I’m new to this tread. After sampling the hypocrisy & religious fervor of the EV clerics, I’m outta here.

There’s a point of regulatory capture where government agencies become made up of pro industry stooges and zealots, not industry watchdogs looking out for the consumer and the environment.
That’s right around the corner for EV’s, if not here already.
Trains, planes, military, nuclear, auto & pharma (just to name a few) all achieved this really neat trick and most within my lifetime.
That’s the only thing that’ll propel EV’s into the mainstay of our economy and it’ll surely have the same disastrous consequences on the environment and public policy.
There’s nothing new and futuristic here.
It’s the same, tired, injurious grab for cash, regulatory controls and power.
Wanna really help the environment...drive an already manufactured, 8-10 year old Toyota sparingly. It’s boring and has no status, but study after study shows it has the smallest environmental footprint.
Wanna toy worship, enjoy a good circle jerk, waste money, hurt the poor and lead to the same tired outcome? Go EV.

Yeah, but those ICE cars are being burned for insurance money to buy new Tesla’s…that burn themselves.
Some people just like flames.

But have you seen them in deep blue metallic!!!

I think it’s the name of Jeffery Epstein’s island, right?

Silly flat-earthers…they don’t know their geography

Why does the pro EV community have such a fixation with penises?
Did I walk into the wrong bar?

My own supercomputer fact checked your fact check.

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Morning peeps!

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Why is he standing outside the vehicle like he’s just topping off the tank.
So many things wrong there.

Couldn’t get through more than 4-5 paragraphs. What a puff piece of hard hitting investigative journalism.

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In three years it’ll be cheaply sold or given to someone in the department as they again reach for the latest and most expensive equipment they can burden their residents with.
When has a municipality ever truly tried to keep costs down?
As I business owner who deals with local governments daily, I can speak volumes about their need to waste tax dollars, not save.

Since you like cartoons

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Here’s a scientific response to your query

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Got kind of distracted

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Morning!

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Speaking as a Pinsider who has never interacted with @titanpenguin, he has been a welcomed addition to this stale thread.

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Morning!

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Has this thread ever touched on the loss of independence, autonomy & freedom of travel these cars are quickly ushering in?

Self driving will quickly turn into no driving & no steering wheels.
Which then devolves into driving on only certain days, time blocks & roads.
Then it’ll morph into significantly reduced driving or only going where it’s programmed to allow you to go…right into no driving especially if you’re deemed an undesirable.
The government hates the freedom traditional cars offer and uses the environment only as an excuse, as they’re the biggest polluters.

Has every freedom loving, former hippie lost their mind and intellectual core beliefs?

I know, I know, it’ll never be forced on us like that.

We never thought our daughters would be forced to share areas with grown ass naked men too.

I guess I just miss Ted K

I guess y’all were rooting for Cyberdyne in the Terminator movies.

Some home thermostats now remotely shut down your A/C if it’s not in the power grids best interest.

Apple will “slow down” your perfectly working Iphone if you’re not using their latest more expensive model.

Your phone eavesdrops on you 24/7.

TV’s now include a forward facing camera.

The first thing police want during an arrest is you to unlock your phone to check your past movements and communications.

That’s not fretting about the future or dystopian. It’s now buttercup.

Some people are placated when their guy is in control. I got news for you. Sometimes the wrong guy’s in charge and you really won’t like the mission creep.

But anyways…aren’t some of those Tesla models shiny? And how about their fine leather stitch work?

You could be a bot

The thermostat remote shut off was slipped into the extremely fine print of a “terms of agreement”. Whoever thought that remote shut off was built into something like that? No one ever heard of it, but bang, there it is.

Non support of older devices is common.
Just try using an old “un smart”
flip phone.

Why does my TV need to watch me?

All the cops need to do is shut off their cams & hold up your phone in front of your face if they’re too lazy to get an easily obtained warrant…after confiscating your device of course.

People defending the indefensible needs of big corporations to data mine your every movement, just does not compute.

That’s why you need a Mopar slant six…
Just get oil, air & gas to it and live your life on your own terms of agreement.

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The Great Panic of 2020 has certainly showed us that, but I digress, let’s talk options and paint colors.

How about my sweet ass 69 Polara with a 383.
4th longest domestic production car ever made and it’s a 2 door.
Notice the factory option cycloptic super ™ light buried in the grill for night missions into Cyberdyne.
All the lights can be shut off except that.

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•false fair-mindedness
•autocratic determination
•indifference to dissimilar ideas
•punitive

With all due respect to the op. This is exactly why we can no longer talk in this country.

You’d do well to remember these rules:

Some people ARE science.

The science is closed after they weigh in.

These people tend to group.

We’re all big thinking, idea men.
I was the first to invent feeding mayonnaise directly to the tuna fish.

I thought this was going to save the world.
1981 Honda Civic with the 240 dollar option...The stowable 49cc Motocompo

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Last year, my little state of Massachusetts took in wellover 1 billion in state gas tax alone.

If you add up all the local, state & federal taxes assessed on gas. You start to see pretty quickly that it’s a revenue stream, not a subsidy for federal coffers.
That subsidy figure is pie in the sky thinking.
It’s the government saying, “we should be taxing your more you know, but we’ll give you a break”
Add all the taxes paid by companies & individuals working in the dreaded ICE sector (10% of the US job force) and it’s staggeringly one sided.

You have to starve the beast, not fatten it.

It’s no wonder with a gauge cluster so daum sexy

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You make my point.

It takes in half a billion in tolls alone.
Add that to 1 billion in gas tax and you nearly break even.

Add car excise tax and car sales tax (just to name a few) and it’s a total windfall for the state.

Did you ever see how much the state blows on 135 miles of the turnpike?

Cars are the golden goose not a cost.

You really don’t think they’re in the business to lose money, do you?

This thread gonna lapse into penis talk again?

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Just noticed the chargers behind the trucks.

I stand erected.

There certainly are a lot of holes in your argument

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Recently I looked into buying a side by side UTV. I needed a smaller model as we have to travel over a wooden bridge and it has to fit on a boat. It was to be used in an island that has solar, but of course no gas stations, so I figured I’d definitely go EV.

Here’s the two models

Polaris Kinetic EV
Weight: 2100lbs
Cost: 24,999

Honda Pioneer gas
Weight 800lbs
Cost: $9,999

Here’s the winner

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66k
That’s a lotta blow & hookers

You left out butane, “the bastard gas”

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Twitter was losing 4 million a day.
6500 were laid off.
Their average salary was 160k
6500 x $160,000 equals over 1 billion.
After the layoffs it started making 3 million a day.

No one in this country deserved to lose their jobs more than those pampered freaks.

They can all “learn to code”

https://www.wsj.com/business/earnings/volvo-car-evaluating-potential-reduction-of-shareholding-in-polestar-85e29826

The fad is finally coming to a close.
It was always so unscientific & tedious to watch.

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This was in that WSJ article:

“Earlier this week, French automaker Renault said it has decided to cancel the initial public offering of its electric-car unit Ampere.
Ford, meanwhile, has slashed production of its electric F-150 Lightning.
Rental-car firm Hertz has said it was dumping about one-third of its EV rental car fleet, replacing the cars with gas-engine vehicles.
Also earlier this week, Tesla—the world’s most valuable automaker—warned of notably lower growth this year. Data earlier this year has shown a slowdown in EV sales growth in the U.S., automakers delaying or cutting back on plans and anxiety rising among dealership owners”

You see, the business trend of the EV is only accurately written about in the business pages of the Wall Street Journal, not that fanboy thingy you quote.

Hell…Volvo’s shares jumped 20% when they detached themselves from their EV division.

All trends are down.
The arc of the product is now irreversibly downhill.

Time to sell.

And this was in the article YOU posted:

“Despite the growth last year, Volvo saw a slowdown in December.
Volvo’s EV sales slipped 16% last month compared to December 2022.
Growth slowed across all major markets.
US electric vehicle sales slipped 39%, Europe 16%, and China EV sales were down 69%”

With all due respect, I have to ask, did you (or anyone who upvoted your post) even read the full article you posted?

^ This for the win ^

Just couldn’t get enough of that logo

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VCR’s came down in price and sold like absolute hotcakes…right before they too ended up on the ash heap of history.

Think of EV’s as central vacuuming.
In some instances and applications, they work just fine, but is it really worth the initial expense and this cult like following?

Sooooo exciting.

Let me get this straight, you can add IQ points and enter the cool city club, just through a purchase of an EV?

That’s some pretty shallow stuff right there.

You might be confusing the height of classical music and lowly consumerism.

Having a Coach bag store or a Rolex showroom doesn’t lure the best and brightest, it just fuels consumption.

Everyone has to remind themselves…it’s just an expensive car, nothing else.