I've read the grid can't handle every household installing a charger for the EVs. The number is 4 stations per transformer. Infrastructure is needed.

And probably Vegan

All the ev owners should pull in and block the pumps at the gas station. That’ll show em.

They don’t make sense for me yet. Someday I’m sure but the infrastructure isn’t ready for the timeline they’re pushing.

The only “ICE” here is on the roads and all the ditched cars electric or not.

Not when it's -30, the wind is blowing 50 mph and you're in the ditch because a tow is 26 hours away. Pretty easy to have someone bring a jerry can and juice you up.

I like how folks who live in warmer climates think they have any idea what it's like up here. We go from +40 to -40 (104 to -40 F) in 3-4 months and our country is sparsely populated so the infrastructure is very expensive with not a lot of users.

Switzerland preparing for limited power on their grid due to low temps. Might be an issue for some ev owners.

Tech guys couldn't and will never understand.

Thieves don't care, we had a bunch of a/c condensers stolen from homes under construction a bit ago. They cut the 208 v and the 275 psi a/c lines with an axe. Must've made a hell of a bang.

I guess we're "NoT ReaDy" yet. Tech needs to advance to function under all conditions. Rogan had an interesting guest on discussing the cobalt mines in the Congo, pretty disturbing when you see it live. I'll be calling my Milwaukee rep to chat about their sources for the raw materials. -30 here for the 6th straight day but warm winds are coming. Happy holidays everyone!

Tankless are only good if you have a 400 sq' cabin, ground water above 50 degrees, and 2 people using it. The claims they make are garbage, no way you get 5.5 gpm at 100 delta t. I've ripped out more of these than I've ever installed. Check out Rinnai's new concept, a tankless water heater strapped to a tank! Brilliant!

A btu is a btu. Energy required to raise 1 lb of water 1 degree farhenheit. Been doing boilers etc for 30+ years and these units are still 85% efficient at best. A 40 gal tank is rated at 36k btu and a tankless is 199k btu. You can't just restrict the gas flow and expect the same performance. There's also other factors such as ground water temp, hardness, altitude. etc et etc. Numbers don't lie. Tankless are crap.

I know you're a smart guy Vid but facts are facts. Example, took me 4 hours to replace a 3 way valve on a customer's Noritz because I had to completely dismantle the cpu, pump and heat exchanger to get to it. So a 7500 install plus a 1200 repair inside of 5 years, he could've replaced his tank 7 times for that cost, Bradford White has a 7 year warranty on their tanks so 50 years of service for that cost. If you're worried about floods put in a drain pan and a water sensor hooked up to a phone app. Standby losses on new tanks are 1 degree f per hour so you're not throwing $ away.

Look at the design, the exchanger is above the electrical components. I’ve had 20 of these leak and completely destroy the unit.

Those babies draw 75 amps each! I hope you don’t have to pick between charging your car or having hot water!

You obviously don't have teenagers in your house.

That dude needs a severe talking to, by hand.

Oil and gas have brought us out of the dark ages. “Ending the planet”? Wow a little more drama for Monday please.

We will need to expand the production amount of copper, zinc, cobalt and lithium by 5x in the next 10 years to make the targets set by govts in 2035. History shows we’ve never made 2x in that span.

Because, you know,science.

Biggest issue I have is with the virtue signalling owners. Don't buy an ev figuring you're doing something for the planet. Once the production of the frame and the use of fossil fuels to produce the power to operate these units is figured in, the CO2 savings are negligible.

I'd pass on the crickets since us humans can't process chitin.

Been a lot of “conspiracy theories” come true in the last couple years.

Some of his posts are hysterical. Keeps this thread entertaining.

"Are you sure about that???"

Waiting for the power to go out. Solar flare.

To close the thread , ibtl.

Whaat??? You can't trust the CCP???

Being told hydrogen fired heating equipment is coming inside 2 years here. Going to be interesting to see what comes out.

Let the free market decide what vehicles we choose to drive.

Governments need to stop subsidizing everything and let the private companies make it or fail. IF the ev market prevails so be it if not there will be better tech right around the corner. The masses will support what they will and talk with their wallets.

It's not going to matter anyways, AI will be here and ending us inside of 8 years. That's 21st century tech.

Yup, no public $ for any private companies, if they can’t compete buh bye.

And get rid of 1/2 the govt bureaucrats. Definition of useless pricks.

Fire up those mining rigs!

Ok, that’s a game changer. Driving Evs pass, flying evs I’m in!

Guess I won’t be flying the sister-in-law with us…,

Elon syndrome is real.

Not the 6.0 Denali ??????

Here you go ?

I can only afford the 2017 LT GFX edition. Murdered out, pretty sexy in all black .

Silvvvverrrraaaadddoooooo!!!!!!

Everyone building a car is using the LS.

Pretty simple, you burn hydrogen, products of combustion are heat and water.

They’re already doing it at the refineries in Alberta. Our gas supplier is adding a bit to the nat gas that we all use to heat everything here.

Riiiggghht, hottest days ever! Because we’ve keeping records that long! Ree ree! Where’s the panic button?

Yup for as long as we’ve been keeping records. I think it was pretty warm when the asteroid hit. Earth has been around awhile.

Fords are the best vehicles for the planet. 100% efficient when they don’t start.

I’m getting extra insurance if my neighbour gets an ev.

Maybe the climate debate would make more sense if the top people screaming about it would stop flying in private jets, owning 6 houses on the beaches that are supposedly going to be under water in the next 10 years and having a dozen ice cars. Hoping the eastern grid doesn't go down while it's still cooking there.

I’m so glad Elon loves Canada! Some epic tweets today.

There’s no discussion of the fragility of the grid here!

Is one of them a Bucees? Worth driving an ice just to gas up there.

Curious what construction cost would be between this and icf blocks.

Ev sales are in the toilet, dealers are getting backed up with 12 month surplus and with the announced losses by manufacturers not sure where they go from here.

At least GM makes 10-15k for every truck sold not losing 30k+ for every ev plus the 17$/gal equivalent charging rates.

Well let's take a look at the ev bus fiasco in Edmonton. 60 million and a fleet full of junk and 200k in battery warmers to keep them going. 117 km range. Pathetic. Evs don't work in colder climates.

Ev inventory up 506% from a year ago as of Nov 14 according to CarGurus October report. They aren't selling.

Norway is a piss poor comparison because it's entire size is 385 sq km. Wall street journal story has 4000 auto dealers sending a letter to the potato in charge to slow ev production. Ford loses 36k on every one sold. This whole ev push is another scam by climate crazies. It will end at some point.

Ford announced Lightning production will be cut in 1/2 from projections due to low demand. People who drank the kool-aid have already purchased their planet saver and everyone else doesn't want an overpriced vehicle that costs 30,000 plus to repair. Insurance rates for these evs are skyrocketing as well due to even minor collisions causing write offs as 1 damaged lithium cell can set the whole car ablaze and repair shops have to have special storage and qualifications to work on them.

Not a good week to own an ev in Maine

Just found 50+ for sale online, maybe they can't agree on pricing? Listing at 62k average

Nova Scotia is looking at 3 days of outages due to storms. Not sure I'd want an ev with this and potential flooding causing unstoppable fires.

You don’t have 5 extra Gerry cans of fuel and a back up gas fired generator? You’re not much of a prepper.

History will repeat itself just like the 1930s when all the electric car makers closed up. 12 upstart ev makers will be out of cash by Q1 of 2024. Evs sitting on lots everywhere, makers backing off production and telling the govt to stop the mandates. Germany pulled all subsidies. Not looking good for the ev market unless you want to buy one because the prices are going to tank.

No anger, just facts. Evs will go the way of the dodo. Tesla had to cut prices 3 times on one quarter just to sell them. Toyota is the biggest car seller in the world and is changing direction. Just another fad that’s going to fade.

Another fun fact, there are 180,000 charging stations in the US now and to get to their own projections of number of Evs on the road to support they need 1.2-1.5 million stations by 2030 so that’s 430+ chargers that will need to be installed everyday until then. Good luck with that.

I thought Vid hated Elon? Now he’s touting his cars performances?

Info from US dept of transport and their own projection reports.

Took out 2 of them, and those blanket wraps to haul them away only cost 3000 each.

Looks like Hertz hates Evs too. Dumping 20k of them for a loss of 250 million.

Going out for public service today, our grid is under stress due to the frigid temps. Going around to the super chargers and unplugging all the evs I find.

At least Sask power kicked in with some good old coal and natural gas produced extra power for us.

What are accurate news sources that I should be looking at? I realize there’s a ton of bullshit out there and like to hear a variety of opinions to make the best conclusions possible. Thanks

Money talks and Ford lost 4.5 bil last year, most of it due to low ev sales. Cutting an entire shift for the lightning is not looking good.

Rivian’s stock was at $128 in Oct 2021 today it’s $16. They’re losing 30k/sale now when their suv is selling at 85k. If the govt stops the subsidies and Tesla keeps cutting prices and kills the secondary market, what’s the likely outcome?

Reeks of desperation in the UK, "Office for Zero Emission Vehicles" put out a report stating comparable upper level sedans have dropped to a 40% price gap from EV to ICE models and to purchase used as the bottom falls out of the market. On top of that the Govt is blaming Mr Bean for slowing sales of EVs. He has an engineering degree and posted some info of some of the challenges of EV ownership. Too funny, this just keeps getting better.

Um you’re wrong, if all the subsidies that are propping up the ev market are pulled the sheer cost will collapse the entire industry. Tesla is laying off 1000 workers and they were the only company hiring in the last year. The enormous dollars being lost will catch up eventually. Evs are for elites and there are only so many of those that can afford them

A reporter from Toronto showed a quote for installation of a level 2 charger for his residence at 16000 on top of the car price. That’s a vehicle for most of us plebs.

Not when you add up the wire $1500, charger $1500-2000 and upgrading the service and panel $10000 to $15000.

Don't forget about the constant 32 Amps your level 2 charger draws to keep your car going. Equivalent to running a dryer for as long as it is drawing power. Electricians I work with are saying electric bills are 7-800 per month whereas normally they are in the 3-400 range.

Are you insured if your self installed unlicensed outlet burns down your house? Or maybe your ev goes into thermal meltdown and does the job for you like the Jaguar in Denver?

Or the buses in London?

Insurance companies here want to see the city permits and work completed by licensed contractors. Natural gas work is even more strict.

My biggest issue is the mandates that no ice will be able to be sold after 2035. Let the market decide FREELY what people want, no subsidies and don’t tell me what I’m going to drive. Subsidies to oil and gas are not the same as the propping up of evs right now.

News flash the climate changes and has since the beginning. When CO2 makes up .04% of the atmosphere and at .02% all plant life dies, our effect is minimal. The Nordstream pipeline that got “blown” up released more methane than we have produced in a century.

Standard is 100 amp service here, more is a significant cost upgrade. Older homes with overhead wiring is even more.

I’m your huckleberry

International Scout, had a back seat like a limo.

Financial reports are showing the only 2 manufacturers making money are Tesla and BYD. Rivian was at 153 Billion in 2021 now is 5.5. Over 500 start-ups in China 2 years ago, now under 90 and dropping. If trends continue there will be 4-5 companies making evs in a few years.

Maybe they're trying to prevent the 50% loss in value in the first 3 years we're seeing?

That’s great, I’ll be able to get a Porsche golf cart for 5k pretty soon. Yeah boiiii!!!

Hertz CEO steps down after ev selloff issue. 400 days plus of inventory on dealer lots of ev inventory. Price war continuing due to lack of sales. Going to be interesting to see what unfolds in the ev market by the end of Q2.

The new developments in AI could be a game changer. Sora and Chat GPT5 are just the start. Advancements in robotics are next level. I believe AI will pass us by 2030 and there will be superior energy sources to lithium,cobalt and nickel batteries.

I hope nobody here has Rivian stock from 2022. Ouch

More economic bad news for ev manufacturers for Q1. Tesla down 33% and had their first production reduction since 2020. Rivian is on life support as it lost 5.5 billion last year. BYD will not be allowed to sell in the US and their domestic market is shrinking.

Boosting a car is hard? Hahahaha