are already getting used to.

I drove a school bus for year. There is no way I would climb aboard a bus with 50 coughing, sneezing grade schoolers. No way.

And don't give me that essential worker bullshit. The job goes away for summer time and bus drivers don't get paid enough to live without working somewhere during summer. Some states will let bus drivers draw unemployment for summer months. Cheapskate Kansas is not one of those states. I got lucky and was recalled to my main job when school was out.

And now, the leaders are starting to talk about getting the kids to school this year. School bussing is now being talked about. They know there is a problem. Social distancing would require doubling the number of busses needed to haul all the kids to and from school.

Several possibilities being talked are that the bus driver will have to take everybody's temperature before the kid climbs aboard. You have never seen how nasty and mean a woman can get when you say her kid cannot ride the bus. Or perhaps "encapsulate" the driver behind some plastic walls. You might as well put blinders on the bus drivers.

I am waiting to see what magic happens for the schools to open up.

#16260 3 years ago
Quoted from Luckydogg420:

Our schools closed for March break (2nd week of March) and have been shut down ever since. We’ve also had to deal with 6 weeks of child care for the summer being cancelled. Back in December we arranged our vacations with family friends to watch each other’s kids for a couple weeks, and we used camps for a couple weeks. By May all of the camps were cancelled, one week of my wife’s vacation was cancelled, and our friends both had a week cancelled. Some of these weeks were forced vacation when the lockdown started in March and April, then made up by forcing you to work when you planned to be off in the summer. We have no family around and there’s very little child care in the city, and with new restrictions it’s costly and impractical. I was scheduled to back to work in July. It was a real panic for us, we literally had no one to watch our child for the summer. “Luckily” I found out in June our company is closing down, so now I’ll be home watching kids this summer, both mine and our friends.
Schools might reopen in September currently there’s 3 options it think. 1) back to school as normal. 2)30 kids in class, class is divided into two groups Of 15, half work from home one day then from school the next, alternating back and forth. 3) same as #2 but the kids alternate every week instead of every day.
So now I don’t even know if I will be able to look for full time work in the fall or If I’ll have to work some part time gig, to work around the school schedule.

People around here are starting to figure out that schools are necessary for looking after the kids so people can go to work.

#16273 3 years ago
Quoted from phil-lee:

Before you use a disparaging term you should understand what it means..
The redneck was simply a poor, working white who spent a lot of time in the sun. Field work produced a sunburn.
Rednecks didn't own anyone, they were usually sharecroppers or indentured servants for the rich.
You can keep the Hollywood revision. Rednecks are poor, hard working people of which I am proud to belong.

I have heard the descriptor “redneck” used in conversation for many years. It was never used in a positive way.

I never knew the origin that you describe.

Meanings of some words change through the years. “ Redneck” seems to be one of those words.

#16364 3 years ago
Quoted from razorsedge:

As bad as each other, at opposite ends of the spectrum, from what I've seen.
Propoganda both ends. Divisive, like politics. They are doing what they are meant to... sadly.
Both frequently dabble in bulls#it.

It is all a ratings game. Video clickbait.

CNN is owned by WarnerMedia which is owned by A.T. & T.

Fox is owned Rupert Murdock who is from Australia. I think Rupert would be considered the tabloid king in some circles.

#16366 3 years ago

A testimonial. Fair disclosure: It is CNN.

It does not sound like anything I want to be labored with.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/07/health/richard-quest-covid-wellness-intl/index.html

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