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Nothing against ev. I just hate that tax dollars go to help people buy luxury cars and the push to make all cars ev. I'm 100% for choice.
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Quoted from jeffro01:It's amazing the responses in this thread as it's exactly why it was created. So much misinformation here, so much FUD, it's actually quite hilarious if it weren't so depressing. I can tell you I miss my EV, a lot... I HATE going to gas stations, it's a complete waste of my time. In the 6 years+ I owned an EV I never had to go to the gas station unless I wanted a hot dog or something. Never ran out of electricity, never ran out of battery, always was able to go where I wanted to go. It was great.
It seems to me everyone in this thread that is dumping on EVs has never owned one but are somehow experts. Seems to be a lot of that going around these days, everyone's an expert on everything, just need a few minutes on the toilet and your degree is in the mail... Pathetic.
Jeff
Hate gas stations? Kind of annoying sometimes but hardly an effort to do once in a while. I think it's remarkably convenient to be able to stop literally anywhere to fuel up and be on your way in only a couple of minutes. You do feel it in the wallet with higher gas prices, though. I will give you that. Still, if everyone drove ev cars there would have to be something to replace gas taxes like taxed per mile. Govt would track your driving and of course some people would pay more, some less. Now that is something I would hate. I also wonder what would happen to most gas stations if everyone had ev. There would be no need for the vast majority of them since most people just charge at home. Changing stations would have to be in parking locations and destinations, not on a random street corner.
Quoted from jeffro01:Okay? Maybe my time is more valuable than yours? Maybe I liked having a full tank every morning and never had to worry about running out of anything?
Now to your point about gas taxes, that's a serious issue that isn't remotely close to being resolved. EVs must contribute to this funding, they use the infrastructure as well and due to their weight cause more wear and tear on top of that. Any attempt to correct this is squashed for one silly reason or another. Like the mileage tax, oh no the government will know where I've been... DO YOU CARRY A CELL PHONE? They already know... A flat fee, that's not fair because some drive more or less than others and so people say it "hurts" EV sales. I'm not saying I have the answer because I don't, but something has to give here on this one.
In a perfect world there would be a L2 EV charger at every parking space in every parking lot (yeah I know not going to happen mainly due to meth head copper thieves who would have a field day with this). But perhaps a section of each parking lot then it even further eliminates the need to charge at home or whatever. It also extends range in that if you live 50 miles from Walmart you could be charging while you shop perhaps making up that entire energy use for the drive there to use on the drive home making range even less of a question. Just thinking out loud on that one.
Jeff
Maybe I am special but I can spare 2 minutes of my life every week or two. Spending $20000+ more on a vehicle to save a few minutes now and then not worth it to me. But that's me. If all things equal, yes it would be better to not have to pull over at gas stations. There is a cost to everything.
BTW - I really hate the argument that if there is already a little of something then it's okay to have a lot more of it. I accept some level of taxation and invasion but that does not mean I am open to all levels of taxation and invasion. It bugs me that everyone just says ev are the future but admit it's a bumpy road. Like you said, you ideally would want chargers in every parking spot. Who is going to build, maintain, and update all those when tech changes? Answer is we all pay with taxes and increase costs. Then you have issues with tax and you know that's just an open door for all kinds of unpleasant changes. Somehow this is better than what we have now? You can buy a reliable car for $25000 or less that can easily do 200000 miles with minimum maintenance. It's easy to fuel anywhere in only a few minutes and can go anywhere no problem. You can find used cars at all price points giving even those on modest income a chance to own a car.
Quoted from jeffro01:Have you looked at the cost of a new ICE lately? EVs aren't even more expensive depending on what specific comparison you want to make. They're also cheaper to maintain and in almost all instances, cheaper than dino fuel.
No you can't. Have you looked at car prices lately? And then easily do 200000 miles with minimum maintenance? What do you define as minimum maintenance as you still need to do oil changes and those aren't cheap even if you do them yourself? Not to mention the spewing of combustion gasses into the atmosphere which I get clearly doesn't matter to you but it does to a lot of people.
I continue to maintain the people who seem to be against EVs are the same ones who haven't driven one yet... This is sort of one of those things that if you don't know you don't know.
Jeff
Oil changes only needed every 6 months or once a year depending on miles. That's not expensive lol. Not sure where you get your math but if it works for you great.
Quoted from ViperTim:I’m calculating on changing out my 2012 Lexus GS Luxury for a 2016ish Tesla Model S.
And all the numbers are for the Tesla and against the Lexus.
But no matter how much I try to justify the Tesla in terms of cost, I just can’t part with my Lexus.
The Lexus is a brilliant car, absolutely fantastic.
The Tesla is to be honest, American. American “OK” quality.
The Tesla is percieved as a luxury car but in my opinion it’s far from it.
It has numerous bullshit issues that’s just bizarre and I’ve watched many videos and posts of how many issues people has had within the first 50k km on these.
While the Lexus is basically fault free because well, it’s a Lexus.
Granted most of those cars are first model years and Tesla has made a great car on their first try.
But comparing it to the quality of a Lexus makes it look like absolute shit.
And it costs more than twice as much, almost three times as much.
Decisions decisions…
I want it only because running costs are cheaper.
But it’s simply an inferior car. For soooo much more money.
Buy what makes you happy and fun to drive. Running costs are not going to be a major factor imo and I never understood the concept of spending a lot money to save a little bit of money. Maybe in 10 years a Tesla beats out something like a Lexus in total costs from fuel, repairs, maintenance, etc. I don't care. If the goal is to save money, buy a small, cheap Toyota and drive it until the wheels fall off.
Quoted from girloveswaffles:I'll go a step further and say UPS (or even Amazon) should go the EV route (Where convenient. I don't necessarily see them being a good option out in rural areas) and add solar panels on the large roof of their vehicles. It probably won't charge them up completely, but it could extend their range.
Not sure about that. It would have to be a large vehicle carrying a lot of weight. All the stops means decreased range. Maybe it would work if you can design routes around range but that could mean more trucks and drivers. Just sounds like a lot more costs in a very competitive industry. USPS trucks make more sense. They are typically smaller vehicles covering smaller routes. Problem is someone would have to design and build specialty vehicle just for them.
Quoted from girloveswaffles:Large vehicles with roofs with large surface area for panels and what about stops? Every time an ICE vehicle starts up is when it puts out more of it's pollution compared to when it's driving.
There already are EV delivery trucks. Coca Cola and Frito/Lays have been using them for years.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TechnologyPorn/comments/2y63b1/cocacolas_new_battery_powered_allelectric/
https://www.greenbiz.com/article/frito-lay-rolls-out-all-electric-delivery-trucks-nyc
I'm not a fan of EV cars for the most part, but EV delivery trucks for suburban and city use make sense. And adding solar panels to extend the range is a no brainer.
Start stop city driving worst for fuel economy. Thought that was basic knowledge. They put it right on the window sticker on new cars - city and hwy mileage. I'm sure ev delivery vehicles are doable. I just wonder about the costs and ability to work in all conditions. Doubt a truck loaded with batteries and solar panels comes cheap. All the added costs get transferred to the consumer.
Quoted from Reality_Studio:At $125k it competes with cars in the $500k to $3 million range so it's a bargain for what it does.
Regardless, that's been tested many times on Youtube, it still does 9 second quarter mile runs and 0-60 in 2.33 seconds at 20% charge. Things change rapidly in this space and most info you hear, especially from anything tied to legacy auto, is likely wrong or outdated. It's just part of their rampant misinformation campaign to kill off anything electric, not surprising when most auto publications be it online or print media have legacy auto as their #1 source of ad revenue. Follow the dollars and the corruption becomes clear.
If you compare it to a $3 million Bugatti or some other ridiculously expensive hyper car then sure, it's dirt cheap lol. With the same argument in reverse, I can think of a lot of very nice cars that are both fast and fun to drive for much less. Even the regular Model S is plenty fast, much cheaper, and looks exactly the same. Not sure where you are going with the whole conspiracy thing. Tesla is a premium brand. Everyone knows what they are and what they are about. Plenty of people would love to buy one but simply cannot afford it. Even if you can afford a Tesla, there is a lot of competition at that premium price level. Most people seem to prefer bigger, loaded suvs than smaller ev sedans for example.
Quoted from paynemic:Yes. It will slow to a stop. It’s supposed to pull over. But remember to compare to a standard ICE car. You fall asleep at the wheel you drive off the road and die. I’ve literally seen a car do that right in front of me.
Right, either way that's not good. Still, Tesla designed the car to stop in the middle of the freeway which is very dangerous. I can easily see litigation over something like that if nasty accident. One could always argue that there should of been safer alternatives.
Quoted from girloveswaffles:Greed. They've been going up since late 2020 and now the oil companies are using the war as an excuse to rob us. It's one thing to pay more because of a war but these Mo-Fos are just gouging everyone now.
Oil is a commodity. The price you see at the pump is not just some artificial number created by some big oil exec to rob you. Look up the price of a barrel of oil on the market. It's over $110 a barrel. Three years ago it was around half that. If you really want to get into it, look into the added taxes and regulations that drive up the cost. Listen to the language our leaders use when talking about our oil production and energy independence. It's not exactly in line with driving down cost of oil. But of course the easy thing to do is blame big oil so we must punish them with more taxes, regulations, and restrictions which further drive up prices. Answer is of course everyone buy an ev car at the tune of $50000-$120000. Great, thanks.
Quoted from jeffro01:First, of course you're not wrong about oil being a global commodity. However, oil companies have an influence on that by controlling the rate of production. Less oil means higher prices, that funny supply and demand thing. Punish them? LOL... The tax breaks and subsidies they get are a joke and should have been repealed a long time ago. If we really wanted to punish oil companies I can assure you we would but they have powerful lobbies in Washington so not likely...
Answer is of course to shift away from our dependence on oil, regardless of where it's extracted from. Part of that, certainly not all, can be addressed by EVs.
Jeff
Correct about supply and demand. However, a lot of things influence that supply and demand. Increasing supply takes a tremendous amount of investment, time, and risk. There are also regulations and political pressure that make it difficult to increase supply. In a volatile environment, you are not going to take those risks. You can say what you want about subsidies/taxes and I might agree with some of them. I can argue that the oil industry is vital to our national security and something that impacts us all. I think it's more ridiculous that subsidies help people buy luxury ev cars which nobody needs. Even if everyone drove ev cars, you would still need fossil fuels to manufacturer them and for power plants. Maybe someday you can supply all energy needs with green energy but that's no time soon.
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Quoted from BMore-Pinball:yes, there is some inherent risk with charging a massive lithium ion battery in your garage, but accidents like this are very rare
same thing can happen with your laptop on a smaller scale
I agree but still a bit concerning if anything goes wrong. Lots of house fires start in the garage. If your garage is full of things with lithium batteries and higher voltage circuits, that could make a small fire into a big one much more quickly.
EV cars just don't burst into flames nor do ice vehicles for the most part. If a charging port is not installed correctly or home has old, poor wiring than things can happen. If an ice vehicle not maintained well or has design flaws things can happen. I just don't see how you can compare all these things as equal.
Quoted from pinballizfun:I'm not worried about the car, but if it can be put out faster there is less chance my house goes with it. And generally a ice car does not spontaneously light on fire in a garage.
It most certainly happens. It's not things just catch fire. Ice cars can have electrical faults or just gas leaking on a hot engine. You just need spark and fuel for a fire.
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Quoted from Dawson:We own an Env200, it’s an electric Nissan nv200
130km range . Which is plenty for surfing and town/work. Also will fit a pin and lift . It’s charges with the solar on the roof . It literally cost nothing to drive, it’s quiet, it’s fast, it’s smooth. Bogans with the loud exhaust often get eaten off the line, their peepees shrivel to dust. Our grid is 81% renewable anyway, but the reality is that even if we burned coal to “fuel” it, the operation of BEV is many times more efficient then gas and at 10bucks a gallon . Your tiny peepee hate of EVs will cost you
How do you stand up right with all that weight from your peepee? It must be quite the struggle to drag that around.
Quoted from Gatecrasher:I saw on the network news last night...
"On March 29, wind became the second largest source of daily electricity in the US, surpassing coal and nuclear for the first time on record. Apr 16, 2022"
In 2022 the US government issued a record number of wind generation leases while scaling back the amount of new oil drilling permits in environmentally-protected areas. The times they are a changin'.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2022/04/14/wind-power-coal-nuclear-electricity/7323512001/
They certainly are. Not sure I like all the changes I am seeing, though.
Quoted from Dawson:Why would anyone want to sell me a gas car ? The people that drive them don’t really like them ,it’s just what suits them. Where as EVs go,we fricken love them.
Are you serious? You don't think anyone, anywhere has passion for cars except ev owners? Amazing. That mindset is what I "hate", not ev cars. I don't want someone like you making rules for someone like me on what kind of car I should or shouldn't be driving.
Quoted from Mr_Tantrum:Can't speak to their chainsaw, but I have an ECO blower that I like a lot. I have a corner lot with sidewalks, and after mowing I can run it on full blast long enough to blow everything I need to. I will say that I tried their highest end edger/trimmer and went through three of them in a month or so, and ended up returning to gas for that tool. The electric motor they used just couldn't handle the continuous operation it took to complete all of the sidewalk and curb edging I have without literally smoking and burning up the motor (although the battery handled the job just fine). I really wanted it to work for the convenience and noise benefits, but in the end it was the wrong tool for the job.
For a chainsaw it is probably like a car in that application will determine if it would be a good fit or not. I used to live in a house where one weekend out of the year or every two years, I went to town on trimming the trees with hours of continuous use. This would not have been possible with a cordless electric saw without serious disruption.
I love my eco trimmer. Works very well and no issues. Recently bought a eco blower and pretty happy with it as well. Only complaint is they are kinda expensive but advantage is not having to deal with gas or mixing fuel. Not so happy with eco chainsaw. Okay for light duty but nothing too serious. Wish I bought a gas one.
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Quoted from zaphX:Ugh. That would be hell on earth to me.
Camrys are for people who hate cars, and driving.
EV cars sound a lot like that to me - for people that don't like driving. I mean, the push is for the cars to literally drive themselves. That's just about the last thing I want. Maybe when I get older I will want a beige ev to drive me around. Just sounds depressing saying that.
Quoted from paynemic:Now. You’re probably correct with the current state of the software. But with machine learning over billions of miles it will eventually surpass human performance.
Machine learning? Obviously you are not in software. We are miles away from anything remotely truly artificially intelligent. I totally agree with zaphX. I write software and no way would I ever trust my life on any software I write. There are so many variables involved it is literally impossible to get 100%.
Quoted from paynemic:But we don’t need 100%. We have to at least maintain a comparable standard against human driving. And as someone said above, it’s a low bar.
Are you kidding? You seriously think a self driving car only needs low standards since some people don't drive well!? Wow, I don't know what to say about that other than I think it's safe to say the vast majority of people will not accept that.
Quoted from Aurich:Over at my day job we just reviewed the new electric Ford F-150
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2022/05/the-most-important-ev-of-the-decade-we-drive-the-f-150-lightning/
If I was in the market for a truck like this it feels like a no brainer. The frunk (ugh hate that word) alone is such a huge value add. It's bigger than the trunk on my coupe.
I personally find politicizing ICE vs EV incredibly tedious. Does everything about our lives have to revolve around tribes?
But, that said, I agree with our car editor that this is an important vehicle to cross over into another kind of buyer who wasn't looking at Teslas.
Doesn't make too much sense to me but sounds like it's well received. It seems like most truck buyers would want a more serious truck and most ev buyers don't need a truck. The extra storage is pretty nice. That's the one bad thing about a truck - there is no where to store valuables securely.
Quoted from Aurich:I don't understand what you mean here honestly.
I mean, it's literally the best selling truck, so I don't think "most truck buyers want a more serious truck" really makes sense? There are other truck needs, for sure, but this is an incredibly popular version.
And "most EV buyers don't need a truck" is also a strange sentence to me. What does that mean? Like, if I was a truck driver, paying current pump prices, and I could have the same truck experience but with cheaper electricity, a frunk to store my tools and stuff safely, and the added bonus of things like powering said tools off my truck at the work site, how does that not sound at least interesting?
I think the point here is "most EV buyers" is an idea that's aging into irrelevance. When it was Tesla or nothing, sure. But we're growing past that.
My point was that the ev F150 will not be the same truck experience. Ev cars are different and that usually attracts certain types of buyers.
Quoted from Aurich:Sure, you get a frunk and you don't go to gas stations and pay crazy fuel prices since you charge at home every night and the daily conveniences seem pretty great. Weighed against that is the range problem, if you're making regular 300 mile trips you might be a bit more cautious about the charging infrastructure. That part is definitely understandable.
But I dunno what else is so crazy that only a "certain type of buyer" is in.
Calling it not a "serious truck" just strikes me as a strange thing to say. Because it doesn't burn gasoline? Electric engine are torque monsters, I don't think it makes for anything unserious.
I guess I'm just missing what exactly the experience you're referring to is. Most truck buyers aren't rolling coal morons or anything like that.
You cannot imagine why people buy diesel trucks or heavy duty trucks? Ev trucks are not going to tow heavy trailers long distances or drive job to job all over a large city all day weighed down with tools/equipment.
Quoted from Aurich:I agree that long distance hauling isn’t the best use case. Few people actually do that regularly. If you do maybe you’re not a great EV adopter right now.
The electric F-150 will have zero issues towing anything around a large city all day though, it’s a non issue.
Regardless, we’re talking about existing F-150 buyers, the most popular truck, and not people who wouldn’t even buy an ICE version because it didn’t fit their needs.
For some sure but depends on the city. In my home town, it takes a good hour and a half to drive through the general city area of Houston. With traffic, much more. Work trucks may service communities even further out. Add in towing and hauling equipment and I just don't see it working. No doubt plenty of people will buy the lightning f150 who don't do a ton of driving. Already see some dealers charging well over $100000 for one so there must be a huge demand. The idea that you can buy one for $40000 starting to sound like fiction as I suspected. By the time you add up typical options and markups, it's probably $50000+ sitting on dealer lots. That may still be a great deal for some but most people cannot afford that.
Quoted from bob_e:I have a 16Kw generator, It will run my whole house: Heat-A/C, Well Pump, Kitchen appliances, lights, yes everything!
For me power outages can be for a few hours to several days. Fridge and deep freezer are big consumers, no running power cords thru the house
I'm sure it can supply power for the Lights, TV, internet, and aquariums.. does it provide 220v and for how long?
Problem I see is that you would want your ev car to be fully charged in an emergency. If you drain your batteries running your house, you cannot drive anywhere either. That said, those situations would be rare.
Quoted from fosaisu:As you say it's not an immediate problem, but it will eventually become one. I would guess most states will eventually go to a personal property/ownership tax of some kind on the vehicle itself (you pay a small % of the vehicle's estimated value each year as an annual tax, diminishes as the vehicle gets older). Colorado and some other states already do this, so it's workable. Alternately they could come up with some kind of monitoring system based on how much electricity you use charging your EV (which would roughly correlate to how much you're using it on the roads, the way a gas tax does) but that seems like a hassle to administer and people don't like visible signs that the government is tracking their behavior. So I'm guessing most states will go the ownership tax route.
No doubt. Ev car buyers get subsidies and tax free road use on their $100000 luxury car. How is that fair? They should pay a yearly fee based on average values of what other people pay in a year at the pump.
Quoted from ls1chris:we have a hybrid jeep, well 2 actually a rubicon and a sahara. they are fun, and go like hell when you get on it. if you utilize the ev side ( daily charging ) the combined mpg is 49 mpg. the "ThE GRiD CanT HaNdLe It" mantra is a bunch of crap! that only applies if EVERYONE ONLY buys a tesla ( tesla chargers can draw up to 75 amps if you can even get a super charger for home) . almost ALL EV's with a lvl2 charges only draw 32amps, your oven is 40 and between 5-6pm everyday when everyone is making dinner at the same time , no blackouts happen.
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You say that but it is adding more demands on the already stressed grid. I've already seen requests to lower electric use in my area and it's not even summer yet. If ev cars are indeed going to dominate the market soon and nothing is done to beef up grid, I think it's a legitimate concern.
Quoted from MtnFrost:When did life become fair? I must have missed the memo. And big oil is heavily subsidized, which is also unfair.
Well, if you are implying "big oil" is unfairly taxed because they make a lot of money then you should agree with my argument that wealthy car buyers should not get subsidies and pay more in road taxes. But of course that's not how things work. We only like it when we get tax benefits and not other people.
Quoted from zaphX:That is the only explanation I have for the hate and disinformation they spread. Why else would they care what I drive?
Same reason why you are bothered by what other people think about your car and go on a rant. If you love your ev car then just enjoy it. Not everyone has to like the same thing even if it's better in all measurable ways. The thing I really like about cars is variety. Perhaps it's for the best if all cars are ev in the near future. That just saddens me to think there would be no more V12 supercars, V8 muscle cars, turbo hatchbacks, big diesel trucks, or anything interesting. It will just be the same thing wrapped in different skins.
Quoted from MtnFrost:There's always been the argument that for us to move past ICEs, gas has to be more expensive. Some here may know that we subsidize the oil companies - yes, the ones that least need our money. I wish it weren't expensive. I wish Russia hadn't invaded the Ukraine and driven up the prices far beyond what summer does. But maybe the end result is the silver lining. We build our infrastructure at the same rate we increase our EV purchases. I do think having the major car companies embracing electric tech is a good thing in the long run.
For one thing, it's not just oil companies that get tax benefits. The other thing is gas prices were already rising well before Ukraine. Oil prices do not have to be so expensive. The answer is not to just build an entire separate industry at an enormous cost with a whole new set of problems. You complain about oil companies getting money but don't seem to mind companies related to ev industry getting the same.
Quoted from zaphX:With this logic we wouldn't have any product innovations in any space.
I get that you're afraid. It will be ok, I promise.
No innovation? There is plenty of innovation in the open market. What is this whole attitude that any criticism is completely out of fear, resistance to change, flat earth, etc? Can a guy just have a problem with all the spending and the government being 30 trillion dollars in debt and rising? I guess nobody cares as long as you stick it to the evil "big oil" who actually produces something vital to this nation. In the end, I don't see the difference if one guy drives an ice car and another guy an ev. Both have an initial cost, cost of ownership, and neither lasts forever. One could be arguably better than the other but in the end they are both just cars. Both will get you where you need to be. Most people can barely put food on the table these days so it makes little difference to them what range your ev gets or how fast it is.
Quoted from MtnFrost:I would be very curious 'when' you are concerned about US debt, but that would be going political. Instead, you want to avoid questioning the role of gas producers in our current global fuel shortage because the oil companies 'provide something vital'? You aren't familiar with the concept of price gouging? Record prices during this time doesn't suggest something to you? Giving subsidies - massive ones, to these same companies while they are making those record prices? Nothing about that seems wrong to you, when you are concerned about excessive spending?
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I know the future is electric. I know the ICEs will be with us for a long time, and that's fine too. And I agree we should spend differently, and less as a nation. But I can't go political here. I suggest we could do a lot to bring America up to the standards other first world countries enjoy, and gaze in puzzlement why we allow ourselves to suffer.
You honestly think "big oil" just picks a price and the whole entire world goes along with it? I don't even know where to begin with that. It's obvious you have a bias for whatever reason.
I couldn't care less about the so called standards of other countries. All countries are different with their own problems. Even if every car on the road was ev, what difference would that make to the average person? Less time pumping gas and more gadgets? Maybe you save money on gas but ev cars cost a lot more to begin with. Ask any person on what their top three concerns are and I don't think you will find anyone where what kind of car they drive is on that list. People are suffering trying to get from paycheck to paycheck with costs spiraling out of control. Nobody is suffering because they are driving an ice car instead of ev. What a ridiculous thing to say.
Quoted from jeffro01:Perhaps this is just semantics but if you could afford an EV currently and chose not to but are paying $5+/gallon of fuel you could argue you're suffering because of your choice. Granted there are a ton of variables in play here such as how much is your electricity per kWh... Is it free due to solar by chance? I get your point though but I think it's much more complicated than you are alluding to.
I can tell you, without a doubt, the cost of diesel has completely changed our summer plans. We had planned on taking a big trip in the motorhome but not now, not with the price of fuel what it is. Granted these are leisure trips and thus we're not suffering but it's certainly keeping us at home.
Jeff
Sure it's complicated. Nobody likes paying high prices on anything. On the other hand, I don't consider it a good financial move spend a lot of money to save a little bit of money. Over the years it may average out but that depends on several factors. I would love to have solar panels, battery generators, more energy efficient windows, fancy ev cars, etc. I would lower my cists but all that costs money. A lot of money. Those things would be nice but not going to change my life in any substantial way. It's all luxury stuff that few can afford. High fuel prices are affecting all people directly right now. Like you said, you had to change plans and not take a trip. Many others will do the same and overall people have less money to spend. Hotels will be less busy. Destinations will get less visitors. Businesses will get less revenue on top of higher costs and less taxes collected. This is how you start a recession. Changes can be done to drive down the cost of energy to better the lives of all.
Quoted from MtnFrost:I am very interested in those changes. Changes in consumer habits? Changes in the way the private sector operates? Just curious, since there is very little any American administration can do that hasn't already been done.
You think this administration is doing everything it can to lower gas prices? lol. Just like they are doing everything they can to control inflation.
Quoted from MtnFrost:Still listening. And you haven't mentioned anything that could be done to lower gas prices. Same for inflation. Very few levers. But I would love to hear immediate, practical and possible things. But they cannot be ones that damage us in other ways, like a gas tax holiday, which is the biggest funding for our crumbling roadways. So be specific.
So I need to be specific about supply and demand but you can just make general statements? Do your own homework by looking back at when gas was cheap and expensive and compare politics at the time. Same thing for inflation. Prices do not just magically rise and fall.
People have been claiming we are running out of oil for decades. I remember years ago politicians saying get used to high prices because they will never go down again. They did. The energy industry is worldwide and very complex. Things just don't change overnight and a lot depends on speculations. If you think there is going to be political instabilities or more regulations, you don't invest heavily in projects. It's the same for the consumer market. If consumers do not have confidence in the administration and/or the economy, they invest and spend very cautiously. You can simply say that an administration has zero impact on industries and economics.
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