Quoted from pinballizfun:

gas stations are not parking lots. Parking lots are not fuel stations. If you put a fuel station in a parking lot, people will park there. If you put a fuel station in a street parking location, people will park there. If some ICE person parks in a EV charging station, that is an issue. If an ICE person parks in the grocery store lot that happens to have a charger in it too bad, that's a parking lot. If an EV parks at a gas station pump, that's a problem, if an EV parks in a parking lot, its not.

Quoted from pinballizfun:

Sure costco has them all over, same with sams and other stores, they are in separate areas from the parking lot. Put the fuel spot in general parking and you'll have people park there. Are you capable of understanding the concepts of parking lots and fuel stations? Or do you also get confused as to why you drive on a parkway and park on a driveway?

Quoted from pinballizfun:

you can't randomly ticket people for parking in a parking space, until there is legislation passed that actually prohibits parking there.

Quoted from mrm_4:

Well it probably also varies from tow truck company to tow truck company, imagine being the tower getting the call and theres no law or signs. That guy isnt gonna want to deal with that crap. He'd probably say, "Just ask them to move..."

Quoted from pinballizfun:

Cleanly, but not losslessly.

Quoted from Tuna_Delight:

In today's paper (just posting FWIW):
"E.V.s Start With a Bigger Carbon Footprint. But That Doesn’t Last.
The manufacturing and disposal of electric vehicles result in more greenhouse gases than nonelectric models, but that difference will eventually disappear altogether."
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/19/business/electric-vehicles-carbon-footprint-batteries.html

Quoted from zaphX:

In many parts of America (Texas for example) the math doesn't work.
It's far cheaper to pay your electric bill for the rest of your life than to do solar.

Quoted from tripplett:

You can easily get by with half that unless you are powering something else in the garage too. Most EV wall connectors max out at 30-40 amps anyway. Plus 40A gets you 9.6kW. That will charge most EVs, including Teslas, in 4-8 hrs max. Or just run 50A and put in a NEMA 14-50. Then you can run welders, RVs, EVs, etc.

Quoted from BMore-Pinball:

check out Generac's PWRCell

Quoted from MrBally:

If you have natural gas at your home, why not get a backup generator connected to that?
I've yet to have power blink since I moved to Vegas and we have high (30-50 mph) winds for 12-20 hours at a time at least once a month. I brought a gasoline powered unit that supplies 50 amps @240 volts so I can run most of the house if needed. Only one A/C unit though.

Quoted from vid1900:

Take your old 100a panel, and install it in your garage.
Just because today's EV only need a certain amperage, that does not mean there won't be faster charging vehicles in the future.
Think of your phone.
A 15w charger was huge a few years ago, but now all the good phones are 160w and charge to 100% in 15 minutes

Quoted from zaphX:

It literally is. The app I'm recording the data with was written by me.

Quoted from pinballizfun:

*Unless you want to go out at night.
*Or after going out at night.
*Or any time you don't have 8+ hours between trips.

Quoted from vid1900:

When the company with the largest market share in homeowner lawnmowers says there's no market left, it pretty much means there is no market left.

Quoted from zaphX:

The weather and natural beauty is worth the price of admission, IMO.

Quoted from pinballizfun:

when I need more torque, absolutely. Way better for mixing thin-set and grout.

Quoted from NicoVolta:

Water is wet.

Quoted from Brainiac:

My elderly mother needs to drive from South GA to north GA (approximately 300 miles). What EV can she buy under 40 grand to make the trip without having to stop somewhere she is unfamiliar with?

Quoted from Brainiac:

I need to drive from Atlanta, GA to Chicago with family of 6, and I can't stop somewhere for an hour a time as I need to make it in 12 hours. What EV can I get?

Quoted from pinballizfun:

it is unlimited

Quoted from zaphX:

Color, GTS trim, leather interior, and the biggest change: AWD instead of RWD. MUCH faster. 0-60 from 5.2 -> 3.5.

Quoted from vid1900:

https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/z5yrpi/elon_musk_elonmusk_tesla_team_just_completed_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
Tesla team just completed a 500 mile drive with a Tesla Semi weighing in at 81,000 lbs

Quoted from tripplett:

It really doesn't matter if you have 2,100 miles when you can only drive 650-900 miles in one shift.

Quoted from vid1900:

Tandem drivers are always LBGTQ
The most well known secret of the trucking industry....[quoted image]

Quoted from BMore-Pinball:

Are all gay jokes now inappropriate and cause for violent retaliation or is your neighbor just a huge homophobe and so sensitive to the point if someone jokes that he may be gay he has to resort to violence - Because to me it seems an odd reason for violence

Quoted from mattosborn:

I generally agree with the lower maintenance cost (time and money) with an EV. However... my EV has been sitting at the dealership (had to have it towed there) for over 2 months now waiting for a new battery control module that they can't seem to get.

Quoted from Brainiac:

I've thought about a water heater. But what happens to the hot water when the power goes out?

Quoted from zaphX:

The more people buy EVs, the more contention we have for DC chargers (and the more frequently they break.)
My experience has changed markedly over the past 1.5 years of EV ownership. At first the chargers were deserted, and worked flawlessly. Increasingly there are broken chargers, underperforming chargers, and in some cases a line waiting to use them.
I have only used a DC charger once so far on my new Taycan GTS, just to make sure the DC charging functioned correctly on the car. All my charging has been at home, primarily because I haven't gone on any road trips with it yet.
On the previous car I was really interested in pushing the road trips, trying out all the different chargers, and make sure it could do everything my prior gas cars could do. This time I'm just using the car fairly normally.

Quoted from jakethesnake181:

I dont see any electric vehicles pulling cars and trucks out of the snow in Baltimore or anywhere for that matter, what a joke , electric isnt the answer

Quoted from Mr_Tantrum:

While it doesn't plugin, the E-Ray is the quickest Corvette ever with 0-60 at 2.5 seconds and the quarter mile in 10.5 seconds. Still has V8 powertrain that drives the rears while electric motors drive the fronts for all wheel drive traction.[quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image]

Quoted from Jaybird815:

The average new EV is $65k, that is not affordable to the average American

Quoted from flynnibus:

With probably 50m range left
Old leafs - bad

Quoted from poppapin:

Makes all the sense in the world. Not everyone can afford a brand new ICE car, so used ICE is the way to go until EV's become cheap and plentiful.
I'm retired and on a fixed income, think I can afford a 50K car? Lots of people in the same boat.

Quoted from tripplett:

2 EVs take spots in the Top 10 best selling cars in the World for 2022.
Toyota Corolla: 1.12 million (down 2% vs last year)
Toyota RAV4: 870,000 (down 14% versus last year)
Ford F-Series: 787,000 (down 9% versus last year)
Tesla Model Y: 759,000 (up 88% versus last year)
Toyota Camry: 675,000 (down 3% versus last year)
Honda CR-V: 601,000 (down 18% versus last year)
Tesla Model 3: 596,000 (up 4% versus last year)
If the list was sorted by revenue Model Y takes top spot since it averaged a sale price of $55k. Every other car in the top 10 declines.
"But but but people can't afford high priced EVs..."
note: the average price of a new car in November 2022 was almost $49k.

Quoted from girloveswaffles:

https://ktla.com/news/tesla-spontaneously-catches-fire-on-california-highway/

Quoted from girloveswaffles:

Because it's something that has happened to several Teslas.

Quoted from girloveswaffles:

Do you know how many MORE Ice cars there are than Teslas? Plus 6000 gallons of water to put the Tesla Fire out?
How about ANOTHER Model S fire:
https://www.newser.com/story/322057/tesla-spontaneously-caught-fire-kept-igniting.html#:~:text=A%20Tesla%20Model%20S%20had%20been%20sitting%20in,melted%20and%20burned%20metal%2C%22%20per%20the%20Washington%20Post.
How about the investigations?
Note that this is about Model S and X.

Quoted from razorsedge:

It might be the Trans thing??
I mean, the way EV don't tend to have a Trans . . .

Quoted from PanzerKraken:

Did you remember to get gas?

Quoted from poppapin:

Wait what, I thought they were almost maint. free.

Quoted from flynnibus:

But what he did not quote... was the concerns over keeping the vehicle in service. Police cars get beat to shit. This is why Police Departments all over fought so hard when Ford killed the last body on frame crown vics. They are constantly being damaged and repaired - so keeping them 'duty ready' is a BIG deal. That is actually Telsa's WORST aspect these days... getting service and parts in a timely fashion. I think mr police chief is in for a reality check on that one.

Quoted from BMore-Pinball:

What if some of use just like electric cars for all the benefits exclusive of anything environmental?

Quoted from Fytr:

Here you go, scientific evidence that Ford F150 Lightning buyers are more "truck" than their poseur ICE driving counterparts!

Src: https://www.teslarati.com/ford-f-150-lightning-new-niche-consumers/

Quoted from tripplett:

KBB says the average price of new cars sold in the US last year was $49k. The Ford F-150 starting price is $56k. You’ll get a $7,500 tax rebate as long as your tax burden is that. So your F-150 ends up costing you $500 less than the national average new car. That’s before fuel and maintenance savings. So just an average person, not a wealthy one.
Plus the F-150 Pro trim, the starting price one, comes very nicely equipped surprisingly.

Quoted from altan:

Most people prefer the Premium anyway.

Quoted from Pinplayer1967:

No shit. People who love taxes are either on the government dole or are just stupid.

Quoted from Ribs:

Because pedestrians obviously have the right of way in a parking lot.....it's no wonder why there's so many pedestrian deaths in this country based on your attitude.
https://www.ghsa.org/resources/news-releases/GHSA/Ped-Spotlight-Full-Report22

Quoted from Ribs:

Why do you only have words for distracted pedestrians who have the right of way and none for distracted and reckless drivers running people over at all time record levels? Where are your words for the lack of sidewalks and safe pedestrian infrastructure? Words for dangerous blind zones for trucks/SUVS that are ever increasing in size? Your risk analysis is shit and not supported by data.
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It's the kid's fault if anything happens! The 2nd leading cause of death for children can be simply solved with the child having a greater sense of personal responsibility. Genuis!

Quoted from Pinplayer1967:

It’s not that government CAN be wasteful. Government is wasteful and corrupt.

Quoted from BMore-Pinball:

good analogy, and I agree - can't see any of the current crop adopting the tesla connector.
at least Tesla is converting it's charges over to both options

Quoted from titanpenguin:

I’m calling BS on those car fire numbers. Let’s just assume that there are only 10 million ICE vehicles currently operating in the country to make this simple. That would mean that there are over 1.5 million car fires annually just for ICE. That would be over 4200 fires a day. Not seeing that.
Doh, missed a zero
153000 annually

Quoted from titanpenguin:

I can’t help you see the forest for the trees.

Quoted from Mr_Tantrum:

Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. How many more systems/parts does this add to the car? What does it do to the tires over time? What is the possibility of failure and/or engagement while driving, etc.?
I've been driving for nearly 40 years, and I've had the need to fit into a tight parallel spot that I couldn't park in normally maybe 5 times in my life, and that is driving in cities. Sure, if every car in America had this capability, then it might change how the parking spaces were laid out or painted, but that is not going to happen any time soon.

Quoted from michiganpinball:

My personal experience with EV has been good. Recently crossed 100K miles on 2019 model 3 performance. It hasn't been perfect but only expense has been tires and windshield washer fluid. Range is down about 6% from new. Costs $3 in electricity to go 100 miles (charging at home at night). Probably won't buy another IC vehicle.
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Quoted from tripplett:

Break even for purchase price? If you are comparing a model 3 performance and a similarly equipped ice vehicle then the price is about the same. A 2023 Corvette is about $62k. Model 3 P is $53k. Or am I misunderstanding the question? If you're trying to compare a 500hp gas 0-6 sub 3.5 second car you'll be paying around $60k (or more).

Except where is the $38k coming from? Is that the ICE car equivalent? A low cost EV? For comparison the average new 2023 car price is now $50k.
And I'd use closer to $4 per gallon. We're at $3.50 avg nationally and projections are for prices to go up. Extrapolate that out over those 9 years so definitely use higher prices. Maybe even use $4.50... Your $450 per yr for an EV is about right though.
And if you are going to include time saved for routine engine maintenance then you also have to include time waiting for fuel. We've had this discussion on here a few months ago... lets say 2 mins to fill up with gas plus a minute fiddling with the pump and cards, etc. Fill up once a week and that equates to 156 minutes a year.
I fast charge my EV a couple times a year and the avg wait time over 5 years has been 14 minutes. So to charge my EV on long road trips is lets say 4 per yr x 14 mins = 56 minutes vs 156 minutes to fuel gas a yr. Over those same 9 years that's 900 more minutes waiting on gas. That's 15 hrs more - just fueling.
I did cost analysis when I bought my Model 3 AWD. What I discovered was by the time I get to 100k miles driven it will have cost me the same as a $23k gas car. Basically a Honda Civic in the lowest trim they offer. This does however include the $7,500 tax break I got in 2018 (now offered again today).

Quoted from tripplett:

But they are already today. I put that in my post but perhaps you missed it. The average price of a new car in the US is now $49,500. There are like a dozen EVs at that price or less. That doesn't even include the $7,500 tax rebate.

Quoted from xsvtoys:

Is pinside a reliable source of information about EVs ?

Quoted from xsvtoys:

Are pinsiders smarter than average?
It is not accurate to make a blanket statement about the intelligence of a particular group of people based solely on their interest in a hobby. Intelligence is a complex and multifaceted trait that cannot be fully captured by any single measure or indicator.
Furthermore, "Pinsiders" is a term used to describe individuals who are interested in pinball, and while there may be some common characteristics shared among members of this group, such as a passion for the game and its history, it is unlikely that this interest alone is a reliable indicator of their intelligence.
In conclusion, it is not appropriate to make broad generalizations about the intelligence of "Pinsiders" or any other group based solely on their interests or hobbies. Intelligence is a complex and multifaceted trait that is difficult to measure and cannot be fully captured by any single measure or indicator.

Quoted from titanpenguin:

VHS is dead. Is that what we are celebrating here?

Quoted from titanpenguin:

Are you embracing obsolete non green tech?

Quoted from Mr_Tantrum:

Had a friend that bought a F150 the first year they went to aluminum panels. Wasn't long before he was in an accident and regretted his decision. I'm sure it is getting better, but I know there are still limited shops that do aluminum work. I unfortunately had a vehicle totaled recently (not my fault - my truck was rear ended causing frame damage), and while I was at a national collision repair chain with probably 20+ locations here in DFW, I heard the receptionist tell a caller that only one of their locations in Fort Worth did aluminum repairs.

Quoted from Mr_Tantrum:

Since when is 1 in 4 commonplace when 4 in 4 are trained to do steel/plastic work (my assumption)? I fully understand your dealership's advancement in this area, but I'm sure your owners have to balance certifications/training with demand while at the same time never wanting to turn a customer (i.e. revenue) away. Also, the key is you worked for a Ford dealer, not an independent. I'm sure Ford required in their dealership agreement for a portion of your techs to be certified.
BTW, the point is not that you can't get aluminum panels repaired, but that currently there aren't as many places to get it done, it will probably take longer, and it will certainly be more expensive to repair (especially if done by a dealership that typically has much higher overhead than an independent shop).

Quoted from Tuna_Delight:

Starting to look for a new EV to replace our Honda Odyssey and supplement our 10-year-old Leaf. Need something that can carry at least one pinball machine and be "reasonably" priced.
Considering the 2024 Chevy Blazer. Any recommendations/thoughts?[quoted image]

Quoted from coolwhs:

If anyone has a Ford Ecoboost or Mazda with the same engine; this is what it takes to replace a head gasket:

Quoted from mcluvin:

Get an Equinox EV. Much cheaper...

Quoted from smalltownguy2:

Just like VHS won in the 80's, looks like Tesla may win the charger standard now. Ford is adopting the Tesla connector in 2025+ EV's.
https://electricautonomy.ca/2023/05/26/tesla-ford-supercharger-public-charging/
Tesla and Ford may be retail competitors, but now they are charging partners — with a new Supercharger deal and Ford’s move to adopt Tesla’s charging port in all new EVs starting in 2025
Tesla is opening its Supercharger network to Ford EV drivers in Canada and the U.S. in spring 2024; while Ford will phase out Combined Charging System ports on its vehicles in favour of Tesla’s North American Charging Standard (NACS) port, starting in 2025.
These announcements — unveiled jointly in a Twitter Live discussion yesterday by Telsa CEO Elon Musk and Ford CEO Jim Farley — are a strong signal from the two American automakers that charging access is a critical component of selling EVs.
Initially, Mustang Mach-E, F-150 Lightning and E-Transit owners will have access to Tesla’s over 12,000-strong Supercharger network. Future Ford drivers with the NACS ports on their vehicles will follow.
“Tesla has led the industry in creating a large, reliable and efficient charging system and we are pleased to be able to join forces in a way that benefits customers and overall EV adoption,” said Marin Gjaja, chief customer officer for the Ford Model e in a press release.
“The Tesla Supercharger network has excellent reliability and the NACS plug is smaller and lighter. Overall, this provides a superior experience for customers.”
The announcement is also the first indication from Tesla that it will open up its Supercharger network to non-Tesla vehicles in Canada. Already non-Tesla drivers in the U.S. are able to access some Tesla Superchargers using an adapter at the station.
“We don’t want the Tesla Supercharger network to be a walled garden,” said Musk.
“It is our intent to do everything possible to support Ford and have Ford be on an equal footing at Tesla Superchargers.”
BlueOval charging network
Currently, Ford EV drivers have access to the automaker’s BlueOval charging network.
The BlueOval charging network is “the largest public charging network in North America offered by automotive manufacturers,” claims Ford.
It’s a pay-as-you-go network spanning North America. BlueOval has over 84,000 chargers and partners including ChargePoint, FLO, Shell ReCharge, SemaCharge Network and Electric Circuit.
Adding Tesla’s Supercharger network boosts that number to nearly 100,000 chargers (22,000 fast chargers). And Ford dealerships are also putting a combined 1,800 public fast-chargers online by 2024.
“Mustang Mach-E, F-150 Lightning and E-Transit customers will be able to access the Superchargers via an adapter and software integration along with activation and payment via FordPass or Ford Pro Intelligence,” reads Ford’s explanation of how the integration will work.
Ford is calling all of its EVs made in or after 2025 its “next generation” EVs. Tesla, in its recent Investor Day presentation pegs Supercharger reliability at 99.95 per cent.
“This is great news for our customers who will have unprecedented access to the largest network of fast-chargers in the U.S. and Canada with 12,000+ Tesla Superchargers plus 10,000+ fast-chargers already in the BlueOval Charge Network,” said Farley.

Quoted from Neal_W:

That's cool, but don't forget that an engine that is not run frequently still requires oil changes every 12 months. Oil absorbs harmful moisture and separates and thickens over time.

Quoted from BMore-Pinball:

Of course, there are some additional costs associated with owning a hybrid car. For example, you may need to pay more for insurance, and you may have to pay a premium for the car itself. However, the savings on maintenance and fuel can often offset these costs.

Quoted from DarthPaul:

I change my oil when my car tells me to, which is around 12,000 miles. Anyone who is using synthetic oil and is changing it every 3,000-5,000 miles is throwing their money away.

Quoted from embryonjohn:

Has thread ever touched on the loss of independence, autonomy & freedom of travel these cars are quickly ushering in?
Self driving will quickly turn into no driving & no steering wheels.
Which then devolves into driving on only certain days, time blocks & roads.
Then it’ll morph into significantly reduced driving or only going where it’s programmed to allow you to go…right into no driving especially if you’re deemed an undesirable.
The government hates the freedom traditional cars offer and uses the environment only as an excuse, as they’re the biggest polluters.
Has every freedom loving, former hippie lost their mind and intellectual core beliefs?
I know, I know, it’ll never be forced on us like that.
We never thought our daughters would be forced to share areas with grown ass naked men too.

Quoted from Ribs:

Tax by weight. Heavy vehicles do a disproportional amount of wear. The road stress ratio of truck to car is 10,000 to 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_power_law

Quoted from Tuna_Delight:

Local Chevy dealer says they'll have some Blazer EVs available to view in person soon!

Quoted from BMore-Pinball:

For reference, what's the preferred accurate source of news these days?

Quoted from Garrett:

Agagin, as someone involved in the industry I would not buy an EV at this time.

Quoted from xsvtoys:

I've been cleaning out my toolbox, I think I have stuff in there from decades and decades ago lol. I found this in there, does anyone even know what this is anymore? Hint: I'm pretty sure you don't need this tool for an EV.
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Quoted from Mr_Tantrum:

Back from my suspension. Doesn't look like anyone missed me.

Quoted from titanpenguin:

What’s hilarious to me is all the folks that think the climate has been always the same as it is now.

Quoted from Mr_Tantrum:

Just do the math . . .
- 74% of Americans commute to work every day
- The average commute is 41 miles round trip
If the study you posted is accurate and the average auto trip is 3 miles, do you understand just how many incredibly short trips a day the other 26% would need to make to bring the average down to that number (54 x 1-mile trips each day per person)? Both of these numbers cannot be true as they are not even close in correlating to one another.

Quoted from Doctor6:

I'm confused by all these sudden desires to want to drive at a moments notice after running your car to the absolute brink of empty. On an average day, I drive about an hour a day. That car (currently a gas vehicle) is sitting, for me, 23 hours a day. Even if it were electric, in my scenario, I could go for multiple days without having to charge at all. Why do we suddenly have these scenarios locked and loaded saying that my car is empty at all times and I suddenly need to leave the house on an empty battery?
I understand this scenario, but I'm saying it would be so wildly rare that it would be moot for me. We have two cars. Just take the other one. Or... hell.... skip the middle man and hop on your horse. No more fuel concerns, be it gas or electric.
Oh WAIT. my horse is hungry and eating the moment I stubbed my toe. Looks like I'm gonna die.

Quoted from Fytr:

What's your much better plan for saving the planet then?

Quoted from ASAC_Schrader:

Once I can pull up and charge in about 5 minutes, and go 500 miles. Maybe then an EV makes sense.

Quoted from MrBally:

Ever hear of team driving? Husband and wife? Maybe an older child too?
Maybe three or four buddies going hunting in the wilderness?
Growing up in Detroit, many of us piled into a car with two or three others and drove non-stop to Daytona Beach. Just stopped to get gas and junk food, usually we'd stop for a minute along the road and water the tires. Depending on how much beer was being consumed.

Quoted from Pinfactory2000:

No doubt.
For the .000000000001% of the population that drive 14K/day, EV's are a bad choice.

Quoted from tripplett:

Basically...yes. It costs more to retool an existing car to become an EV. Legacy auto is having to design new EVs from the ground up to manage costs. They also are realizing that 'farming out' the motors, battery, chargers, and other critical components to 3rd parties locks themselves into prices that they must re-negotiate or take a hit on margins to stay relevant. Vertical integration is the only way to manage all of this.[quoted image]

Quoted from rwmech5:

Ev sales are in the toilet, dealers are getting backed up with 12 month surplus and with the announced losses by manufacturers not sure where they go from here.

Quoted from MrBally:

There are still homes in remote areas with only 110/120 volt service. Good luck with the 1 mile range per hour of charging.

Quoted from bob_e:

A friinds house had the 220vac plug melt down because of improper wire termination.
Aluminum wire used in place of copper to save money!
And it was done by the home builders electrical contractor.!

Quoted from beelzeboob:

I say this all the time! Thanks to EV owners for driving down demand--and ultimately, gas prices. Came out of the movie theater last month and saw every Tesla charging station taken up and five cars waiting to charge their car. I just don't understand why the hell people would do that to themselves. I'd rather pay the money for a tank of gas and be on my way. SMH...

Quoted from bob_e:

And all of the apartment complexes will they be putting in charging stations?

Quoted from beelzeboob:

...until they stop selling, which has already started happening. (My BMW dealer just told me they can't move them and have to have incentives to get them out the door.) When car rental companies start dumping their EVs, that's not a good look for the long term. I'm still a believer that EVs are the Betamax of cars.
EDIT: I don't think EVs are going to go away, nor will ICE cars. In the end they'll likely peacefully coexist like books and Kindles.

Quoted from RyanStl:

For some reason we can't get F-150 Lightnings for our fleet. I don't understand this excess, no sales Lightning deal. I guess they didn't make enough in fleet white without double the cost upgrades?

Quoted from frisbez:

All good things come to an end.
Anybody have details on EV SUVs that can fit a pinball machine?
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Quoted from HobbyGuy:

NYT had an article today about the massive deluge of Chinese cheap EVs about to flood our markets. 11K cheap, apparently.

Quoted from michiganpinball:

I don't get this tire stat that has been reported lately. A Silverado 2500 weighs about 7000 pounds, A Rivian R1T weighs about 7150. I don't see this as a big deal. A Tesla model 3 with the big battery weighs 4034 and a BMW M3 weighs about 3900.

Quoted from MrBally:

Too bad they can't use 'em to deliver new vehicles they produce. Their EV Semi Tractors are basically being used for dedicated freight carrier service on a particular route.