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The “I hate EVs” thread

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#1201 1 year ago
Quoted from jawjaw:

That just saddens me to think there would be no more V12 supercars, V8 muscle cars, turbo hatchbacks, big diesel trucks, or anything interesting. It will just be the same thing wrapped in different skins.

That won't happen. Creativity doesn't just stop because we're moving into the future. So much of this is horse and buggy mentality looking askance at the motor car.

#1202 1 year ago

Every Musketeer has made the one and only point every time Acceleration 0-60 in 3 seconds or less.
Every Musketeer has made the one and only point every time Acceleration 0-60 in 3 seconds or less.
Every Musketeer has made the one and only point every time Acceleration 0-60 in 3 seconds or less.

over and over again

And they are OK with the range and recharge times, because I guess it fits with in their life style. And or they have or wil rent another car or truck as needed.

somebody spoke of recharge rates up to 400 miles per hour, well I found that was peak rate.
While my ICE was at 8,000 miles per hour base on 410 miles in 2 minutes and 53 seconds.

#1203 1 year ago
Quoted from bob_e:

And they are OK with the range and recharge times, because I guess it fits with in their life style. And or they have or wil rent another car or truck as needed.
somebody spoke of recharge rates up to 400 miles per hour, well I found that was peak rate.
While my ICE was at 8,000 miles per hour base on 410 miles in 2 minutes and 53 seconds.

A fair point and an accurate one, it's hard to beat gasoline for recharge time.

Here's an alternate angle to consider: unless I'm on a road trip, I never visit a pump/charger AT ALL.
I plug in at the end of the day every day and have a full tank for each day's use.

Given your full time of 2:53, and assuming 4-5 fillups per month, you're spending 11-12 minutes per month standing around filling your car.
Against me spending zero.

So I am 1200% more efficient.

#1204 1 year ago
Quoted from zaphX:

A fair point and an accurate one, it's hard to beat gasoline for recharge time.
Here's an alternate angle to consider: unless I'm on a road trip, I never visit a pump/charger AT ALL.
I plug in at the end of the day every day and have a full tank for each day's use.
Given your full time of 2:53, and assuming 4-5 fillups per month, you're spending 11-12 minutes per month standing around filling your car.
Against me spending zero.
So I am 1200% more efficient.

I drive under 1K per month so twice a month, and in that time I used the Squeegee to wash my windows and or check the oil level. With no post purchase support costs of a home charger. My first job was an automotive refueling specialist and I still pump my own gas. I'm not above doing that.

So you are saying your home charge will take your EV to 100% of capacity over night or 80% as recommended ???

#1205 1 year ago
Quoted from bob_e:

I drive under 1K per month so twice a month, and in that time I used the Squeegee to wash my windows and or check the oil level. With no post purchase support costs of a home charger. My first job was an automotive refueling specialist and I still pump my own gas. I'm not above doing that.
So you are saying your home charge will take your EV to 100% of capacity over night or 80% as recommended ???

Yes, I daily-charge to 85% overnight. Sometimes to 100% if I am taking a trip. Both are easily accomplished overnight even if state of charge is very low.

#1206 1 year ago
Quoted from bob_e:

check the oil level. With no post purchase support costs of a home charger.

I have no post-purchase support costs of checking or changing the oil.

And my charger is a one-time cost where those oil changes are forever.

#1207 1 year ago

"Automotive Refueling Specialist"? So, you were an ARS?

I guess my first real job was a Sanitary Dining Environment Coordinator (i.e. a busboy)

#1208 1 year ago

My home charger cost me nothing. And my "refueling" time (for overnight charging to 100%) is around 6 seconds a day, as that is all the time it takes to plug it in when I get home and to unplug it before I leave in the morning.

#1209 1 year ago

I got a power company rebate on nearly the entire cost of my charger and a tax rebate on a percentage of my combined total charger and installation work cost. Between the two I look at it as getting the charger for free and upgrading to a new electrical panel and having a line run to the outside of my house for about $500.

I don't really love my Niro EV, but that's more that I feel like I got the wrong EV than having any issue with EVs in general. There are just a lot of little things about the car that annoy me that make me feel like I didn't do my homework and I wish I'd waited for a Mach-E. The tech keeps getting better by leaps and bounds so every generation makes the last look like dinosaurs.

In general though, if the use case fits driving less than the max range per day, it's super cheap to run, but an offset of higher cost of purchase. I get about 25 miles per dollar of electricity and no oil changes or brake pads. Sometimes the dealer tries to charge me for an oil change at scheduled service time and I have to point out that my car does not use oil. I don't take longer trips often but I've done multi-state trips a few times and it's not so awful with planning your meals around when you'll need to charge so it doesn't feel like wasted time. Mid-Michigan to MGC and back was no big deal.

Next vehicle will fit a pin though, because this doesn't, and renting uhaul vans sucks. But I've been in pinball ownership less than a year, and I've had this car for a year and a half. I'd really like to know if one will fit in a Rav4 prime because then I can at least commute to work and back on electric and make use of my charger.

#1210 1 year ago

Good news for al EV owners in Michigan from DTE maybe not in other states..

Valued DTE Customer,

With summer on the horizon, I thought this would be a good time to share with you how DTE works to make sure you have the energy needed to live, work and learn every day, all year long.

A recent report was published by the Midcontinent Independent System Operator (MISO), the organization responsible for overseeing the electric grid across 15 states and one Canadian province, detailing the summer outlook for the region. In the report, MISO warned of potential generation capacity issues in the Midwest that may lead to rolling brownouts. I’ve heard concerns from some our customers regarding this report that I want to address.

As the largest energy producer in the state of Michigan, DTE has the energy needed to serve our customers – plus reserves – even during the hottest days of summer. We do not expect rolling brownouts or any issues with generating the electricity you need to live your life all summer long.
DTE is prepared to serve you this summer - without rolling brownouts

We work closely with MISO and have extensive preparedness plans in place in the event of a Midwest regional MISO issue. When the region – not necessarily the DTE service territory – is at risk of falling short because of high demand, we are required by MISO to respond to the call to make sure as many people as possible in the Midwest have the energy they need.

There are several ways we can help the region, including sending our excess generation back to the grid. DTE also has a large number of customers on voluntary interruptible rates that can be curtailed, if needed, to help maintain regional system reliability. And if the region really needs our help, we may issue a public appeal and ask our customers to turn down their thermostats a couple degrees or turn off any lights or appliances they’re not using.

I can’t emphasize enough that we do not anticipate an issue for you or our other customers in Southeast Michigan this summer.

Our focus continues to be on providing clean and reliable electricity to the residents of southeast Michigan. As we continue our generation transformation to cleaner sources of power - like natural gas and renewables, we want all of you to be reassured that DTE is carefully planning this transition. In fact, our new Blue Water Energy Center power plant, which will launch at the start of June, will be the cleanest, most efficient natural gas power plant in the United States.

Rest assured, DTE is preparing for the hot summer, and will make sure we have enough electricity to serve you.

Wishing you all an enjoyable summer,

#1211 1 year ago
Quoted from bob_e:

automotive refueling specialist

lol, that's a new one for me

#1212 1 year ago
Quoted from bob_e:

I can’t emphasize enough that we do not anticipate an issue for you or our other customers ,

Feel sorry for Texas, since they dont have the common sense to hook into our national network

#1213 1 year ago
Quoted from jeffro01:

LOL... Whatever. I HAVE MET AND WORKED WITH THE GUY... But yeah, you know more about the person he really is than I do naturally... JFC...
Jeff

So Conman ? did you get burnt.. im missing the con part .. did I get ripped off because mt cyber truck keeps getting delayed ? naw, I chose to believe .and still do he will deliver the meanest vehicle ever built ..

tell me more about his con's ..

#1214 1 year ago

LMFAO
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Not sure how many of you are in the tech industry but hahahaha good luck on top tier retention. I feel bad for Tesla staff. Headhunter companies are popping champagne bottles right now

#1215 1 year ago
Quoted from cait001:

LMFAO
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Not sure how many of you are in the tech industry but hahahaha good luck on top tier retention. I feel bad for Tesla staff. Headhunter companies are popping champagne bottles right now

I thought the same thing, how timely for this discussion.

#1216 1 year ago
Quoted from Mr_Tantrum:

"Automotive Refueling Specialist"? So, you were an ARS?
I guess my first real job was a Sanitary Dining Environment Coordinator (i.e. a busboy)

First I was a petroleum products transfer agent, was titled the Specialist because I knew where to find the hidden gas caps behind the tail light and license plates, and later a lubrication engineer, So now I say I was a sales representive for the Mobil oil corporation. The 55 Cadillac, you had to press in the round reflector button the make the tail light swing up.

Remember that service station attendants can pump longer. 8-P

#1217 1 year ago
Quoted from zaphX:

Against me spending zero.
So I am 1200% more efficient.

ZERO are you the Flash ??? and get er done in milliseconds?

1200% go back to math class, if indeed your time is actually zero

#1218 1 year ago
Quoted from Dawson:

So Conman ? did you get burnt.. im missing the con part .. did I get ripped off because mt cyber truck keeps getting delayed ? naw, I chose to believe .and still do he will deliver the meanest vehicle ever built ..
tell me more about his con's ..

Will the Cybertruck become the Deeproot of EV trucks?
Delays may be due to supply issues with the bullet proof glass.
Stay tuned for the latest updates from Elon.

#1219 1 year ago
Quoted from bob_e:

First I was a petroleum products transfer agent, was titled the Specialist because I knew where to find the hidden gas caps behind the tail light and license plates, and later a lubrication engineer, So now I say I was a sales representive for the Mobil oil corporation. The 55 Cadillac, you had to press in the round reflector button the make the tail light swing up.
Remember that service station attendants can pump longer. 8-P

bob_e you are a legend!

#1220 1 year ago
Quoted from bob_e:

ZERO are you the Flash ??? and get er done in milliseconds?

No...I just think about baseball.

#1221 1 year ago
Quoted from zaphX:

No...I just think about baseball.

That explains the time warp in your life.

#1222 1 year ago
Quoted from bob_e:

Will the Cybertruck become the Deeproot of EV trucks?

I'm contractually obliged to applaud every post that brings the topic back to pinball

#1223 1 year ago
Quoted from bob_e:

That explains the time warp in your life.

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#1224 1 year ago
Quoted from cait001:

Not sure how many of you are in the tech industry but hahahaha good luck on top tier retention. I feel bad for Tesla staff. Headhunter companies are popping champagne bottles right now

Yep! Tech workers have higher productivity and happiness working from home. We're never going back to those cube farms.
We have options now, Elon. Control freak.

#1225 1 year ago
Quoted from Dawson:

So Conman ? did you get burnt.. im missing the con part .. did I get ripped off because mt cyber truck keeps getting delayed ? naw, I chose to believe .and still do he will deliver the meanest vehicle ever built ..
tell me more about his con's ..

JFC... I'm done. Eventually you'll figure out who he really is...

Jeff

#1226 1 year ago

The new Chevrolet Bolt will be the cheapest electric vehicle in the US.

General Motors announced Wednesday that it's cut the price of the most affordable Chevrolet Bolt to $26,595, making it the cheapest electric vehicle in the US.

The Bolt's new price slightly undercuts the electric Nissan Leaf, which has a suggested retail price of $27,400.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/01/cars/chevrolet-bolt-price-drop/index.html

#1227 1 year ago
Quoted from hAbO:

The new Chevrolet Bolt will be the cheapest electric vehicle in the US.
General Motors announced Wednesday that it's cut the price of the most affordable Chevrolet Bolt to $26,595, making it the cheapest electric vehicle in the US.
The Bolt's new price slightly undercuts the electric Nissan Leaf, which has a suggested retail price of $27,400.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/01/cars/chevrolet-bolt-price-drop/index.html

Yay for cheap EVs!

However, meh for the low range and slow charge rate of the Bolt. It maxes out at 50kW meaning around an hour at DC chargers.

#1228 1 year ago
Quoted from zaphX:

Yay for cheap EVs!
However, meh for the low range and slow charge rate of the Bolt. It maxes out at 50kW meaning around an hour at DC chargers.

260 miles or so range isn't bad for daily commuting to work and an hour charge is doable. I just dont thing its big enough to haul a pin

#1229 1 year ago
Quoted from hAbO:

260 miles or so range isn't bad for daily commuting to work and an hour charge is doable. I just dont thing its big enough to haul a pin

Oh that's actually a lot better than I realized! Hell my Taycan is ~230 at 85% and ~270 at 100%.

So I guess the only thing that sucks about Bolt is the DC charge time, which only matters on road trips. Overnight AC charging is a pain nobody feels since it happens when we sleep.

#1230 1 year ago
Quoted from zaphX:

Oh that's actually a lot better than I realized! Hell my Taycan is ~230 at 85% and ~270 at 100%.
So I guess the only thing that sucks about Bolt is the DC charge time, which only matters on road trips. Overnight AC charging is a pain nobody feels since it happens when we sleep.

that's great, until you need to go somewhere, then that "6 second to charge" lie becomes a hard truth.

-3
#1231 1 year ago
Quoted from jeffro01:

Not going to play the literal game with you. Also, storage is not limited with solar at all, so stop with that BS. I'm currently shopping right now and there's no limit to how much battery storage I want, none, zero, zilch. The question is how big is my budget...

So to translate that, "you made it up and got called out on it" and cost is a very limiting factor.

Quoted from zaphX:

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Yes. EVs come with a mobile charger and all you need is a NEMA 14-50 plug installed to use it.
Can you go fancier if you want to? Sure. We bought the Tesla wall connector for Susan's car. The wall connector was $500 and the install was a few hundred.

Thanks very much for helping! I also got an $8500 tax break on both cars so thanks for those too! <3

So you admit its not "a few hundred dollar" for a charger install. its not over inflated, its called a average cost.

Quoted from zaphX:

A fair point and an accurate one, it's hard to beat gasoline for recharge time.
Here's an alternate angle to consider: unless I'm on a road trip, I never visit a pump/charger AT ALL.
I plug in at the end of the day every day and have a full tank for each day's use.
Given your full time of 2:53, and assuming 4-5 fillups per month, you're spending 11-12 minutes per month standing around filling your car.
Against me spending zero.
So I am 1200% more efficient.

Quoted from zaphX:

Yes, I daily-charge to 85% overnight. Sometimes to 100% if I am taking a trip. Both are easily accomplished overnight even if state of charge is very low.

Quoted from mattosborn:

My home charger cost me nothing. And my "refueling" time (for overnight charging to 100%) is around 6 seconds a day, as that is all the time it takes to plug it in when I get home and to unplug it before I leave in the morning.

you visit a charger every single day. incredibly creative time accounting. You are spending 8+ hours for 80% range and calling it 0 time. Using your logic of 6 seconds to charge since the fill time magically does not count, his time is also the 6 seconds it takes to put in the hose. The difference is when you consider way time works. His 3 minute total gets him 400 miles and he can go now. Your charge for 6 seconds as claimed and you won't have any added range.

#1232 1 year ago
Quoted from pinballizfun:

So you admit its not "a few hundred dollar" for a charger install. its not over inflated, its called a average cost.

Nope. I specifically said it was a few hundred bucks to install the plug and use the charger the car came with. More if you want a fancy-permanent thing. (Cost of thing + a few hundred to install.)

Nobody's paying the prices linked in those FUD articles.

Quoted from pinballizfun:

you visit a charger every single day. incredibly creative time accounting. You are spending 8+ hours for 80% range and calling it 0 time. Using your logic of 6 seconds to charge since the fill time magically does not count, his time is also the 6 seconds it takes to put in the hose. The difference is when you consider way time works. His 3 minute total gets him 400 miles and he can go now. Your charge for 6 seconds as claimed and you won't have any added range.

I can go 230 miles every single day. The charger I visit is also my garage where I store the car. I plug in and go in the house, the charging happens while I'm sleeping. I don't have to stand somewhere in the rain/heat/cold waiting for the tank to fill for daily use.

Not sure why this is a difficult concept. Time spent at the pump you're stuck there. Time charging at home you're doing whatever you want while the car is preparing for the next day.

#1233 1 year ago
Quoted from pinballizfun:

you visit a charger every single day. incredibly creative time accounting. You are spending 8+ hours for 80% range and calling it 0 time. Using your logic of 6 seconds to charge since the fill time magically does not count, his time is also the 6 seconds it takes to put in the hose. The difference is when you consider way time works. His 3 minute total gets him 400 miles and he can go now. Your charge for 6 seconds as claimed and you won't have any added range.

You missed the point he was making. Which is that given his use patterns (he’s not sitting there watching his car charge) he’s not “spending” any of his time charging the car beyond the time to plug/unplug it, which is probably less than the few minutes he’d spend standing around waiting for his tank to fill every few days. It’s true that it takes hours for his battery to recharge. But that has no impact on his life because it all happens during a time when his car would just be sitting in his garage anyway.

In other words, he’s talking human time/attention required to accomplish recharge/refuel, while you want to argue that electric and ISE time to recharge/refuel from empty aren’t comparable (and of course they’re not, which is why no one raised that argument).

#1234 1 year ago
Quoted from zaphX:

Nope. I specifically said it was a few hundred bucks to install the plug and use the charger the car came with. More if you want a fancy-permanent thing. (Cost of thing + a few hundred to install.)
Nobody's paying the prices linked in those FUD articles.

I can go 230 miles every single day. The charger I visit is also my garage where I store the car. I plug in and go in the house, the charging happens while I'm sleeping. I don't have to stand somewhere in the rain/heat/cold waiting for the tank to fill for daily use.
Not sure why this is a difficult concept. Time spent at the pump you're stuck there. Time charging at home you're doing whatever you want while the car is preparing for the next day.

no one is standing in the rain daily in their car either. Every week or so is more normal. And they can go 400 miles more in 2 minutes. Unplug the charger after 2 minutes, how much farther are you going to get? You're spending 8+ hours not 6 seconds.

#1235 1 year ago
Quoted from fosaisu:

It’s true that it takes hours for his battery to recharge. But that has no impact on his life because it all happens during a time when his car would just be sitting in his garage anyway.

No bearing; unless he actually wants/needs to go somewhere.

#1236 1 year ago

If anyone is interested this is my charging log for the month of May.
This is real-world use and my driving style is aggressive.
I floor it almost every start.

My electric rate is $0.089705/kWh.

5/6/2022 25.23 kWh: $2.26
5/7/2022 28.37 kWh: $2.54
5/9/2022 18.581 kWh: $7.14 NOTE: EVGo fast DC charger
5/11/2022 14.03 kWh: $1.26
5/14/2022 15.62 kWh: $1.40
5/14/2022 42.84 kWh: $3.84
5/14/2022 29.00 kWh: $0.00 NOTE: FREE Electrify America charger
5/15/2022 18.15 kWh: $1.63
5/18/2022 4.24 kWh: $0.38
5/18/2022 39.00 kWh: $0.00 NOTE: FREE Electrify America charger
5/19/2022 19.08 kWh: $1.71
5/20/2022 21.65 kWh: $1.94
5/20/2022 6.40 kWh: $0.57
5/24/2022 18.69 kWh: $1.68
5/25/2022 28.07 kWh: $2.52
5/25/2022 22.79 kWh: $2.04
5/26/2022 20.42 kWh: $1.83
5/27/2022 19.53 kWh: $1.75
5/28/2022 24.08 kWh: $2.16
5/31/2022 27.42 kWh: $2.46

Miles Start 15885
Miles End 17179
Home Charging $34.16
Fast DC Charging $7.14
Total $41.30

So $41.30 to drive 1294 miles. Yeah I don't give two shits about the few hundred I paid for the plug.

#1237 1 year ago
Quoted from pinballizfun:

no one is standing in the rain daily in their car either. Every week or so is more normal. And they can go 400 miles more in 2 minutes. Unplug the charger after 2 minutes, how much farther are you going to get? You're spending 8+ hours not 6 seconds.

When you're on EV, the car conforms to your life schedule and is always ready for a full day of fun.

When you're on ICE, you have to stop when the car decides it needs it, even if it's rainy/cold/windy or otherwise unpleasant to stand outside the car.

I don't miss ICE. I do miss my Targa because I liked the shorter wheelbase and droptop, but the chances of me going back to gasoline are zero.

Hopefully electric Boxsters/911s come one day.

#1238 1 year ago
Quoted from pinballizfun:

No bearing; unless he actually wants/needs to go somewhere.

So you’re saying he’d have to change his approach if he didn’t need to sleep and wanted to drive his car around 24 hours a day?

#1239 1 year ago
Quoted from zaphX:

If anyone is interested this is my charging log for the month of May.
This is real-world use and my driving style is aggressive.
I floor it almost every start.
My electric rate is $0.089705/kWh.
5/6/2022 25.23 kWh: $2.26
5/7/2022 28.37 kWh: $2.54
5/9/2022 18.581 kWh: $7.14 NOTE: EVGo fast DC charger
5/11/2022 14.03 kWh: $1.26
5/14/2022 15.62 kWh: $1.40
5/14/2022 42.84 kWh: $3.84
5/14/2022 29.00 kWh: $0.00 NOTE: FREE Electrify America charger
5/15/2022 18.15 kWh: $1.63
5/18/2022 4.24 kWh: $0.38
5/18/2022 39.00 kWh: $0.00 NOTE: FREE Electrify America charger
5/19/2022 19.08 kWh: $1.71
5/20/2022 21.65 kWh: $1.94
5/20/2022 6.40 kWh: $0.57
5/24/2022 18.69 kWh: $1.68
5/25/2022 28.07 kWh: $2.52
5/25/2022 22.79 kWh: $2.04
5/26/2022 20.42 kWh: $1.83
5/27/2022 19.53 kWh: $1.75
5/28/2022 24.08 kWh: $2.16
5/31/2022 27.42 kWh: $2.46
Miles Start 15885
Miles End 17179
Home Charging $34.16
Fast DC Charging $7.14
Total $41.30
So $41.30 to drive 1294 miles. Yeah I don't give two shits about the few hundred I paid for the plug.

Dang, must be nice. I am at $0.36/kWh in Tier 2, which is where my usage tops out now. 4 times your rate. It would jump to $0.45 for the next level if that were reached.

#1240 1 year ago
Quoted from zaphX:

If anyone is interested this is my charging log for the month of May.
This is real-world use and my driving style is aggressive.
I floor it almost every start.
My electric rate is $0.089705/kWh.
5/6/2022 25.23 kWh: $2.26
5/7/2022 28.37 kWh: $2.54
5/9/2022 18.581 kWh: $7.14 NOTE: EVGo fast DC charger
5/11/2022 14.03 kWh: $1.26
5/14/2022 15.62 kWh: $1.40
5/14/2022 42.84 kWh: $3.84
5/14/2022 29.00 kWh: $0.00 NOTE: FREE Electrify America charger
5/15/2022 18.15 kWh: $1.63
5/18/2022 4.24 kWh: $0.38
5/18/2022 39.00 kWh: $0.00 NOTE: FREE Electrify America charger
5/19/2022 19.08 kWh: $1.71
5/20/2022 21.65 kWh: $1.94
5/20/2022 6.40 kWh: $0.57
5/24/2022 18.69 kWh: $1.68
5/25/2022 28.07 kWh: $2.52
5/25/2022 22.79 kWh: $2.04
5/26/2022 20.42 kWh: $1.83
5/27/2022 19.53 kWh: $1.75
5/28/2022 24.08 kWh: $2.16
5/31/2022 27.42 kWh: $2.46
Miles Start 15885
Miles End 17179
Home Charging $34.16
Fast DC Charging $7.14
Total $41.30
So $41.30 to drive 1294 miles. Yeah I don't give two shits about the few hundred I paid for the plug.

Holy Crap plugging in darn near every day and two or three times a day, I wonder how long the charging plug and cord will last

$0.089705/kWh. is that the charge (pun intended) for just the electricty? Or the Electricty + delivery charge + sales tax?

#1241 1 year ago
Quoted from zaphX:

Yay for cheap EVs!
However, meh for the low range and slow charge rate of the Bolt. It maxes out at 50kW meaning around an hour at DC chargers.

Using High DC chargers, level 3, may shorten the life of your battery. I posted a link to an article where a Nissan Leaf was charged with the level 3 high current charges. Battery life/capacity was shortened about 25%. So if your car does not control the charger for power delivery. When using AC power to charge the cars internal charger controls the current flow.

The batteries I used in my R/C hobby recommended 1/10C rate so a 600mahr battery would charge at 60ma. These were NICad Nimh and LI-Po, not the same make up as EV batteries.

#1242 1 year ago

Can somebody post a list of EVs that can haul 1 pinball machine and its base price?

Or post a picture of your EV hauling a pin with all the doors and hatch closed, please specify make, model. and MSRP

YES I'm that guy who asked if it can haul a pin and it should because some of us can only afford 1 car or truck.

#1243 1 year ago
Quoted from bob_e:

Holy Crap plugging in darn near every day and two or three times a day, I wonder how long the charging plug and cord will last

Hehe, wow. Now you're *really* reaching deep for FUD talking points.

Susan's been plugging and unplugging her Tesla charger for 4 years. No issues.
Mine has been a year so far, also no issues. The connector is pretty robust and so is the cable.

The J-1772 connector is designed for longevity, ease of use, pluggability in the rain, etc. It's heavy duty plastic. I took you some photos.

*IF* it were to fail it's covered under the car's warranty. The entire setup plugs into a wall holder and the NEMA 14-50 wall outlet - can be replaced in seconds.

Quoted from bob_e:

$0.089705/kWh. is that the charge (pun intended) for just the electricty? Or the Electricty + delivery charge + sales tax?

You got me curious so I checked the last bill (April, don't have May yet).

Customer charge $10.00
On-peak energy charge $48.70
Off-peak energy charge $161.56
Sales Tax $4.58
Municipal Franchise Fee $8.81
Operation Roundup (??) $0.91
TOTAL $234.56

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#1244 1 year ago
Quoted from bob_e:

Using High DC chargers, level 3, may shorten the life of your battery. I posted a link to an article where a Nissan Leaf was charged with the level 3 high current charges. Battery life/capacity was shortened about 25%. So if your car does not control the charger for power delivery. When using AC power to charge the cars internal charger controls the current flow.
The batteries I used in my R/C hobby recommended 1/10C rate so a 600mahr battery would charge at 60ma. These were NICad Nimh and LI-Po, not the same make up as EV batteries.

So this is a good point! (Over) use of Fast DC chargers does indeed shorten battery life.
Overnight AC charging is healthiest for the battery and what most people do 99% of the time.

How much DC charging is too much? Generally speaking if you did ALL your charging at fast DC chargers, you'd be at risk.

In the case of the Taycan (presumably the Tesla does something similar) there are two mitigations for this:

1. An optional setting that backs off the DC high speed charge rate. I have that disabled because I want the fastest charges possible.
2. A charging speed curve that backs off the closer you get to full. You will note the sweet spot is 5%->85%, after that it slows down considerably and is harder on the battery so it's not really worth going past that UNLESS you need the extra range to make the next charger in your trip.

BTW the 5%->85% is around 20 mins.
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#1245 1 year ago

All the other fees and taxes double the base rate of electric... I had to ask because some people drink too much Kool-Aid.

NO GAS... NO SQUEEGEE I love that commercial.

BTW during my 3 minute fill up . I can use the restroom, or buy a drink/snack or use the Squeegee so the 3 minutes are not wasted

#1246 1 year ago
Quoted from zaphX:

So this is a good point! (Over) use of Fast DC chargers does indeed shorten battery life.
Overnight AC charging is healthiest for the battery and what most people do 99% of the time. [quoted image]

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Do you think these people have a Squeegee in their garage ?

#1247 1 year ago
Quoted from bob_e:

Can somebody post a list of EVs that can haul 1 pinball machine and its base price?
Or post a picture of your EV hauling a pin with all the doors and hatch closed, please specify make, model. and MSRP
YES I'm that guy who asked if it can haul a pin and it should because some of us can only afford 1 car or truck.

Now you're asking the real questions! I haven't seen anyone haul a pin in an EV yet - post pics folks if you do!

I expect either of the pickups would work:

Ford F150 Lightning $39974 - $95000
Rivian R1T $67500

It is possible some of the SUV's might work...Model Y/X, Volkswagen ID4, Hyundai Ioniq 5....but I cannot vouch for those.

#1248 1 year ago
Quoted from bob_e:

All the other fees and taxes double the base rate of electric... I had to ask because some people drink too much Kool-Aid.

It was a fair question, but I don't follow your math. All the taxes and fees were $24.30 total, or 10.3% of the overall bill.
And remember this bill also includes two A/C units running in Texas, pins, lights, washer/dryer, ya know...house stuff.

Quoted from bob_e:

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Do you think these people have a Squeegee in their garage ?

Well you can literally see my car upkeep stuff right there in the pic But you make a good point, what to do on road trips for bug removal? (Which is the only time I'd use a squeegee.) I guess I can throw one in the trunk or frunk along with my windshield spray

#1249 1 year ago
Quoted from xsvtoys:

Dang, must be nice. I am at $0.36/kWh in Tier 2, which is where my usage tops out now. 4 times your rate. It would jump to $0.45 for the next level if that were reached.

On the plus side you get to live in beautiful Huntington Beach CA while I have to live in Frisco TX questioning my poor life choices.

#1250 1 year ago
Quoted from bob_e:

BTW during my 3 minute fill up . I can use the restroom, or buy a drink/snack or use the Squeegee so the 3 minutes are not wasted

This got me thinking about how I spend my time at EV stations.

Gas stations have a few legs up on EV stations right now.
They are usually right off the highway, almost always have restrooms/snacks/drinks, and of course squeegees.

EV stations are usually off the beaten path. Some of them have no amenities at all - usually these are Electrify America stations at Wal-Mart.
Maybe there's a trash can in the parking lot where I can dump my empty starbucks cups, but that's about it.
I suppose I could go into the Wal-Mart for bathroom and snacks if I wanted to, but I don't.

Sometimes they are next to convenience stores, which is perfect for bathroom/snacks.

One time there was a Whataburger near an EA charger, the car was done before Susan got her food

In almost all cases I end up passing the time chatting with other EV users, which is fun.

The last time I used EA, this poor woman had just purchased a new Hyundai Ioniq 5 and they dumped it on her with only 2% charge.
They gave her no instruction, no training, and she had to figure out how to get charged to get from Denton to her home in Houston.

She was justifiably frazzled and upset.

My car was done charging so I pulled it aside and walked her through the process and hung around until she had 85% and a plan to get home.

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