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#5801 9 months ago

Im upset that it is back to blaming blue, on right media, while complaining now is not the time for Politics,
when criticism comes the other way.

#5802 9 months ago
Quoted from cait001:

"When asked if Covid-19 will spur unionization, I first said no—how can you unionize when there's social distancing & u can't even meet
But now I realize so many workers are angry about how their companies handled Covid19, it's spurring lots of organizing"
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/30/opinion/coronavirus-worker-strike.html

I won’t venture an opinion other than I think a lot of people are going to look at the world they were living in pre-Covid19 and see a lot of things they’d like changed. Perspectives have and will continue to evolve as a result of this. This will be fascinating.

#5803 9 months ago
Quoted from TheFamilyArcade:

I won’t venture an opinion other than I think a lot of people are going to look at the world they were living in pre-Covid19 and see a lot of things they’d like changed. Perspectives have and will continue to evolve as a result of this. This will be fascinating.

The Plague of Justinian, circa 540, cemented a new direction and change in Govt, and theology, in all 3 Major faiths.

#5804 9 months ago
Quoted from lifefloat:

Post #5753 with the video of the guy who has his diploma in the background as validity that he is a doctor......did anybody notice that the
bookcase with the fancy gilded books on the shelves is a poster? Who hangs a poster of a bookcase up behind them? A real doctor? A person who really likes books but can't afford them?
I'm not hating on the guy but it just struck me as a little odd.

No odd... an obvious attempt to try to create credibility.... reason enough to not even watch the video

#5805 9 months ago
Quoted from OLDPINGUY:

The Plague of Justinian, circa 540, cemented a new direction and change in Govt, and theology, in all 3 Major faiths.

This global event will change how we work, play, travel and eat for centuries to come.

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#5806 9 months ago
Quoted from Rondogg:

None of this will ever be over until we have a vaccine. Then it will be over.

So I have been trying to understand the following from the beginning of this. Once again, in no way am I trying to minimize the seriousness of the situation we are in and 100% agree with all of the precautions and steps we are doing to fight this and in many ways could be doing more. This is not meant to be provocative, I am just looking for some understanding...

Statistics from the 2018-2019 flu season in the US... https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html

35,500,000 illnesses (influenza)
16,500,000 medical visits
490,600 hospitalizations
34,200 deaths

CDC estimates up to 62,000 flu deaths for the 2019-2020 season.

Statistics thru March 30th for COVID-19 in the US...
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html

140,904 cases (COVID-19)
2,405 deaths

I realize these numbers will continue to go up, but we haven’t even scratched the surface of yearly flu numbers and I hope and pray we don’t. Another thing that made me think is that flu numbers are this high and that is WITH available flu shots and treatments. What would flu numbers be without our years of research and experience in dealing with it?

Also, why don’t we take the same precautions (e.g. social distancing) we are currently taking with the coronavirus each year with the flu? It’s almost as if we have just given up on fighting the flu and accept the tens of thousands of deaths each year here in the US. Will the coronavirus become part of our society just like the flu? Will people go out and get their yearly flu and coronavirus shots?

Any insight from anyone would be appreciated as this really has confused me from the start. Pinside Doc...any thoughts???

#5807 9 months ago
Quoted from wrb1977:

Any insight from anyone would be appreciated as this really has confused me from the start. Pinside Doc...any thoughts???

Im no Dr, or play one on TV.
Coronavirus is 20 times more contagious and deadly than the flu. I read that somewhere.

#5808 9 months ago
Quoted from wrb1977:

So I have been trying to understand the following from the beginning of this. Once again, in no way am I trying to minimize the seriousness of the situation we are in and 100% agree with all of the precautions and steps we are doing to fight this and in many ways could be doing more. This is not meant to be provocative, I am just looking for some understanding...
Statistics from the 2018-2019 flu season in the US... https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html
35,500,000 illnesses (influenza)
16,500,000 medical visits
490,600 hospitalizations
34,200 deaths
CDC estimates up to 62,000 flu deaths for the 2019-2020 season.
Statistics thru March 30th for COVID-19 in the US...
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html
140,904 cases (COVID-19)
2,405 deaths
I realize these numbers will continue to go up, but we haven’t even scratched the surface of yearly flu numbers and I hope and pray we don’t. Another thing that made me think is that flu numbers are this high and that is WITH available flu shots and treatments. What would flu numbers be without our years of research and experience in dealing with it?
Also, why don’t we take the same precautions (e.g. social distancing) we are currently taking with the coronavirus each year with the flu? It’s almost as if we have just given up on fighting the flu and accept the tens of thousands of deaths each year here in the US. Will the coronavirus become part of our society just like the flu? Will people go out and get their yearly flu and coronavirus shots?
Any insight from anyone would be appreciated as this really has confused me from the start. Pinside Doc...any thoughts???

They know how to treat the flu - this isn't the flu! What people don't seem to understand is doing nothing this would have likely killed millions & the Coronavirus still might kill Millions. NOTHING is know about how long this might last, how we might stop it, etc. If people would have done what they were told this could have been a lot less bad but "stupid people" doing stupid things seems to be the norm these days.

#5809 9 months ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

a lot of places in the midwest where $1200.00 will put a roof over a frugal person for 3 to 6 months.

Quoted from Daditude:

Really? I need to find a place like that.

Frugal people don't own pinball machines.

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#5810 9 months ago
Quoted from wrb1977:

So I have been trying to understand the following from the beginning of this. Once again, in no way am I trying to minimize the seriousness of the situation we are in and 100% agree with all of the precautions and steps we are doing to fight this and in many ways could be doing more. This is not meant to be provocative, I am just looking for some understanding...
Statistics from the 2018-2019 flu season in the US... https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html
35,500,000 illnesses (influenza)
16,500,000 medical visits
490,600 hospitalizations
34,200 deaths
CDC estimates up to 62,000 flu deaths for the 2019-2020 season.
Statistics thru March 30th for COVID-19 in the US...
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html
140,904 cases (COVID-19)
2,405 deaths
I realize these numbers will continue to go up, but we haven’t even scratched the surface of yearly flu numbers and I hope and pray we don’t. Another thing that made me think is that flu numbers are this high and that is WITH available flu shots and treatments. What would flu numbers be without our years of research and experience in dealing with it?
Also, why don’t we take the same precautions (e.g. social distancing) we are currently taking with the coronavirus each year with the flu? It’s almost as if we have just given up on fighting the flu and accept the tens of thousands of deaths each year here in the US. Will the coronavirus become part of our society just like the flu? Will people go out and get their yearly flu and coronavirus shots?
Any insight from anyone would be appreciated as this really has confused me from the start. Pinside Doc...any thoughts???

For the billionth time:

it’s far more contagious and deadly than the annual flu. The annual flu doesn’t quickly overwhelm our hospitals causing massive disruption to our health care system, causing even more deaths and misery. We don’t need pop up morgues and hospital ships and triage in the park to deal with the annual flu.

This answer and awful truth won’t change no matter how many times people ask the same question.

#5811 9 months ago

We also have no immunity to this virus. Its the same as the Native Americans being exposed to viruses for the first time by Europeans.

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#5812 9 months ago

I think there’s a significant difference with the flu. Our “herd” sees flu every year. Yes there are different strains but the immune system has still seen that virus before in some form. You may not be immune to it and it can still make you sick but your immune system has some “memory” of flu when you get it. That’s for seasonal flu. We’ve seen those strains before.

Where flu gets scary is a novel influenza like swine flu or bird flu. Those are viruses that usually live in animal hosts and only rarely infect humans. The Netflix show Pandemic has a lot of good info on this. A new flu that was highly contagious and became uncontained like this coronavirus would possibly be worse than this current pandemic.

The reason people who say this is just another flu are wrong is because if we did not take measures to contain this coronavirus outbreak you could be looking at a few million Americans dead within a year.

See that’s the problem, if our measures work and we limit the damage then the very people who don’t understand why the measures are important now will be saying “See? Told ya so.” They can’t see the alternate reality where we don’t do what’s needed to control the virus and millions die.

#5813 9 months ago

62000 flu deaths over a 6month flu season = 340 a day
The US is going to be topping that number for corona and keep climbing. The virus spread really hasnt hit the full country yet

In addition - you can see how the load impacts the medical system... because its not built to handle this NEW surge in addition to the normal load.

The system is built out to handle the load of the normal flu. We are not built out for this new load... thats why change was necessary to avoid a massive stackup that results in much higher death counts because treatment can’t be reached.

#5814 9 months ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

For the billionth time, it’s far more contagious and deadly than the annual flu. The annual flu doesn’t overwhelm our hospitals causing massive disruption to our health care system.

Selective memory - you don't remember the Great Flu of 2018-2019 where they shut down NYC, shuttered Disney World and stopped virtually all international flights??

#5815 9 months ago

Someone forgot to tell Dakotas, Nebraska, Iowa and Arkansas about Coronavirus. I know casinos are shutdown in Nevada so striking them from this list.

Coronavirus is real and Coronavirus is here. Everyone is being asked to comply with their state or local laws about keeping 6 foot social distancing, no group functions, only essential workers going into work and washing hands frequently to wearing a mask in public places now.
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#5816 9 months ago

People coming to the thread with a flu argument at this stage are not seriously seeking information.

#5817 9 months ago
Quoted from Ericpinballfan:

Im no Dr, or play one on TV.
Coronavirus is 20 times more contagious and deadly than the flu. I read that somewhere.

But, did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express?

#5818 9 months ago
Quoted from RTR:

People coming to the thread with a flu argument at this stage are not seriously seeking information.

anti-vaxers ?

#5819 9 months ago
Quoted from Pinball_Gizzard:

I think there’s a significant difference with the flu. Our “herd” sees flu every year. Yes there are different strains but the immune system has still seen that virus before in some form. You may not be immune to it and it can still make you sick but your immune system has some “memory” of flu when you get it. That’s for seasonal flu. We’ve seen those strains before.
Where flu gets scary is a novel influenza like swine flu or bird flu. Those are viruses that usually live in animal hosts and only rarely infect humans. The Netflix show Pandemic has a lot of good info on this. A new flu that was highly contagious and became uncontained like this coronavirus would possibly be worse than this current pandemic.
The reason people who say this is just another flu are wrong is because if we did not take measures to contain this coronavirus outbreak you could be looking at a few million Americans dead within a year.
See that’s the problem, if our measures work and we limit the damage then the very people who don’t understand why the measures are important now will be saying “See? Told ya so.” They can’t see the alternate reality where we don’t do what’s needed to control the virus and millions die.

It isn’t a flue, it is a common cold virus but it is a bad one. My daughter got sick last year and was sick as hell. She was in the hospital for 3 days and they never figured out what was wrong. Now they think it was the corona virus but they have no way of know way of knowing for sure.

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#5820 9 months ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

For the billionth time:
it’s far more contagious and deadly than the annual flu. The annual flu doesn’t quickly overwhelm our hospitals causing massive disruption to our health care system, causing even more deaths and misery. We don’t need pop up morgues and hospital ships and triage in the park to deal with the annual flu.
This answer and awful truth won’t change no matter how many times people ask the same question.

Instead of being condescending and opening with your snide remark, how about you answer each of my individual questions within my post. I am NOT in any way saying this is just another flu. I realize it is more contagious and hasn’t been seen before. My point was more the lack of care for those that die from the flu each year. Why are we not being consistent with ALL deadly viruses? If we social distance for coronavirus, why not the flu each year? So, crazylevi, instead of getting frustrated with me, I ask you to answer my individual questions contained within post #5806. I am looking for answers not confrontation.

#5821 9 months ago

I'm copying this from another thread I created:

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/corona-virus-help-fight-the-pandemic-with-your-gpu-and-cpu#post-5555820

I know there are a lot of threads on this topic, but I don't think any have really touched on using our PCs to assist. Here's a potential way to help while we all practice some social distancing:

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/fhb5e4/coronavirus_specific_gpu_projects_are_now/

I've taken the liberty of setting up a group for Pinside (Robin, please let me know if that's not cool). I don't know if there's any sort of real incentives for doing so, but I figured making a bit of a game out of it may help. If any incentives are attributed to me (I used my email to sign up), I'll commit to sending 100% of those back to the cause.

Group Number: 240505
Password: Pinball2theRescue!!!

Very basically, the client will run in the background and help to crunch calculations with your PCs unused resources. There are settings so you can choose to only have it run while the PC is idle.

It's also worth noting that there are efforts to assist in other disease prevention, including cancer and parkinsons. I'd love to see us use our sense of community to contribute to other efforts after this is all over.

Note: It looks like the "any disease" selection is currently what's being used for Corona.

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#5822 9 months ago
Quoted from wrb1977:

Instead of being condescending and opening with your snide remark, how about you answer each of my individual questions within my post. I am NOT in any way saying this is just another flu. I realize it is more contagious and hasn’t been seen before. My point was more the lack of care for those that die from the flu each year. Why are we not being consistent with ALL deadly viruses? If we social distance for coronavirus, why not the flu each year? So, crazylevi, instead of getting frustrated with me, I ask you to answer my individual questions contained within post #5806. I am looking for answers not confrontation.

We are proactive with the flu. There is active surveillance of the animal reservoirs to monitor for new strains, there are vaccines each year to help protect us from the seasonal flu. If a novel strain emerged multiple systems would come into play to control the outbreak.

Bottom line is we can’t shut down the world every fall for the flu season. Despite all our measures some people still die from the flu each year. It’s a matter of degrees.

#5824 9 months ago
Quoted from RTR:

People coming to the thread with a flu argument at this stage are not seriously seeking information.

This is not a flu argument...you must not have read the whole thing. I realize this IS worse than the flu...more contagious AND new. I support and am practicing 100% of our precautions and actions and in many ways I feel we could be doing more. Many people are not listening to what we are being told to do and it infuriates me.

#5825 9 months ago

For the "Just the flu" people....here is where we are headed if the curve does not start flattening in the next 12 days (Easter).
Feel free to check my math...
67,000 US deaths by Easter.

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#5826 9 months ago
Quoted from wrb1977:

This is not a flu argument...you must not have read the whole thing. I realize this IS worse than the flu...more contagious AND new. I support and am practicing 100% of our precautions and actions and in many ways I feel we could be doing more. Many people are not listening to what we are being told to do and it infuriates me.

Yet... you only respond to the posts that tear you down... not to the posts that answer the questions you pose....

So one has to wonder if you actually want the answers...

#5828 9 months ago
Quoted from wrb1977:

This is not a flu argument...you must not have read the whole thing. I realize this IS worse than the flu...more contagious AND new. I support and am practicing 100% of our precautions and actions and in many ways I feel we could be doing more. Many people are not listening to what we are being told to do and it infuriates me.

Hit dog always hollers.

But if you are serious - Flu is endemic. For various reasons we cannot eradicate it. It will always be with us. We have developed ways to fight it - Tamiflu, flu shots, herd immunity, partially immunity, etc. We are not defenseless against it and the mortality rate has gone down to roughly .01% due to our efforts in fighting it.

Coronavirus is pandemic, but will likely become endemic. And we have ZERO proven defenses for it, except our own immune sytems and our over-large brain - which if used correctly - can allow many of us to avoid catching it for a while. Add to this that the mortality rate is much higher than flu and the % of people requiring hospitalization is higher as well. Therefore it takes up an inordinate amount of resources to fight it as compared to flu.

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#5829 9 months ago
Quoted from Pinball_Gizzard:

We are proactive with the flu. There is active surveillance of the animal reservoirs to monitor for new strains, there are vaccines each year to help protect us from the seasonal flu. If a novel strain emerged multiple systems would come into play to control the outbreak.
Bottom line is we can’t shut down the world every fall for the flu season. Despite all our measures some people still die from the flu each year. It’s a matter of degrees.

Thanks Doc for answering some of my questions...makes sense. The flu numbers are what they are WITHOUT preventative measures, such as social distancing, in place. So it does make sense that even WITH these measures in place the coronavirus numbers continue to climb rapidly showing the severity of what we are dealing with. I guess it’s just a numbers game and the flu deaths we experience each year is considered “acceptable” by our society.

#5830 9 months ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

Yet... you only respond to the posts that tear you down... not to the posts that answer the questions you pose....
So one has to wonder if you actually want the answers...

I was responding to the Doc next.

#5831 9 months ago
Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:

Someone forgot to tell Dakotas, Nebraska, Iowa and Arkansas about Coronavirus. I know casinos are shutdown in Nevada so striking them from this list.
Coronavirus is real and Coronavirus is here. Everyone is being asked to comply with their state or local laws about keeping 6 foot social distancing, no group functions, only essential workers going into work and washing hands frequently to wearing a mask in public places now.
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Link: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-stay-at-home-order.html

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#5832 9 months ago
Quoted from RTR:

Hit dog always hollers.

I was in the process of responding to the Doc.

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#5833 9 months ago
Quoted from wrb1977:

Thanks Doc for answering some of my questions...makes sense. The flu numbers are what they are WITHOUT preventative measures, such as social distancing, in place. So it does make sense that even WITH these measures in place the coronavirus numbers continue to climb rapidly showing the severity of what we are dealing with. I guess it’s just a numbers game and the flu deaths we experience each year is considered “acceptable” by our society.

Unfortunately medical science has not gotten to the point we can fix everything. Sometimes infections still kill people. I’ve seen patients die from severe influenza, pneumonia, skin infections, etc. These are all diseases we have good treatments for and far fewer people die from these things compared to 50 years ago but we aren’t perfect yet.

I’m waiting for the little wand they have in Star Trek that instantly fixes things.

#5834 9 months ago
Quoted from JodyG:

For the "Just the flu" people....here is where we are headed if the curve does not start flattening in the next 12 days (Easter).
Feel free to check my math...
67,000 US deaths by Easter.
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Hopefully we “crest” soon...definitely scary.

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#5835 9 months ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

No odd... an obvious attempt to try to create credibility.... reason enough to not even watch the video

if you ever get a chance, try to get someone to give you a tour of one of your local TV channels where you can see a TV set for a news show. On TV, it looks all glittery and upscale. But up close you will see some of the backdrops are held together with scotch tape. The news caster is sitting there with his/her jacket and tie on while below desk level he is wearing a pair of Bermuda shorts and flip flops. And on either side of the set, you will see the brick walls of what is basically a warehouse building.

You cannot go by the backdrop and pass a decision about this guy. Some of the doctors' offices I have been in were barely big enough for the two of us. You can't go by with what you see on the camera. The guy was not in his office when this video was made. but no one can tell where he was at.

#5836 9 months ago
Quoted from Ericpinballfan:

Im no Dr, or play one on TV.
Coronavirus is 20 times more contagious and deadly than the flu. I read that somewhere.

But he did sleep in a Holiday Inn Express las night

#5837 9 months ago

Flula is amazing.

#5838 9 months ago
Quoted from Pinball_Gizzard:

Unfortunately medical science has not gotten to the point we can fix everything. Sometimes infections still kill people. I’ve seen patients die from severe influenza, pneumonia, skin infections, heart attacks, etc. These are all diseases we have good treatments for and far fewer people die from these things compared to 50 years ago but we aren’t perfect yet.
I’m waiting for the little wand they have in Star Trek that instantly fixes things.

Why do you think social distancing isn’t really discussed or practiced during the annual flu season, especially around the elderly where it often leads to pneumonia and then death or those with underlying health conditions? Seems like we could be doing a better job with lowering flu deaths.

#5840 9 months ago
Quoted from wrb1977:

Why do you think social distancing isn’t really discussed or practiced during the annual flu season, especially around the elderly where it often leads to pneumonia and then death or those with underlying health conditions? Seems like we could be doing a better job with lowering flu deaths.

Well I think part of it is complacency. People should be washing their hands all the time like they are now yet we don’t. You shouldn’t go to the movies if you are sick but people do it. You should eat healthy and exercise but we don’t (guilty here as well).

People do all sorts of things that aren’t good for them.

#5841 9 months ago
Quoted from wrb1977:

Instead of being condescending and opening with your snide remark, how about you answer each of my individual questions within my post. I am NOT in any way saying this is just another flu. I realize it is more contagious and hasn’t been seen before. My point was more the lack of care for those that die from the flu each year. Why are we not being consistent with ALL deadly viruses? If we social distance for coronavirus, why not the flu each year? So, crazylevi, instead of getting frustrated with me, I ask you to answer my individual questions contained within post #5806. I am looking for answers not confrontation.

It's not snark, it's frustration.

I would think we are all learning habits that will be helpful with "the flu." Maybe not social distancing and canceling sports seasons, but certainly a little more hand-washing couldn't hurt. Staying home when sick, and not going to work or pinball tournaments might be a good habit for us to pick up long-term.

Regardless, we aren't dealing with "the flu" right now, so let's focus on what we are dealing with - Coronavirus and Covid-19.

#5842 9 months ago

Looks like the CDC will begin recommending masks for all citizens (Home made?).

#5844 9 months ago
Quoted from phil-lee:

Looks like the CDC will begin recommending masks for all citizens (Home made?).

I may finally give in and at least start using a scarf or bandana or something. Seems like everybody else around here is.

#5845 9 months ago
Quoted from Pinball_Gizzard:

Well I think part of it is complacency. People should be washing their hands all the time like they are now yet we don’t. You shouldn’t go to the movies if you are sick but people do it.

Maybe this whole “mess” we are in will raise awareness to the benefits of washing your hands and staying away from people if you are sick. Nothing worse than when a coworker you have to work in close proximity with comes to work sick...you basically know you’re screwed.

#5846 9 months ago
Quoted from Blitzburgh99:

But he did sleep in a Holiday Inn Express las night

I said basically the same thing back on post #5817. Must be a Kansas thing

#5848 9 months ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

It's not snark, it's frustration.
I cannot comprehend how anybody would still be comparing this to "the flu" at this stage of the game. And the answer is no more complicated than the one I - and others - have given many times before.
I would think we are all learning habits that will be helpful with "the flu." Maybe not social distancing and canceling sports seasons, but certainly a little more hand-washing couldn't hurt. Staying home when sick, and not going to work or pinball tournaments might be a good habit for us to pick up long-term.
Regardless, we aren't dealing with "the flu" right now, so let's focus on what we are dealing with - Coronavirus and Covid-19.

I can appreciate your view.

#5849 9 months ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

I may finally give in and at least start using a scarf or bandana or something. Seems like everybody else around here is.

I don't know how effective they are but I'm using what's called a Buff and some are called a Neck Gator. Its very long so I can double up its thickness maybe even triple it. Easy and convenient to raise and lower as needed. I also wash it with bleach after each use.
It's gotta be better than nothing. Maybe?
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#5850 9 months ago
Quoted from henrydwh:

I said basically the same thing back on post #5817. Must be a Kansas thing

Haha! Ya....I saw it after I posted it. My bad.

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Playfield - Plastics
Docquest Pinball Mods
$ 99.99
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Lighted Pinball Mods
$ 259.95
Lighting - Led
Pin Stadium Pinball Mods
$ 54.99
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Lighted Pinball Mods
$ 17.95
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$ 16.95
Playfield - Toys/Add-ons
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