Is TZ confirmed?
I totally get your point, it must be super intimidating following up Scooby Doo, Foo Fighters, and now Goodfellas. At the same time 1) AP machines tend to be more reasonably priced and 2) the pinball market is hungry enough for variety that they can still be successful at their production tier (huge assumptions there on my part, but I'm cheering for them)

Yeah AP really needed to get in front of some of these announcements with some real pictures or videos of the game. To me AP is #1 for both quality and value for the buck. For my money I'm still down for a GTF. FF looks cool, but the theme doesn't do it for me and not sold on the longevity of the layout. Scooby is interesting, but not enough to get my money. Godfather as much as I like the movie is a hard pass. BUT, the possibility of a brand new TZ is giving me pause. So right now I'm AP and/or CGC or nothing on this round.

Agreed, the hour is getting late...

With Starship Fantasy saying he knew about the ramp order last year, that's as good as confirmed for me. The man does ramps for a living. He would know.

I'm all for a Nordman pin and am down for a GTFo already. I'm just concerned that by the time they feel some immediacy in the halls of AP to show this, a LOT of pinball money will already be tied up in any of a number of great pins we already have seen.

I think it would be a mistake to wait to launch at TPF. Machines are never their best in a loud, packed hall. Can’t hear the sound, voltage drop/mushy flippers, poor lighting, line of people behind you…. Hard to recover a flawed first impression, especially with all the competition. Get out in front with professional marketing and video of some top players making the game shine - like everyone else is doing. If they put out a Nordman/Franchi/Ferret/Josh packed world-under-glass at their current price point they will sell plenty of games. Guessing there are lots of “old guys with $$” that would much rather have an original retro, sci-fi pin then a Sat. morning cartoon, some band they don’t really know, or old mafia drama.

Carey Hardy on his live stream today was talking about GTF. He said it was going to be shown prior to TPF but other than that he couldn’t say much. My guess based on that is we will see a trailer Friday or Saturday. Then we will see a little more the following week. Then the next week is TPF where they will have it on site. That’s just my guess. I wish I could have gone this year. So many new releases I wanted to try FF, Godfather, Scooby Doo and GTFo

The reason for the 4 month delay was because they had to figure out all the complicated engineering. No one has ever made a pinball machine look like a tank before when its ready to be transported!

Where's the PINBAR?

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I agree ! I always love license free themes that make you imagine the story bebind.
Houdini, Black Knight Sor, or even Heist /the new p3 final resistance, TNA... All really special games.
I like them a lot...
In germany the new godfather CE ist listet with 18000 euro... Valhalla Limited was listed with around 10000,l.
It's nearly half of the price. I would never buy a game thats around 20k.
So why not considering something different, probably less licensed, way cheaper, less fancy in animation.
But still a good pinball game, affordable and fun to shoot.

I think there is a market for people that like playing pinball and haven't the money to buy everything blind for a pricepoint thats totally crazy. Videos give a good impression pretty sure we will get one soon .

I hope they don't drag it out too much. The previous two "trailers" have had zero useful information. If they do another low content video and then make us wait an entire week for "a little more" I think people are going to get even more frustrated. I think it would be good to put out a quality playfield pic as soon as possible and aim to get some gameplay video when they can.

Originally I was excited for the Scooby theme but the gameplay videos I've seen have totally deflated my interest, I see a lot of very slow batting the ball around that upper playfield which doesn't grab me. Of course I still want to try all the new releases in person, but odds of buying any of them so far are low. Godfather is too expensive. Foo Fighters isn't my era, I'm lucky if I can name one song of theirs. I've been on hold waiting to see Galactic Tank Force and I really hope it's awesome.

Remember when they had SDTM do a promo video for Hot Wheels and then made them take it down so the Deadflip stream would be the first to show it, that was a mess.

I don't get why people ask things like is such and such heavily rumored pin "confirmed". No. Have you seen any official press releases, announcements, articles, ect about it? No? Then its not CoNfIrMeD. Lets not forget foo fighters, TGF, and even GTF were all just officially confirmed like a week ago. We all knew they were coming though. Pulp Fiction is still not confirmed, but watch...you're gonna see it soon.

All eyes on AP. I can't wait to see this Nordman layout.

Hopefully GTF is shown off Friday or Saturday. Hopefully they can start shipping by April. I know AP was talking about having another release later this year. If thats true we would have 2 Stern, 2 AP, and hopefully 2 JJP and 2 Spooky. It will be a fun year. Just would like to see more GTF to know if I should spend my money on FF or GTF. If GTF is like any former pin its like Hotwheels. That game is fast, fun and has great colors and animations. I can not wait to see how Tanks in Space look

And if those aren't enough new games for you the teaser for Pulp Fiction from Play Mechanix and CGC, designed by Mark Ritchie just dropped.

Where? I wanna see

And 2 from Multimorphic. Final Resistance was just released.

So AP had this ready to reveal in the Fall, and waited and are now going to be 5th out of 5 to reveal??

Ugh, I love their pins, but they desperately need new Sales and Marketing talent, this is embarrassing

In the five years since i bought my first pinball machine and had my friends and their friends over playing pinball on Sundays and other times, 5 different families i know have bought their first pinball machine and some are on their second and third machines and starting their own collection.

Despite what y'all say, from my experience the market is growing, not limited by existing owners space.

Give some thought to whether this is true in your case. If not, think about inviting more people to share your love of pinball.

I think you would want to build the hype before TPF. Not just release it there. Im sure lots of people will be there wanting to get a new pin. If Stern and JJP are already a few weeks ahead of AP they have had more time to build hype. AP releasing at TPF will not give a great amount of time for the consumer to make a great decision on whos machine is best for their collection. We all wish we could have them all but for most of us space and $$$ are a big factor.

The assumption is that since they didn't show it at Expo (and even cancelled the sneak peek at the PBL open house) it was not ready, let's all hope it is now!

Agreed!! I want to see this bad boy

They did. And then he became President… LOL!

Yeah, well...He needs some muscle to get this shit on track.

That sound you hear is all the hand wringing going on by people who were thinking about buying Godfather now thinking about canceling and ordering Pulp Fiction. I love both movies, but Pulp Fiction is definitely a WAY better suited adult/gangster theme for pinball, not to mention Mark Ritchie is the designer!!

I'm still down for GTF if it looks as good as I think it will, but now it seems Pulp Fiction is coming instead of TZ from CGC? If that is the case I might need to get both and it is time to sell a game or two to make room!! God forbid both PF and TZ come out from CGC this year!

So sell a game to buy another you say?

Doesn't that fix the limited space and limited fund scenario?

And it still gets a near new game out in the public to grow the hobby for those coming through.

Perhaps these idiot marketers have at least figured out that much?

Hey look!

John has found a solution for you!

Haha these are surely what are known as first world problems. My near new games are actually better than new. They come with knocker, shaker, quiet fans, plastic protectors, Cliffy's etc already installed.

Fortunately I'm already passing on FF, SD and Godfather, so my choices are a little easier. Also, I expect to have a decent idea of what I am getting rather than putting money on a game sight unseen.

You have it figured out.

You really think the glacial pace is due to the sales and marketing team?

I mean, they are sitting on a finished version of this game...Get the damn thing out there for the masses to see and sell some freakin' reserve spots...Yes

Then they are the worst bastards in the world because the code isn't finished or the mechs aren't tuned.

The only thing I can think of now is what is happening on why there is a delay. Almost every other pinball company has a new game in the pipeline ready to ship. AP didnt expect 4/5 new games to drop so fast. Now the market is too crazy with new pins. Now this is my opinion they are afraid it will hurt their sales because now people have 4/5 other companies to give their money. The market is flooded. It will cut into sales of AP because there are so many options. What they should of done if was really ready for the masses. Was drop their trailer where you see the actual machine right before Foo Fighters. That way they are at the front of the pack. Now they are at the end and have to try and play catch up. I think the art/game play has to be great for them to stay alive now and not make this a lost opportunity

I don't know crap, but I doubt that.

1)Stern - Foo Fighters

2) JJP - Godfather

3) Spooky - Scooby-Doo

4) Multimorphic P3 - Final Resistance

and now

5) Chicago Gaming Company - Pulp Fiction

American is now behind the curve. If the game really was ready to go. I have no idea why hold off on releasing it

He's not doubting there's five games...

He's doubting your statement that they didn't expect other pinball companies to continue making new product.

ohhh lol. Im runnin on like 4 hours of sleep. After for being up for 14 hours already lol

Damn, i've seen 25 new posts and bet there was a new trailer...
But then...
Still people crying and waiting for their icecream.

Mehhh...

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I would eat a whole jar of Vegemite and try not to throw up all over the place if it ment they would show a actual trailer showing the game

They better hurry up because my ice cream is melting

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Living in Phoenix the ice cream has melted once you have taken it out from the freezer. lol

It takes a few years to eat a jar of vegemite.

Relax, go and choose a game from the great library of games that have already been released. There's hundreds and hundreds of titles you've never played before.

Why would you want just see a trailer advertising the game? I despise ad's myself, it's one of the main reasons i don't watch television.

Wouldn't you rather see a game play video?

Sit back and wait like an adult and it will surface when the company deems it the right time to release it. Have faith they know what they are doing.

In the mean time, carry on sir.

AP does seem to be a little slow with this release. Perhaps restructuring theme?

GCF! Galactic Cricket Force

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Yea thats what I mean. Where it actually shows the game and some play footage of shots and what I could expect. Idk how Australians eat that stuff. I had to try some when I visited. I couldnt even eat the entire little plastic container of that Vegemite that they pass out for breakfast. I dont know how its loved. Now Tim Tams on the other hand are nicer treat. I am an American we are a very impulsive people lol

You guys don't look impulsive.

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Don't worry about vegemite, have you ever eaten a rollmop?

That takes a special girl.

Until further notice, there's one guy at AP who calls the shots.