What county are you in? The number of PA counties with fewer than 10 deaths (often 0 -2) is surprising. Personally I’d wear a mask, but your arrogance is unbelievable. Maybe they’re just more accurately appraising the situation. Maybe they’re wrong. Everyone is trying to do what they think is best. Even the people screwing up

The only completely erroneous total out there is China’s. I’d even take their recent numbers with a very large grain of salt

We ordered a 16 pc spicy chicken bucket from Popeyes and we got 16 chicken sandwiches, if anyone is interested shoot me a PM. I can ship tomorrow.

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Only rollercoasters I ride are fun ones when they are open.

Been watching though and find it hard to believe how much denial that street is in. Like one little tidbit of hopeful, but yet to be proven news can send the markets into a rebound. Entire industries have been wiped out and many others hanging by a thread and somehow the market continues to trudge along. At what point does the reality of the situation really start to sink in?

I never trust anyone that says “trust me”. Trust is something that you have to earn through time.

COCKER? I don't even know her.

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Pretty much every country outside of the US

On a day when America took pandemic to a whole new level, we mourn the loss of all the fighters. And Memorial Day 2020 will probably go down in infamy or at least as one of the most memorable.
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Who Dey , you can hide in the hockey thread if you want.

It has diamond plate along the rocker panels. That could be covering rust, use caution there Mr. o-din.

The chicks are wearing masks , someone just needs to tell them they're on backwards .

Who-Dey, here is what I know about hospitals.

I know hospitals are expensive.

I know the pricing is opaque.

I consider health insurance to be a racket. But I cannot prove that.

I know I do not want to be without insurance.

I know that Medicare does not pay a hospital very much.

I am retired and know that if I am a fool and do not buy Part C supplement for my Medicare every month that some day I could be one sorry SOB.

While I personally know of some nightmare doctors ( not all of them were A students ) I know next to nothing about how to evaluate a hospital.

If I take my car to the mechanic and he quotes me $700.00 for a fuel pump plus labor I know he is trying to stick it to me because we both buy our parts at AutoZone and that fuel pump sells for $188.00 retail.

And I know that health care insurance the United States sucks wind.

I am also old enough to remember when you could go see your doctor and pay for the service out of pocket.

But I have no way of knowing is a hospital is ripping me. I just know the price is expensive.

Sounds like United Airlines got spanked.

" Airlines improve coronavirus safety protocols to lure back anxious passengers"

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/in-effort-to-restore-confidence-united-airlines-unveils-coronavirus-safety-guide-after-backlash-for-flying-a-packed-flight-2020-05-20?mod=home-page

" United announced a series of changes this week to help restore the public’s confidence in air travel, outlining how it will operate at airports and on board planes, including a partnership with Clorox Co. CLX, -0.40% for enhanced cleaning and another with medical experts from the Cleveland Clinic, as it works to keep passengers safe during the coronavirus pandemic.

" This is a notable turnaround in policy for the airline, given criticism leveled at United in recent weeks. Earlier this month, Ethan Weiss, a University of California, San Francisco, cardiologist, shared a photo on Twitter TWTR, +0.86% showing nearly every seat full on the plane out of Newark Airport in New Jersey. He said customers were “shocked” and “scared.”

" At the time, United said it could no longer guarantee all customers would be booked next to an empty seat.
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Here is what happened 2 weeks ago.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-frighteningly-packed-flight-out-of-newark-has-doctor-saying-he-wont-fly-again-anytime-soon-2020-05-10?mod=article_inline

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And United, you broke my Taylor Guitar.

Amazing how a little bit light shining made United think it had better change its ways. Then. And now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Breaks_Guitars

Never trust someone that tells you to trust them right after making a wild unsubstantiated accusation. Where is your proof?

I was going to say next weekend or the weekend after once the fallout hits from all the mingling and pool parties etc.

I’m not getting on a goddamn plane until I see it in writing that they are only selling every other row and no strangers seated directly next to one another.

Until then they can kiss my ass. Pretty disgusted by the aviation industry during this thing. Charge me for luggage fine whatever...but everyone who flies should be completely freaked out by what we’ve seen from them. Safety is supposed to be the #1 concern in aviation, and they obviously don’t care about it. The’ve been half assing this since Day 1 and they are STILL doing that, offering just token solutions like “snacks will come with a sanitizing wipe.”

Gimme something I can use.

How about “we will sell only 60 percent of the plane” or something like that? Something that actually makes sense and will make me feel safe, instead of just a sanitization version of that dumb pamphlet that’s supposed to make us feel better about the idea of a plane crash.

Anyone out there getting agoraphobic? I am genuinely starting to fear about having to leave the house at this point.

Agreed on all counts. Countries (and perhaps states or even counties) have different ways of counting Covid-deaths. This can make comparisons very difficult. Belgium reported over 9,000 deaths for 57,000 positive cases, Germany 8,000 deaths for 180,000 confirmed cases... and Russia only 3,600 deaths for 353,000 cases !?

This is why getting statistics on total deaths, all causes combined, gives you an unbiased view on coronavirus toll. We will only be able to get a global view on coronavirus impact once we get these numbers, which should be available in many countries (forget about North Korea, Iran...) You will find below two graphics, showing daily number of reported deaths in France between March 1 and May 11. Three years were compared. Lockdown started mid-March when our hospitals started to be overwhelmed. People don't die instantly and stayed 11 days on average on ventilators - the peak was shifted.In simple words, around April 1st, instead of 1,700-1,800 people dying every day, it reached 2,700-2,800... 1,000 extra deaths per day.

I have seen somewhere a similar graph where 20 years were plotted - this peak is one of the two that showed up in 20 years - the other one was related to a heat wave in August 2003 (13,000 deaths in 3 weeks).

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Also remember these are global stats. France is relatively small - area 15x smaller than the US - yet big enough so that enormous differences were found between various parts. The second graph shows over mortality over 6 weeks, in each administrative county ("département"). From +92% to... less than 0. In other words, in the worst places, mortality nearly doubled. I live near Paris (where we reached + 74%) and close to a hospital: the only traffic I could hear were ambulance sirens and I heard them far too often. But elsewhere, it was as if the epidemic did not exist. Thanks to very limited car traffic, some counties actually experienced a decrease in total deaths.

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This is why you may have very different perpectives on the LOCAL impact of the pandemic. Differences in a country as large as the US must have been even more pronounced.

... and now a word of cautious optimism: the lockdown in France was partially released on May 11; 15 days ago. If the virus is still actively circulating, we should see (should already have seem ?) the beginning of a resurgence of new cases. So far, so good... Fingers crossed. We will know for sure in two more weeks.
Worst places to work seem to be slaughter houses / meat packing places. The virus seems to enjoy confined and cold places...

I see everyone focusing primarily on the daily number of new COVID-19 cases in a given city, state, etc ... but that number doesn't seem as important as the the percentage of new cases based on the total number of tests performed each day. Testing is all over the map, and this would be the best way to compare one geographic area to another. It would also be a more accurate way to gauge how the spread in a particular area is trending.

A little. I’m getting fed up with the local bums and riff raff and I have lashed out at a couple occasions.

Not loving walking around my block lately. But straight up afraid to leave the house agora nah, I’m going out a bit everyday.

Pictures like that make it almost embarrassing to even admit that my family went to the Outer Banks last week. Our view was very different, though.

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One afternoon there were groups of people with only about 10-12 feet between them, and we went back to the house and hit the pool (private) instead.

We chose to go last week because it was the first week they were open, and we knew the house had not been used since March. By the end of the week, people were already letting their guard down, and we were glad to be leaving.

I still walk the dog every day around the neighborhood, but I have to admit feeling growing anxiety when driving anywhere (groceries, etc)

I had a conversation the other day about possibly getting together with a friend, and just considering it practically gave me a panic attack. That reaction was a bit worrisome to me and not sure it makes sense.

I hope this is suggested spacing and not a method to avoid Corona Splash.

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I'd be buying it for the V-8 manual trans combo which is a platform I can and like to work with. It is obviously going to need at least some work and who knows how much I will be beefing it up in the future. It wouldn't be my first rodeo with AMC Jeeps.

There are other places that would show rust if it is there, but if it is truly an original Ca. vehicle, rust should be pretty much non existent. However, there is always a cure for anything on these.

https://www.shellvalley.com/index.cfm/page/ptype=product/product_id=368/category_id=137/mode=prod/prd368.htm

In my area, there is now an advertisement about how you can get a test to detect if you have antibodies to COVID-19 and the advertisement says that it "only costs" $189. I also hear some people say that the test is covered by insurance and the copay is like $10. I think they are doing it in parking lots. Someone please explain to me why I would want to pay for this test or why I would even want it... The only reason I can possibly imagine is if your employer is requiring that for you to return to work...

yeah most labcorps are doing it at $10 walk-in with insurance. You'd want to check to see if you had the virus and now carry the antibodies. It would mean you could safely return to your life for the most part, as your body now has a way to defend against it.

I don't want to be locked inside a pressurized tube with strangers either. Your comment reminded me about this article I read recently.
I think the airline industry realizes its a new world and they have to innovate before changes become mandated.
https://www.smartertravel.com/plane-seats-coronavirus-change/
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So you can get classified and catalogued and become part of somebody's database.

The sniper in me would be aiming for that X on the wall.

You have to be very careful with the antibody tests. FDA basically let anyone who wanted to to start marketing tests. Then after they were already flooded in the marketplace, FDA asked companies to provide proof their tests worked if they wanted an “fda approved” sticker.

Even the few with the “approved” stickers are not exactly accurate.

The idea is that if you have antibodies, then you have had covid already and are immune. This is not an unreasonable assumption, but has not been proven.

Your a Toyota guy and your buying a Jeep. I'm kinda shocked

I would love to know so I could relax my guard a bit and maybe normalize my life somewhat. That said my gut instincts tells me those tests are unreliable and I would prefer going through my doctor.

Edit: Sucks to be last after a moderator delay.

If you get a positive result definitely inquire about which brand. I believe the Abbott test is the one with considerable false-positives. The Roche one seems to have better stats.

At one time about 20 years ago I owned several Jeeps, and a '67 Bronco. Sold them all and got rid of all my extra parts. 4 wheel drives were more than a hobby, they were an obsession.

My 1986 CJ-7 I built had an AMC 401 and a T-18 cast iron 4 speed with a 6-1 granny gear. The dream and the itch is back.

With Toyota, there is just nothing to work on. I can't sit around here and get paid to do nothing. Meeting the dude in a couple hours.

https://www.freedomfoundation.com/washington/washington-health-officials-gunshot-victims-counted-as-covid-19-deaths/

I would think if you are a family of four living together and you all test positive for the antibodies, that would be a good indicator that you all were all indeed exposed to the virus. It seems unlikely that there would be four false positives, and more likely that the virus would spread to every member of a single household.

Had a young guy tell me and the wife that they're now saying we shouldn't wear masks so we can breathe in the beneficial bacteria. We gave him an "Oh ok" and kept walking. He kept talking across the parking lot until we got to our car. F'ing crazy...

Freedom foundation?

It’s amazing what people think qualifies as “news links” around here.

They are a self-described biased political "think tank." Their “about us” statement would get them banned from this thread.

Not a news source. I'm inclined to agree with Gov. Inslee's take on them. ANd mind you this from the "Bullshit Foundation's" own web site:

"When asked about the Foundation’s report at a press conference Monday, Gov. Jay Inslee dismissed it as “dangerous,” “disgusting” and “malarkey.” He further accused the Freedom Foundation of “fanning these conspiracy claims from the planet Pluto” and not caring about the lives lost to COVID-19."

Probably, but is there any known reason of false-positives? If the tests are conflating influenza-a with covid, for instance, then the positive tests from the household would be less of an indicator.

Consider the source - This is a billionaire funded, right wing conservative group that bill's itself as a "think tank," but it is well-known for advancing aggressive techniques - anti choice, LGBT, Climate...you name it.

It's pretty sad that these days I am immediately skeptical of any group or media outlet with the word "Freedom" in the title.

So "Freedom foundation" is anti-choice? How ironic.

Seems harmless to kick these attention getting headlines around, right?

If you read their own article and the DOH explanations, they say, yes there were a few (5) erroneously reported deaths. They are correcting and that is not their policy.

This is how people get stupid about the pandemic. An agenda driven organization pulls a few statements from context, makes sweeping generalizations that fit the agenda, and boom - people read the headlines, start spreading it on social media, friends of friends assume their friends are informed and a whole swath of people believe in wrong information and/or conspiracy theories.

Stemming from that belief, some cease being careful and people die from the bullshit that ensues.

I think what I am hearing from some people in my area on antibody testing, is this thing about "I just want to learn that I am immune, so that I can not be so afraid". Frankly, I am not paying anything for that feeling. There are plenty of other real things to be afraid of, so I see it as an unproductive waste of time and money. Further, some group is making a boatload of money doing virus antibody testing, because some people are just terrified of the whole situation. I think it is immoral to live off the fear of people, but I guess some people really do need the test for antibodies, because they were previously infected, had symptoms, and want to go back to work. Perhaps the antibody test is necessary for those people. Perhaps that antibody test proves that they are no longer contagious.

The Roche antibody test is extremely accurate, it’s the actual Covid test that has been giving some false positives.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwimwcK8ktLpAhWDvZ4KHVAaCXsQFjAFegQICBAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cebm.net%2Fcovid-19%2Fcovid-19-roche-antibody-test-14th-may%2F&usg=AOvVaw0I_FqFOsgMlOISvjonrTbW