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The Next American Pinball

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#251 9 months ago

Would like to see Speed Racer with Racer X. (Mentioned above) think it would be a great play.

#252 9 months ago

Sherlock Holmes would not be a big seller for them - they need to go for a broader appeal than that....

#253 9 months ago
Quoted from wamonkey:

Sherlock Holmes would not be a big seller for them - they need to go for a broader appeal than that....

I agree that they need something with broad appeal. You may be right. It may not be Sherlock. Without knowing their business model or how many units they've sold of their games, I can still speculate that AP needs a mass-appeal game to stay competitive. It seems like all the other major manufacturers are carving out places for themselves in the marketplace: Stern the big boy with licenses and name recognition, JJP with high-end, higher priced games, Spooky with the edgy, boutique themes, Chicago Gaming with the remakes (primarily). Where does that leave AP?

#254 9 months ago
Quoted from Charlemagne1987:

I agree that they need something with broad appeal. You may be right. It may not be Sherlock. Without knowing their business model or how many units they've sold of their games, I can still speculate that AP needs a mass-appeal game to stay competitive. It seems like all the other major manufacturers are carving out places for themselves in the marketplace: Stern the big boy with licenses and name recognition, JJP with high-end, higher priced games, Spooky with the edgy, boutique themes, Chicago Gaming with the remakes (primarily). Where does that leave AP?

I would love for them to grab onto space or science fiction themes. I know licenses sell but I don’t see any shortage of Led Zeppelin pinballs for people who want them - so that was a short flash in the pan.

Forbidden Planet would be cool, like retro sci-fi. I could see some comic stuff like Archer I know that has been done but it’s a great show not as hot a topic as it was prior. Naked gun or Airplane movies would be fun. Space Balls of course...Matrix...

It kind of leaves no definition of the company to what they do rather what titles they can secure. They could be the company that is the best value well built maybe a great lite show could be there thing of course the larger LCD screen on the backbox. What else defines the others - I just think stern is moving too far on too many titles nothing seems special or super well built so they should produce maybe 2-3 machines per year with a broad appeal.

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#255 9 months ago

I miss the creativity of themes from the 90’s. Funhouse, Roadshow, circus Voltaire, theater of magic, medieval madness, cactus canyon, etc... this is what I like about Houdini and Octoberfest. We don’t need another superhero or Netflix/HBO movie theme, Stern has the market saturated with this crap!

Thank you American Pinball for bringing some unique themes back to pinball.

#256 9 months ago
Quoted from alexanr1:

I miss the creativity of themes from the 90’s. Funhouse, Roadshow, circus Voltaire, theater of magic, medieval madness, cactus canyon, etc... this is what I like about Houdini and Octoberfest. We don’t need another superhero or Netflix/HBO movie theme, Stern has the market saturated with this crap!
Thank you American Pinball for bringing some unique themes back to pinball.

I agree...

#257 9 months ago

I'd love to see someone roll the dice on a Sci-Fi Book Series. Something like Brandon Sanderson's Mistborn Trilogy or Salvatore's Dark Elf Trilogy would make an incredible pin.

#258 9 months ago
Quoted from alexanr1:

I miss the creativity of themes from the 90’s. Funhouse, Roadshow, circus Voltaire, theater of magic, medieval madness, cactus canyon, etc... this is what I like about Houdini and Octoberfest. We don’t need another superhero or Netflix/HBO movie theme, Stern has the market saturated with this crap!
Thank you American Pinball for bringing some unique themes back to pinball.

I agree but unfortunately we are definitely in the minority in this market, I don't know if it's just because Arcades are largely gone and the market is nothing like it was in the 90s or if people's tastes and expectations have changed that much but original themes just don't sell. TNA could be considered a hit but in reality I doubt they sold a whole lot more of them than Houdini and that game gets repetitive quickly unless you have a large collection and / or are playing with / against others. Let's take a look at Legends of Valhalla which is rumored to be picked up and produced by AP, anyone who has played it praises just about everything about it but at the same time they'll say "they won't sell many of them" because of the theme. Nordic Gods is definitely something you could have seen Williams doing their take on in the 90s but today it's not a band, movie, comic book, etc. so few people want it.

#259 9 months ago

I think we’re all in agreement here. The original themes of the 80s and 90s Bally/Williams era were great and such better themes than the licenses of today. But original themes don’t sell anywhere near as well as licenses with name recognition. If AP could come up with a big selling original theme maybe that could be their corner of the market. They already have the quality build thing down. There must be properties out there that are public domain while still having mass market appeal/name recognition. What about Bermuda Triangle or a cool, modern take on Bigfoot?

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#260 9 months ago

Are we there yet ? Are we there yet ?

I wonder when we see the next game. Sometime in the next couple of months ? Summer ?

Anxious to see what #4 is. You guys at AP know there is a good chance I will be in !
Looking forward to seeing what you have up next. Bring it on.

#261 9 months ago
Quoted from NoQuarters:

You guys at AP know there is a good chance I will be in

Me too. I love AP quality and customer service. I’m hoping the next one is a theme I love.

#262 9 months ago

This thread isn't getting a lot of love / buzz but I too am very curious what they have lined up from the "new kid" designer. With new people in charge of art direction as well we may see a major, major shift from their first three, all of which I think are really great games. Houdini seems to finally be overcoming the initial "the shots are too tight" and "they didn't do a whitewood" bullshit and getting a little more of the love it deserves from newer owners. I have no idea how well Hot Wheels is doing sales-wise but that's a fun shooter for sure and I'd like to own an OKT some day too.

#263 9 months ago
Quoted from bobukcat:

This thread isn't getting a lot of love / buzz but I too am very curious what they have lined up from the "new kid" designer. With new people in charge of art direction as well we may see a major, major shift from their first three, all of which I think are really great games. Houdini seems to finally be overcoming the initial "the shots are too tight" and "they didn't do a whitewood" bullshit and getting a little more of the love it deserves from newer owners. I have no idea how well Hot Wheels is doing sales-wise but that's a fun shooter for sure and I'd like to own an OKT some day too.

I know! I own a Houdini. The more I play it the more I love it. I’m really hoping AP hits it big...at least big enough to stay around for a while. The hobby needs a company like them. I feel like Stern and JJP are just getting cheaper and cheaper with their build quality. We spend a lot of money on these games. Don’t build them with cheap materials. So far AP has been quality all the way.

#264 9 months ago

I’ve only played one game on Houdini so not familiar with the quality you all claim. I will now look forward to a theme that resounds with me and give AP a closer look next time. Recent Stern and JJP themes have been a disappointment.

#265 9 months ago
Quoted from guitarded:

I'd love to see someone roll the dice on a Sci-Fi Book Series. Something like Brandon Sanderson's Mistborn Trilogy or Salvatore's Dark Elf Trilogy would make an incredible pin.

DUNE!

** Not broad enough appeal sadly!

#266 9 months ago

I absolutely LOVE my HotWheels! So many great things about this game! So much fun to play and quality build and beautiful art work! Hands down best value out there!! I am very much looking forward to their next title!

#267 9 months ago
Quoted from wamonkey:

Forbidden Planet would be cool, like retro sci-fi.

That would be awesome! The sound track alone would be a trip. All those early analog sound effects are so unique! And that movie is well before my time! But hell yes on a cool retro sci-fi theme! That one is King IMO!!
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#268 9 months ago
Quoted from Budman:

I’ve only played one game on Houdini so not familiar with the quality you all claim. I will now look forward to a theme that resounds with me and give AP a closer look next time. Recent Stern and JJP themes have been a disappointment.

Gun's and Roses a disappointment?

Don't think so, i love my LE.

#269 9 months ago

I am waiting as well because I am limited in my new pinball budget and if Godzilla comes out I may have to see if my money goes there instead of towards the next AP machine. Love the Forbidden Planet pin picture btw.

#270 9 months ago
Quoted from punkin:

Gun's and Roses a disappointment?
Don't think so, i love my LE.

Quoted from punkin:

Gun's and Roses a disappointment?
Don't think so, i love my LE.

GNR and the last 3-4 Stern themes have not been to my liking. However, the gameplay looks fun on them all.

#271 9 months ago
Quoted from NoQuarters:

Are we there yet ? Are we there yet ?
I wonder when we see the next game. Sometime in the next couple of months ? Summer ?
Anxious to see what #4 is. You guys at AP know there is a good chance I will be in !
Looking forward to seeing what you have up next. Bring it on.

Are we there Yet ? Are we getting closer ? How much longer until we get there ?

#272 9 months ago
Quoted from Budman:

GNR and the last 3-4 Stern themes have not been to my liking. However, the gameplay looks fun on them all.

Definitely not my theme either. I don't like the band.

Love the pinball though.

#273 9 months ago
Quoted from Mr_Outlane:

That would be awesome! The sound track alone would be a trip. All those early analog sound effects are so unique! And that movie is well before my time! But hell yes on a cool retro sci-fi theme! That one is King IMO!!
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May I upvote this again? I really think a modern designed pin with some of the cool 50’s wood rail space art and a theme like Forbidden Planet, Day the Earth Stood Still, Flash Gordon etc. would be a hit; at least with me.

#274 9 months ago
Quoted from Budman:

May I upvote this again? I really think a modern designed pin with some of the cool 50’s wood rail space art and a theme like Forbidden Planet, Day the Earth Stood Still, Flash Gordon etc. would be a hit; at least with me.

Klaatu barada nikto!

#275 9 months ago

Dr.Dude 2.

#276 8 months ago
Quoted from alexanr1:

I miss the creativity of themes from the 90’s. Funhouse, Roadshow, circus Voltaire, theater of magic, medieval madness, cactus canyon, etc... this is what I like about Houdini and Octoberfest. We don’t need another superhero or Netflix/HBO movie theme, Stern has the market saturated with this crap!
Thank you American Pinball for bringing some unique themes back to pinball.

The idea of Dennis Nordman, who never needed a licensed property to make a good game out of it, and Zofia Ryan on the mechanics working together has me rather excited for what's coming out of AP soon.

Dr. Dude builds a time machine and travels from 1990 to make the current day totally rad like it used to be. This has potential.

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#277 8 months ago

I still love the idea of Sherlock Holmes, and perhaps an updated concept (that works better, one hopes) in the WhoDunnit vein. I'm also big into "dark" pins, horror themed ones, or where you have a "bad guy" to beat (e.g. Hobbit)

#278 8 months ago

I'm into the idea of whatever they release next. Let's go !

#279 8 months ago

Hard to believe it's been nearly a year now since Hot Wheels. Hopefully Dave Fix throws down a new path for American Pinball and crew.

#280 8 months ago
Quoted from jfre81:

The idea of Dennis Nordman, who never needed a licensed property to make a good game out of it, and Zofia Ryan on the mechanics working together has me rather excited for what's coming out of AP soon.

Dr. Dude builds a time machine and travels from 1990 to make the current day totally rad like it used to be. This has potential.

I was thinking the same thing. Makes sense to have these talents who are used to non-license. Now if only they could get Barry Oursler to join and make "Space X"!
Sell like hot cakes.

#281 8 months ago
Quoted from Viggin900:

I was thinking the same thing. Makes sense to have these talents who are used to non-license. Now if only they could get Barry Oursler to join and make "Space X"!
Sell like hot cakes.

If I'm not mistaken, any WMS-era patents on playfield toys/features that came out of Oursler/Bil-Ryan collaborations in the 90s are expired now. That only further helps. After nearly 30 years, that floating Mist ball in BSD still looks cool.

AP paid that a bit of tribute already with the Crash multiball magnet at the top of the orbit on HW.

#282 8 months ago

I have met Dennis Nordman on a number of occasions and I am really excited about his potential design of an AP title. He could not be a more gracious person and one of the best designers in the history of pinball. I would think pairing up with Roger Sharpe with a knockout license would really propel American Pinball in the right direction.
It is the perfect time coupled with AP's good price point, between a Stern Pro and Premium, yet loaded with features to be a real player in the pinball market.
I am very excited to see what is next for them, hopefully it will be revealed soon.

#283 8 months ago

From the mid week TPN podcast the new ap title should be close.

#284 8 months ago

I really hope they continue the swapping out toys to change the game up and customize it. HW I think was the first ever? I can see action figures etc if they did another license.

#285 8 months ago
Quoted from northvibe:

From the mid week TPN podcast the new ap title should be close.

Hope so. That would be good news !

#286 8 months ago

Following .....
Looking forward to see what it will be.

#287 8 months ago

A little late to this thread but after after owning Houdini and Oktoberfest I am giddy that Dennis Nordman is at the helm of pinball design. The zany themes and the wild ramps of Nordman teamed with the perfect balance of American Pinball (B/W parts, full RBG inserts/GI, fantastic cabinet build, perfect price point for the features) they can make one hell of a machine. I am very much looking forward to seeing what they come up with. The only thing they need is a solid theme and I think that AP could knock it out of the park. If they could snipe something like Beetlejuice or Futurama holy crap, the game would sell itself.

#288 8 months ago

I don’t really have much basis for saying this because I’m no insider, but I keep thinking the next AP game will be either Sherlock Holmes or Legends of Valhalla, which I heard is a deal AP made with Riot Pinball. Anyone have any other thoughts on that?

#289 8 months ago
Quoted from Swainer80:

A little late to this thread but after after owning Houdini and Oktoberfest I am giddy that Dennis Nordman is at the helm of pinball design. The zany themes and the wild ramps of Nordman teamed with the perfect balance of American Pinball (B/W parts, full RBG inserts/GI, fantastic cabinet build, perfect price point for the features) they can make one hell of a machine. I am very much looking forward to seeing what they come up with. The only thing they need is a solid theme and I think that AP could knock it out of the park. If they could snipe something like Beetlejuice or Futurama holy crap, the game would sell itself.

Beetlejuice probably isn't going to be a tall order as far as buying licenses goes, and as licenses go that in particular seems right up Mr. Nordman's alley.

One thing about Nordman games is they always nail the concept of theme integration, whether it's licensed or not. And some of the best examples are non-licensed, or are technically licenses but are more abstract in nature (like Elvira or the Indianapolis 500) than a movie or superhero franchise with a storyline.
Elvira's House of Horrors may be one of the best of all in this area.

#290 8 months ago
Quoted from jfre81:

Beetlejuice probably isn't going to be a tall order as far as buying licenses goes, and as licenses go that in particular seems right up Mr. Nordman's alley.
One thing about Nordman games is they always nail the concept of theme integration, whether it's licensed or not. And some of the best examples are non-licensed, or are technically licenses but are more abstract in nature (like Elvira or the Indianapolis 500) than a movie or superhero franchise with a storyline.
Elvira's House of Horrors may be one of the best of all in this area.

How was I500, and its integration, "abstract in nature"? I mean, first: they have the giant loop around the outside of the playfield, a la The Indianapolis 500. Second, everything about the game is *FAST*. Third, you've got the actual I500 TV announcers doing the play-by-play.

I don't get that part of your statement *at all*.

#291 8 months ago
Quoted from boagman:

How was I500, and its integration, "abstract in nature"? I mean, first: they have the giant loop around the outside of the playfield, a la The Indianapolis 500. Second, everything about the game is *FAST*. Third, you've got the actual I500 TV announcers doing the play-by-play.
I don't get that part of your statement *at all*.

There isn't a storyline made by someone else that you're trying to tie into a pinball game. It's a little more freeform and less restricting in how a game can be designed. Nordman has talked about this in interviews.

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#292 8 months ago

Whatever their next title is I am excited to see it. I like how these guys are just quietly making games. No nonsense, just getting it done and putting out great games. If they decide to keep going I can't see any reason why they wouldn't be around for a long time.

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#293 8 months ago

As I have said before.....
Great job on support , that is where others fail .
Regardless of hype and top 100 stuff , AP always responds within 24 hours, publicly on the forum , and I'm sure more so personally.

Cheers !

#294 8 months ago

I love me some Dr. Dude but a modern update involving what is considered cool now would have to be a parody pin. Instead of "cool dude/super dude" etc. It would have to be "live with your parents until you are 30/buy a composting toilet/be offended by something that doesn't involve you" etc.

#295 8 months ago
Quoted from Charlemagne1987:

I don’t really have much basis for saying this because I’m no insider, but I keep thinking the next AP game will be either Sherlock Holmes or Legends of Valhalla, which I heard is a deal AP made with Riot Pinball. Anyone have any other thoughts on that?

i have no insght, but I have been following the Legends of Valhalla and heard the same rumour. I think the two would be a great match and would fit nicely into AP.

#296 8 months ago
Quoted from Pyromedic:

i have no insght, but I have been following the Legends of Valhalla and heard the same rumour. I think the two would be a great match and would fit nicely into AP.

Will this be a branded AP game or a contract job?

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#297 8 months ago

American Pinball has a plan on the next few titles. Game 4 is by one of the “junior designers”, game 5 is by Dennis nordman, game 6 is a Joe Balcer game. They also said the goal is 2 new titles in 2021. I’m rooting for AP - they make great quality games.

#298 8 months ago
Quoted from Coz:

American Pinball has a plan on the next few titles. Game 4 is by one of the “junior designers”, game 5 is by Dennis nordman, game 6 is a Joe Balcer game. They also said the goal is 2 new titles in 2021. I’m rooting for AP - they make great quality games.

i heard joe balcer is no longer with ap.

#299 8 months ago

I played Legends of Valhalla yesterday for the first time including zepplin,GnR,rick and morty. It beat all those games, it just needs a pop bumper someplace to go with the theme. My only complaint on the game that would hold me back from buying one.

#300 8 months ago
Quoted from Coz:

American Pinball has a plan on the next few titles. Game 4 is by one of the “junior designers”, game 5 is by Dennis nordman, game 6 is a Joe Balcer game. They also said the goal is 2 new titles in 2021. I’m rooting for AP - they make great quality games.

How long has a 'junior designer' been there? I recall they hired some/one not long ago, Nordman just recently joined. So wouldn't the next pin still be a Bacler design?

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