This article, though not entirely accurate, is dumbed down to make it more understandable for the average, uninformed person. https://www.twi-global.com/technical-knowledge/faqs/hydrogen-vs-electric-cars#ComparingKeyFactors

Hydrogen powered vehicles will still use ‘electric’ motors. They will just not require recharging or lithium batteries. Lithium based EVs ARE A FAD! Elon captured the hearts and souls of ignorant do gooders. The ‘logical’ approach was natural gas powered vehicles, then hydrogen powered. Lithium was the feel good, ‘emotional’ approach. Not very smart, but very appealing to all the misinformed eco warriors.

I doubt the good ol' boys that are spending 100k on a loaded Raptor or Ram Limited here in Georgia to look cool and have the tallest pickup with the most chrome at the Nascar tailgate party are in to the EV life. (that's why pickup and EV look funny in the same sentence to me)

Traveling in north Florida, I frequently see these guys trailering their trucks around on the weekend. Who knew "mud park" was a thing??

"Driving 1,000 miles in Three Cars: Gas vs. Electric.
"https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=vXzuFprlyrw&feature=emb_title

Don't want to get information, post a comment on a 19 minute video three minutes after it's posted.

Go back and watch it. It's not as simple as you make it sound.
The results on the vehicles may surprise you.
It also says a lot about how your driving habits may need to change and how.

any private pilot knows: Time to spare go by air.

You cannot imagine why people buy diesel trucks or heavy duty trucks? Ev trucks are not going to tow heavy trailers long distances or drive job to job all over a large city all day weighed down with tools/equipment.

https://delorean.com/

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Awesome cars? That’s hilarious! What I find amazing is that people would actually want to be seen in a Tesla. It is hubris and the epitome of pride, but also shocking ignorance. FSD that would like to kill you. Spontaneous combustion. Environmentally terrible. There is no shortage of negatives for this ecological disaster detour.

Just like the odometer rolling.

I'll give you that one. Elon is nuts thinking software will ever do this safely.

Lies.

Lies.

Seems to go against the "smart environmental" train of though. Against the fiscally sound train of thought too

Everything is going to be ev in 10 years. Can’t fight the wave of the future. Been using FSD beta for months in cities. It’s flawed but an awesome work in progress.

So outlaw legacy cars or make a mandatory FSD kit that retrofits them all. Is it that simple?

Still need to deal with random obstacles, pedestrians, software/hardware failures and bugs, map and gps errors, vehicle quirks and breakdowns, road repairs and changes, weather and visibility conditions, anti-social troublemakers, bad cell signal and drops, etc.

Underdiscussed? Tesla makes a huge part of it's profit from Bitcoin speculation. I was surprised to learn this too.

Every Bitcoin transaction uses more electricity that your house does in 6 weeks.

Because so much electricity is generated from fossil fuels, it probably obviates most of the alleged environmental benefits of Tesla.

I agree that long distance hauling isn’t the best use case. Few people actually do that regularly. If you do maybe you’re not a great EV adopter right now.

The electric F-150 will have zero issues towing anything around a large city all day though, it’s a non issue.

Regardless, we’re talking about existing F-150 buyers, the most popular truck, and not people who wouldn’t even buy an ICE version because it didn’t fit their needs.

For some sure but depends on the city. In my home town, it takes a good hour and a half to drive through the general city area of Houston. With traffic, much more. Work trucks may service communities even further out. Add in towing and hauling equipment and I just don't see it working. No doubt plenty of people will buy the lightning f150 who don't do a ton of driving. Already see some dealers charging well over $100000 for one so there must be a huge demand. The idea that you can buy one for $40000 starting to sound like fiction as I suspected. By the time you add up typical options and markups, it's probably $50000+ sitting on dealer lots. That may still be a great deal for some but most people cannot afford that.

Hard to pack in that much BS in so few sentences but congrats, you managed to do it... JFC...

Have you EVER driven a Tesla? Look, the company is an unethical disaster but the cars themselves are unlike anything else on the road. Period. Full Stop. Has it ever occurred to you that some people just want to drive a fast car with instant torque?

Jeff

I'm just confused by what you're trying to say here. An electric F-150 can drive through Houston in traffic. Are you thinking the battery can't last a few hours? It's not running off AAAs. "Doing a ton of driving" is exactly the use case for buying an EV. Driving in traffic is a perfect use case, an electric motor is much more efficient for that type of driving.

I agree if you're doing a ton of long range driving it might be something to stop and evaluate. City stop and go ain't it though. We have traffic in LA too, still crawling in Teslas.

What will the majority of new build cars being made in 10 Years be?

https://graphics.reuters.com/AUTOS-ELECTRIC/USA/mopanyqxwva/

By 2035, about 45% of new car sales could be electric according to industry analysis IHS Markit. At this rate, about half of the cars on the road would be electric by 2050.

*** NEWS FLASH ****

Replace "could be" with "is currently being"

I hear instant torque and speed ad nauseum from Tesla owners. Yet I’ve never seen one launch off the line and the only time I see them is when I’m flying by them while they’re doing 55 in the right lane. Maybe we have a different definition of driving fun? Oh, I did see one take a Big Gulp off the windshield on the Dan Ryan for driving slow in the left lane, that was fun.

There’s no anger at all, I’ve driven one and am not anti EV. It was just an observation. And FYI, the dude didn’t get a Big Gulp tossed on him because he was driving a Tesla, it was because he was driving like a tool in the left lane. It was on the Dan Ryan, he was lucky it was only a Big Gulp.

Did the Big Gulp originate in your car? Just a hunch ...

Hell no, those things are like 99 cents.

thats so.... useful, as you watch the battery level fall faster than normal.

****I blow everyone off the line. Every time. Period.****

but his car is just butt ugly... why race it? ...because street racing is legal and safe everywhere.

And to do so you must be first in line at the light or slam into the Prius in front of you.

Here what your tezla needs then everybody will know all that there is needed to know

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Don't mind bob, he's just our resident facebook anti-ev propaganda reposter

don't mind Paynemic, All he does is tell us how fast his tezzzla is of the line. and no tickets in 5 years

tezzzla is brought to you by the models S, X, and Y.... sounds like Sesame Street.

Sorry if I don't drink his Kool-aid

BTW Ford stopped using letters in 1932 with the end of the Model A which replaced the Model T

You are overpaying big time. I wish we had Sheetz at home. I pay $15/month for a fountain drink subscription. You can get a new fountain drink every 2 hours. Stupid cheap! And I drink a lot of Diet Coke. It works out to ~10 to 15 cents per XL cup.

In Eagle, Idaho? Not if Uncle Rico has anything to say about it.

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I’m looking forward to forgetting this thread exists in 10 years. But to everyone from the future reading this I hope it’s cooler than 2022.

Ford's '70s models in Australia included XY , XA , XB , XC , XD ? ... :3

Fairlaines included ZF, ZG, ZH, ZJ etc. etc.

That's the Australian alphabet though of course Lol