A few hundred dollars less than Zilla…. Going to be a hard sell

You can always add a shaker motor $100, inviglass $250, powder coat $300 but can you add a big 5 story mech in the middle of the playfield????

Spooky has already passed them

If they don’t show it, they won’t have to sell it. They can then continue to sell Houdini, Oktoberfest, Hot Wheels and LOV. GREAT master plan David Fix.

Now I know why David Fix is trying to run American Pinball off the tracks…because tanks don’t need tracks. Next up He-Man with a tank cabinet from all the unsold GTF. Meet the He-Man Attack Track LE

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I hate to say it but this company is DEAD. I have a buddy who lives right next to the factory and he drove by last Thursday and Friday and there were 2 cars in the parking lot. Manufactures have to have employees to manufacture stuff, oh, unless this company is fully automated, or is very green, and everybody carpools. This company is dead!!! It’s sad because they build a gorgeous product, hopefully they have everybody the week off with the holiday on Monday.

They have about 4 employees that come in daily…not going to make very many games that way.

Got confirmation from my inside guy, that they've sold less than 100 LE/SLE machines....not good at all. I hope they have something big planned for their next release. I guess your assumption of around 5 games a week is about correct. They've been at GTF for 5+ months now so that's about 100 machines.

No idea, the number was blended together of the 2 models

Well said PinMonk.

If I were in charge, I would go straight to Keith Elwin and offer him 5% percent of the company and whatever he earns at Stern to come on board and design games. I would follow that up by going out and getting a couple tear to cult themes. Pour some love with over communicating to our customer base and we just sold 2,000+ pins and it gives us something to expand on. They got to go bold, or they’ll go away with an expanded recession, which is sad

He has six hits and five duds within the last 30+ years (not including his early stuff, or 1 of games). We are talking about the goat that is 5 for 5 designing games in less than a decade. If you’re playing game seven in the NBA finals, do you want Michael Jordan with a ball in the last few minutes of the game, or Carmelo Anthony? Norseman has one game in the top 100 of all time and Elwin has three. Now granted, I know the top 100 is flawed, but you have to think big. How did Nordman work out with the last game? You get Elwin and the entire dynamics of the company turn around and people are overly optimistic for the next game coming out. That’s going to be Stern enthusiast, JJP enthusiast, and American Pinball fanboys. So I guess we’re going to agree to disagree on this one.

He turned down JJP because they offered him a paycheck to come over to JJP and he gets a paycheck at Stern. I'm talking.....giving the man ownership in the company (he knocks it out of the park) and it can be a paycheck 4 fold. If you're American Pinball, you have to get creative and think outside the box. Also, thinking outside the box, doesn't consist of non-licensed themes

It’s probably one kid that’s doing prank phone calls getting them excited. We did that all the time when we were kids, but you would think with caller ID these days, AP would figure it out. If they are getting 50 calls a week for that game, they must have the worst sales conversion on the planet…calls to closed sales. O for 50 isn’t a good average boys.

As of a month ago, they hadn’t even moved 200 units between all models. This game is DOA, on to the next game

One of the largest AP distributors

That was told to me about a month ago. I can’t imagine they’ve knocked out too many more deluxe models over the last 30 days

I also think that GTF Pinside percentage is going to be closer to actual numbers since it’s a non themed machine. If you’re going to hold that game, you’re more apt to be a on Pinside. Themes like Queen are going to pull none pinball people into ownership that has never heard of Pinside, way more than a non licensed theme. I do agree though, it’s the only metric you can go off of.

You hit it on the head perfectly. Their goal is to build 500 units. They've built around 200 total unit between all models as of a little over a month ago. They need to build an additional 300 units to meet their 500 units before the end of the year. Unfortunately, the demand for this game is now dead, the market has further softened and there's more choices on the horizon. I could see them maybe building another 75 more but that's about it.

Why is releasing two games and a calendar year encouraging for a boutique Pinball company? If they had success with one game, that would create more sales than they could produce games in a calendar year. It’s the same philosophy where JJP is holding themselves for delivering two games in 2023. The only reason they have been able to deliver to is because both games will be flops. Look at barrels of fun going to produce 1100 labyrinth’s. If American would have a successful game and produce around 1000 of a machine, that would keep them busy for a year.

It’s not going to be food truck, but they just decided to change the name to food tank. That way they can move onto the next game and use the tank accessories for the build……Mr Fix, I’m joking, please don’t do it

Manufacturing companies in the space typically sell for 3 1/2 to 4 times ebitda. In this case there is no ebitda, so good luck with the sale. It’s going to be a sale of assets, which won’t amount to a lot, or some fool wants to own his own Pinball company.

Hopefully the Germans don’t hear about this and stop buying all those galactic tank forces, that David said they’re buying in abundance.

On their Facebook page today, wasn’t this suppose to be exclusive to the signature?

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