Pleasant Hill, MO
Quoted from rwmech5:US just posted 14,000 new cases today. Probably due to expanded test results coming back.
And the day is barely half over. What's the deal with all the cases in Louisiana?
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Quoted from RTR:I don't think that Faucci gets to say everything he would like to say. I suspect his testing comments were more related to the follow up after testing, how badly we had already screwed up testing, and the reality that S Korean methods would not/could not be duplicated in the US for logistical and political reasons.
S Korea's testing program was only part of a comprehensive integrated plan - very early and widespread testing, monitored quarantine, tracing the contacts of the infected person, electronic (cell phone) monitoring of the infected, sharing of information across the country, re-testing contacts, follow up of everyone, and a very strong single payer healthcare infrastructure with which to carry it out.
Meanwhile we were having a hard time figuring out toilet paper distribution and allowing private individuals to buy up all the available masks and hand cleaner.
I don't disagree with any of this but we certainly could have done significantly better than we have been. And stating that testing wouldn't help is just not true.
Carlisle, ON
Quoted from rwmech5:US just posted 14,000 new cases today. Probably due to expanded test results coming back.
Over 12,000 of those in NY!
Quoted from rwmech5:US just posted 14,000 new cases today. Probably due to expanded test results coming back.
Almost 13,000 of those new cases in NY. Only going to get worse.
Quoted from vicjw66:Deleted post
Wow Vic get over yourself or slow the bottle, the world does not revolve around you.
Quoted from loneacer:And the day is barely half over. What's the deal with all the cases in Louisiana?
Mardi Gras?
Quoted from pinball_ric:I don't disagree with any of this but we certainly could have done significantly better than we have been. And stating that testing wouldn't help is just not true.
Totally agree. Testing was and is still a major fail. More testing will still help, if nothing else to let people realize the severity of the situation, allow local health systems to understand magnitude, etc.
The Closing of 21 Million Cell Phone Accounts in China May Suggest a High CCP Virus Death Toll
https://www.theepochtimes.com/the-closing-of-21-million-cell-phone-accounts-in-china-may-suggest-a-high-ccp-virus-death-toll_3281291.html?fbclid=IwAR1eUEhIimT_YDn2kAp7DzjHODAUbwjZf4FXHsBdJ336d8b7maZXhpbu8Wk
Quoted from rwmech5:US just posted 14,000 new cases today. Probably due to expanded test results coming back.
Huh. Better not let that cruise ship dock. Could “skew the numbers.”
Quoted from Jaybird815:I wish I was my dog right about now, not a care in the world.[quoted image]
Kinda gross. But adorable.
Quoted from rwmech5:US just posted 14,000 new cases today. Probably due to expanded test results coming back.
Expected... this article has a nice approach for explaining and charting where we are in the cycle...
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/20/health/coronavirus-data-logarithm-chart.html
Quoted from FYMF:Hey Doc:
Serious question: Just got a call from a close friend who up til now thought this is all overplayed.
His wife is extremely sick with flu like symptoms out of nowhere
He says she has the exact same symptoms described by others with the VID (can we call it that?)
He said she went to the doctor and "they tested her for 2 flus." (Presumably A and B,) but not Covid19.
He says that they told her she tested negative for both flu test and "she had a virus but not Covid and go home."
My question is: with these symptoms and negative results on both flu strains and no Covid test... I feel like he should assume she has Covid for his family's sake no?
Thanks much!
Yes, I would consider her as a COVID-19 patient until a negative test is obtained. Even then a single negative test does not rule it out. Our current recommendations from our medical system here is that we are not testing low risk patients to try and preserve the number of tests we do have. Low risk patients are instructed to quarantine at home for 7 days OR 3 days after their last fever, whichever is LONGER.
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I am cutting the cord. I would appreciate your help.
I wish everybody else well. Please, please, please keep your wits about you and practice common sense and respect for others. This is going to get worse before it gets better, and this is the time to try to help as opposed to tear down.
Quoted from arcademojo:This whole social distancing thing is pretty much thrown out the window when it comes to grocery stores.
Yeah, that's a huge concern.
Wish I had this gal to shop for me.
shop-matrix (resized).jpgQuoted from BobSacamano:Yeah, that's a huge concern.
Wish I had this gal to shop for me.[quoted image]
That's probably actually a dude.
Quoted from BobSacamano:Yeah, that's a huge concern.
Wish I had this gal to shop for me.[quoted image]
I don't know where that's at but gotta be a Walmart!
Quoted from arcademojo:I don't know where that's at but gotta be a Walmart!
Looks like Costco to me lol
Quoted from Zablon:That's probably actually a dude.
Dude or woman, it still has a nice figure.
Quoted from vicjw66:Deleted post
I brought a black friend to who-dey's home. Sounds like a real racist to allow that.
Villejuif
Moderation and personal notice:
Try to stay away from blaming people or organizations. Now is not the time - it's too late or too early.
Many will be blamed later with good reasons. In the US and abroad, France included. Especially France.
I don't know many countries in which this crisis was handled correctly.
But later.
Try to keep your comments to the current situation and how you can improve it. Perhaps criticizing what is going on in a given state now would be tolerated if aimed at promoting changes and saving lives - but commenting on what was decided in January or February is (sadly) no longer helpful.
The time is rather to stick together, take care of your loved ones and stay united.
Be careful, and help your medical staff the way you can... if only by avoiding the risk of catching it.
Quoted from DBLM:I wish everybody else well. Please, please, please keep your wits about you and practice common sense and respect for others. This is going to get worse before it gets better, and this is the time to try to help as opposed to tear down.
This! Exactly my thoughts - are you sure you really want a thread eject?
Quoted from DBLM:Moderators, can I get a voluntary permanent ejection from this thread? It is just a nasty and toxic thread that has brought out the worst in folks with politics, half truths, and sheer stupidity. I have drained it numerous times but always come back to see what is going on. This is not a great behavior, and I am cutting the cord. I would appreciate your help.
I wish everybody else well. Please, please, please keep your wits about you and practice common sense and respect for others. This is going to get worse before it gets better, and this is the time to try to help as opposed to tear down.
I got moderated for politics, but it seems to me this whole thread is highly political. Whatever, I’m enjoying it. And I don’t own this forum. I do however vote with my wallet, and will act accordingly.
Quoted from jlm33:This! Exactly my thoughts - are you sure you really want a thread eject?
Yes. Nothing for me in here.
Quoted from Wickerman2:Harbor freight donating their PPE stock to hospitals
Ironic, everything at HF is made in China.
Doc, can someone get Covid if they have already gotten it (one and done)? There seems to be anecdotal evidence that they can but is there a consensus on this topic?
Quoted from Rondogg:Doc, can someone get Covid if they have already gotten it (one and done)? There seems to be anecdotal evidence that they can but is there a consensus on this topic?
He had answered that earlier and I think he said there wasn't enough evidence in to determine that yet.
Quoted from Rondogg:Doc, can someone get Covid if they have already gotten it (one and done)? There seems to be anecdotal evidence that they can but is there a consensus on this topic?
No consensus on this. There have been anecdotal reports of people testing positive twice but it would be pretty atypical to be able to be reinfected with a particular strain of virus. It's also not clear if you can contract the S type after recovering from L type.
Quoted from DBLM:Yes. Nothing for me in here.
Damn. Suicide by mod!!!!
Doc is there any chance that if someone had contracted one of the other strains of corona that even though they are not identical strains it could impart some % of resistance? I'm thinking like human DNA this virus has a basic frame if you will that is common to all strains which our immune system may recognize? I'm speaking of the novel strains from animal to human.
Quoted from RWH:Doc is there any chance
Freezing food kill it? Can’t find via the google
Quoted from Wickerman2:Harbor freight donating their PPE stock to hospitals
That's pretty awesome, but what is really annoying me is these damn hospital administrators. I'm not referring to the front line staff putting themselves at risk, so don't take this the wrong way.
With outrageous healthcare costs and huge profits, they don't have a stash of PPE in a room in the basement? Seriously? It was only a few days into this mess and I started hearing about PPE shortages!!! Every CEO that let this happen, for the benefit of higher profits, should be fired. Idiots.
I work in a lab and you can be damn sure we have plenty of PPE for our staff. It only takes one factory to catch on fire, or some other hiccup in the supply chain and you're on back order for who knows how long.
Rand Paul, Senate typhoid mary:
During the Senate GOP lunch today, Moran told colleagues that Rand was at the gym this morning, per two sources briefed on the lunch, and that he was swimming in the pool. Rand got his COVID-19 results back this morning.
Quoted from Wickerman2:Rand Paul, Senate typhoid mary:
During the Senate GOP lunch today, Moran told colleagues that Rand was at the gym this morning, per two sources briefed on the lunch, and that he was swimming in the pool. Rand got his COVID-19 results back this morning.
O. M. G.
Come on man!!!!
And close the gym already!!
This interview (in French) published one hour ago summarizes the observations made by Dr. Didier Raoult (a coronavirus specialist working in Marseilles) regarding the first results of the hydroxychloroquine trial in France.
https://www.lorientlejour.com/article/1211545/didier-raoult-a-lolj-les-essais-sur-lhydroxychloroquine-doivent-avancer-pour-ralentir-et-stopper-le-covid-19.html
Here is the (google) traduction
"In almost three-quarters of the twenty-four patients included in its initial clinical trial, the viral load disappeared after six days. The patients were cured."
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Q: Can you present the study that you have carried out concerning the use of hydroxychloroquine in a therapeutic perspective for patients infected with coronavirus?
D. Raoult : When the Chinese reported their promising activity of chloroquine and one of its derivatives, hydroxychloroquine, we proposed to reflect with my team in Marseille on the action of this treatment in patients with this coronavirus. It turns out that hydroxychloroquine is a drug that I know very well. We have already used it to successfully treat certain intracellular bacterial infectious diseases, in combination with an antibiotic from the penicillin family. I also know its side effects. It was then proposed to treat patients with this coronavirus with hydroxychloroquine. This drug has been widely tolerated for thirty years in the treatment of inflammatory diseases. It is a derivative of chloroquine, a drug used for sixty years to combat malaria and which is mainly administered to elderly people leaving for or living in tropical countries.
Q: What clinical trials are being done that suggest that chloroquine has an effect on the disease?
D. Raoult : The protocol that I put in place today has been approved nationally and officially filed. We included 24 people infected with SARS-CoV-2 whom we treated with hydroxychloroquine. We have been monitoring viral load very closely in these people with respiratory problems. The mechanism is the same as that followed in the care of people with AIDS. This is to measure the viral load in the blood before and after the administration of the treatment. If the number of viruses collapses, it is because the medicine is working and the patient is cured. We set a deadline of six days to see if the viral load will drop. It worked with hydroxychloroquine. You should know that the viral carriage (period during which the person is carrier of the virus while being asymptomatic) reported by the Chinese is on average twenty days. During this period, the person is contagious. This medication happens to lower the infectiousness to six days. This is a very large margin.
Q: Have you done any comparative studies between chloroquine and other drugs? If yes, what were the results?
D. Raoult: Yes, and this combination of the two molecules was created in our center in Marseille. We have known for a long time that a secondary bacterial infection plays a role in the severity of the state of health of a person treated for a viral infection. A large study has shown that the use of azithromicyne in viral infections in children improves the prognosis and shortens the length of hospital stay. So my team and I have made it a clinical habit to combine azithromicyne with hydroxycholotiquine to treat people with viral infections. The results were good, especially as the viral load in these patients dropped significantly.
Regarding this coronavirus, we were fortunate to have a control group. On the one hand, these are sick people who refused this treatment and, on the other hand, patients hospitalized in Nice, who were not undergoing any treatment and who wanted to participate in this protocol. After six days, we noticed glaring differences in the viral load of sick patients under this protocol and those who did not follow any treatment. The result was surprising. People treated with hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin had an even more dramatic reaction. The viral load in almost all of these patients had disappeared after six days. In addition, we noticed a marked improvement in these same patients after 24 to 48 hours. We asked for a new protocol to try hydroxychloroquine in combination with azithromycin to clarify and confirm my experience.
Q: Is it dangerous to combine hydroxychloroquine with azithromycin? What are the limits for using chloroquine? Does it interact with other drugs?
DR: It is a legitimate question. We did an electrocardiogram to see if these two drugs didn't interact together, causing heart rhythm disturbances. This has been hypothetically proposed but to my knowledge, there is no evidence of a case in which this combination had a significant adverse effect compared to treatment alone with azithromycin, which gives it some very rare problems.
Q: Will all people who test positive benefit from this treatment? Even those who are asymptomatic?
DR: This is a complex issue because even in so-called asymptomatic patients, lung lesions are visible on a lung CT scan. We do not know whether these people are sick or not. It’s a real question of whether to treat them.
The second point is whether we should treat all positive people in order to prevent the spread of the virus. In my opinion, it should be done, because in a communicable disease, it is necessary to treat those which constitute reservoirs of virus and not to remain in ignorance by confining them at home, at home without knowing if they are positive or not. I think that in our era, infectious diseases should be diagnosed and then treated by assessing their contagiousness linked to their viral load.
Q: In which group of patients would this treatment be indicated and at what time of the disease?
Dr: In accordance with the Hippocratic Oath that we have taken, we obey our duty as a doctor. We provide our patients with the best care for the diagnosis and treatment of a disease. We therefore decided to offer treatment, from the diagnosis, to febrile people who come to practice a screening test for coronavirus infection, as well as for all infected patients, many of whom are not very symptomatic and have pulmonary lesions detected at to scan.
Q: Are you optimistic?
DR: I am delighted that since the beginning of our discovery, many countries have taken a close interest in it and want to start a protocol on a thousand people, notably in Oxford, in England, and in Thailand, as well as in the United States. In Spain, 200 people will be included in a work on chloroquine. Anyway, these trials should advance without losing too much time in order to slow down and finally be able to stop the great contagiousness of this virus.
Quoted from Spyderturbo007:It was only a few days into this mess and I started hearing about PPE shortages!!! Every CEO that let this happen, for the benefit of higher profits, should be fired. Idiots.
I think it’s because they have to wear head to toe gear and then chuck it after each use...AND they have to treat everyone as if they have it so they are burning through it
Quoted from Wickerman2:Rand Paul, Senate typhoid mary:
During the Senate GOP lunch today, Moran told colleagues that Rand was at the gym this morning, per two sources briefed on the lunch, and that he was swimming in the pool. Rand got his COVID-19 results back this morning.
If he was tested he should have been quarentined so if he broke that there should be consequences
Quoted from Wickerman2:Rand Paul, Senate typhoid mary:
During the Senate GOP lunch today, Moran told colleagues that Rand was at the gym this morning, per two sources briefed on the lunch, and that he was swimming in the pool. Rand got his COVID-19 results back this morning.
What a fucker.
Quoted from RWH:Doc is there any chance that if someone had contracted one of the other strains of corona that even though they are not identical strains it could impart some % of resistance? I'm thinking like human DNA this virus has a basic frame if you will that is common to all strains which our immune system may recognize? I'm speaking of the novel strains from animal to human.
The closest prior novel coronavirus to this one is SARS from 2003. I don't think we have any data regarding anyone who had SARS and then got SARS-CoV-2.
There is anecdotal evidence of patients being treated with serum from recovered patients and improving after this therapy.
Quoted from jhanley:What a fu
Agreed. Not following the guidelines that they established. Effing Idiot. The senate are predominantly old ass men which is the highest risk group for serious health issues with covid
Quoted from RWH:If he was tested he should have been quarentined so if he broke that there should be consequences
I change my mind, he should step down or be forced to step down.
Quoted from RWH:If he was tested he should have been quarentined so if he broke that there should be consequences
Even with this shit going on, there’s a separate set of rules for the rich and powerful.
Quoted from Wickerman2:Agreed. Not following the guidelines that they established. Effing Idiot. The senate are predominantly old ass men which is the highest risk group for serious health issues with covid
Lol both Senate and House are full of senior representatives.
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