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If this is going to be a political thread about Hunter Bidens laptop you can all f right off.
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Quoted from zaphX:If this is going to be a political thread about Hunter Bidens laptop you can all f right off.
Oh hell yes. Let's stick to talking about REAL things.
Quoted from zaphX:If this is going to be a political thread about Hunter Bidens laptop you can all f right off.
Oh come on, just follow the reasonable logic . . .
- I hate EVs, EV's use batteries, therefore I hate batteries.
- Laptops use batteries, therefore I must hate laptops.
- Since laptops are bad, people who use laptops are obviously bad.
- Therefore, people who use laptops = EV's, and since I hate them both I must discuss them in this thread.
It's clearly just the transitive property at work here. 
On the bright side, all of these posts will probably be removed before we wake up in the morning.
I just think it's funny that post #1 of this equates Teslas with EVs. They weren't equivocal 10 years ago, and they're certainly not the same thing now. Tons of options out there. Just bought a Ford Mustang Mach-E and lovin' it.
And yes, this is my first post on pinside but I seem to be restricted from a lot of the forums 
So EV talk it is.
Quoted from Pinbarclay:Ford Mustang Mach-E and lovin' it.
Great car or not, Ford calling that vehicle a Mustang is sacrilege to generations of Mustang owners and its design legacy.
Quoted from vid1900:There is nothing exciting anymore in pinball, so this thread is it.
Paul McCartney is going to be in the new Spinal Tap movie, so that's something....
I was just about to post this could be the next great Stern pin, only to google and realize... there's already a Spinal Tap machine! Need to investigate further...
Sana'a
Quoted from Mr_Tantrum:Great car or not, Ford calling that vehicle a Mustang is sacrilege to generations of Mustang owners and its design legacy.
Eh... I think they know just what they're doing marketing-wise. There's also the new Bronco and the F-150 Lightning, which even though I'm not a truck guy, looks pretty, pretty good.
It's a 4-door hatchback SUV that looks nothing like a Mustang with the exception of the horse logo. The car in no way conveys "muscle" (inside or out) which is the heritage of the Mustang since it was introduced in 1964 (albeit the third generation was pretty hideous, IMO). Nothing more than a marketing ploy to leverage the brand name. To me it just spews a lack of creativity and/or lack of confidence in buyers adapting to technology without some known model name to entice them.
Heck, I'm not even a Mustang guy. Never owned one, never really liked them vs. the competition, and I've actually never even owned a Ford (I've just never liked the ergonomics of them or the styling in general).
As far as the Lighting F-150 & Broncos go they clearly resemble their ICE counterparts, so I have no issue with those names.
"Nevermind that man behind the curtain..."
On a parallel note, a friend of mine is spending his best years chasing political red herrings down an infinite number of dead ends. I can't seem to detour him even gently back to a path of living and enjoying his actual life. He spends a huge amount of time listening to hostile news/podcasts and attacking the overblown phantoms he believes are destroying America and the children and the freedomses and all that.
Talented, creative, intelligent fella... no joke. But he's not changing course. That 1000-yard stare is deeply baked into his bones. I wish there was something I could do or say but nothing is getting through no matter how sincere. Which is a little bit frightening, actually. It's like the person inside is half-gone. Between topics I'm quietly counting the seconds before the discussion inevitably boomerangs to Here's The Problem With The Other People again. It just goes on and on and on.
The Main Thing with all this is usually something deep within the self. An unresolved conflict revolving around a lack of self-acceptance and perhaps a lack of love... the most difficult of all battles to overcome. It is the basis for much of our empty-headed political quarrels when you get right down to it.
Finding these types of solutions is bigger than simply presenting the facts. It's a problem of being able to *see*... like in a grand metaphorical sense. A big challenge for 'Merica. We're so grimly fixated on old superstitions and cultural resentments and insecurities it's probably going to take a whole new awareness movement to ease us up into second gear... will it come soon enough? Will it be a pivot in the right direction? Or a return to tribal zero-sum misery?
Oh hey... it's the EV thread. I'm not getting my hopes up for a electrified Palisade, so my eyes are on the Ioniq 7. Sure hope it has at least 30.5" vertical cargo clearance!
Quoted from vid1900:It outsold the ICE Mustang, so the public knows what it wants
US Ford Mustang Sales 2022 through Q3 | 36,598
US Ford Mustang Mach-E Sales 2022 through Q3 | 28,089
* Source: Ford Authority (fordauthority.com)
Using basic math 28,089 < 36,598 by 8,509 = 23.2% fewer Mustang EV's than ICE sold YTD through Q3 2022, so the public knows what it wants.
Ford is definitely migrating to the EV platform, but sales are not outpacing their ICE counterparts (yet). If you wanted to cherry pick, you would see that in the month of July the Mach-E did outsell the ICE Mustang by 1,603 units.
Ford looking to build lithium iron phosphate battery plant in either MI or VA
Separate from the lithium ion KY plant they are working on now
Cheaper batteries for another segment of the market?
Feel free to bitch about power density..
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Quoted from NicoVolta:"Nevermind that man behind the curtain..."
On a parallel note, a friend of mine is spending his best years chasing political red herrings down an infinite number of dead ends. I can't seem to detour him even gently back to a path of living and enjoying his actual life. He spends a huge amount of time listening to hostile news/podcasts and attacking the overblown phantoms he believes are destroying America and the children and the freedomses and all that.
Talented, creative, intelligent fella... no joke. But he's not changing course. That 1000-yard stare is deeply baked into his bones. I wish there was something I could do or say but nothing is getting through no matter how sincere. Which is a little bit frightening, actually. It's like the person inside is half-gone. Between topics I'm quietly counting the seconds before the discussion inevitably boomerangs to Here's The Problem With The Other People again. It just goes on and on and on.
The Main Thing with all this is usually something deep within the self. An unresolved conflict revolving around a lack of self-acceptance and perhaps a lack of love... the most difficult of all battles to overcome. It is the basis for much of our empty-headed political quarrels when you get right down to it.
Finding these types of solutions is bigger than simply presenting the facts. It's a problem of being able to *see*... like in a grand metaphorical sense. A big challenge for 'Merica. We're so grimly fixated on old superstitions and cultural resentments and insecurities it's probably going to take a whole new awareness movement to ease us up into second gear... will it come soon enough? Will it be a pivot in the right direction? Or a return to tribal zero-sum misery?
Oh hey... it's the EV thread. I'm not getting my hopes up for a electrified Palisade, so my eyes are on the Ioniq 7. Sure hope it has at least 30.5" vertical cargo clearance!
Gotta keep the masses angry if you want to control them
Quoted from Mr_Tantrum:Great car or not, Ford calling that vehicle a Mustang is sacrilege to generations of Mustang owners and its design legacy.
They will get over it and move on
Quoted from BMore-Pinball:They will get over it and move on
I won't. But I don't matter.
Quoted from Mr_Tantrum:Great car or not, Ford calling that vehicle a Mustang is sacrilege to generations of Mustang owners and its design legacy.
It outperforms any previous Mustang so it’s an honor.
Quoted from NicoVolta:"Nevermind that man behind the curtain..."
On a parallel note, a friend of mine is spending his best years chasing political red herrings down an infinite number of dead ends. I can't seem to detour him even gently back to a path of living and enjoying his actual life. He spends a huge amount of time listening to hostile news/podcasts and attacking the overblown phantoms he believes are destroying America and the children and the freedomses and all that.
Talented, creative, intelligent fella... no joke. But he's not changing course. That 1000-yard stare is deeply baked into his bones. I wish there was something I could do or say but nothing is getting through no matter how sincere. Which is a little bit frightening, actually. It's like the person inside is half-gone. Between topics I'm quietly counting the seconds before the discussion inevitably boomerangs to Here's The Problem With The Other People again. It just goes on and on and on.
The Main Thing with all this is usually something deep within the self. An unresolved conflict revolving around a lack of self-acceptance and perhaps a lack of love... the most difficult of all battles to overcome. It is the basis for much of our empty-headed political quarrels when you get right down to it.
Finding these types of solutions is bigger than simply presenting the facts. It's a problem of being able to *see*... like in a grand metaphorical sense. A big challenge for 'Merica. We're so grimly fixated on old superstitions and cultural resentments and insecurities it's probably going to take a whole new awareness movement to ease us up into second gear... will it come soon enough? Will it be a pivot in the right direction? Or a return to tribal zero-sum misery?
Oh hey... it's the EV thread. I'm not getting my hopes up for a electrified Palisade, so my eyes are on the Ioniq 7. Sure hope it has at least 30.5" vertical cargo clearance!
It's okay, this kind of thing happens to most MSNBC/CNN viewers. Just have to make it a point in your own life not to waste significant time with negative divisive people (excludes following this thread, of course). 
Quoted from Mr_Tantrum:Introducing the new Chevy Camero...[quoted image]
Does it “smoke” the ICE version, like the Mustang EV?
I really do think it’s funny that you are offended by Ford’s name decision. I remember, my first vacation in the USA (I wasn’t born here but eventually became a US citizen), California 1993, my friend and I super excited rented a Ford Mustang Convertible. Our own cars at home were a rusty Peugeot 305 and an ancient Audi 100, both 4 cylinders.
The Mustang had a V8!!!! We thought, wow, L.A., Malibu, convertible, Hollywood hills, Mustang, sunshine, wind through our hair (which I still had back then, the memories!), living the dream as early twenty-somethings.
A mile into driving this thing, we stopped and opened the hood to see, if there really was a V8 in there. Yes, a whopping 205 (!!!) HP 5L V8 with the slushiest of slushboxes in that pig of a “sports” car, which made our manual Euro 4 cylinder rust buckets feel like drag racers.
So where does that reputation for Mustang = performance car come from? First impressions for me were Mustang = boring slug.
Quoted from vid1900:The biggest sacrilege to the Mustang was[quoted image]
Mustang: II
Boredom: Zero
Quoted from NicoVolta:"Nevermind that man behind the curtain..."
On a parallel note, a friend of mine is spending his best years chasing political red herrings….
I lost a deep connection with my sister when she started down the same path. I used to think nothing could separate us. Now we don’t talk at all. Her illness was instigated by her church embracing those political red herrings.
And my second car was a Mustang II. It’s ok, next was a Mach 1.
Quoted from MtnFrost:I lost a deep connection with my sister when she started down the same path. I used to think nothing could separate us. Now we don’t talk at all. Her illness was instigated by her church embracing those political red herrings.
And my second car was a Mustang II. It’s ok, next was a Mach 1.
That's really sad, we are quickly losing our ability to converse and socialize with people outside our tribe.
Quoted from BMore-Pinball:That's really sad, we are quickly losing our ability to converse and socialize with people outside our tribe.
I reject that framing. There is only one "tribe" and they are lost to reason. Once you stop basing your worldview filter on a common understanding of what reality actually is, there's no hope.
I too have seen the dramatic impact social media + sanctioned misinformation has had on certain family members, even local politicians who seemed smart and reasoned only a few years ago and now are raving lunatics in comparison.
For my part, I'm not really on social media, and my worldview and values haven't changed dramatically in the last 5 years either. I see lots of people drifting away while I feel I'm still standing right where I always was. 
Quoted from galore2112:I really do think it’s funny that you are offended by Ford’s name decision.
Not offended at all. It's just stupid to call it a Mustang. Even the branding people admit it's an SUV designed for families. I'm just saying they should have reserved "Mustang" for their muscle/sports car design badging. Then again, a guy who previously worked at Saab was in charge of the branding, so it's starting to make sense to me.
"For the first time in its six decades on the market, the Mustang nameplate has grown to encompass a new derivative. No longer a single, two-door model with scores of trim levels, it now represents a family. And the first addition to that tribe—the five-door, all-wheel-drive, battery-powered Mustang Mach-E SUV—is nothing like its progenitors. This presented a quandary for those charged with penning this offspring."
“The big challenge became, how do we as a design team make a double-leap with Mustang?” says Jason Castriota, formerly of Pininfarina, Saab, and American supercar maker SSC, and now Ford’s global brand director for battery electric vehicles. “So not only are we going to make an electric Mustang, but an electric SUV Mustang.”
Quoted from Mr_Tantrum:It's okay, this kind of thing happens to most MSNBC/CNN viewers. Just have to make it a point in your own life not to waste significant time with negative divisive people (excludes following this thread, of course).
See what I did there?
Just saying, it goes both ways. Regardless of sides, it's obviously okay to have opinions and to advocate for the societal ideas that you think are best. However, to allow it to consume your life, your relationships, and your overall well-being is just stupid. Geez, step away from the TV/Radio/Internet/Social Media once and awhile and spend some time outside actually enjoying what life has to offer.
Quoted from MtnFrost:Her illness was instigated by her church embracing those political red herrings.
Similar thing happened to a cousin of mine and his wife where the church leadership actually put a wedge between them and drove her to divorce him (all kinds of issues ensued after that). There is absolutely no place for governmental politics in a true church. If I ever heard any political stance from the pulpit or one political side or the other was publicly endorsed by a staff member, then I would have a serious issue. I literally have no idea what political affiliationany of my church's staff members adhere to. Obviously moral topics will be discussed along with biblical positions, but those should transcend modern day political parties, IMO.
Quoted from vid1900:Those 90s mustangs were embarrassing too, with maybe 140hp of ass ripping power.
I'll take the 480hp mustang EV, thank you[quoted image]
Third gen mustangs were produced from 1979 to 1993, and very few of the trim levels evoked any kind of positive emotion.
For the first time in my life (born in '67), I watched Bullitt about a year ago or so, and I thought both the Mustang and the Charger were pretty cool in that movie.
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Quoted from vid1900:Bullitt was a pretty great movie.
Probably a big inspiration for Tarantino's best film, Death Proof
Bullitt remake in the works, EV Charger in this movie was rumored?
Quoted from Pinbarclay:I just think it's funny that post #1 of this equates Teslas with EVs. They weren't equivocal 10 years ago, and they're certainly not the same thing now. Tons of options out there. Just bought a Ford Mustang Mach-E and lovin' it.
And yes, this is my first post on pinside but I seem to be restricted from a lot of the forums So EV talk it is.
Welcome to the Forum!
Quoted from Mr_Tantrum:Introducing the new Chevy Camero...
[quoted image]
BTW, that's not really a Camero . . . just correlating to what Ford did with the Mustang.
Is that the Equinox EV? Wow. Didn't think they could make the Equinox look that awful (not that the Equinox looks all that great in the first place).
Quoted from vid1900:Bullitt was a pretty great movie.
Probably a big inspiration for Tarantino's best film, Death Proof
Bullit was probably probably inspired a lot from the 1958 Movie "The Line Up". It also takes place in San Francisco and has a wild car chase in it. There's also a great sequence that takes place at Sutro's where you can also see a lot of vintage arcade games (also one of the best scenes in the movie takes place there. It was pretty intense for 1958 too).
Quoted from Pinplayer1967:Thinking about it, Bullit would make a great pinball machine. Multiball 2 ball max for the chase mode full of high energy 70s funky car chase music[quoted image]
There was no music during the car chase in Bullit. In fact there wasn't much music or dialog in the movie.
What I always liked in the Bullit chase was the bad guy driving the black car. As they are tearing ass all over SF, whenever the zoomed in on him his expression was like he's just out for a careful Sunday drive.
The French Connection had a good car chase too. They filmed almost all of it completely off the cuff in the middle of real traffic with no permits. Heck, they actually crashed into an innocent motorist who got in the way while they were filming it, paid the guy off, and left it in the movie!
Quoted from Fytr:I reject that framing. There is only one "tribe" and they are lost to reason.
Sorry, I see it from both sides
Quoted from girloveswaffles:There was no music during the car chase in Bullit. In fact there wasn't much music or dialog in the movie.
And that annoying green VW bug
Quoted from Mr_Tantrum:US Ford Mustang Sales 2022 through Q3 | 36,598
US Ford Mustang Mach-E Sales 2022 through Q3 | 28,089
* Source: Ford Authority (fordauthority.com)
Using basic math 28,089 < 36,598 by 8,509 = 23.2% fewer Mustang EV's than ICE sold YTD through Q3 2022, so the public knows what it wants.
Ford is definitely migrating to the EV platform, but sales are not outpacing their ICE counterparts (yet). If you wanted to cherry pick, you would see that in the month of July the Mach-E did outsell the ICE Mustang by 1,603 units.
Stupid facts
Quoted from Mr_Tantrum:Not offended at all. It's just stupid to call it a Mustang. Even the branding people admit it's an SUV designed for families. I'm just saying they should have reserved "Mustang" for their muscle/sports car design badging. Then again, a guy who previously worked at Saab was in charge of the branding, so it's starting to make sense to me.
"For the first time in its six decades on the market, the Mustang nameplate has grown to encompass a new derivative. No longer a single, two-door model with scores of trim levels, it now represents a family. And the first addition to that tribe—the five-door, all-wheel-drive, battery-powered Mustang Mach-E SUV—is nothing like its progenitors. This presented a quandary for those charged with penning this offspring."
“The big challenge became, how do we as a design team make a double-leap with Mustang?” says Jason Castriota, formerly of Pininfarina, Saab, and American supercar maker SSC, and now Ford’s global brand director for battery electric vehicles. “So not only are we going to make an electric Mustang, but an electric SUV Mustang.”
The Mustang Mach-E and the F-150 Lightning (and the Bronco, to a lesser extent) are basically responsible for a complete Ford renaissance at the moment. So again, I think Ford knew exactly what it was doing and was smart to do so. Better to re-invent their tried-and-true brands than call the Mach-E an iPalomino or something ridiculous and let a great car bomb.
Quoted from Pinplayer1967:Bullitt remake in the works, EV Charger in this movie was rumored?
Going to make for a much shorter chase scene
Quoted from pinballizfun:Going to make for a much shorter chase scene
Did they really drive through 300 miles of San Francisco underpasses during the climax of that movie? Going to have to rewatch.
Quoted from Pinbarclay:Did they really drive through 300 miles of San Francisco underpasses during the climax of that movie? Going to have to rewatch.
Rapid acceleration and speed changes reduce range just like ICE, the difference is it's not as detrimental in ICE and the motor/battery does not fade from the heat in ICE. Go see what happens when EV run hard acceleration repeatedly.
Quoted from pinballizfun:Rapid acceleration and speed changes reduce range just like ICE, the difference is it's not as detrimental in ICE and the motor/battery does not fade from the heat in ICE. Go see what happens when EV run hard acceleration repeatedly.
They go 280 miles instead of 300?
Real talk: I’ve been driving EVs since 2011. I don’t have anxiety or paranoia about range anymore.
Quoted from pinballizfun:Rapid acceleration and speed changes reduce range just like ICE, the difference is it's not as detrimental in ICE and the motor/battery does not fade from the heat in ICE. Go see what happens when EV run hard acceleration repeatedly.
Yeah, but can and EV lose move than 4 hubcaps in a chase scene? I didn't think so.
Quoted from girloveswaffles:Is that the Equinox EV?
Yes, it is.
Quoted from girloveswaffles:There was no music during the car chase in Bullit. In fact there wasn't much music or dialog in the movie.
The fax machine scene really cracked me up. Probably cutting edge tech back then.
Quoted from Pinbarclay:They go 280 miles instead of 300?
Real talk: I’ve been driving EVs since 2011. I don’t have anxiety or paranoia about range anymore.
Not even close, closest thing you'll get to a car chase is a track day as comparison. https://www.google.com/amp/s/totallyev.net/how-to-modify-your-electric-vehicle-for-a-track-day/%3famp
Quoted from Mr_Tantrum:Yeah, but can and EV lose move than 4 hubcaps in a chase scene? I didn't think so.
No, but if you drive through St. Louis and ask for directions, you're liable to have your 4 hubcaps stolen and have “honky lips” spray painted onto your green pea metallic Wagon Queen Family Truckster.
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