Quoted from Reality_Studio:

Just look at air quality changes during the first covid lockdowns which effectively took all gas powered vehicles of all types off the roads. The air quality improvement in cities world wide was huge! There's some really dramatic differences in places like India where they don't have as strict tail pipe emission controls as we do here, but even in other cities world wide the difference was amazing. We had record high air quality in LA during that time as well.

I don't see your link but I'm not sure I would trust such an article written in "Motor City" who's lively hood depends on building gas engines. Regardless this also has been debunked quite a bit and it's been shown in many comparisons that an electric car is cheaper to own and operate than a gas car. I spreadsheet everything and I charted all costs and expenses of my last gas car a 2018 Camaro ZL1 and my 2019 Tesla Model 3 Performance both over three years. Not exactly an equal comparison as the Model 3 blows it away in basically every metric (performance, utility, fun, etc) but regardless it was around ~$8600 more over three years to operate the Camaro.
Now I know anytime I mention something like this someone will say "Yeah but my 1976 Trabant will be far cheaper" and sure it will be but that's not an equivalent comparison.

Quoted from FlippyD:

I gotta say the only thing I really actually HATE about EVs or even just new cars is:
WHY ARE THEY PUTTING FLAT PANEL SCREEN BASED CONTROLS WHERE I NEED TACTILE CONTROLS THAT I DONT HAVE TO LOOK AT?!?!
It's awful. Literally awful. No I don't want to have games on a massive 18" screen playing while I'm driving.
No I don't want to have to tilt my head each time to change the temperature or a song.
Get this fucking horrendously disgusting and distracting TECH-BRO-TRUCK-TESTICLES shit off my multi-thousand pound death machine.
I have to keep me and my family and my passengers safe and it's just a big giant WHY PAD in my field of view!

Quoted from gdonovan:

Saying in the car industry, so goes California so goes the rest of the nation. California is or was the number one state for car sales. Everything pretty much gets made to California spec as it costs to much to have separate specs built.

Quoted from Reality_Studio:

Everyone that has index stocks is a Tesla stock holder, but hey if answering questions or trying to correct posts that seem in error makes me a salesman then no biggie, I'll go elsewhere.

Quoted from girloveswaffles:

I remember years ago seeing an episode of NOVA about hydrogen. One part of the episode showe ICE engine buses in Rio de Janeiro running on hydrogen, so this is nothing new. It seemed like it was working well, but there was some issues with the engines pinging sometimes.

Quoted from oldbaby:

I would be curious as to why, if you don't mind sharing.

Quoted from Reality_Studio:

We don't keep any cash but I'm the same in that I don't have any index stocks either. About 2.5 years ago I looked deep into Tesla as a company, their products, their financials, their future, etc. To me they seemed like they would be a 1 to 2 trillion dollar company by 2030 (my benchmark as that's when I can "officially" retire) without self driving which I ignored as I have no clue have to value it. But they had many angles from automotive, AI, robotics, manufacturing, energy collection, energy storage, energy sale and arbitrage, transportation, software, app stores and entertainment, and on and on, they effectively seemed like an index stock to me as they cover so many industries.
Back then there were many legacy industries, news channels, short sellers, all sorts of various groups actively trying to kill off this American success story and that palpable fear along with the info above helped cement in my mind both that this was a buy and also had fortunately kept their stock artificially at a really low level keeping them at the time around 80 million or so valuation. To me this was the deal of the century so I sold all my S&P 500 index stock, dumped it into Tesla and never looked back. I'll sell it when I'm 59.5 years old right around 2030.

Quoted from JohnTTwo:

Sorry as a vet owner I can tell you NO vet can keep up with the Plaid! Mine is hopped up and 0-60 in like 2.8, but I can't even come close the the Tesla rocket!

Quoted from jawjaw:

Right, either way that's not good. Still, Tesla designed the car to stop in the middle of the freeway which is very dangerous. I can easily see litigation over something like that if nasty accident. One could always argue that there should of been safer alternatives.

Quoted from yaksplat:

I personally can't drive a car without a manual transmission in it. Therefore, there's no EV for me. And no, fake manuals don't count.

Quoted from TheLaw:

Yeah thats a big one for sure.

Quoted from BMore-Pinball:

Yeah, becuase the government is great at running things .....

Quoted from cait001:

The only thought 99% of techbros have is "wow, I could make a tonne of money if we made an app to get around all these longstanding health + safety regulations!" LOL
like, ok dude, go back to cuddling your NFTs.

Quoted from BMore-Pinball:

Is it some sort of inside joke or attempt at a put down by constantly call it Tezla
please enlighten me

Quoted from Jaybird815:

And you’re not getting any new in demand cars below MSRP in this current market.

Quoted from mrm_4:

Then you’ll get the 16 dickheads in Orlando (insert any other city for convo sake) with EVs that’ll lecture every single person they make eye contact with about how they’re making a difference.

Quoted from girloveswaffles:

Oh goody, stupid people can drive like idiots in a $50K EV!

Quoted from BMore-Pinball:

I have seen some old classics turned into very cool EV's

Quoted from bob_e:

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Quoted from xsvtoys:

The VW Thing is pretty cool, great idea.
It is also possible to go the other way round if that's your thing.

Quoted from jeffro01:

It wouldn't surprise me if, and I get this wouldn't be very popular, regulators started looking at mandating fire suppression systems in garages. Ones capable of suppressing a Li battery fire. Yes it would be expensive and because of that alone I'm probably simply nuts with this thought but yeah....
I was so concerned about this with my Tesla that every 6 months I'd shut off the breaker to my Tesla High Power Wall Connector and checked the tightness of every lug in the circuit from the breaker on down. From time to time I'd find one that wasn't as tight as it should be... That can cause resistance which equals heat which equals fire which equals bad...
Jeff

Quoted from bob_e:

A fleet of Electric cars lined up and ready to go
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Quoted from xsvtoys:

Turned on the tv tonight and caught a review of the new e-hummer on local cbs news.
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At the end they showed this shot of it getting charged. The announcer’s last words were “never again to guzzle gas”.
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Then the shot panned back for a few seconds before it ended, and….
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Quoted from BMore-Pinball:

Up to 1,000 mile range
Recharge via Solar up to 40 miles a day
Starts at $26,000
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Quoted from Gatecrasher:

So it sounds like you have some kind of hatred of the Glass City?
Not me. I could eat a Tony Packos MOAD right about now!!

Quoted from electricsquirrel:

Throw it in the garbage in a couple of years, when you can't get a battery for it anymore.

Quoted from mrm_4:

Ok well lets ask you then... name one single thing that can be done to affect gas prices from a legislative or executive position[quoted image]

Quoted from bob_e:

EVs may have an advantage when it comes to changing spark plugs
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Quoted from zaphX:

I hear you. I'm of mixed mind here. The shorter legs were easier to take mentally, as I was looking forward to a stop every couple hrs at most.
The actual charge time was pretty good - under 30 mins in for all EA stations - but there was additional "overhead."
What's overhead?
- Time to plug, unplug, charger to initialize etc
- Time changing from a bad pump to a good one
- Time waiting in line for my turn at a pump (which only happened once)
I recorded my stop/start times carefully so I could measure the indicated charge time on the pumps separate from the overall time lost.
You're not wrong that gas is more efficient here, which isn't really my point.
Just sharing actual hard data and real world experience here.
Make your own conclusions on what's acceptable to you.
It's worth noting I drove 1800 miles and only paid $17.30 (the first charge stop on Francis Energy.)
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Quoted from Grayman_EM:

Hey we have that all settled as we call the answer Nevada! Yes people just visit it but nobody really wants to live there.

Quoted from Grayman_EM:

Hey we have that all settled as we call the answer Nevada! Yes people just visit it but nobody really wants to live there.

Quoted from zaphX:

Can we just drive them because we like them better, though?

Quoted from frisbez:

You realize that if there's no power that gas stations won't be able to pump gas right?

Quoted from zaphX:

ICE engines are like a Rube Goldberg to me. So many moving parts and things that work in concert. It's amazing they work at all, honestly.

Quoted from Dawson:

6. environment . I can drive it inside and not poison miter 10 up with diesel

Quoted from Darcy:

Surely there less servicing. But things like brakes, tires, suspension, 12 volt battery, still need attention.

Quoted from Tuna_Delight:

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Quoted from flynnibus:

Tires and wipers pretty much are all most people deal with. Brakes wear far less due to regen braking. 12v lasts a long time. Suspension is like a 7+yr item.
The biggest woes are repairs if you get into an accident

Quoted from Dawson:

miter 10 is like your home dopey , but we drive into a warehouse to pick up our lumber and goods.. lots of guys leave there rigs running , and its so gross to smell the toxic tail pipe .
there are a lot of diesels here .

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Quoted from BMore-Pinball:

yeah, because mustang, Camaro and corvette owners never do

Quoted from DiabloRush:

Sure, happy to go through the math with you. I’ll use your figure of 45 minutes to full charge.
1) Arrive at supercharger.
2) You find 4 people waiting in front of you (this was the point of my comment, see the quote “once EVs have more market penetration, you'll be waiting to get at that charger, too. Once most folks find they have anywhere from a 45 minute to 4 hour wait”)
3) Now for the complicated math part. I’ll try to keep it as simple as possible. 5x45 minutes = 225 minutes = 3.75 hours.
There you go! Happy to help!

Quoted from vid1900:

Exactly.
It looks like the dealer (assuming that invoice is real), tried to find the most expensive aftermarket battery in the world.
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Quoted from vid1900:

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Quoted from zaphX:

Yep. They are well made and last forever. Just completely soulless.

Quoted from BMore-Pinball:Worse than the Beetle

Quoted from vid1900:

What are you talking about???
Take your drone out, and look at the south facing roofs in your neighborhood.
All the cool kids are living directly under their solar panels.
Could not be any closer.
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Quoted from zaphX:

In many parts of America (Texas for example) the math doesn't work.
It's far cheaper to pay your electric bill for the rest of your life than to do solar.

Quoted from xsvtoys:

10 cents, lol we are 4x that and beyond. I gotta get out of this place and move to LV.

Quoted from smalltownguy2:

But the Tesla PowerWall is killing me right now with their pricing.

Quoted from MtnFrost:

Would it be wrong, if we are discussing all of the above, to require that nuclear plants built and run by private companies should be entirely funded by the private industry as well, including the cost of insurance?
Not against them as part of the equation, but it seems like that cost alone is why private companies don't build them.

Quoted from zaphX:

The Indian casino north of me in OK has chargers out front

Quoted from No_Skill:

Easy solution. Like I said before, EV assist trailers with their own motors and batteries. Hell, I'd even be intrested in that to help my Denali guzzle less gas.

Quoted from Steve_in_Escalon:

I just spent a full day at SEMA. Seems that the majority of the show vehicles were 4X4’s (60%), drifters (20%), EV conversions in every imaginable type vehicle (10%), and classics (10%). It’s a far cry from our first SEMA show 20 years ago when hot rods ruled.
I have both a hot rod and a hybrid and am happy with both!

Quoted from MrBally:

Had to pass on SEMA this year as I just had a knee replaced last week. Spent two full days there last year and liked the Mustang, Jeep and VW EV conversions.
A old pinball repair co-worker is in sales at Hillbank and was in town as always. They typically sell several Shelby Cobras and Ford GT remakes at every show Still selling with or ready for the buyer's own crate ICE.

Quoted from BMore-Pinball:

EV's are the future.... but We aRe Not reAdY.........
I like them as cars .... but You cAn't roAd TrIp
99% of my driving is around town ..... bUt yUo onLy haVe a 300 MilE RAnge
it requires almost no maintenance ... but hOw wILl you cLEan yOUr winDows
I love how they drive ..... BUt nO COol LoOK AT mE EXhausT Sound
You can charge to a full tank at home every night .... but You cAn't roAd TrIp
You can warm the car up in your closed garage ...... but
You can cool your car in your closed garage ... but
They are faster then ICE ...... but

Quoted from PlanetExpress:

I have an ID.4 and live in CBus. Thanks for sharing this article, as I hadn’t realized how awful my situation was. It seemed like I just drove it to work and charged it at home, then charged it as needed when doing a road trip. My commute is only 9 miles, so just a single hotel should be sufficient to cover all the times I’m left stranded.

Quoted from BMore-Pinball:

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Quoted from vid1900:

While you are filling your tank next week with $5 a gallon gas, remember Big Oil just made it's highest profit ever last quarter.
In the 3rd quarter, Exxon made a record breaking 23 Billion while forcing inflation to a 40 year high
Enjoy.

Quoted from vid1900:

All those YT videos are just manufactured drama.
You can buy re manufactured batteries, brand new batteries, salvage batteries
Remember the fake news story that the replacement 2011 Chevy Volt battery was $29,999? That's more than the car is worth!!!! [gasp]
It played on endless rotation through the national news, and then dealers pointed out that the genuine battery was $6,500 and had a one week delivery time.

Quoted from pinballizfun:

Charging overnight is fine, for those that can do, it and not nearly everyone can. As more are purchased more will need charging when not at home. That is an issue or time and access.

Quoted from girloveswaffles:

It's Lyriq.

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Quoted from usandthem:

Start calling them “HOT water heaters”. That’ll really piss everybody off.

Quoted from vid1900:

That seems like crazy money.
I got this tankless on sale for $199, installed it in about 3 hours.
Comes with the exaust vent adapter and dielectric fittings in the box.
Cool black tempered glass face with digital readout, touch panel and lockout. Too bad it lives in the basement.
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Quoted from tripplett:

Hard to tell but it looks like a matte black wrap. Could they have just removed them to install the wrap then decided they liked the clean look? I haven’t seen any de-badging on the east coast but I’ll keep my eyes open.

Quoted from zaphX:

I'm in software for a living. The shit I've seen....*shudder*.
You might disagree but it is most definitely not ignorant.

Quoted from tripplett:

There's been several of these petrol vs EV races and they all turn out about the same. Interesting to see these comparisons... I saw one today and pasted a link below if you want to view it.
TLDR - 9.5 hr 900km (560 mile) trip from Sydney to Melbourne Australia in two Hyundai's - basically an all day drive trip. The petrol car won by 38 minutes.
The EV charged 4 times and was delayed at one charger - so the race could have been even closer. Total time charging the EV: 34 minutes. The extra 4 minutes was due to going through a town after charging enroute to the highway.
Petrol stopped 3 times - twice for fuel and a food/drink stop. Interestingly he said he would have preferred to stop a 4th time on that long of a trip.
At one point half way through the trip they were just 7k (4 miles) apart. So if you're cannonballing go with petrol but if you are the average human that will stop for 30 minutes for food once on a 9 hr trip the total time is about the same. This also assumed the petrol car was full at the start of the trip - usually not the case.
Found the fuel cost differences:
Tucson - $112
Ioniq 5 - $67

Quoted from Steve_in_Escalon:

The legislation is a token gesture to support the fossil fuel industry that is a significant part of Wyoming’s economy. They admit the law would have little to do with reality.
It is doing exactly as intended, getting people to talk about the issue…

Quoted from tripplett:

With every electrical outlet being an EV “fuel pump” there’s one literally within a stones throw of almost everyone on the planet. While it may be slower and inconvenient… should SHTF it’ll be harder to get gas.
Problem we have today is auto makers like VW giving away a year of free DC fast charging with new car purchases. People that live locally will drive from their home and sit in their cars to get that free juice rather than charge at home for a few bucks. It really inconveniences long distance travelers that need those chargers. We really need to do away with free charging to stop incentivizing these new EV owners clogging the chargers to save a few bucks. If they are going to do it they need to limit it to the fast chargers at the dealers - away from the highways and travelers.

Quoted from tripplett:

I wouldn't say 'just as guilty'. They haven't offered unlimited supercharging since the 3 was released like 6 years ago. Back then there weren't near as many being produced either. They deliver more in 6 months now than all delivered combined 2012-1017.
And the 1,000 miles Tesla offered during a few Q pushes (or with a referral) is really only 3-6 charges - it goes quick. It's nothing like a year or two of UNLIMITED charging. Placing a mileage cap on it is a smarter way to do it and causes you to use it when you need it - like on a road trip.

Quoted from tripplett:

The 10,000 miles free Supercharging was only offered Dec 15-31 2022 to push year end sales. They only offered it for those 2 weeks and they’ve never offered that high an amount before. Owners have up to 2 years to use those miles.
They have offered 1,000 miles a few times since 2016 - about once a year and usually for only a few weeks to drive Q end sales.
There is no current free Tesla supercharging being offered with new car sales.
As for how it’s calculated it’s defined by the car’s rated range - which is about 4.3 miles per kW supplied by the charger. It’s about 2,300 kW to go 10k miles. Rates are about 20-25 cents a kW so that’s like a $500 perk.
For reference Kia offers 1,000 kW of free Electrify America fast charging on every single EV they sell - 365 days a year. That’s about 4-5k miles of charging on every single car.
VW is worse going as far as offering 3 years unlimited charging on Electrify America fast charging network on all VW ID.4 models. 30 min max per session, but there’s a bug so all you have to do is move stalls and you can start another session free.

Quoted from tripplett:

All articles I’ve found say the 10k free miles expired Dec 31 2022 - which makes sense as they wanted to boost year end sales.
Tesla discontinued free supercharging in mid 2016. From 2012 to mid 2016 they produced about 125,000 vehicles total and not all had free supercharging. Not all are still on the road either. But let’s say 50k are still out there? Each Tesla Supercharging location has on average 8-16 stalls. So a few older Model S owners charging isn’t a big deal. Electrify America charging locations are usually only 2 or 4 stalls. Much more of an impact.
VW sold half a million EV’s worldwide in 2022. Much less just in US (having a hard time finding the exact number). But all of those have 3 years of free unlimited charging. Every single one sold daily even today. When they show up at a charger that one car occupies 25-50% of available EA chargers vs a 2013 Model S showing up and occupying 1/10th or less of available Tesla Superchargers.
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Quoted from tripplett:

This excerpt seems to say it all…
“The Ukrainian military has used Starlink services effectively against Russian forces. Since the war broke out, Chinese military researchers have repeatedly called for developing capabilities to destroy Starlink if necessary.”

Quoted from Mr_Tantrum:

The Automobili Pininfarina Battista has cemented its claim to be the world's quickest production car after a series of tests on a high-speed track in India.
The Mahindra-owned, Italian-built electric supercar is powered by four electric motors with a combined 1,877 hp and is built with lightweight carbon fiber construction. The $2.2 million coupe last year set the quickest 0-60 mph acceleration time with a 1.79-second sprint, but has followed that up with a record-setting quarter-mile run.
With Autocar editor Hormazd Sorabjee behind the wheel, the Battista was able to cover the distance in just 8.55 seconds, beating the previous mark of 8.58 seconds set by the Rimac Nevera, with which it shares its motors and battery. No other stock production car has ever broken the 9-second barrier.
Sorabjee went on to set the half-mile record at 13.38 seconds on the way to a top speed of 222.5 mph on the seven-mile-long oval.
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Quoted from Fytr:

And the key point is that it is not about what the current situation is regarding power sources, since the plan to save humanity, et al. requires BOTH electrifying everything that can be as quickly as possible (this is where you buying an EV for your next car comes in), and also switching to "green" electricity generation as soon as feasible. We need to to move where the "puck" is going to be (clean electricity powering clean EVs) and not wait for everything to be in place first.
And as noted, even with fossil-fueled electricity generation EVs are still far more efficient than ICE vehicles, lower TCO, better performance and comfort, etc. so no downside.

Quoted from razorsedge:

There is a Distinction not being made;
LOVE EV's . . . but Lithium and Batteries?, filled with Contrived Restricted Charged Energy, multiple sorts of Slavery made 'Ok'? . . . basically disgusting isn't enough words.
Nothing Against Electric Powered Vehicles, as in themselves, awesome lets go back to the 19th century 'tech'. Just the current Execution that is nonsensical and retaaded. Very Destructive too. Lithium, Cobalt, mining, surface destruction. Already Unsustainable, yet some refards condone going over a hundred fold in on it!?. On the slavery as well as the pollution. Then the Obvious Added Inherent Fire and Death risks. Lithium EV? . . . Get real boomers.

Quoted from mcluvin:

I gather you've never had to shovel coal into a pale and then bring it into your home to feed a coal stove to keep warm? I have and it sucks. It's incredibly inefficient. It's kinda the same idea. Let them burn it there, or whatever else means (hopefully) to make power, and I'll use electricity to warm/cool my home. They don't drive it to the power station with semis either. They use rail. It's more efficient.

Quoted from mcluvin:

I get the logic of the meme. If the source is still dirty, how is an EV any better? It's just flawed logic. Most EV owners know the source of that power is still dirty a lot of the time, and that lithiom-ion is not ideal. Ultimately though, it's a step in the right direction.
I can't wait to see the meme's when sodium-ion batteries start to be a thing in EVs. It's coming...

Yer just bragging This is what we used and boy that house would be cold in the morning if somebody didn't get up and put more coal in the stove.
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Quoted from tripplett:

If this was true then the new law would apply to hybrids and plug in hybrids as well as EVs. They are just as quiet. Perhaps an amendment one day...