New York, NY
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“Let’s get the Hell out of here!”
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Kitchener, ON
Quoted from wrb1977:Weather forecasting is clearly more advanced in Canada than here in the US.
My local news gives 3 weather reports. One for the south by Detroit. One local to us, and the third is up north in cottage country. Probably 400km from one side of the area to the other, so naturally the wether would be different in your area.
Quoted from JodyG:Is Westchester County so much worse due to the amount of time commuting in to NYC on mass transit?
Infection rates
New York City- 1:181
Westchester County, NY- 1:92
Yes, probably, re: Westchester. It’s NYCs primary bedroom community. It’s a highly desirable place to live (for the most part) and has pretty decent density in its own right in some areas. Lots of towns with villages and shopping districts. And express trains into Grand Central Station.
My county is right across across the Hudson from Westchester. We’re far less dense (and far less desirable, lol) because to get into NYC we gotta cross that damn river. It’s quite bucolic considering I’m 20 mikes away from the George Washington Bridge. We have about 1,800 confirmed cases. 256 in my town.
A lot of "Empty Hospital" videos popping up, just wondered if anyone in these areas could explain or verify if they are real or bogus. The big Hospital in New York was featured by several people, they all looked like ghost towns.
Quoted from phil-lee:A lot of "Empty Hospital" videos popping up, just wondered if anyone in these areas could explain or verify if they are real or bogus. The big Hospital in New York was featured by several people, they all looked like ghost towns.
In the Chicago area, they have opened closed hospitals that have yet to take in patients.
Quoted from phil-lee:A lot of "Empty Hospital" videos popping up, just wondered if anyone in these areas could explain or verify if they are real or bogus. The big Hospital in New York was featured by several people, they all looked like ghost towns.
Could be things similar to this one where the landlord says NO:
Just can't believe some people! Special seats in hell for some folks I hope.
Quoted from phil-lee:A lot of "Empty Hospital" videos popping up, just wondered if anyone in these areas could explain or verify if they are real or bogus. The big Hospital in New York was featured by several people, they all looked like ghost towns.
I haven't taken the time to look at any of those videos but in theory they could be possible. A lot of unnecessary (however that's defined) procedures have been canceled so some departments could be very empty right now. I work in several hospital networks for a living, while I don't have a clinical background, I do know from other coworkers around our region it's very hit and miss depending on where you travel.
Quoted from phil-lee:A lot of "Empty Hospital" videos popping up, just wondered if anyone in these areas could explain or verify if they are real or bogus. The big Hospital in New York was featured by several people, they all looked like ghost towns.
I haven’t seen any of the videos and it honestly sounds like more conspiracy theories.
Here in Texas I can tell you my hospitals parking lot is about half full and that is because the hospital is limiting who can come in and has canceled elective procedures. So, all the traffic of people who are coming in to visit a patient or have an elective surgery, or have a colonoscopy, or an elective cardiac procedure, etc. all those patients are gone.
Quoted from goingincirclez:I agree with you in terms of the "hope". But if reality has shown us anything over the last few years, what would more likely happen, is grudges and bad blood and childish acts would spill over into the rest of the site. You think people complain about / engage in stalking, sniping, and downvote bombing now? AHHAHAHA it's but a petting zoo compared to what would happen!
Ergo, politics belongs on a politics site. Period. And if you're so eager for political discourse, before you ask for a politics thread here (or anywhere else) maybe you should ask yourself, "Gee, hmm, why *aren't* I one one of those politics sites...?"
I can easily tell you why. I couldn't give two you-know-whats about "one of those politics sites". This is the only "social" site I go to and bump elbows with anyone online with any frequency. There is no eagerness for political discourse so don't put words into my mouth goingincirclez. It is for insight, understanding and ideally, being able to better relate fellow online community members. Nothing more, nothing less. The mods and site owners have more experience in running their website and know what works and what doesn't. So I will entrust to them what is best as they do a good job of it.
Quoted from phil-lee:A lot of "Empty Hospital" videos popping up, just wondered if anyone in these areas could explain or verify if they are real or bogus. The big Hospital in New York was featured by several people, they all looked like ghost towns.
If I had to guess, it’s because they are in between stages, but there’s many other logistical reasons. We’ve heard that doctors aren’t seeing patients (I work in a home office role in pharma) because no one wants to take the risk of going to the doctor regardless of geographic location, if they don’t have COVID. So there’s a lot of hospitals and doctors doing the equivalent of waiting for the hurricane to hit.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:We've had this "knowledge" for months yet Florida is still open for business until midnight.
"Understanding the virus" isn't enough in 2020, unfortunately.
Florida is still open for business after midnight. I can go to any store I "need" to under the stay at home orders. People are either going to be smart about it or not.
I had to do the brakes on one of my cars yesterday. I needed an impact driver because the rotor screws were seized. I go to Harbor Freight. There are entire families with kids shopping in Harbor Freight. People are just f'n stupid. You go to a grocery store with a list. You can't find half the shi* on the list. What do you do? Go without or go to another store? It's easy for me to go without. It's harder when it's my kids.
Quoted from Blitzburgh99:Why are there sign language people at news conferences when every modern TV has closed captioning?
ASL is not a universal language but from my understanding it is more universal than English.
Additionally it may be beneficial during playback if the press conference is summarized during your 5:00 10:00 news segment etc.
We ain’t at peak yet. Just about every hospital network is cancelling electives and trying to add a metric ton of capacity for the expected surge.
Even our itty bitty 25 bed hospital has emptied out as much as possible and mapped out where to cram as many extra beds as they can in anticipation.
Other hospitals around here are nearly empty because they have dedicated all 500 beds to 100% covid and as of today they have like 50 patients in there.
So yes, much hay and conspiracy is being made about how there are no sick people. Those posts will age just as well as those from a month or two ago that said no big deal, we will have at most dozens dead.
Quoted from PantherCityPins:I haven’t seen any of the videos and it honestly sounds like more conspiracy theories.
Here in Texas I can tell you my hospitals parking lot is about half full and that is because the hospital is limiting who can come in and has canceled elective procedures. So, all the traffic of people who are coming in to visit a patient or have an elective surgery, or have a colonoscopy, or an elective cardiac procedure, etc. all those patients are gone.
Quoted from phil-lee:A lot of "Empty Hospital" videos popping up, just wondered if anyone in these areas could explain or verify if they are real or bogus. The big Hospital in New York was featured by several people, they all looked like ghost towns.
please see:
Quoted from cait001:I won't get into details (because of American politics,) but beware there are lots of grifters pushing disinfo about the virus for political purposes, so best stick to what the credentialed channels are saying. Rumours and hearsay will give us false confidence and perhaps diminish our vigilance.
Quoted from JodyG:This is good to hear. I do not personally know any North or South Dakota residents myself. Do you feel your area is more predisposed to preparedness and self sufficiency in general? Do you feel people tend to live a bit differently when then overall population density is so low, and good hospitals may be very far away? Your state has about 11 people per square mile, where mine is about 280 per square mile.
Hmm. That's hard to say. I mean plenty of people live on farms where they're used to not going into town that often, but I don't think the average person here is much different than anywhere else I've been. Also, a lot of people around here don't travel beyond the state, or local states, that much, and there really isn't much in the way of public transit. So that would limit spread. I would tend to think that our low population density, combined with being at a great distance from Covid-19 epicenters has helped us / will help us quite a bit. We definitely weren't quick to act (except perhaps in closing schools), but we had enough time to see what happened in Italy, and what was starting to happen in New York, to get our butts in gear. Each passing day more and more precautions are being taken, and people seem to be more and more scared of each other in public.
Another big plus for us is that our largest city, Sioux Falls, has a mayor that has shown tremendous leadership during this crisis. I don't agree with all of his politics, but he has been a great communicator and leader. He does almost daily live-streams from his house or office, or even his garage, updating everyone on what he's been doing and what the latest news and situation is. Really good stuff that helps to quell rumors and punches through the BS. And it's important because Sioux Falls is the highest-risk area for us to have community spread, being our largest city.
Quoted from Mizzou0103:Fair but driving effective engagement regardless of forum is worthwhile. I belong to lots of communities, but there are few that we can exchange ideas as efficiently as forums and social media. If this was some random thread about the new Iron Man code, you’d be totally right. This is about a bigger idea and government effectiveness is imperative to us being successful.
Well said.
Quoted from cait001:please see:
I got early wind of the severity of the outbreak from news sources in India, not sure that is credentialed.
Many times by the time credentialed News sources print or show something the News is days old.
I have no problem discerning hype or conspiracy from truth. The videos were an anomaly, especially footage
from the one in New York.
Like to read ALL News sources and glean what actual information (if any) as possible.
Bottom line, credentialed news sources are suspect until proven from other sources.
these are the same people that want to use the coronavirus, and the shift to online classes, to identify professors that aren't sufficiently "patriotic" in hopes of chasing them off their job. There are whole websites dedicated to stalking university professors who don't meet their ideological criteria. it's sad to think that people's minds turn to that in these dark times, but as the article says, it's really a booming cottage industry to be a "citizen journalist"
Quoted from Seamlesswall:I worked at the Aldrich Contemporary Art Museum as head preparator when Harry Philbrick became director. The precocious son Indigo Philbrick would walk around and look at the art we were hanging. Little did I know he would become famous. The apple didn't fall far from the tree. Google Indigo Philbrick. You will find it entertaining.
hahahaha holy shit https://news.artnet.com/art-world/inigo-philbrick-intelligence-report-2020-1800972
wow
Quoted from cait001:these are the same people that want to use the coronavirus, and the shift to online classes, to identify professors that aren't sufficiently "patriotic" in hopes of chasing them off their job. There are whole websites dedicated to stalking university professors who don't meet their ideological criteria. it's sad to think that people's minds turn to that in these dark times, but as the article says, it's really a booming cottage industry to be a "citizen journalist"
Gotta love those randos with a blog or social media account. 
Quoted from Mizzou0103:Gotta love those randos with a blog or social media account.
I believe it was "Randos" who called CBS on the mat for using footage from an emergency room in Italy and describing it a scene from
ground zero in New York. Without Independent fact checkers much of what is presented as reality would go unchallenged.
Quoted from Mizzou0103:Gotta love those randos with a blog or social media account.
funny thing is, most of them are very well funded.
I'll say no more here.
Quoted from DaWezl:I think my favorite comment regarding conspiracy theories is “Anyone who thinks that 100 people are all keeping some massive secret has clearly never been a project manager.”
My friends from the Masonic Order Fraternity are great at keeping secrets.
arbitrary milestone reached:
Coronavirus Cases:
1,004,791
Italy and Spain still have the most daily deaths (709, 760 respectively), but USA numbers (616) keep going up. (death numbers are SO FAR today)
Quoted from phil-lee:I believe it was "Randos" who called CBS on the mat for using footage from an emergency room in Italy and describing it a scene from
ground zero in New York. Without Independent fact checkers much of what is presented as reality would go unchallenged.
I’m not familiar with either example. Do you have a link to a retraction from CBS or a link that outlines the claim from:
- Fox News
- AP
- Reuters
- WSJ
- New York Times
- Washington Post
Quoted from cait001:arbitrary milestone reached:
Coronavirus Cases:
1,004,791
Italy and Spain still have the most daily deaths (709, 760 respectively), but USA numbers (616) keep going up. (death numbers are SO FAR today)
I’m getting tired of winning this.
Quoted from Mizzou0103:I’m not familiar with either example
I'm not sure we need to dwell on "some person in the video room maybe used the wrong B-roll during a scene in a single segment". There's more than enough grim facts to focus on.
I don't even know if video news bothers with retractions, but NYT and WaPo generally still do.
Quoted from Mizzou0103:I’m not familiar with either example. Do you have a link to a retraction from CBS or a link that outlines the claim from:
- Fox News
- AP
- Reuters
- WSJ
- New York Times
- Washington Post
10 second google search found 20 stories covering the mistake and apology.
I do not waste my time with New York Times or Washington Post so not sure about those "News" sources
Quoted from cait001:I'm not sure we need to dwell on "some person in the video room maybe used the wrong B-roll during a scene in a segment". There's more than enough grim facts to focus on.
Totally fair. Found an article. CBS retracted it and pulled it from all their platforms. I think to use that as justification as being intentionally misleading is out of bounds. You’re right. Totally a “grabbing the wrong b-roll in the editing bay” mistake.
https://nypost.com/2020/04/01/cbs-admits-to-using-footage-from-italy-in-report-about-nyc/
Quoted from cait001:I'm not sure we need to dwell on "some person in the video room maybe used the wrong B-roll during a scene in a segment". There's more than enough grim facts to focus on.
There are hundreds of other like "Mistakes". Credentialed News sources should be above approach if they wish to keep their "Credentials".
Quoted from Blitzburgh99:Why are there sign language people at news conferences when every modern TV has closed captioning?
Performance art.
Quoted from phil-lee:There are hundreds of other like "Mistakes". Credentialed News sources should be above approach if they wish to keep their "Credentials".
Everyone makes mistakes. The difference between reputable and non-reputable is that the good ones own their mistakes and address them. Don’t let one mistake discount a mountain of solid reporting.
Quoted from phil-lee:Credentialed News sources should be above approach
Cool, let's fund them with public money so they have the resources to be that and aren't just manufacturing content to sell commercials.
Quoted from cait001:I'm not sure we need to dwell on "some person in the video room maybe used the wrong B-roll during a scene in a segment". There's more than enough grim facts to focus on.
I am happy I do not depend on others to determine what I need to dwell on. If you are a Major you need to get it right, otherwise I might
as well watch Bogus News Hour.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:I’m getting tired of winning this.
China won a long time ago...they just don’t want the trophy.
Quoted from cait001:Cool, let's fund them with public money so they have the resources to be that and aren't just manufacturing content to sell commercials.
We tried that with NPR, PBS, TASS and BBC. Don't work.
Quoted from phil-lee:Bogus News Hour
I really want this to be a tie in to the new Bill & Ted movie...
Quoted from phil-lee:I got early wind of the severity of the outbreak from news sources in India
So did the Isreali guy in World War Z. Coincidence?
Quoted from Mizzou0103:Everyone makes mistakes. The difference between reputable and non-reputable is that the good ones own their mistakes and address them. Don’t let one mistake discount a mountain of solid reporting.
Yeah, they sometimes own up when they are called out by "Randos" and other fact checkers. Youtube is full of misleading and outright
Fake News Reports from all the Major Players. Seems to be a Trend rather than an "Editing" mistake.
Quoted from phil-lee:We tried that with NPR, PBS, TASS and BBC. Don't work.
NPR, PBS and BBC are all decent, have defined standards, have an ombudsperson/department, issue retractions, have a large legal team, and robust fact-checkers. NYT is also very similar, but also allows more ink to go to their "opinions" columns. If that's not up your alley, I don't know what to tell you. *shrug*
(I'm unsure what TASS is)
Quoted from wrb1977:China won a long time ago...they just don’t want the trophy.
Right, if you think of it statistically speaking, with over a BILLION more in population, how could they NOT win?
Quoted from mcluvin:So did the Isreali guy in World War Z. Coincidence?
Cool, didn't know that, will have to watch that again. India certainly calls it like it is.
Quoted from cait001:NPR, PBS and BBC are all decent, have defined standards, have an ombudsperson/department, issue retractions, have a large legal team, and robust fact-checkers. NYT is also very similar, but also allows more ink to go to their "opinions" columns. If that's not up your alley, I don't know what to tell you. *shrug*
(I'm unsure what TASS is)
Is this why a majority of the people in the UK are protesting having to pay for BBC?
TASS is the Russian News Agency
Quoted from phil-lee:Yeah, they sometimes own up when they are called out by "Randos" and other fact checkers. Youtube is full of misleading and outright
Fake News Reports from all the Major Players. Seems to be a Trend rather than an "Editing" mistake.
A mistakenly miscredited 4 second video clip on a morning show doesn't shake my faith in the credibility of the mainstream media.
It's just not very important, unless you really believe there's a media conspiracy to convince you that there is a crisis in NYC's hospitals when in fact it's a paradise right now. Don't worry, the NYC hospital B-roll is coming soon enough and it's gonna be horrifying. For now you can rely on the B-roll of body bags being wheeled out to freezer trucks to tide you over.
I kinda hate to stick up for CBS news as their news division is pretty atrocious right now, but I just don't think this "media lie" is worth the 2 straight weeks of play it's going to get on Fox News.
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