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The “I hate EVs” thread

By paynemic

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#301 2 years ago
Quoted from Pickle:

This!!! Hydrogen has so much potential. It’s just a matter of making it safe so we are not driving little bombs in an accident. And if we can sustain a fusion reaction that would greatly eliminate our need for fossil fuels for power generation.
Also solar is probably the biggest area we have yet to exploit. If we can figure out how to efficiently convert solar energy it truly is a viable option.

I remember years ago seeing an episode of NOVA about hydrogen. One part of the episode showe ICE engine buses in Rio de Janeiro running on hydrogen, so this is nothing new. It seemed like it was working well, but there was some issues with the engines pinging sometimes.

#302 2 years ago
Quoted from BillySastard:

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Even only seeing the first picture it's obvious that the tree was being supported. Otherwise the base of it would have been off the ground.

#342 2 years ago
Quoted from bob_e:

This thread was started by a Tesla owner.... So I will have fun with it
... Now a postal delivery vehicle would be an Ideal EV. with all the starts and stops to each mailbox, local city driving 45 mph or less, most postal delivery routes under 120 miles per day and they never really go out after dark. So night charging won't be an issue. No need for super-duper chargers. just upgrade the power feed to the post office and Bingo. and then get a big discount for quantity night use. These delivery vehicles could be made for 20 grand or less.

I'll go a step further and say UPS (or even Amazon) should go the EV route (Where convenient. I don't necessarily see them being a good option out in rural areas) and add solar panels on the large roof of their vehicles. It probably won't charge them up completely, but it could extend their range.

#350 2 years ago
Quoted from jawjaw:

Not sure about that. It would have to be a large vehicle carrying a lot of weight. All the stops means decreased range. Maybe it would work if you can design routes around range but that could mean more trucks and drivers. Just sounds like a lot more costs in a very competitive industry. USPS trucks make more sense. They are typically smaller vehicles covering smaller routes. Problem is someone would have to design and build specialty vehicle just for them.

Large vehicles with roofs with large surface area for panels and what about stops? Every time an ICE vehicle starts up is when it puts out more of it's pollution compared to when it's driving.
There already are EV delivery trucks. Coca Cola and Frito/Lays have been using them for years.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TechnologyPorn/comments/2y63b1/cocacolas_new_battery_powered_allelectric/
https://www.greenbiz.com/article/frito-lay-rolls-out-all-electric-delivery-trucks-nyc

I'm not a fan of EV cars for the most part, but EV delivery trucks for suburban and city use make sense. And adding solar panels to extend the range is a no brainer.

#351 2 years ago
Quoted from Reality_Studio:

Yeah some offer regenerative braking meaning they use the wheel rotation to generate electricity. This in turn slows down the car so don't need to use the brakes anywhere near as much as a normal car. You have one pedal driving basically which once you get used to is amazing, it means no brake changes and it helps fill the battery. So for example on my Camaro it needed a $1400 brake change after just 1.5 years, my Dodge Magnum SRT8 was the same, needed $1200 brake changes. My Model 3 which also had performance Brembo brakes never needed any brake changes in the 3 years I had it. One pedal driving is another one of those things you simply will never want to drive without once you try it. It can be turned off but that's never recommended.

... Regenerative braking is also useful on downhills, so like on that long downhill stretch when driving to Vegas the car will be generating electricity the entire time while keeping speed. It's a double win, no brake use and you fill the battery, kinda cool to go 10+ miles and actually increase battery charge.

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Sorry, but you're not getting something for nothing. You're only getting back some of the power that you probably used when you went up hill first.

#354 2 years ago
Quoted from the9gman:

your right it won't unless the vehicle is parked in the sun for hours and not shaded by trees. Unfortunately it takes a couple of hours to fully charge a battery that big. Panels on the roof would only make sense for the guy that drives to work ...parks his car in a fully sunlit parking lot all day and then drives home. An array of panels is much better in this situation ....better to have shaded parking made by using solar panels to plug into.

I'm wasn't talking about personal cars, I'm talking about EV delivery vehicles. This would only extend their charge, not charge the vehicle up completely. I don't think even an average cross-over or van would get much advantage from this. But look at the roof of a UPS truck. Lots of area, and they're outdoors all the time while in use. Solar panel arrays for charging parked cars already exist.

#360 2 years ago
Quoted from Reality_Studio:

Of course, but with a gas car you're not filling up your tank on the downhill and most will still use brakes on downhills, you financially lose both ways.

I see. You make an unrelated Jab at Gas powered vehicles because I pointed out the error in you logic about regenerative braking. I bet you even believe that you get 100% of you're power back that way too. It's people like you that help turn off peoples interest in EVs.

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#379 2 years ago
Quoted from bob_e:

UPS trucks have a translucent roof to let light in for the driver. According to an older commercial.

Replace translucent roof with Solar panels and interior LED lighting. Solar panels would probably still provide more power than thelights would use in the short time the were on and provide light if needed on the rarer occasion when Sun may not be out.

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#473 2 years ago
Quoted from jeffro01:

Even if this concept comes to market, which it won't, there literally isn't any place to refuel it... I believe the article said there are 46 hydrogen stations in the US. And people whine about BEV range...??? T

See! This is what I've said about the Hydrogen Fuel Cell vehicles! If I got one today, the nearest refueling station for me is a 15.9 mile drive! Drive 32 (or more) miles to refuel and use up a nifty percentage of your range by the time you get home! EV's make a lot more sense in that area.

Edit: Closest location is 8 miles away, but a15.9 mile drive.

#474 2 years ago
Quoted from mattosborn:

C'mon now... hydrogen transportation has been around for quite a while!
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The fire started on the outer skin. That's mostly what you're seeing burning in the fire (hydrogen burns clear). The Hindenburg stayed in the air nearly half a minute after the flames erupted. Why? Because the hydrogen cells in the rear hadn't caught fire yet and were still lifting the back end up.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/video/hindenburg-the-new-evidence/

#479 2 years ago
Quoted from Jaybird815:

The Toyota Mirai comes with a card for 3 years of free fuel.

3 years worth of fuel that you have to drive a considerable distance to get isn't convenient.

Quoted from Jaybird815:

There is 2 passenger cars already on the market, California is planning on 60 more fueling stations by 25. East coast is in development for a bunch as well. There’s currently 40,000 hydrogen powered passenger vehicles worldwide, most of those in Japan. The whole driving a bomb is nonsense.

Seriously. I live in Metropolitan Los Angeles County. I'm half way between L.A and Santa Ana in Orange County. I'd be refueling two or three times a week and wasting time just getting to a refueling location. God forbid I would want to drive to Vegas in a Mirai (also one of the ugliest cars on the road along with it's look alike Prius ). Hard pass on hydrogen.

#481 2 years ago
Quoted from paynemic:

I think I jinxed myself starting this thread… after four flawless Teslas, my two week old model Y is in the shop! Hahah. Just wouldn’t roll out of the driveway one morning. It had a very polite error message that said to call service. Still being diagnosed.
The good news is that I got a model X for a loaner. I’ve forgotten how cool the model X is. Updates about my breakdown will be forthcoming…

Well at least they gave you a loaner. How long has it been in the shop? (serious question).

#488 2 years ago
Quoted from jeffro01:

Only a lot of freeways in the US don't have adequate shoulders so the car will literally stop in the lane if it's confused... It's a well documented issue in CA where almost no urban freeway has adequate shoulders on either side of the road.
Jeff

Care to site that comment about inadequate shoulders? I drive L.A. and Orange county freeways almost daily. I can tell you that the shoulders are more than adequate in the most part, except for parts of the 110 freeway from Los Angeles to Pasadena. But that was built over 75 years ago.
But I-5 has wide shoulders through my area and has been or is being widened from Anaheim to Downtown L.A. and has been getting wider shoulders. Sounds like whoever is made that claim is full of B.S.

#502 2 years ago
Quoted from jeffro01:

Come up north to the Bay Area... It's a well known thing in the Tesla forums going back to when the autopilot was still running on the legacy MobileEye hardware. Either way, not going to argue with you on this.
Jeff

A "Forum" isn't an proven source of fact. I've been to the bay area many times and the freeways there are hit and miss depending how old they are. It my experiance is that the freeway on the east bay are a lot better than the ones from San Jose to the golden Gate bridge (but not all of it).
But some of them, like in the San Francisco area have the same problem where they were built many yeas ago, and there's no room to expand just like the Arroyo Secco Parkway in Los Angeles (probably the worst section of freeway in California).

Pretty much like the shoulders on the freeways in my area, only the ones on I-5 are now wider in many areas.
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#504 2 years ago
Quoted from jeffro01:

Ugh... I was specifically referring to the discussions that were being had on a forum (TMC) that's full of not only Tesla owners but Tesla employees. Discussions that happened when autopilot was originally rolled out using MobileEye and it was very clear at the time why Tesla's didn't pull over to the shoulder when AP decided the driver was unable to respond. Regardless, that was the discussion at the time and I haven't kept up on it so I don't know why Tesla hasn't addressed this.
Jeff

It seems like Tesla doesn't address a lot of their problems.

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#505 2 years ago
Quoted from Pickle:

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That is one damned LOOOOONG extension cord!

.... okay, I'm going to LEAF now ...

#509 2 years ago

I do want to know if anyone here knows someone who has or has one of these of their own: A Fiat 500 EV.
I have three coworkers in my department at work that have one (recently it was four, but one person retired). They seem to be happy with them.

Also, another coworker in my department has an i3 EV, Anyone?

#520 2 years ago
Quoted from razorsedge:

Pmsl
Yep, EV's suck nads and explode. Just like petrol cars do.
If one believes that, get a diesel ride then?
When the sleeper falls out of the tipping bed, usually they wake up when they hit the floor. Some don't of course.
Maybe the noxious bulls#it gas rendered them too unconscious?. :3
Some are sleepwalking. Others are sleepdriving.
LGB! is just sleeping.

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#522 2 years ago
Quoted from razorsedge:

Why are fuel prices skyrocketing?

Greed. They've been going up since late 2020 and now the oil companies are using the war as an excuse to rob us. It's one thing to pay more because of a war but these Mo-Fos are just gouging everyone now.

#569 2 years ago
Quoted from bob_e:

yes, here is his "plug in" EV wind-skater but it had limited range
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If I recall, they tried the same idea on Myth Busters ... also with limited success.

#601 2 years ago

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#665 2 years ago
Quoted from bob_e:

... no mention of a tezla finishing, I guess they couldn't go the distance.

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#674 2 years ago
Quoted from bob_e:

Brand-New Tesla Model S Jumps 50 Feet Into the Air
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/brand-new-tesla-model-s-jumps-50-feet-into-the-air-everybody-s-speechless-184385.html
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Quoted from bob_e:

from a video I saw on Facebook the driver and 3 passengers fled the scene. the S hit 2 parked cars and several trash bins. Alex Choi posted the video on Facebook. Said the car was totaled found the radiator and cooling fan.
#useautopilot to stick the landing

Oh goody, stupid people can drive like idiots in a $50K EV!

#679 2 years ago
Quoted from MrBally:

I think that one [Model S] cost at least $100K. Maybe it had the FSF (Full Self Flying) option.
Elon said don't rule out a battery powered airplane someday. Can you imagine how many could have been killed by the idiot driving that Tesla?
I wonder if Tesla's own insurance company will cover the liability and replacement cost of the totalled car. Fortunately, the battery pack didn't catch fire and take out property.....

The point is that there a jerks out there driving like this in ALL types of cars. I've nearly have been hit by some idiots on the freeways including Tesla drivers, but not them exclusively.

And as far as the insurance, that should be on the driver, not Tesla. The driver should be responsible, but for driving like that not the manufacturer.
But if and when the catch the driver, insurance may be the least of his or her problems!

#693 2 years ago
Quoted from razorsedge:

Bring back the deridgables. Cheapest most efficient air travel ever devised. Which is a major part of the reason that this "old technology" (which is superior) was taken away by virtue of an "accident". Money.

Dirigibles are back and being built by Zepplin:
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https://www.airships.net/zeppelin-nt/
We have one here in Southern California that is a replacement for the Goodyear Blimp.
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It's much larger and defiantly has a different sound to it from the Goodyear built blimps. Imagine seeing one of these airships, bigger than a 747 minus wings, flying at lower altitudes (slower than a 747 but faster than the blimp it replaces).
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#695 2 years ago
Quoted from ronaldvg:

My 2 cents. I drive a Kia EV6 now since november last year and I was not even interested in an EV in oktober last year. What made me change my mind was the range on that car, the speed of charging and the price of the car itself.
I must say that i have solar panels on my roof and that triggered me to look for an EV, because my wife makes a lot of very short drives to bring the kids to everything they do as most of it is just a little too far away or too dangerous for them to do by bycicle. Therefore I figured an EV would make sense as it does not need to warm the engine before it gets to its best efficiency.
But as I was looking at a plugin hybrid, the dealership told me about the EV6 that was about to arrive. It has a WLTP of 528 kilometers and can charge to 80% in 18 minutes provides the charger on the freeway has that capability. Those figures made me buy the EV6 for myself (and a Kia Niro Plugin Hybrid for the wife also).
After driving it for a few months I must say I really like it. My previous car was an Audi S3 but I like this EV6 better. What I was most worried about was the range, but as I can charge it at home (7 hours from empty to full) I most of the time only charge it a few times a week and not anymore than 70%. That give me a range of 300 kilometers (in wintertime, about 4 degrees celcius on average) and that is more than enough for any day for me. Nice thing is that the next day it again is on 300 kilometers, without going to a gas station.
I do not think an EV is better for the environment, but is sure is better for my wallet. Cost is about 3,80 euro per 100 Kilometer. With the Audi S3 the same distance cost me about 11 euro. But also the road tax for the EV is 0 euro. That already gives me 450 euro to spend on electricity. and that is about 12000 kilometer that I can drive and that costs me nothing. That combined with the fact that I already now in March can top up the car completely every day with the solar panels (which costs nothing) it is a real cost saving. Gasoline is 2 euro per liter here! I can truly say I am now enjoying driving more than with the Audi and that for me is a good reason to have an EV.
For longer trips we have the Plugin Hybrid, it does 900 kilometers on a full tank and is a good family car for a good price, but we are really considering taking the EV6 also on longer trips, as charging 20 minutes every 400 kilometers is not a big deal. You need to rest anyway to keep it safe.

I think you're the first person to even mention KIA in this topic. I've been seeing T.V. ads for the EV6 but havent seen one yet. What I do see are a lot of SOUL EV's and recently several NERO EV's. Also been seeing a few Hyundai IONICs and KONA EVs on the road.

#698 2 years ago
Quoted from ronaldvg:

... Oh and it has a warranty of 7 years. I do not know if that is warranty is the same in the US but for me it was important as I can sell it in 4 years and the new owner will have a longer warranty than when he would buy a new Tesla, Ford or Volkswagen, as the warranty is transferable.

Ten year 100,000 miles Warranty in the U.S.

https://www.kia.com/us/en/ev6?chid=sem&ppc=y&aud=&CID=%25ebuy!&SID=%25esid!&PID=%25epid!&AID=%25eaid!&CRD=%25ecid!&gclid=c8bd215bbc081c965ca84360e4c33298&gclsrc=3p.ds&msclkid=c8bd215bbc081c965ca84360e4c33298

But that's also what I got when I bought my 2012 Soul.

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#735 2 years ago
Quoted from paynemic:

Google.
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So is that all vehicles, or ones that are parked and not in use, or charging?

#737 2 years ago
Quoted from razorsedge:

Oh wow really? Lol
"Lets ask Google!?" ... haven't the lemmings seen where google and big media takes you after the death jabs roll out??
A walk down the yellow brick road in wonderland is where google etc. takes you Lol

Either that or Google will direct you to where to buy a car that catches fire instead of answering your question.

#743 2 years ago
Quoted from paynemic:

I’m so glad you don’t agree with my point of view. Honestly. It lends credibility to my side when you post craziness like this. Are you a Qanon believer too?

Word of advice: Keep your Political views and comments to yourself and off the forum. Besides, it doesn't help your "credibility".

#750 2 years ago
Quoted from fosaisu:

My takeaway from the last few pages is you guys need to look into street parking. This eliminates the possibility of your EV/ICE burning down your house. And frees up valuable space for more pinball machines.

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#756 2 years ago

B.S. Then what was the "Q-Anon" comment all about? Screen Shot 2022-04-06 at 12.09.00 AM (resized).pngScreen Shot 2022-04-06 at 12.09.00 AM (resized).png
You're the one who's dealing in fiction and dealing in complete fantasy if you believe that wasn't a political swipe.

... you know what, just keep going ahead with that until you get this topic closed.

#758 2 years ago
Quoted from Neal_W:

But what is the risk of real pinball vs virtual pinball starting the garage on fire?
I don't care about 100s of titles in one cab! I'm a purist and only play the genuine coil smoking, plastic melting, fuse blowing, transistor burning type of pinball.

It's only a risk if you play virtual pinball in your garage.

#761 2 years ago
Quoted from bob_e:

A fleet of Electric cars lined up and ready to go
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And no charging required!

#770 2 years ago
Quoted from Reznnate:

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"LOOK OUT! Ready Killowatt has a shiv!"

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#877 1 year ago
Quoted from pb456:

That's not even a proper van. I see no shag carpet or fantasy artwork on the sides.

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#878 1 year ago
Quoted from mcluvin:

It's all about perspective. When you are sick, mass transit is your opportunity to get lots of other people sick too.

So is going to work, shopping or visiting friends and relatives when you're sick.

#884 1 year ago
Quoted from Dawson:

Why would anyone want to sell me a gas car ? The people that drive them don’t really like them

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#912 1 year ago
Quoted from Jaybird815:

This statement is exactly why there are so many people that hate EVs, specifically the people that drive them. It is sheer arrogance, dumb as hell, and just flat out wrong.

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#918 1 year ago
Quoted from mjenison:

Not that anyone cares, but here's been my experience with my Tesla Model 3 Long Range so far:
First off, my use case was that, normally, I drive like maybe 30 miles or so a day when I do need to drive. However, occasionally, I would need to drive 350+ miles to visit family in nearby Iowa. And I didn't really "need" the performance version, so I got the LR. There's a supercharger station exactly half way along the trip, so a stop for about 30 minutes along the route next to a grocery store allows for bathroom breaks, pick up some snacks and any groceries (liquor?) I'd like to pickup for my stay with family. Or watch an episode of Seinfeld while I wait.
On my trips back to Iowa, which, if anyone didn't know, is a very "pickup truck" centric state, I get lots of questions from the locals. I even got approached once while I was sitting at a super charger. I get approached so often now that I've almost gotten it down to a science. The question that bugs me most is "How long does it take to charge?". Like anything, how long it takes to fill something depends on how empty it is. Honestly, I rarely let me vehicle get very empty so it's hard to say, but I've spent 45 minutes at a super charger before, but that's getting it to 100% full, which is not normally required. If people don't know, it takes almost as much time to charge the last 20% as it does the first 80%, in my experience.
Obviously, anything over 5 minutes is probably going to sound rough to ICE owners, as, let's admit, they're used to the instant gratification that gasoline provides. However, when they bring that up, I state something they might not realize; I *never* have to make that 5 minute stop if I maintain a proper charge using my home charging infrastructure, which is 99% of my daily driving around town use case. If people can manage their cell phone charging, they can manage an electric car.
However, I am typically respond with "EVs are not for everyone" when they ask about my Tesla. I mean, everyone's use case is different. I'm not going to convince you to buy an EV if I don't know what works for you; that's on you to make that decision. So, when they ask questions about maintenance, cost, etc, I don't try to sugar coat anything, just give the facts.
However, when it comes to the "Do you like your car?" question, then I can inject my opinion. Yes, I love it! So much fun to drive! The instant torque is insane! The entertainment center is entertaining, the audio system is top notch. But the stuff that I really love is the stuff I didn't even know about the car when I purchased it. Like regenerative breaking...I think I drove back from Iowa once without ever using the brake! One pedal driving is so satisfying. The "hold" feature at stops is cool (no need to sit there with your foot on the break pedal). And the autopilot comes in handy (for all the wrong reasons). Not to mention all the cool things you can do with your car from the app...like, never carry a key or fob for your car again (your cellphone is your "FOB"), preheating/cooling the car before I get up from a table at a restaurant, scheduling my car to be ready and warm at a certain time, in a closed garage. Even the goofy easter eggs that Tesla software has keeps me entertained.
At the time I bought it, I also owned a Chevy Traverse. I was letting my 16 year old daughter drive it. Unfortunately, about 6 month later, she was hit from behind at a stop light, totaling the car. With used car prices being crazy, we shopped around quite a bit. At a KIA dealer ship, they actually had a car within the budget, but it was...an EV! At the time, I didn't even know KIA made EVs, but it was a little KIA Soul EV. It only had a range of about 110 miles, but that was

There are several KIA EV (Soul EV, Niro EV, K6) models, and the Soul EV has been around for about six years. And KIA has improved the range of the Soul EV since it came out (First year model only had a range of 74 miles) As far as fitting a pin in a Soul there is a picture a few years back (2016 I believe) of a soul with a pin in it and the hatch closed.

Now only if KIA would ditch that horrid new "KN" Logo...

#922 1 year ago
Quoted from pinballizfun:

Looks like either knock off of K&N or nine inch nails. It's terrible.

Lot of people on twitter making the NIN comparison.

#925 1 year ago
Quoted from SilverUnicorn:

I'm a little late to this thread but my grandfather worked with a team and made a Hydrogen powered El Camino in the 60's. He worked at Air Products in Allentown, PA as a chemical engineer. My had has the carburetor from the car that they made into a lamp and presented to my grandfather when he retired.
Pretty cool stuff.
Chris

A vehicle that is burning Hydrogen like you're describing is still an Internal Combustion engine and not necessarily clean (but probably cleaner).
Just pulling air in through a carburetor to burn hydrogen also brings in nitrogen and can generate nitrogen dioxide, an air pollution component.
Much of the talk about hydrogen here has been about hydrogen fuel cell vehicles.

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#960 1 year ago
Quoted from DarthPaul:

Your eyes should always be 100% on the road when driving, not drinking, not eating, not playing with your phone, the list goes on and on. Distracted driving is not something to be taken lightly.

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#1005 1 year ago

"Driving 1,000 miles in Three Cars: Gas vs. Electric.
"https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=vXzuFprlyrw&feature=emb_title

#1007 1 year ago
Quoted from paynemic:

Don’t want to spend 20 min. Summary?
My input on long road trips and EVs: it’s gonna take 20% longer than a gas car. If time is of the essence, fly instead.

Don't want to get information, post a comment on a 19 minute video three minutes after it's posted.

Go back and watch it. It's not as simple as you make it sound.
The results on the vehicles may surprise you.
It also says a lot about how your driving habits may need to change and how.

#1068 1 year ago
Quoted from BMore-Pinball:

I really couldn't care less about CEO's views of the products I purchase,
what keeps me from a Tesla is basic quality issues people are still complaining about
Really leaning towards a Rivian[quoted image]

I finally saw one of those on the road a few weeks ago. Bizarre looking front end, but over all looks 1000% better than the Cyber-Truck. Maybe even slightly better than the F150 Lightning.

#1107 1 year ago
Quoted from BMore-Pinball:

... EV is heavier then it's ICE counterpart and causes more wear and tear on roads

Not only that, An ICE car loses weight as it's driven because it's using up fuel. An EV loses virtually nothing in weight as it is used.

#1131 1 year ago
Quoted from pinballizfun:

That's a super high speed super charger.

... and curb side service!

#1132 1 year ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

Insignificantly- your cars weight changes more by bringing your wife with you on the ride.
A gallon of gas weighs approx 6 gallons. Even at 20 gallons… that’s only 120lb swing

It's still a difference, and it doesn't matter if you have passengers in both vehicles the ICE still weighs less in the end.
Why do you think a lot of car companies got rid of spare tires to help improve fuel economy? And a spare tire, even a full size one doesn't weigh even near 120 lbs.

#1134 1 year ago
Quoted from fosaisu:

Having just gone through a side-wall flat and discovering that Honda had innovated away the spare tire in my new Accord Hybrid an replaced it with Fix-a-Flat spray, I would argue that this particular effort at weight savings sucks for consumers. I had to have my car towed (for a flat freaking tire!) and ended up spending $350 to buy myself a spare for next time. Luckily the Accord body is still designed to hold a spare so it dropped right into place in the trunk.
Total weight of the spare and related equipment was probably less than 50 lbs.

Totally agree. When I bought my KIA SOUL ten years ago, I immediately bought a spare tire to replace the "Fix a Flat" kit that came with the car. I've had flat's before, but they mostly ended up being ones where the kit would never fix one. Plus, I do long distance drives a few times a year on roads where there are long gaps without any places to stop. No way in Hell would I want to drive from Barstow to the Nevada State line or through the San Joaquin Valley and not have a spare. Also, I wonder how well that "Fix a Flat" fluid holds up after several years.
I will say at least the temporary spare that I got does weigh less than a full size tire.

#1149 1 year ago
Quoted from RyanStl:

I'm guessing getting rid of full spare had more to do with being able to claim larger cargo numbers and cost savings not passed onto buyer.
cait001 my wife bought a Giant ebike (I think LaFree or something like that) with the first Covid check. She loves it and the battery is still like new two years later and she rides for recreation often.

No, manufacturers were claiming it's for weight. And many spares are stored below the cargo compartment (like mine) so it's not to provide more room.
In fact the compartment for the spare in my car looks to be big enough for a full size spare.

Quoted from jawjaw:

You say that but it is adding more demands on the already stressed grid. I've already seen requests to lower electric use in my area and it's not even summer yet. If ev cars are indeed going to dominate the market soon and nothing is done to beef up grid, I think it's a legitimate concern.

Yup. That's a problem in a lot of states now, especially in the south west where there are drought conditions and there is a reliance on hydro electric power.

#1154 1 year ago
Quoted from xsvtoys:

... So far, no stress on the system as the month of May has been oddly cold in SoCal so far.

July and August say "hold my beer".

But you do bring up a great point. I've already been doing laundry and other things requiring electricity during off peak hours.
Last month, I lowered my usage so much that I got an environmental credit. I didn't pay anything for March, and had a reduced bill for April (it probably helps a lot that I'm at work during the peak hours).

Hopefully people with EVs (and our power grid) will benefit from charging on off peak hours.

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#1262 1 year ago
Quoted from zaphX:

Now you're asking the real questions! I haven't seen anyone haul a pin in an EV yet - post pics folks if you do!
I expect either of the pickups would work:
Ford F150 Lightning $39974 - $95000
Rivian R1T $67500
It is possible some of the SUV's might work...Model Y/X, Volkswagen ID4, Hyundai Ioniq 5....but I cannot vouch for those.

Also Kia Niro EV and Hyundai Kona EV.

#1273 1 year ago
Quoted from MtnFrost:

I would, but in Los Angeles the buses take 4 hours to travel what you can drive in 1. The trains don't go where you need them to go, and for both options, the amount of homeless and other experiences are not worth it. The city was not built with mass transit in mind. Unlike DC, where the trains were awesome.

Actually, it was. there was a great street car system, the GM came in and convinced the city to go to buses and to ditch the street cars. (when my parents came to California in the late '40s my dad was a Yellow car street car operator)

#1275 1 year ago

Actually, it was one of these, not a Pacific Electric one.
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#1278 1 year ago
Quoted from MtnFrost:

I do know there used to be a red line back in the 40s. Didn't know about this one though.

Yeah, the Pacific Electric lines went from downtown L.A. to Hollywood, and the San Fernando Valley, to Pomona and San Bernadino, Southeast to my area, to Buena Park, Anaheim and Santa Ana, and to Long Beach, Santa Monica, Seal Beach, Huntington Beach and Newport Beach.
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The Yellow trolleys mostly served the City of Los Angeles ant down to Hawthorn and north to Eagle Rock. The line my dad worked on was the one that went from eagle rock to Hawthorn.
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#1294 1 year ago
Quoted from PinRat:

My Niro EV is nowhere near large enough. It's just a smaller crossover

Thanks for the response.

#1370 1 year ago
Quoted from zaphX:

I thought I mentioned it as well as the Rivian. With links to the product pages.

Yes, the F-150 Lighning was mentioned a few pages back, but I don't think the Rivian was.
BTW, I still haven't seen an F-150-L but I've seen a couple of Riviansin my area (South L.A. County /North Orange County).

#1376 1 year ago
Quoted from MtnFrost:

I am hoping prices on new EVs come down as the market opens up, at least so those of us who cannot afford 90K vehicles can get in on the action. And only those that can fit a pin count!! My friends just got a Niro, they told a funny story how they went to the dealer with an appointment to buy the Niro, and had to patiently wait for a couple hours - apparently another salesperson had "hidden" the car on one of their more obscur storage lots, because they wanted to sell it. There weren't enough EVs on the lot to satisfy demand.

I pretty much have no interest in getting an EV, but like you I do want to see the prices go down on them as well, for those who do want one.
I might however, consider either a KIA Niro or Hyundai Kona plug in hybrid (saw a Niro plug in for the first time yesterday along side a Kona EV).

#1504 1 year ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

So are lead acid batteries - yet we have come up with ways to manage the cons while benefiting from the good.
Same with gasoline production... raw oil.. etc etc etc
All of these industrialized products have bad things behind their raw materials, manufacturing, distribution, and disposal.
The question is - can we manage them?
It's still better to work at economies of scale than it is to put massive CO polluters in every driveway. Electric generation and distribution scale far greater and cleaner than gasoline does.
Battery management problems are here to stay - even if no one ever bought another EV ever. So you can't act like shunning EVs is going to save anything.. that boogyman is already here and is in every person's pocket.

I pointed out about recycling batteries in a previous post:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/the-i-hate-evs-thread/page/13#post-6823540

#1615 1 year ago
Quoted from MtnFrost:

Very sad, but compared with ICE deaths from various flaws over the years, not quite the same thing. Granted, ICEs have had a lot more time to develop problems.

There are also a lot more internal combustion engine cares than EVs. The percentage of deaths may be lower than EVs that have developed their own problems in a shorter time.

#1620 1 year ago
Quoted from MtnFrost:

I love it! The flying bums!

It's no worse than the roof on the new Toyota Supra though.

#1635 1 year ago
Quoted from MtnFrost:

Price of a barrel of oil in 2014: 120.45
Today: 117.49
Gas was 2 dollars cheaper 2014

You have to also account for the cost of other things going up (cost to ship, cost for energy to produce gas from oil, wages).
Still feel like were being gouged though.

#1661 1 year ago
Quoted from zaphX:

For those interested in real world road tripping data, I chronicled my experience from TX to CA in 2 days here:
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/road-trip-report-texas-to-california-round-trip.11386/
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Back in April of 2017, I drove from Norwalk CA. to Springfield Mo. in my 2012 Soul.
1st day, stopped in Kingman to gas up
2nd day stopped just west of Galup to gas up.
3rd day Gassed up when I left Tucumcari, gassed up again in Sayre OK.
4th day Gassed up in Broken Arrow OK. and drove to Springfield.

Five stops four fuel in four days.

#1727 1 year ago
Quoted from mrm_4:

I park in them with my gas guzzler Silverado, its hilarious. No one ever says anything, accept one lady was like "Hey I think thats for electric cars..." but I said "my truck identifies as a Chevy Volt so its ok" and went into the grocery store. I thought she might go full Karen on me but she just slammed her van door and left.

Quoted from MtnFrost:

What a great way to reinforce the stereotype. I can't imagine the hate you must have for other people. Do you also park in handicap spaces, or take up two parking spots? I don't care, but clearly you do. I wonder if a key finds it's way across the side of your vehicle by someone who is just as passionate on the other side. You are going to lose that fight with the future.

He makes a goud argument for fines for parking a non EV in a EV charging space. Wonder how he'd feel if everyone with an EV parked in front of gas pumps?

Quoted from Ribs:

You sound like an asshole.

Going to point out here that you DIDN'T actually call him one.

Yeah, I can imagine when he goes somewhere and parks:
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#1731 1 year ago
Quoted from mrm_4:

That’s exactly how I park! That’s awesome that there’s a random pic showing it!
I love how EV parking is just as import as handicap parking now. What a slap to those with legit disabilities.
I also like how you say “he” as if I can’t see your response or like you can’t just flat out ask me the question yourself.
But to answer your question if I drove by a gas station and saw a flock of beta males with their man buns and boy purses all parking their EVs in front of gas pumps I’d probably just take a picture and post it on here and say something like “damn these dudes have some balls huh?”

Troll much? Why are you here. You're not providing anything to the conversation weather pro or con. You're only here to insult people. Keep it up and maybe you'll get yourself moderated out.

#1734 1 year ago

Getting back on topic:
https://news.yahoo.com/brightdrop-delivers-first-150-ev-145000272.html
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#1738 1 year ago

Not in this post, but when I saw the story on the news yesterday, they mentioned that the roof of these vans have solar cells to trickle charge the vehicle. It won't fully chasrge the van, but it is intended to help extend the range.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/the-i-hate-evs-thread/page/7#post-6801382

#1747 1 year ago
Quoted from MtnFrost:

I'd suggest we just ignore mrm_4. No sense in feeding the troll.

Aleady did.

#1751 1 year ago
Quoted from MtnFrost:

Thanks girloveswaffles. What's the story with your user name? I've been curious.

It's a reference to Invader Zim.
Originally I wanted to be "GirLovesTacos" on Twitter, but the name was taken, so I chose "GirLovesWaffles" instead because there is an entire episode involving GIR making Waffles. Shortly afterwards I found Pinside and joined up using the same name.

#1753 1 year ago
Quoted from Pickle:

Why should we cater and make specific parking for EV’s…people choose to buy one knowing there are not a ton of parking spots with charging stations….suck it up butter cup. My only issue is put them in the back of the lots….no reason for them to get up front parking. They are no more “entitled” to that space than anyone else.
That’s the whole problem is this entitlement mentality that people get rubbed the wrong way with EV owners. Get over yourselves….all new cars including EV’s are disposable hunks of junk. I don’t care how much technology is crammed in them. They are a means of transportation to get you from
A to B….that’s it. Quit acting like these are high end collector cars because they are not. They have issues just like other cars. At least admit that. Instead you try to steer the conversation towards all the techno trick fuckery self driving its the way of the future and they are gonna save the planet BS. EV’s have a long way to go before they are truly the car of the future.
Can you guys also lighten up and did you stop to think maybe mrm_4 might have been jacking with you guys and stir the pot and have some fun with ya…life is too short to take this so serious.

Do you not realize that when you park an EV into a charging space you PAY for the service of charging your car? It's a business.

#1791 1 year ago
Quoted from MtnFrost:

I agree with you that only active chargers should be using them. That's common courtesy, and you make a good point.

That's why Charge-Point sends you a notification on your phone when your care is done charging so you know when to move it.

#1831 1 year ago
Quoted from BMore-Pinball:

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And now I assume you are just trolling, no human can be this stupid.

No, he's DEFINATLY Trolling.

#1838 1 year ago
Quoted from girloveswaffles:

No, he's DEFINATLY Trolling.

Guess he's still playing "Victim" too.

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#1846 1 year ago
Quoted from fosaisu:

1) Your solar panels should be good for extra power, so long as they don't create too much extra drag or add too much extra weight. That seems like more of a cost/durability issue than anything.
2) Your turbines and windmills should be able to capture some ambient wind power when the car is parked, so that would generate extra power too.
3) The problem arises if you're trying to increase your total battery charge by driving around (i.e. you want perpetual motion). The key difference is that you are the one generating the "wind" that will power your turbines by moving your car through the air. You're spending energy to "create" that wind, not just passively capturing wind that Mother Earth has thoughtfully generated for you. And your wind turbines and windmills intentionally create drag/wind resistance in order to generate electricity -- that's precisely what they're designed to do. You "create" the wind by moving your car through the air, they "resist" the wind with their blades, and that resistance causes the blades to spin and generate electricity. If you "streamline" them to reduce the wind resistance, you'll also be reducing the amount of energy they can generate (because they need wind resistance to function). None of this matters for a stationary windmill where you aren't spending energy to "create" the wind and therefore don't have to worry about the drag effect your windmill has on the system. But on a moving vehicle they'll always cost you more in drag-related energy loses than they can generate in electricity.
4) I don't see the value in the second battery -- it doesn't solve your perpetual motion problem, and it would seem about as useful as an auxiliary gas tank. Which was great for the absent-minded in its day, but is no longer necessary since your car can now literally yell at you when it's time to refill/charge your car.

Quoted from snakesnsparklers:

Not plausible. It is impossible to gain 10 miles from this setup if it only "costs" 5.4 miles in range. Again and again you keep proposing perpetual motion machines. Give it up man.

Quoted from fosaisu:

Only if they refuse to report to the office for 40 hours of in-person work a week. Elon was very clear about the consequences for that ...

Quoted from snakesnsparklers:

More than what the fan will provide in output.

Just quit feeding the Troll.

#1867 1 year ago
Quoted from UnnDunn:

Just picked up this 2022 Hyundai Kona Electric Limited. Super stoked about it. It’s going to cost me $9 to fully charge this thing on the street at night in NYC. $9! That’s just bonkers! It cost $65 to fill up my previous car, for roughly the same amount of miles.
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A few weeks back I saw one of these in the lane next to me along side a KIA Niro plug in hybrid that was in front of me. First time I'd seen either of those models.

Like the color BTW.

#1904 1 year ago
Quoted from DarthPaul:

Aren't you worried about someone tripping over the extension cord?

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#1905 1 year ago
Quoted from MtnFrost:Time to start ignoring a certain poster? It's getting old. If you click on the name, you have the option to just not see posts from them. I just did, suggest this might be the way.

Way past time if we're still talking about the same troll.

#1964 1 year ago
Quoted from MtnFrost:

Same here. It's much nicer to only see the sane part

You can kind of figure out what (Ignored User) is posting just by the replies.

#1965 1 year ago
Quoted from MtnFrost:

I've lived off an on in LA for 30+ years, and thanks to our smog checks, vehicle requirements, increased MPG standards, the level of pollution we have has been reduced so much. And that is even more dramatic if you see pics of LA in the 70s. Nothing wrong with moving toward cleaner air and less noise. In the discussions, let's not lose focus on why.
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If you want to see how bad the air was in the early eighties, just watch Tron, and go to the end of the movie where Flynn arrives on a helicopter at Encom (the TransAmerica building in real life) and look at the sky as the camera pans to the south.

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#1968 1 year ago

Looks like he got triggered again.
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I didn't take long.

Quoted from MtnFrost:

It's actually kind of fun to make up what was said. In a funny voice.

I'm thinking Daffy Duck.

#1974 1 year ago

I'm getting tired of scrolling thru "Ignored User Post" bars instead of posts.

#1993 1 year ago
Quoted from MtnFrost:

I guess I'm puzzled. ... How about fairie dust instead?...

Are we going to start discussing mining Faerie dust now? Will there be another Spin off of Gold Rush on Discovery Channel?

#2000 1 year ago
Quoted from bob_e:

I thought Unicorns farted Fairy dust...
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#2001 1 year ago
Quoted from zaphX:

If EV cars were suddenly erased from the planet you'd still have the same lithium mine.
Because, laptops, phones, even Energizer batteries use lithium.
https://www.nrdc.org/stories/what-keystone-pipeline#exports

...Thermonuclear Bombs ...

#2013 1 year ago
Quoted from zaphX:

How about a pallet of Energizers at Wal-Mart? And those things go in the trash when they are drained.

They can be recycled just like lead acid batteries Alkaline cells and batteries, and rechargeable Li-Ion batteries.

#2042 1 year ago
Quoted from zaphX:

I saw a couple of those on my CA road trip at the charging stations. Really a very cool take on the pickup truck, it has a ton of neat features.

I've seen a couple of Rivians as well. But I've yet to see an F-150 Lightning

... or a cybertruck.

... just going to throw this out here while I'm at it:
https://futurism.com/the-byte/tesla-unveils-trailer-pop-out-solar-panels

#2137 1 year ago

I'm sure people on both sides of EV's will poo-poo this, but this video does cover both the the advantages and disadvantages of EV's vs. ICE's pretty honestly:

#2169 1 year ago

... so a Mazda RX3 engine sounds like the start up sound on a G3 iMac?

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#2411 1 year ago
Quoted from UnnDunn:

I don’t know any EV driver who argues that they are morally superior for driving one. That is an imaginary persecution complex that EV haters use to project their moral superiority. “Look at me, fighting for us poor, beleaguered ICE drivers against those smug EV driving assholes! I’m so amazing!”
But this is a normal human reaction to any counterculture. Vegans, Linux/Mac users, EV drivers and, somewhat ironically, car haters; all get accused of projecting some sort of moral superiority because of their counterculture choice.

Oh, there are some. Defiantly not all (or a majority of them), but there are some that ride in on their high horse and claim that.
There's eve some that make really outrageous claims about their EV cars. I Know one in my department at work that actually believes he gets 100% of his energy back from his dynamic braking.

... a Fiat 500 EV isn't a perpetual motion machine.

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#2524 1 year ago
Quoted from paynemic:

I love reading these well thought out answers to an ignored user’s (likely ridiculous) questions! Haha. I get to imagine the silliness in the original question and it makes me smile.

Let me guess: Windmills and extra batteries?

Quoted from BMore-Pinball:

LOL - I though I was the only one

#2573 1 year ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

And guess what... the regulation we have for gasoline powered cars today... is not what it was when they started either. And I guess that turned out ok for you?
"Thanks for the deep insight Nostradamus".

Reply of the day!

#2580 1 year ago

I see someone is Butt-hurt ...AGAIN:
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Keep down voting all you want. Just shows how easily you get pissed off.

#2622 1 year ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

1) It proves it's feasibility
2) Yet, it happens all the time. Necessity drives purpose. When billions in tax revenue disappears, people will be motivated to implement new methods. Doing nothing is not an option - The need for roads and infrastructure is not going away.
2a) And again, no one needs to re-invent the wheel here.. it's something new adopters gain from copying from existing. It's easier
3) Your cite is again incorrect. You are taking a cite that is solely about SAFETY INSPECTIONS - not any inspections. (I'm also pretty sure it's just your first google hit on the subject). My retort was that many states have regular inspections now, and many more had them in the past. So again, this shows how it's feasible and not some insurmountable mountain.
If you want to stick to your 30sec research cites.. you should include the simple wikipedia visual on the topic
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_inspection_in_the_United_States
So let's boil this down.. what is more likely in the next 10 years?
- States face billions in dropping revenues so they instigate new regulations that generate new revenues by copying existing inspection programs that simply regulate car registration
OR
- States subscribe to building skynet that mandate all cars report all usage activity to the government autonomously without any citizen involvement
Which of these is more likely?

Not saying I disagree with you, but I already see one error on that map. California shown as "Emission testing in some areas.".
You have to get emission tests every 3-5 (depending on the age of your car) in ALL of California for license renewal on your car.
I know some of those other inspections are correct though ( I.E. Texas safety inspections).

#2724 1 year ago
Quoted from bob_e:I'm retired, so I don't have to fight peak traffic, I coast up to stop signs and 5 under the speed limit...if nobody is behind me
No I don't draft semi-trucks of EVs. It has the auto shut off - auto start feature.
Its not that hard to beat EPA estimates without being one of those "hyper-milers"

Totally agree with you. When the gas prices started going up I started watching my speed and cut back five miles an hour when it was convenient and also did the coasting to stop signs and red lights. I also have light traffic on the way to work, and sometime on the way home as well. I've managed to get an extra 2-2.5 miles per gallon on my 2012 SOUL.

Quoted from UnnDunn:

EPA says 26 MPG. You claim 34.2 MPG. That's 31% higher than the EPA estimate.

One time I drove from Kingman AZ. to Norwalk CA. (305 miles), via Oatman on Original RTE66, on 7.5 gallons of gas for a mileage of 40.67 MPG. On a car "Rated" at 27MPG City and 30MPG Hwy.
How? Driving with cruise control and staying a little under the speed limit. Remember, most car companies remind you that "Your Mileage man vary".
The listed mileage is NOT set in stone. It's an average. How you drive can make a lot of difference.

#2745 1 year ago
Quoted from DiabloRush:

Kingman is 3300' elevation; Norwalk is 97'. Drive that route in reverse and see what you get. Yes, downhill makes a HUGE difference in mileage. I do a regular, 110 mile commute that involves about 2500' in elevation change. My mileage varies about 10mpg from the uphill to the downhill direction.

It's not all downhill. There are a couple of places that have steep inclines. Approaching San Bernidino is one of them. Also, I didn't get the same kind of mileage goindg downhill from Flagstaff (7000 ft) downhill to Kingman. Why? Traffic. But I still got over average mileage.
BTW: When I went from Norwalk to Kingman the Previous week, I still managed to get 33 MPG. That included two detours along the way.

#2801 1 year ago
Quoted from MtnFrost:

I found that if you just block one poster here, the rest make it a nice read

Which one?

#2850 1 year ago
Quoted from bob_e:

a 'Slightly' modified PT Cruiser does a wheel stand for 1/4 mile... No real world application, I know of... but it looked like fun
can your EV do that?
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http://nitromike.com/

#2979 1 year ago
Quoted from BMore-Pinball:

How much?
A/c, screens, lights, computer, etc ... are still running - not sure what that accounts for but it's got to be something.
I mean, everything is still running but the drive motors?

It's all range eating power usage, so yes it does count.

#3061 1 year ago
Quoted from DiabloRush:

Stating the earth is "round" is not science. It's the result of an experimental measurement. It has both a value and uncertainty associated with it. Back when we didn't have the ability to convincingly measure this, some folks asserted the earth had different shapes. This was conjecture in the absence of data. Eventually, the data revealed the true nature of the Earth's shape.
Now, stating that bodies in space above a certain critical threshold will gravitationally configure to a spherical volume is a scientific theory. And even that theory (to this very day) has unsettled elements associated with it. To cite just one example, MOND (modified Newtonian Dynamics) is a new theory of gravity offered as an alternative to dark matter theories. To cite another, we're not 100% certain about early processes of dust agglomeration in plantery nebula. There's dozens of others.
So, you get the point. There's a difference between science and scientific measurements. If you assert something is "settled" like "the earth is round", or "the sky is blue", it's almost certain you're not talking about science, but a measurement or label of some kind. True science is rarely settled, if ever. I struggle to think of even a single example. The existence of quantum effects and the uncertainty principle alone likely means we'll never 100% understand anything to a completely predictive state with 0% uncertainty.
Respectfully submitted.

Quoted from DiabloRush:

Yes, stating the earth is round is NOT science. You said it yourself. It's a result, data. Yes, it's measured by scientists. Yes, that data is used to support other scientific theories. But in-and-of itself, it's not science. If you still don't understand this, try it another way. Science (as you learned in elementary school) is the cycle of hypothesis -> prediction -> testing -> data -> comparison -> revision. What hypothesis do you hold that says the earth is round? Identify that hypothesis, and you'll find the science.
And your example of the 3 laws of motion being settled is almost comically hilarious (and equally famous as an example of unsettled science thought settled). They were refuted and proven to be applicable only under 2 special conditions of the theory of special relativity: within a static reference frame and at a velocity small compared to the speed of light. Those 3 laws are predictive only in the special case of a static frame without a significant Lorentz Contraction.* The concept of "time" and "space" embedded in the 3 laws of motion was spectacularly refuted by special relativity, which showed that things like length, time, and speed are not constant, but depend - again, critically - on the reference frame from which they are measured and the speed at which they moved in relation to the speed of light.
And yes, even to this day relativity isn't settled, either. There's a robust debate about whether Einstein's cosmological constant (an addition to general relativity Einstein himself called his "greatest mistake") may indeed be a result of a postulated free-space energy, and hence, an explanation for dark energy and the expansion of the universe.
*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Length_contraction

Quoted from flynnibus:

Or simply put...
CONSENSUS
Agreed common understanding until proven otherwise. A scientist acknowledges there may be something yet to learn... but at the same time also embraces the idea of probability and completeness of the understanding of the matter at hand.
You guys are nitpicking over absolutes.

"Sherman, turn the Wai-Back machine to 300B.C."
https://circus.physics.ucsb.edu/2021/01/02/measuring-the-curvature-of-the-earth-in-the-style-of-the-ancient-greeks/

#3108 1 year ago

Just for the people who are interested in Hydrogen Fuel Cell vehicles. I've seen a couple of these on the road recently:
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The Hyundai Nexo.

#3110 1 year ago
Quoted from zaphX:

I always wondered where the hell you can fill up a hydrogen vehicle.

All I know is that the two closest locations in my area are eight and nine miles away, but a 15+ mile drive to get to one.

#3114 1 year ago
Quoted from MtnFrost:

I've always wondered how the hydrogen is stored to prevent Hindenburg explosions, in crashes. For some reason, Archer's Skytanic episode always comes to mind. "Again, it's helium!" I know they are just as safe as ICEs. But I think the EV charging network is just so much easier to develop and install.

Using fuel cells to power a car is just stupid. You'd be better off using the electricity used to separate off the hydrogen to charge an EV or store it somewhere else.

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#3119 1 year ago
Quoted from DiabloRush:

Fuel cells are not dumb. They have several compelling advantages over batteries. They weigh considerably less and have potentially far greater range. If the problems mentionned below can be addressed, they’ll be considerably cheaper than battery-powered EVs as well. They have the emission and efficiency advantages of EVs while retaining the refueling times of conventional ICE.
The single greatest advantage of a fuel cell is it avoids the thermomechanical heat cycle. Any heat cycle is necessarily limited to (at best) the Carnot efficiency. This is miserable from an engineering standpoint. The most work you can ever get out of burning fuel in a heat cycle is around 35% of the total energy content. Fuel cells routinely extract over 90% of the energy available in their fuel. Even your EV most likely suffers from this. 70% of electricity today comes from burning a fuel. You’re throwing away 2/3 of that energy as heat in the process.
The issue for fuel cells is the fuel. Hydrogen is the ideal fuel, and its been used for decades, especially in space applications. This is more problematic for mobile vehicles. Hydrogen storage (either as high pressure gas, cryogenic liquid, or via metal hydrides) and hydrogen refueling are huge problems to solve. You can use hydrocarbons in a fuel cell just fine, the issue is the reaction products. Methane, methanol, and other hydrocarbons will react perfectly well in fuel cells, but the carbonate products clog the membranes. There’s been progress on this issue, and we may see viable methanol fuel cells in a few years. My own opinion is that methanol fuel cell vehicles will be a viable alternative sometime in the next decade or two.
The other alternative is to produce hydrogen from hydrocarbons on board. This is known as “reforming”. THE killer app for EV application would be on-board reforming of gasoline powering fuel cells. This would use existing infrastructure, dramatically increase fuel efficiency, have zero emissions, and be potentially far cheaper than battery packs. Unfortunately, reforming has its own issues. At present, it requires high-temperature catalysts that themselves are inefficient to heat. Work on ambient temperature catalysis for reforming is making progress, and this may become viable in the future.
In sum, there are good reasons nearly every major car company continues to explore fuel cells. The advantages and challenges I mention in this post are a start for anyone interested in this fascinating area of engineering.

Do you seriously not understand that you use electricity to get the hydrogen?!? Then there's transporting it to refueling stations.
How much fuel / electricity is used for that?
Fuel cells are great for space crafts where you can't produce large amounts of power even with solar cells, but they're nothing less than an inefficient battery of sorts for transportation.

#3125 1 year ago
Quoted from MtnFrost:

Science for the win!

Don't put my Avitar with his Quote!

#3126 1 year ago
Quoted from cconway84:

This is why I can’t buy a model 3. Don’t want people to think I am their Uber.
If Tesla opens the supercharger network to third party EVs that will be huge and force the charging industry competition to improve.

As long as they pay the people who have the chargers on their property:
https://carbuzz.com/news/angry-supercharger-landlord-shuts-down-station-after-tesla-stopped-paying-him-rent

#3168 1 year ago
Quoted from xsvtoys:

Also, as has been pointed out, asking the EV owners to not charge during that time doesn't really amount to much anyway. Because, at least in CA, you get your lowest rates overnight anyway, so why would you start charging earlier before 9? You wouldn't. I don't think EVs contribute much of anything to that 4-9 usage period.
What they really need is for overall usage to drop for the 4-9pm slot. And that's mainly AC. They talk about not doing laundry and stuff like that, but that doesn't really use much. Its AC, man. Mine is set at 81 now. I know lots of people who run theirs at 72 or some even lower. I don't know why they need it that cold inside. 80 is fine, or even 78 is pretty comfortable IMO. It beats 110 outside by a lot.

Another problem in California, Arizona and Nevada is that we have a problem with the Colorado river right now.
Lake Mead is at it's lowest point ever, and is now so low the Boulder dam may not be able to produce electricity soon.
So there's a carbon free source we may not be able to rely on.

#3171 1 year ago
Quoted from BMore-Pinball:

I thought we already solved this by putting wind generators on the hoods of cars?

Is that still a thing?

#3177 1 year ago
Quoted from BMore-Pinball:

we should start another thread for climate discussions "I hate fresh air"

That could also apply to office workers and people who work from home.

#3267 1 year ago
Quoted from vid1900:

I take it you never visited LA in the 70's ?
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California emission standards do a great job in those very dense population areas

I've pointed this out before, but watch the ending of TRON where Flynn arrives in a helicopter at Encom (the TransAmerica tower in DT Los Angeles) and look at the shot as the camera pans south. It looks like the 1968 picture.
That's how bad Smog used to be in L.A.
And We'll always have hazy skies at time, but it's not a orange/brown color anymore.

#3287 1 year ago
Quoted from zaphX:

In CA you probably plugged in while you were at work and drove home on a full tank, leaving plenty to get to the hospital.
Even if it's down to 5% you still have the ~30 miles or so to get there.

I've blocked him, so I just have to wonder how windmills worked in his last post.

#3310 1 year ago
Quoted from pinballizfun:

Apple has about 37,000 employees, facebook about 58,000, google has about 150,000, netflix about 11,000. dozens of charges, yup that's gonna cover it. Like you said earlier who will pay 2x more for gas at a particular station, pretty much no one. Who will pay infinitely more to charge at home when you can do it for "free" at work. Except there are a few dozen chargers for 250,000 people.

You do realize that not everyone is going to charge up their car when they get to work?
Many of those people don't have to drive a huge distance to work even in Silicon Valley.
And not everyone drives to work. Some use Mass Transit.
Even Alphabet (Google) provides employee shuttle service to their offices: https://localwiki.org/sf/Google_Bus
And there's probably a certain number of employees that car pool.

#3311 1 year ago
Quoted from BMore-Pinball:

I am convinced
We ArE nOT ReADy!!!
(and I have no clue why I am typing it like this now)

i HavE NeveR UndestOod tHaT KinD OF TyPINg!

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#3425 1 year ago
Quoted from zaphX:

No love for Taycan?[quoted image]

Not in THAT color.

#3441 1 year ago
Quoted from zaphX:

Not a fan of Acid Green eh. How about Carmine Red? Wish I had this color.
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Much better.

#3461 1 year ago
Quoted from pinballizfun:

Look a tennis ball!

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#3531 1 year ago
Quoted from Brainiac:

I feel like that title should be for KIAs. Or KN based on the badging now. At least there's a Camry engine in lotuses.

Hands down the worst car logo currently on the road. And beyond the IA run together, the K is too wide and isn't well drawn at that.
If I do buy another KIA those logos are coming off!

#3533 1 year ago

I keep hearing that, but I just don't see it.
The Letters in the new "KIA" Logo just run together. The NIN logo letters don't. And the IA "N" doesn't look like the same type face.
It's like saying the R in Tetris looks like the Toys "R" us logo.
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#3539 1 year ago
Quoted from Mr_Tantrum:

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Quoted from pinballizfun:

That is infinitely better than the real one, yet still terrible compared to the old one.

So in other words it only finitely better.

The previous logo at least is readable as KIA, and it looks better than their 1990 logo:
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#3620 1 year ago
Quoted from fosaisu: ... Southeast its floodwater damage and water moccasins in the glovebox.

What? Those don't come as factory installed?

#3632 1 year ago
Quoted from MtnFrost:

"Spiteful Dick!" Seems like a great premise for a non-licensed pinball theme.

Or a new show on FXX.

#3681 1 year ago
Quoted from mrm_4:

In all fairness I didnt spew anything, that dude in the parking lot did.... all over your car... I just hate EVs, I wouldnt mess with them. And before the whole "You blocked spots with your truck! REEEEEEEEEEEEEE" starts up that whole scenario was just a story to trigger people which still rattles you guys to this day. So hilarious.

There you go folks. Two wrongs DO make a right.

#3696 1 year ago
Quoted from vid1900:

I would remove their license plate, and then deeply key their doors with the word "volt"
A constant reminder of their sin, and a few dozen pullovers on the way home.
There was a Porsche that used to park diagonally across 3 spaces on the very limited campus parking. I scraped "learn to park correctly" on her hood
I'm sure her dad was pissed, and after that, she only took a single space

Yeah, I've run into jerks that take more than their share of parking before:Parking like a douche MEME (resized).jpgParking like a douche MEME (resized).jpg
... and I saw this person do this more than one at the same Goodwill Store in Santa Ana. Thus, the MEME.

#3735 1 year ago
Quoted from Mr_Tantrum:

The issue here at its root is not ICE parking in EV spots. The issue is the EV spots being in a prime location and lazy people parking in them because they are open and closest to the entrance. If you want to significantly reduce this type of behavior then the charging stations should be located at/near some of the furthest spots from the entrance (or in a far less convenient location). Not saying people who do this aren’t jerks, but human behavior is predictable. Also, having the EV charging spots in a prime location conveys/implies privilege for EV drivers, which in turn evokes a “You think you’re better than me? I’ll show you!” attitude in some.

They tend to be closer to where they tap for power, and a lot of the time it's next to a building. But not every location has EV charging right at the building or in a "Prime" location.

#3737 1 year ago
Quoted from zaphX:

I've thought about what I would have done if it were me. You guys have shot down my plan of calling a tow truck so what's the alternative?
Lay on the horn until people come out and hope that I get the one blocking the spot?
Park behind both ICErs and block them to charge?
I just wish people weren't selfish assholes.

https://www.takechargeandgo.com/2014/12/07/the-6-steps-of-what-to-do-if-your-charging-spot-is-iced/

#3769 1 year ago
Quoted from smalltownguy2:

It IS possible to have a fueling station inside of a parking lot, no? Are you capable of understanding that concept?

Ever been to a Costco or Sams Club?

#3779 1 year ago
Quoted from pinballizfun:

Sure costco has them all over, same with sams and other stores, they are in separate areas from the parking lot. Put the fuel spot in general parking and you'll have people park there.

Quoted from pinballizfun:

Sure costco has them all over, same with sams and other stores, they are in separate areas from the parking lot. Put the fuel spot in general parking and you'll have people park there. Are you capable of understanding the concepts of parking lots and fuel stations? Or do you also get confused as to why you drive on a parkway and park on a driveway?

Not all Costcos have their Gas pumps in separate areas. Yes many do, but I can tell you that ones I've gone to In La Habra Ca, Broken Arrow OK, And one I went to In Albuquerque had them in the larking Lots. They also had fewer pumps than Most locations.
Are you capable of understanding the concepts of sarcasm?

#3780 1 year ago
Quoted from Pickle:

This…..with the exception of Handicap of course all spots are up for grabs…a charging station IS NOT A PARKING SPOT….it’s a charging station. Problem solved…..no need to create a problem that doesn’t exist.

Yeah, It's not like I've ever seen a Tesla, Fiat 500 EV or BMW I3 parked in an unmarked charger free parking space
... oh wait, I see that all the time. Maybe it's because they don't need to use a charger at the time.

#3782 1 year ago
Quoted from zaphX:

EVs ICE charger spots too.
I went to Cidercade one day - tank was low but I figured I'd charge at Children's Medical Center nearby.
I got there and every charger spot was taken, and every car in the spot was already full.[quoted image]

The company providing the chargers should charge them a fee for parking there. They're taking away business by keeping other customers from using their chargers.

#3800 1 year ago
Quoted from pinballizfun:

Both that you specifically state are in non-parking areas of the lot. See the lack of parking space in the fuel area, there are none. Stick a gas pump randomly in the middle of aisle 2 and people are going to park there anyway.
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They. Are. In. The. Parking. Lot.

This one is NOT:
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#3805 1 year ago
Quoted from pinballizfun:

Nope, there is no parking where the fuel station is. You can claim there is, but there is not. The fuel are is *not* a parking lot as is easily discerned by the lack of parking spots next to the fueling points. Please point out the parking spots where the fueling spots are. I'll wait.

What ever dude. It's clearly in the parking lot area. An I bet you've never been to any of those locations like I have.
But your lack of a sense of humor bringing out the worst in you. so keep on posting those angry posts of ignorance.

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#4215 1 year ago

No love for the Lumia 635 Windows Phone?

#4218 1 year ago
Quoted from UnnDunn:

Windows Phone was my jam. I had like four of them.

I heard they weren't really all that bad as some people claimed. They just didn't have many app developers.

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#4403 1 year ago
Quoted from vid1900:

I know most of you guys are stuck in your USA bubble and don't know this, but inflation is worldwide right now...and they don't have any strangely dressed uncles.
Cuba 37.24%
EU 10.9%
Brazil 10.44%
UK 10.1%
Mexico 8.4%
USA 8%
Canada 6.9%
Australia 6.8%

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#4433 1 year ago
Quoted from zaphX:

I hate to quote Elon, but he’s right…electrons are less flammable than gasoline.

He compared a fuel source to an ignition source.

#4434 1 year ago
Quoted from cliff_clavin:

As a fellow Tesla owner, I would suggest buying a modern spare kit off eBay and leave it in your trunk. Air is great but some flats can't be patched. If you drive in the city all the time no biggie, but on the highway, I want a spare with me!
Cheers,

Good advice, and not just for EV owners.
I've had situations before where I had to use a spare because there was a large hole in my tire from a road hazard.
I do keep a small portable pump in my car for emergencies and have had to use it or help someone who needed help, but a spare tire does come in handy.

#4439 1 year ago
Quoted from MtnFrost:

A spare and jumper cables, plus a basic tool kit and duct tape and electrical tape. At a minimum

A small first aid kit as well.

#4449 1 year ago
Quoted from zaphX:

Speaking of Porsches and hating EVs, I got rid of my Taycan yesterday.
Traded it for this one.
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Looks nice. I like that shade of red on it.

#4475 1 year ago

Whether ICE or EV, it's still:
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#4643 1 year ago
Quoted from Mr_Tantrum:

I don't think he was being literal, but your math is solid. I just went from nearly empty to full on my 19 gallon tank just 15 minutes ago, and while I didn't put a stop watch to it I'm estimating fueling time was under 5 minutes. The station has at least 20 pumps, and I'd say they were half used at the time.

Plus you don't have to wait half an hour for someone to finish using the pump when they all are being used . Now the lines at Costco however ...

#4689 1 year ago
Quoted from Mr_Tantrum:

The one point that I would make is that as of 2023 in the US they are projecting that 25% of our energy will be sourced from hydro, wind, and solar. 25% of US power emission are a small fraction when looking at the world as a whole. Burning natural gas is cleanest possible fossil fuel. For those who recall their high school chemistry mnemonic device Me Eat Peanut Butter, natural gas is composed of Methane (CH4), Ethane (C2H6), Propane (C3H8), and Butane (C4H10) - i.e. just carbon and hydrdogen chemicals. When fed with oxygen during the combustion process biproducts are CO2 (carbon dioxide) and H2O (hydrogen monoxide - water vapor). These are the same compounds that humans and animals exhale, and that plant life thrives on.

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#4690 1 year ago
Quoted from vid1900:

Musky says that all animals hate him.
Apparently, animals hate his cars too:
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A Pitbull Ate My Tesla

But to be fair, Dogs will eat almost anything.

#4691 1 year ago
Quoted from MrBally:

Lyrics (export model) spotted in the wild near Detroit.....
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Quoted from Mr_Tantrum:

I wouldn’t buy one of those based on the stupid commercials alone. What the heck are those lyrics?

It's Lyriq.

#4712 1 year ago
Quoted from MrBally:

Thanks for pointing that out. I typed it correctly on my phone but spell check changed and pluralized it. Corrected.

That's why we need an "I Hate spell-Checkers" thread.

#4738 1 year ago
Quoted from pinballizfun:

says the Porsche guy.

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#4773 1 year ago
Quoted from vid1900:

Musky keeps tweeting the dumbest stuff, and now tesla's stock is down 61% this year.
Will the board have to remove him?[quoted image]

... can't wait to see how he F***'s up Space-X for the Trifecta.

#4832 1 year ago
Quoted from Pinbarclay:

I just think it's funny that post #1 of this equates Teslas with EVs. They weren't equivocal 10 years ago, and they're certainly not the same thing now. Tons of options out there. Just bought a Ford Mustang Mach-E and lovin' it.
And yes, this is my first post on pinside but I seem to be restricted from a lot of the forums So EV talk it is.

Welcome to the Forum!

Quoted from Mr_Tantrum:

Introducing the new Chevy Camero...
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BTW, that's not really a Camero . . . just correlating to what Ford did with the Mustang.

Is that the Equinox EV? Wow. Didn't think they could make the Equinox look that awful (not that the Equinox looks all that great in the first place).

#4833 1 year ago
Quoted from vid1900:

Bullitt was a pretty great movie.
Probably a big inspiration for Tarantino's best film, Death Proof

Bullit was probably probably inspired a lot from the 1958 Movie "The Line Up". It also takes place in San Francisco and has a wild car chase in it. There's also a great sequence that takes place at Sutro's where you can also see a lot of vintage arcade games (also one of the best scenes in the movie takes place there. It was pretty intense for 1958 too).

#4835 1 year ago
Quoted from Pinplayer1967:

Thinking about it, Bullit would make a great pinball machine. Multiball 2 ball max for the chase mode full of high energy 70s funky car chase music[quoted image]

There was no music during the car chase in Bullit. In fact there wasn't much music or dialog in the movie.

#4881 1 year ago
Quoted from zaphX:

My problems with the Tesla roadster:
- Elon
- Price
- It doesn't exist
- Elon

Tesla has their own problems right now:
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#4886 1 year ago
Quoted from Mr_Tantrum:

So is the EV draining battery keeping the cabin warm while charging? If so, I assume this requires a fairly minimal amount of energy?
Also, at least when you're pumping gas you are under an awning the vast majority of the time.

I've never seen a charger under any kind of cover outdoors. The only ones that I've seen "covered" are one inside parking structures.

#4918 1 year ago
Quoted from UnnDunn:

To be fair, this looks like a software issue that can likely be resolved quickly. The question is why did it require a huge cold-snap to reveal the issue?

Lack of R and D?

#4920 1 year ago
Quoted from Mr_Tantrum:

Except for that ugly logo.
I owned a Kia Optima several years ago that I bought new with all the options as at the time I needed a reliable affordable car. I forget what year maybe '04-'05 range when they modernized the body style, but that was the biggest dung heap of an automobile I ever purchased. May have been a lemon to some extent, but it was enough to make me commit to never owning another one in my life and telling everyone I know the same.

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I know if do end up buying a new KIA next year, the first thing I'll do is remove those horrid "k/backwards N" logos!
It's awful on so many levels and not just because of the letters running together. I don't know what is worse: The guy that designed it or the people that looked at it and said "Oh, this looks good!".

I admit that KIA was due for a new logo, along with Hyundai, Toyota, Dodge and a few others, but good lord! This wasn't what they needed.

#4960 1 year ago
Quoted from usandthem:

Start calling them “HOT water heaters”. That’ll really piss everybody off.

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#5021 1 year ago
Quoted from pinballizfun:

It's already stupid for a street car. There is zero need for 2 or 4 second 0-60 times on the street.

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#5063 1 year ago

There's episodes of Air Disasters / Mayday about this as well as several stories about the Airbus 320 and some of it's software failures as well.

(go to the 35 minute mark)

#5113 1 year ago
Quoted from MrBally:

Saw my first Lucid Air on the streets of Las Vegas yesterday. Now that's a nice looking EV.
Sorry for the dirty camera lens....
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I saw one about a month ago in Anaheim. I did not know what it was, and had never heard of Lucid before. I will say as far as EV's go, it's probably one of the best looking ones I've seen.

#5149 1 year ago
Quoted from vid1900:

Is that Keith Moon's daughter Mandy's car?

Quoted from vid1900:

It looks crappy enough to be from Flint, but the palm trees and Terra Cotta roofs make me think cali

https://www.autoconnectedcar.com/2023/01/warning-teslas-cant-swim-sinks-in-swimming-pool-in-los-angeles/
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#5153 1 year ago
Quoted from vid1900:

At least when self driving cars become a reality, I'll fee much safer in my pool...[quoted image][quoted image][quoted image]

Why not just use some good old 1910 tech?
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#5162 1 year ago
Quoted from xsvtoys:

In the yet another reason to hate EVs department, there is a crazy Tesla driver on the loose in Los Angeles. He is making the news almost every night now. The guy is completely off the rails, he is either a complete psychopath or has serious anger management issues. I guess so far no one has captured the plate on the various dash cam videos of him so far. I know that for my dash cam, you do have to get up pretty close to the rear of the car in front to get a good license plate ID. But with this guy, if you follow him and try to video him, he’ll jump out and bash your car with a metal pipe lol.
They are bound to catch him sooner or later, after all they have pretty good video of the guy. They showed another video of him tonight on the news where he was yelling at and berating an older lady and this car valet dude calmly asked him to calm down, and he picked a fight with him and that valet dude looked like he was probably a boxer and clocked him a good one with a right cross, pretty funny.
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/pipe-wielding-tesla-driver-violently-attacks-vehicles-on-socal-freeways/

It's not Tesla's fault that the driver is a violent assh#le. Still don't like the cars though.

#5163 1 year ago
Quoted from Neal_W:

He lives somewhere, works somewhere, and drinks somewhere. I imagine he is a jerk known to many who watch the news and will gladly drop a dime. The problem is that he only faces a fine for damaging property or something.

Oh, more than a fine for damage. More like multiple Assault and Assault with a Deadly Weapon charges, as well as not having a license plate and unsafe driving.
And if he's the true owner of that car, it won't take long to find out who owns a grey Model 3 and who it belongs too.

https://abc7.com/road-rage-southern-california-man-with-pipe-tesla/12697393/

#5172 1 year ago
Quoted from vid1900:

The cops could get a warrant and Tesla could tell them exactly what car was in that location at that time.
Big brother knows.

*Or* they can go with DMV records to find out who owns a dark grey Model 3 registered in L.A, Orange Ventura Counties.
The driver can pull off the plate, but any car sold in CA, gets info sent directly to the DMV for registration purposes.

Quoted from xsvtoys:

...It be that easy to find him without a plate.

Probably a lot easier than you think. And driving around without a plate or a temporary paper plate is a red flag to get pulled over, especially now.
And that dark grey colour isn't that common. A majority of the ones I see daily are white, and then some that are black or silver, and occasionally red or blue.
Dark Grey, I rarely see.

#5175 1 year ago
Quoted from paynemic:

You definitely know more about California than me, but I gotta think there’s a thousand of that exact car in that area?

There are a lot of Tesla's in the area, but it's rare to see one in that color. It's like "Hey, Model 3 Owners, they do come in other colors than Fleet Sales White!".

Oddly enough earlier today I did see one at Good will Computer works in Santa Ana that was the dark grey color, but it had a License plate and was in need of a car wash. Probably not the one they're looking for.

#5179 1 year ago
Quoted from Mr_Tantrum:

When you are spending $60K what's another couple of hundred bucks to customize the color?

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#5181 1 year ago
Quoted from xsvtoys:

Yeah, I think thousands are spent. I should snap a few shots of the ones in my neighborhood as I am walking the dog. One is entirely wrapped in that carbon fiber stuff (I think that costs thousands), another has one of those color-changing paint jobs (at least $5,000?).

There's one I see a couple of blocks from my house that's a color I can only describe as a "Metallic Lavender".

#5182 1 year ago

This is about as stupid as banning ICE car sales:
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#5188 1 year ago
Quoted from xsvtoys:

Had to make a Target run this morning, there is a big Supercharger out front there. Today's count when I drove by: 8 black/dark gray, 4 white, 2 blue, 2 red.
I gave a wide berth to the black ones, didn't want to get beat up
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The one they're looking for is Dark Grey, not black.
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#5192 1 year ago

Maybe it's time we stop talking about the sociopath in this post. It's getting way off topic.
Maybe we need a "Road Rage" or some related topic instead.

#5209 1 year ago
Quoted from xsvtoys:

I think it would consider it, if it only just had a few more scoops on it.

Will these do?
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#5277 1 year ago
Quoted from Fytr:

If you look at the used EV market in say, Norway or other European countries there are a plethora of older used EVs available at low costs. Just takes time.

Note that the ad says " $3033 below market". Why such a big markdown?

#5310 1 year ago
Quoted from RyanStl:

Everyone likes them now.

No, they really don't.

#5323 1 year ago
Quoted from paynemic:

OT but I think it specifically says you CAN eat crickets. If it tastes like Taco Bell, I’m in!

Gillian Anderson didn't have a problem with eating one:

#5336 1 year ago
Quoted from smalltownguy2:

So a car started on fire. Why is this worth posting here?

Because it's something that has happened to several Teslas.

#5338 1 year ago
Quoted from smalltownguy2:

And?
Do you know how many ICE fires there are every year? Again, why is this pertinent?

Do you know how many MORE Ice cars there are than Teslas? Plus 6000 gallons of water to put the Tesla Fire out?

How about ANOTHER Model S fire:
https://www.newser.com/story/322057/tesla-spontaneously-caught-fire-kept-igniting.html#:~:text=A%20Tesla%20Model%20S%20had%20been%20sitting%20in,melted%20and%20burned%20metal%2C%22%20per%20the%20Washington%20Post.

How about the investigations?


Note that this is about Model S and X.

#5340 1 year ago
Quoted from Neal_W:

I suspect if Taco Bellyache was serving crickets and mealworms for protein, then it wouldn't give me the usual DEFCON 1 Rumbly Tumbly.
Also..

If they only did that to replace the meat, you may still get stomach problems from the 61% fillers that are in the "Meat" in a Taco Bell Taco.

"Taco Bell: Home of the 39% taco!"

#5344 1 year ago
Quoted from Fytr:

Here's another! https://www.cbc.ca/news/gopublic/hyundai-fire-servicing-sonata-1.6723164
The horror! Oh wait, that was a crappy ICE car. Well same diff.

Except Percentage wise, how many Hyundai's have caught fire compared too Tesla Model S and X? And your" example was 15 minutes after a dealer serviced a vehicle.

There's a history of Crappy Tesla Model S cars going up in flames spontaneously. Deny it all you want, those models have problems.

#5375 1 year ago
Quoted from razorsedge:

Lol Gotta Love Clown World!!
What about the Model X in 'Self Drive' mode that spent 20 minutes bashing backwards and forward at a school fence, seemingly trying to attack the kids on the other side. Luckily slippery turf near the fence prevented enough traction for a breakthrough of the school fence.
I'm totally convinced it was not being controlled/hacked by some santanic entity. Of course that is impossible, as always.
Astounding how people could 'feel safe' in such backwards technological abominations. Who needs a gun to do an assault when you have a 'self driving' car on the hack cloud, right. Lol

Haven't seen that story, any link?

Quoted from xsvtoys:

We’re a bit safer around SoCal now with a few less crazy EV drivers on the road. They finally arrested Mr Crazy Tesla driver who was randomly attacking people with a crowbar.
Coincidentally, they also just arrested the guy who intentionally drove his Tesla off a cliff with his family in it, he went straight from the hospital to jail.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/california/articles/2023-01-30/man-arrested-after-attacks-on-la-area-drivers-vehicles

#5404 1 year ago
Quoted from titanpenguin:

There will be an entire subculture for Tesla charging station fight clubs.

Hey! You know the rules! Nobody talks about Tesla charging station fight club!

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#5658 1 year ago

... That's a Nissan Rouge ...

Quoted from xsvtoys:

Well if that became real, it would be of far more interest to me than an overpriced Tesla. Exterior is good, but the interior is not great. I would rather see a simpler and more logical dash setup than the 2 glued-on screens. But, that’s probably the way of the future so will have to live with it.

At about $26,500 U.S. (on 3/16/2023) that would make it one of the lower priced EV's on the market. But I wonder how much more it would be with import duties and shipping costs IRL.

#5659 1 year ago
Quoted from BMore-Pinball:

getting closer[quoted image]

Closer to what? Seen several on the road already. Or are you getting one?

#5660 1 year ago
Quoted from altan:

Pinfactory2000 that car is never going to succeed with that self defeating attitude

"It is what it is."

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#5663 1 year ago
Quoted from BMore-Pinball:

just go the email invite to go ahead and configure it
I put a deposit down in December

Nah, I don't want one, but I was wondering what the post was about.

#5665 1 year ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

sorry - that thing's front end is ugly as sin on the road. see plenty of them and I cringe every time.

Got to agree with that. Other than that, it looks nice though. Hopefully they'll change that ugly ass front end in later models.

#5668 1 year ago
Quoted from RyanStl:

Probably was pretty dangerous then with Edison pushing for DC for house power.

AC or DC, I think I'd have been more concerned about the wiring.
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#5778 1 year ago

If you're so worried about L-ion batteries in cars, stay away from cellphones, laptop computers, "Smart" Watches, Most battery powered power tools and the Nintendo Switch!

#5782 1 year ago
Quoted from razorsedge:

Well that brought out all the intelligent comments then Lol
All the proof we needed. Dang, where's that popcorn e-moji . . . I'm going back to laughing at the sidelines for a while. "Tag" someone else is 'it'.
The really sad thing is the lack of morality or care factor. But to be fair, just 'victims' really, right.

Well, Intelligent comment to counter a triad of of trolling Youtube stupidity.

#5785 1 year ago

That is one High Horse!

#5806 1 year ago
Quoted from tripplett:

Major manufacturers like Tesla and Panasonic have already proved batteries can be made without cobalt so no need for that video. Since my comments yesterday were on lithium I watched the lithium video. In the end it asks should we stop mining lithium? And it answers NO.
I took notes on thee video's key points below.
______________________________________________________

...Battery components need to be recycled.
- recycling is cheaper than mining the ingredients and recovers over 95% of the original materials with no loss of their properties. ev batteries don't end up in landfills - the components are too valuable. if they do they don't stay there long.
Researchers are working on new tech to replace lithium and cobalt. Research is needed to make batteries from safe abundant materials besides cobalt and lithium.
- excellent. I mentioned that yesterday.

I posted some videos about recycling recycleing Lithium Ion cells/batteries (also Lead Acid and carbon) earlier in the topic. One advantage is it's cheaper than mining new metals, and helps eliminate other waste as well (packaging of the cells).
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/the-i-hate-evs-thread/page/13#post-6823540

#5809 1 year ago
Quoted from titanpenguin:

As long as it’s done correctly. I had a storage unit years ago that a battery recycler moved in to the next door unit. Destroyed the paint on one car, made the air unbreathable, and annihilated the concrete pad. There was always “water” leaks to my side. Not sure who shut them down or if the property manager kicked them out.

They were allowed to have toxic materials located near residential dwellings?

#5819 1 year ago
Quoted from razorsedge:

Get your Facts right, instead of just drawing from the favourite made up clap-trap corporate 'fakt-chequer' "sources".
You really do not bother to cross check and Verify things a couple of times, hey?? . . just seek out Validation of Crazy.
Once again, the reason the place screwed, too many people Assume they are 'always right' by parroting FaktChequers, yet couldn't bother to Check Any Other Unrelated Sources. Great Psyence!! . Bravo to the fools of the world.

What the actual F** is your problem?!? I didn't post my reply to YOU, it was in response to someone else!
And then you have meltdown and have the goddamned nerve to go ape-shit at ME?!? GFY!
Show me where I Needed to "Cross Check" and "Verify" things in those video's you clown!
BTW, I went through several videos before I selected those three, so yes I DID check BEFORE I posted them. Get over yourself you easily triggered Twat!

#5820 1 year ago
Quoted from tripplett:

How fast people, when proven wrong or faced with an opposing view, will run to personal attacks instead of continuing a civil fact based conversation or debate. So sad.

You should check Some of the forum activity of some of those "fast people".

#5843 1 year ago
Quoted from Jaybird815:

They were pretty sweet [quoted image]

Quoted from Jaybird815:

It’s a le baron

Le Baron was the Chrysler version.

#5877 1 year ago
Quoted from Pinplayer1967:

No shit. People who love taxes are either on the government dole or are just stupid.

... nobody loves taxes.

#5902 1 year ago

Isn't this about the point where you don't post for months and come back months later to troll the forum with your insults and fake information?

#5933 1 year ago
Quoted from titanpenguin:

I don’t know why, but this meme made me picture a UFO with a bunch of little windmills and solar panels on it.

Don't you mean "Solar Windmills"?

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#6153 1 year ago
Quoted from DBLM:

Regardless if you like EV’s or think they are the tool of some nefarious cabal; regardless of what plug you prefer, if the Texas grid can handle EV charging, or how much range you can get under optimal conditions vs 40 degrees vs 12 degreesn one thing, and one thing only remains constant and true:
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#6184 1 year ago
Quoted from Fytr:

...and the past!
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...plus the fact that the only hydrogen station in Norway exploded violently, pretty much put the bullet to its head as a "green washing" fuel of the future - https://insideevs.com/news/354223/hydrogen-fueling-station-explodes/

You do know that the Hindenburg had diesel engines don't you? The hydrogen was used for lift, not as "Fuel".

#6237 1 year ago
Quoted from vid1900:

Appreciate the effort, but I'm not a US citizen, and don't recognize the people.
(Top might be Morton Downey Jr ?)

Here's a better image.
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Top is Robert Downey Jr.
Bottom is Jeff Bridges.

People need to learn to find a better picture when they post it and not use a Thumb Nail pic.

#6239 1 year ago
Quoted from xsvtoys:

From original Iron Man movie. A bit of a stretch for a meme.

Thanks! I was about to add that it was from Iron Man.

#6241 1 year ago
Quoted from BMore-Pinball:

Here we go again ..... once the darling of the left, now ostracized because he is on the side of free speech
I love the hypocrisy

He was never a "Darling" on the left.

#6246 1 year ago
Quoted from JakeFAttie:

actually, i think he kind of was, and I'm hard left. Alot of us wanted to believe Elon was fighting climate change by putting his fortune into an electric car company. In retrospect this seems naive, but he certainly fooled many on the left into thinking he was an environmentalist in the beginning.

I never believed he, or the people who started Tesla were "Environmentalists". they started off by building a roadster that $109,000 in 2008.
They weren't doing it to save the world.

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#6306 11 months ago

From the 4/23/23 edition of the Los Angeles Time:

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#6308 11 months ago
Quoted from JakeFAttie:

well it's been a month now since my model s died. Been sitting at Tesla for over two weeks. They still no idea when the new battery is coming. :-/

Quoted from titanpenguin:

Did you try batteries plus?

Too bad Radio Shack isn't around any more. They had Batteries for EVERYTHING! j/k

#6312 11 months ago
Quoted from BMore-Pinball:

If you don't have access to a charger at home - I would not get an EV

The reasons the writer gave for considering ditching his EV went well beyond home.

#6350 11 months ago
Quoted from Mr_Tantrum:

Today's EV fire . . .
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A shocking video shows a row of electric F-150s bursting into flames after EV batteries overheated and caught on fire.
Those fighting the flames say they are currently unprepared to mitigate the looming crisis that could result from a growing number of EVs hitting the road in the near future.
David Dalrymple, a volunteer firefighter, and Michael O'Brian of the International Fire Chiefs Association say the long-burning blaze starts with the vehicles' lithium batteries and a chemical reaction that fuels itself.
"It's a totally different pathway than most firefighters have to deal with," Dalrymple said.
He explained how the overheated batteries inside the vehicles generate a fire that can linger for hours and is next to impossible to extinguish.
"Basically, it's a chemical reaction," he explained. "It's not a normal fire where fire needs oxygen to burn. This is a chemical reaction that makes its own oxygen. It's an exothermic reaction."
O'Brian said he is concerned about first responders who currently lack training and resources to fight these long-burning fires and prevent loss of life when seconds count.
According to O'Brian, gasoline-powered vehicles can often be extinguished within five minutes and the site cleanup time is relatively brief. Electric vehicles, however, can take hours to rein in because of their unique differences.
"We're now dealing with two-plus-hour incidents, and we can't actively extinguish this fire when the battery pack is involved, so fire crews are really forced with two major options – do we actively cool the battery pack, which is trying to stop that propagation within that battery pack, or do we just let it go?" he said.
EV battery fires also increase the need for upticks in fire hydrant installations, particularly in areas near freeways where they are less common, he added.
"There's a lot of change that's going to be happening, and it's not just our electrified vehicles. This discussion is happening in our buildings, it's happening in the recycling market, and you'll see, as we build more batteries, as we produce more EVs, that means more products are going to be on the road as we move to get these to assembly plants… and our fire crews are going to be continually challenged every day."

Not really a "Row" of F-150 lightnings on fire. Plus, the Story isn't from Today, It's from February 4th not April 26th:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/first-responders-sound-alarm-over-ev-batteries-after-electric-f-150s-burst-into-flames-totally-different/ar-AA1an9X1

And here's what happend afterwards:
https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a43669883/ford-f-150-lightning-fire-that-stalled-production-for-weeks-video/

#6368 11 months ago
Quoted from Pinfactory2000:

the majority of them (Kia's/Hyundais) caught fire due to oil leaks and/or gas leaks.
As I understand it EV's don't have sloshing containers of flammable petroleum products. Maybe I'm wrong.
Your deflections aside, ICE vehicles combust at much higher levels than EV's do.

More vehicle fires over all or a higher percentage than EV's? Big difference.

#6401 11 months ago
Quoted from poppapin:

This guy[quoted image]

Some people cant see the Forest for the EV's.

#6405 11 months ago

Weird ass vertical odometer:
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#6417 11 months ago
Quoted from MrBally:

Goes greta with early Chevy Citation radios......

1963-1967 Corvette say "Hold my beer..."
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#6546 11 months ago
Quoted from vid1900:

Those snowflakes at Toyota.... sheesh[quoted image]

I'm going to assume those tanks in the Mirai's aren't more flammable than the hydrogen like the outer skin of the Hindenburg was.

#6551 11 months ago
Quoted from titanpenguin:

They should call it the zeppelin.

They can't. Zeppelin owns the name. And they're still in business building dirigibles:
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#6598 11 months ago
Quoted from BMore-Pinball:

Thread check - Am I still in the I hate EV thread?

Quoted from Ribs:

Good 'ol American exceptionalism!
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/03/25/1164819944/live-free-and-die-the-sad-state-of-u-s-life-expectancy
-"Some of the difference comes from the fact that we are more likely to drive more miles. We have more cars," and ultimately, more fatal crashes."
-"American children are less likely to live to age 5 than children in other high-income countries"
-"Even Americans with healthy behaviors, for example, those who are not obese or do not smoke, appear to have higher disease rates than their peers in other countries."
-"After looking across different age and racial and economic and geographic groups, he says, "what we found was that this problem existed in almost every category we looked at."
-"Two years difference in life expectancy probably comes from the fact that firearms are so available in the United States"
-"There's the opioid epidemic, which is clearly ours – that was our drug companies and other countries didn't have that because those drugs were more controlled."
-"The researchers catalog what they call the "U.S. health disadvantage" – the fact that living in America is worse for your health and makes you more likely to die younger than if you lived in another rich country like the U.K., Switzerland or Japan."
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Gee, look where the downturn started. Wonder what happened?

#6618 11 months ago
Quoted from titanpenguin:

It’s wiring. Trailer hitch to be exact.

https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/consumer-alert-important-hyundai-and-kia-recalls-fire-risk

Waiting for someone to explain how this couldn't happen with an EV as well...

#6619 11 months ago
Quoted from vid1900:When they warn you not to park your Hyundai Palisade in a garage or near a building, they are not kidding.[quoted image]

Quoted from vid1900:

Fuel
There's a couple of cars in that line that the manufacturer has been telling people not to store indoors.

Not fuel. It's a problem with the trailer hitch wiring. And we're talking about one model, not "...a couple of cars in that line ".

#6621 11 months ago

He didn't. He says "Hyundai Palisade" in his post, and if you put your courser on the picture, it has a caption for the story.
Quit deflecting away from the story when it's pretty obvious that it's Hyundai, a Palisade and the link I posted verifies that it there are electrical problems with the trailer hitch.

#6626 11 months ago
Quoted from Pinfactory2000:

Interesting...May I enter this in the, ICE vehicles being recalled for fuel system/fire hazard, file please? Thanks!
https://repairpal.com/recall/21V519000
As an aside Kia's and Hyndais are kissin cousins so there's that too.

You're Deflecting again. with an unrelated subject.
Try explaining how an EV can't have a wiring issue, possibly causing a fire, with a trailer hitch. Don't just post another "...well what about this ICE vehicle..." instead. It makes you look desperate to defend EV's.

#6628 11 months ago
Quoted from titanpenguin:

100%, as is with all recalls. More pointing out the irony of a hybrid car having a fuel leak caused by the battery.

Even from you're post you indicated it's the battery cover, not the battery. Remember when the "New Beetle" came out there was a voluntary recall for a problem with wires rubbing against a surface an wearing the insulation down. No fires, some service techs caught it.

#6632 11 months ago
Quoted from Pinfactory2000:

Oh they can for sure. 100%.
At least we agree that ICE vehicles can have electrical AND gas fires. *cheers*

... and EV fires are a LOT harder to put out! "Cheers" to Lithium Ion Batteries!

#6633 11 months ago
Quoted from vid1900:

it's the Hyundai Palisade and Kia Telluride
.

Pretty much the same vehicle. Now explain tome how a wiring problem on an EV with a trailer hitch can't catch fire as well.

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#6638 11 months ago
Quoted from Pinfactory2000:

Not sure I care if its a gas tank exploding in my garage or a battery but luckily vehicle fires rarely happen so the whole discussion is silly to begin with. But scare tactics are nothing new when something threatens the status quo.

I'm pretty sure that both sides agree parking any vehicle in an attached garage may not be a great idea. So if you feel safe doing it go ahead. but it is a valid discussion.

#6642 11 months ago
Quoted from xsvtoys:

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"BuT WhaT aBoUt PynBalL fIERZz?"

(...nice looking Strikes and Spares there BTW)

#6649 11 months ago
Quoted from titanpenguin:

Stupid question, but how many of you have a gas can, varnish, spray paint, battery charger (lithium, NiMH, LiPo, etc.) or anything else flammable in your garage?

Not really a stupid question.

I keep that stuff away from the house.

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#6744 10 months ago
Quoted from Tuna_Delight:

Meh. Want to be completely free of an ICE.

Fine for you, but many of us do not want an EV.

Quoted from Neal_W:

One answer is that a hybrid is still saddled with all the pitfalls of an ICE vehicle. You still have the engine and transmission maintenance and repairs, such as oil and filter changes, timing belt, air filter, fuel filter, plugs and wires, etc.

They're also saddled with the problems of EV's as well, so there's that.

#6746 10 months ago
Quoted from Tuna_Delight:

Fine for you as well - to each their own. Just responding as to why I'm personally not considering a hybrid.

Fine for you. I wouldn't want an EV anyways. To yourself YOUR own.

#6765 10 months ago

Just going to throw this out:

Saw my first Polestar II yesterday. Nice looking car, but Volvo is going to have to get the price down on these to be competitive though.

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#7310 9 months ago
Quoted from vid1900:

Tow company sent over 3 wreckers and made an instant $1200 from this beacon of fragile masculinity.
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I hope that was $1200 each! they deserve to pay that for causing a denial of service.

#7313 9 months ago
Quoted from xsvtoys:

Not sure if a serious post or continuing epic troll in this thread of trolls

I'm pretty sure he's not trolling. Those things are reliant in most part on oil.

#7369 9 months ago
Quoted from vid1900:

As of Monday, Amazon now has 5,000 EV delivery vans operating in the States.
Made by Rivian, Amazon says that the vans have saved them over 2m in operating/maintenance costs over ICE in the past year
Roomy interior has lots of room for the driver to piss into a water bottle.
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Amazon has a lot of money invested into Rivian.

Quoted from vid1900:

This bus has a much sexier flame

I'm speculating here, but I bet that bus is running on CNG and there is a leak or three judging by the way the flames are jetting out.

#7390 9 months ago
Quoted from vid1900:

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#7391 9 months ago
Quoted from vid1900:

Yawn, they sell plenty of fireworks in Cali for the 4th (except where there is a risk of forest fires), and if you live anywhere near Disney, you get them every single night.
Although, it's always fun to watch a Tesla burn....

Yeah Titanpenguin. Last week I could walk less than half a mile from home to find a Fireworks stand. They're for sale from a week before the 4th until the 4th. Next time check your MEMEs for facts. But we do have the Spontaneously exploding Tesla's though.

#7393 9 months ago

Stating the Obvious there.

#7396 9 months ago

@Vid1900: Just noticed 2 hours later that I didn't upvote your post. Corrected that.

#7397 9 months ago
Quoted from vid1900:

Although, it's always fun to watch a Tesla burn....

Quoted from vid1900:

... and if you live anywhere near Disney, you get them every single night.

Depending on the wind that is. They have to cancel the Pyrotechnics sometimes because of it.

#7443 9 months ago
Quoted from poppapin:

You mean we won't see the my pillow commercials anymore?[quoted image]

The "My Pillow" guy ripping off from the original "Hi Guy" The Late Chuck McCann.


Guess he didn't know the difference between "Hi Guy!" and "High Guy".

#7445 9 months ago
Quoted from Pinfactory2000:

Dunno...always been a budget pony car made for women...Seems in line...

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#7446 9 months ago
Quoted from vid1900:

0-60 in 3.7 seconds is quicker than almost any Mustang ever produced.
That's all it has to "say".
There are only 2 mustangs ever made that could beat it, and those are both Shelby aftermarket conversions.
-
We all remember those 80s Cobra mustangs with 10 second 0-60s, and somehow those "said" Mustang to a ton of buyers.[quoted image]

That's a Mustang II. Also not in the same league as the original Mustang or even the current models.
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#7452 9 months ago
Quoted from vid1900:

Original 1964 1/2 Mustang was nearly as slow. 0-60 in 8.2 seconds.
(we all seem to have these distorted memories of how great the old stangs were, but they were nothing compared to the Mach-E)[quoted image]

Remember the one that got destroyed early in "GoldFinger"? Two months before the car showed up at the 1964 NY Worlds Fair, and on the Car Sales lots?

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#7455 9 months ago
Quoted from vid1900:

Styles change.

"Change" is not necessarily equal to "Improvement".

#7456 9 months ago
Quoted from titanpenguin:They at least have character. The Mach E, not so much. Looks like an 80’s ford escort had a kid with the Pontiac Aztec.

More like a 1970 Fairlady Z, a Beetle, and a washboard.

#7461 9 months ago
Quoted from girloveswaffles:

More like a 1970 Fairlady Z, a Beetle, and a washboard.

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to disparage wash boards like that.
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#7463 9 months ago
Quoted from titanpenguin:

I do hope they fix the battery size/wheelbase issue we currently have. It’s the reason why all cars are 4d, suv/crossover, and trucks.

Uh, I'm pretty sure the reason most of them are Four doors is the same reason most cars are four door. They're cheaper to insure and considered safer if you seat four or more people.

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