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The Mystery of the WPC Switch Matrix schematic

By dhalem

9 years ago


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#1 9 years ago

I've been working on interfacing an Arduino with the switch matrix on WPC games and have been studying various diagrams and schematics. What's interesting is that there seems to have been a persistent error on the diagrams in the manual. Let's look at the manual for Getaway:
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What we're interested in is the line connecting from +5V between D and E on the manual. It shows a pull-up resistor connected to that line, but why is the 5v running there directly as well? It doesn't make sense. TAF has the same picture:
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And in the TZ manual, they redrew the picture, but the line remains:
tz manual.pngtz manual.png

For WPC-95 games, the line is gone:
mb manual.pngmb manual.png

I've seen various other sites and drawing that copy this line. Why is it in the picture? It doesn't make sense. So then I looked that the full board schematic for Getaway:
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In the drawing, the lines cross, but there's no junction point. My best guess is that whoever transcribed this to the manual screwed it up. But why did no one notice and why wasn't it corrected?

I tested an actual TZ board with a DMM and sure enough, that line isn't there.

Has anyone else wondered about this before?

#2 9 years ago

All anyone is going to want to know is what you're doing with the arduino & switch matrix. Not at all about the printing error in the manual.

#3 9 years ago

What are you doing with the arduino & switch matrix?

#4 9 years ago
Quoted from Fifty:

What are you doing with the arduino & switch matrix?

Mostly playing right now. I want to use it to trigger my own lights and accessories, like chase lamps.

#5 9 years ago

The line looks like a graphics department error. They copied the circuit from the larger board schematic but did not know enough about the electronics involved to erase the line. Once the error was there, nobody reviewed the diagram closely enough to catch it. Or it could just be sloppy documentation work by the engineer. We all know how much engineers hate documentation.

Interesting find.

#6 9 years ago

Use the one on PinWiki - it is better...

http://www.pinwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=File:ImprovedSwitchMatrixDiagram.jpg

... it doesn't have the error plus the color tie-ins to their board layout diagram and the numbering in the layout diagram add a lot of intuition that just doesn't jump off a black/white page. Thanks to whoever created the Pinwiki versions!

-Rob
-visit http://www.kahr.us to to get my daughterboard that helps fix WPC pinball resets

#7 9 years ago
Quoted from rkahr:

... it doesn't have the error plus the color tie-ins to their board layout diagram and the numbering in the layout diagram add a lot of intuition that just doesn't jump off a black/white page. Thanks to whoever created the Pinwiki versions!

Thanks for your kind words Rob, and of course Chris H. for publishing it on PinWiki

9 months later
#8 8 years ago

Other (correct) version with the looks of the one in the manual can be found here:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/terrybs-guide-to-logic-probes#post-2514877

#9 8 years ago

They are just block diagrams and not schematics so don't expect them to be "circuit correct".

It's the numerous errors in the actual schematics you have to watch for, and there are plenty of them!

#10 8 years ago
Quoted from Homepin:

They are just block diagrams and not schematics so don't expect them to be "circuit correct".

True, but in a manual with an explanation of the 'High' and 'Low' state of point 'A' to 'E' , it is somewhat sloppy that 'D' is always 'High'

#11 8 years ago
Quoted from Homepin:

They are just block diagrams and not schematics so don't expect them to be "circuit correct".
It's the numerous errors in the actual schematics you have to watch for, and there are plenty of them!

Are these documented anywhere? It would be nice if they were!

#12 8 years ago

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#13 8 years ago

LMAO! C'mon! It's not *that* bad!

#14 8 years ago

no, it's not that bad. Just be aware that schematics aren't correct all the time.

#15 8 years ago
Quoted from zaza:

no, it's not that bad. Just be aware that schematics aren't correct all the time.

Yes, there are always mistakes. That's why it would be nice if the mistakes were documented somewhere. That way if you happen to be working on a circuit where something doesn't make sense you could refer to the "errata" documentation.

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