I don't get this part. Why is a separate meter needed? As I posted previously, our local power company already offers a special rate for EV owners which applies in the off-peak times. No separate meter needed. I guess you have to prove to them somehow that you do have an EV. However, that TOU (Time of Use) plan isn't all roses, as you specifically have to pay a higher rate than everyone else for the critical 4-9 PM hours. So unless you can cut back your usage during that time, you have to factor that in. This is where having solar could be a benefit. Some of my neighbors say their electrical bill is basically zero with their solar panel installation, even if they crank the AC down low during the summer month 4-9 PM window. So if you have that and you toss in EV charging, you should come out ahead with the EV TOU plan.

However, I will say we have been on smart meters for some years now, so that could be the issue. If you don't have a smart meter then I don't think there would be a way to know what electricity you are using during all times of the day. Then, you would need a separate meter. I don't know to what degree smart meters have been implemented within the USA or elsewhere globally.

The smart meter thing is kind of cool, I can log in and track my kWh usage by the hour for any day.

I thought the spent fuel rods had to spend some time in water pools (on site) to keep them cool before going to dry storage?

In CA we burn a lot of gas during that sad time of day when demand goes up (4-9 PM) and the spinners can't keep up and the solar panels go dark, it is fed into big jet engines bolted to the ground, known as peakers. Most people have no idea that they exist. There are about 80 or so of them in CA

nukes will continue to be slow, expensive, and not politically viable until there is some revolution with recycling or waste handling. The green shift isn't going to tackle those issue - so short of some new cycle... it's politically dead.

The problem with most fossil fuels is again with the full cycle. Be it talk of fracking, mine safety, or 'NIMBY' - they too will continue to be a struggle to push for up front.

One angle that could help more is more co-ops and interchanges to help get capacity to where the load is. Efficiencies there can in theory help share burdens and improve robustness (so shitshows like Texas can be avoided).

I do wonder if disruptors will maybe try to enter the space...

I don't care about arguing with you anymore. You are always going to be wrong on this. Please repost this whenever it's necessary for a reply.

Not gonna read the rest of your post just gonna assume you came to the logical conclusion that the rich need to actually pay way more in taxes lest we build a society comfortable for a top 10% and barely livable for the rest great idea!

Oh hell yes it does. Whenever you discuss taxes, you must ALWAYS refer to the tax in the reference of what percentage of income is being paid, to get a clear picture of the true burden on the taxpayer. The rest of your post made no sense. But on this, if nothing else, it's important to emphasize.

Let me give you an example. Person A makes a million a year. Person B makes 1000 a year. Person A pays 10,000 in taxes. Person B pays 300 in taxes. Who gave more?

Person B.

They paid 30% of their salary in taxes. Person A only paid 1% of their salary. That's regressive, and it's wrong. And it's why the middle class gets poorer while the richest have increased their salaries by 300% since 1980.

I’ll post as I please, sir

I don't care about arguing with you anymore. You are always going to be wrong on this. Please repost this whenever it's necessary for a reply.

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I proposed separate metering
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I hate the I hate EV's thread.

We need to start a "I love the future" thread instead. Make it positive from the beginning.

Just start an I love EVs thread, pretty sure it would be a completely different tone than this one. Hell I’d probably not even participate in it because I understand it’s a thread centered around loving EVs.

OK fine, take your toucan and drive into the sunset

thank you you made my point its all about acceleration.

BTW my stock 2000 corvette can make at clean pass starting a 55 in three seconds

Who cares, how is it for fuel economy in stop and start downtown traffic? I had a 1978 Silver Anniversary. Love vettes, but I think after the C6 they became ugly. I would love a C3 EV. Can dream.

We need the Aliens to bestow us with a Zero Point energy generator - that would be a game changer

Ford raises the price of the F150 Lightning $6,000 - $8,500 due to "significant material cost increases and other factors”. This will impact existing preorders.

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/08/09/ford-increasing-price-of-electric-f-150-lightning-.html

Wait, I thought you didn't like people who made claims of how fast their car was? Poor boomer - you thought you were special with your Corvette, now any run of the mill Tesla will smoke you. I understand why your feelings are hurt now!

He must feel like it's cheating to roll up in an EV.

I cant wait to hear the "This is Putin's battery price hike!" responses
All jokes aside that is a kick in the gut...

Holy shit you all like to argue.

No we don't!!!

Speak for yourself!!

As much as the guys like to destroy me in this thread when it comes down to it, it’d still have all your backs and be by your sides in a bar fight.

No only 11 states have inspections! No, Skynet is going to take over. Yes, the grid is going to catch on fire. Yes, UFO's exist (oops wrong thread).

In all honesty living in one of those few states that has a safety inspection, if F'ng sucks. Yes, it makes the roads overall safer because you can't get away with a lot of sketchy stuff (at least once every two years when you get your inspection). However, the inspection takes the shops 2 hrs and it's only $20 and change. That means the shops are constantly trying to fail you for stuff they fix to make their money back. I know for a fact I have been lied to a couple times. I just scheduled mine in two weeks, so I have to take time to drop my Land Cruiser off and then pick it up the next day. While there I wanted my transmission drained and filled, but the shop might not have time. At least this shop has proven to be trustworthy.

New York State safety+emissions inspections take about 15 minutes. But they cost $37. EVs don't require emissions inspections (of course), so that's $27 off the inspection fee.

In Texas the inspection takes about 5 minutes and $7 for an EV. There's a shitload less to test when there's no exhaust.

If you live in St. Louis or KC you have to do emissions too. That's super quick because it's a quick OBDII scan to make sure you have no recent check engines cleared. The safety is 2 hrs..

Porsche Beats Tesla’s Nurburgring EV Record With Taycan Turbo S

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alistaircharlton/2022/08/10/porsche-beats-tesla-nurburgring-ev-record-with-taycan-turbo-s/?sh=3146f2dd4a07

Seriously how does one TURBOcharge an electric motor?? there are no exhaust gases to spin a turbocharger

Trust me, those of us in the Porsche community HATE this naming choice because it is absolutely nonsensical for an electric motor.

BTW exhaust gas charging is supercharging, turbocharging is blowing air into the intake.

Have you learned nothing from mrm_4? It’s all in the fans.

Are you saying Procharger, Vortech and Paxton make turbochargers, not superchargers, since they blow air into intakes?

It looks like I am stupid, to be honest.

"A turbocharger takes an indirect approach as it does not mechanically connect to the engine. Instead, it uses the stream of exhaust gas from the engine to spin a turbine that powers the compressor.

A supercharger physically connects to the engine. It operates by using the engine's crankshaft as a direct energy source for the compressor. "

Source: https://www.jdpower.com/cars/shopping-guides/whats-the-difference-between-turbocharging-and-supercharging

Not that any of this legacy tech matters to me. Electric motors beat all of this.

If any EV has the right to claim "turbocharging" as a feature, it's Porsche Taycan. It's the fastest-charging EV you can buy right now.

Ha! You're right, if you're willing to overload the term.

And yes, I've done extensive road tripping in the Taycan and the charge stops are awesome.

4000 miles to CA and back and all were under 30 mins except for a single Francis Energy charger that capped out at 150kW.

Times are changing. Its just too bad cars are eventually going to become the equivalent of a cellphone.

Hmmm at the gas pump is 8000 miles per hour a good charging rate AKA TURBO-charging?

thats right EV lovers my range increased 405 Miles in 3 minutes refueling time

How much did those 405 miles cost you? $50, at least? I put 300 miles of range in my EV for just 12 bucks last night, while I was sleeping.

How much was your EV?

The Tesla 3 long range just became unavailable to order until 2023. Merry Christmas stocking stuffers!

So is everbody in Michigan

Glad I left when I was 4!