Prognosticators’ have consistently underestimated the rate of EV adoption. Boston Consulting Group is used in the example below to show how they have had to revise their projections.

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Link to chart and article https://insideevs.com/news/606721/ev-adoption-above-expectations/amp/

Except they are.

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/evs-set-to-match-gas-guzzlers-in-price-as-battery-costs-plummet/

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/evs-set-to-match-gas-guzzlers-in-price-as-battery-costs-plummet/

Price means little to many of us.

News from the CLEPIN Show last week was that no EV owners had their catalytic converters stolen. Several ICE owners were not so lucky.

cool story.

Catalytic converters mean little to many of us.

The does not mean prices come down, just profit goes up. I'll believe it when its real and not a marketing forecast.

Sophisticated Owners of Antiquated, soon to be obsolete, ICE equipped vehicles have their cats mounted on top of the engine....

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What do you want them to come down to? EVs are already on par with the average new US prices of $46,290. The most popular car right now, the Model Y, is $50,490. That's not that far off. And if you qualify for the $7.5k US incentives then it's $42,990 - well below the average.

When Model Y was released in 2020 it was $54,190. That's a 7.33% drop in just 3 years, without incentives, on the best selling car (EV or gas) in the world.
https://www.caranddriver.com/tesla/model-y-2020

Roger that.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/26/new-and-used-ev-prices-have-dropped-but-dont-rush-to-buy.html

https://www.motortrend.com/features/used-electric-cars-biggest-value-drops-tesla-price-cut/

Until they get stolen. My work had a lot of about 15 sawz alled off one night. Then happened again a month later.

WTF is that?

Why is no one discussing the Panasonic battery plant in Kansas? Needs so much power they are expanding the local coal plant……

I replaced all my ICE vehicles this year with new ICE vehicles. Hopefully I am good for the next 10-12 years. Maybe by then we'll have better alternatives to batteries.

Why would we talk about that? Do ICE manufacturing facilities not require electricity lol?

The two catalytic converters mounted behind the two turbochargers on the top of the antiquated, soon to be obsolete ICE on an Audi RS5.

Nice. Good for KC. More jobs

If you got Toyotas you are good for sure. They last forever.

GMC, not so much.

2 Porsche's and a Ford pickup

Bah. People will whine about anything if its new and different. EV's are just the current boogeyman they've been programed to be angry about. EV's arent going away...but the old dudes crying about them are.

EV's might not go away, but they need some technological advances before I will buy one.
First off, nothing comes close to the pickups capability to tow my travel trailer.
Once I can pull up and charge in about 5 minutes, and go 500 miles. Maybe then an EV makes sense. Maybe
I suspect we'll have other technologies available to us in the future that make batteries obsolete or at a minimum vastly improved "batteries"
Porsche's should never go all electric, their iconic ICE engines are FUN

You plan to tow a large travel trailer for 18 straight hours with only a single 5-minute stop? Where are you doing this? I want to stay as far away from that road as possible.

Yep, thats fair. Like I've said, for folks driving 1000 a day, EV's arent a great option today.

As for the Porsches I'm fairly certain they could detune an EV to be as slower and less responsive to emulate the ICE for those who prefer that...

"Powered by GM’s Ultium platform (scalable up to 200 kWh), the Silverado EV provides up to 754 hp and 785 lb-ft of torque. Chevy claims the electric pickup has up to 10,000 pounds of max towing power.
GM claims the Silverado EV will have up to 450 miles of range, surpassing the Lightning (320 miles)."

https://electrek.co/2023/09/25/chevy-silverado-ev-impresses-towing-vs-gas-ford-f-150-video/

Close 'nuff?

Nope, 10,000 pounds towing isn’t enough. My travel trailer is 15k pounds.
My F-250 can tow my trailer 480 miles on a tank of fuel

I understand an electric motor has more torque and can “get up and go” more quickly.
But I am not interested in that
A pure ICE sports car with the vroom and acceleration is pure bliss.

Why would we? Good question. If you can’t see the irony here I don’t know what to tell you.

Why detune them? After the first lap it’s over.

Ever hear of team driving? Husband and wife? Maybe an older child too?
Maybe three or four buddies going hunting in the wilderness?

Growing up in Detroit, many of us piled into a car with two or three others and drove non-stop to Daytona Beach. Just stopped to get gas and junk food, usually we'd stop for a minute along the road and water the tires. Depending on how much beer was being consumed.

As I discussed when I was making the deal on an RS5 at the dealer (it took months to get one) yet they had several etron GT's (new and used) with slightly faster 0-60 times but not top speed, also slightly lower range. I said maybe I should get one for the city. They reminded me that the etrons don't sound like the RS models with their antiquated, soon to be obsolete, ICE.

They went away once already.

5 minute fuel stop, any other stops are separate from fueling/charging and can happen with no regard to those services being offered. Decoupling is a great thing.

Right. And like I said, they could easily detune an EV to make them slower for those who prefer that or have them emulate an ICE's acceleration curve.

But we're talking about specialized vehicles now...two door sports cars and vehicles that can tow 15000+. Fringe use cases.

Oh yeah, good point. I forgot about team driving.

Yeah, 15K trailer going 1000 miles isn't a good fit yet with an EV. Wait a few more years I guess.

Theres' zero irony. The point of EV's is to have power generation done at a more efficient level than ICE vehicles. Where did you think power for manufacturing facilities came from?

Irony (though it still wouldnt be true irony) would be the EV plant using inefficient generators onsite to power the EV manufacturing facility as opposed to the much more efficient power from the grid.

The E-Ray hybrid Corvette provides the best of both worlds, business in the front with electric and party in the back with gas. The fastest Corvette ever made shows how to make it work for everyone.

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Quite a use for Hybrid technology!
Any word on gas efficiency?

Actually, twice. First in the 1890's and then in 2000 when GM recalled all of the Saturn EV1's. EV1 owners were pissed because they loved them.

Also the 400 or so Chevy S-10 Electric pick-ups (used to use one at work).

I don't believe anything has been published yet. The front wheels are powered by a 160 horsepower electric motor, while a 495 horsepower V8 powers the back going 0-60 in 2.5 and 1/4-mile in 10.5 seconds. From what I've seen they're thinking it will be comparable to the 16/24/19 mpg of the Stingray Convertible.

It is definitely about performance and showing what they can be done using the motor and engine, I imagine it'll be fun to drive!

I don't think the buyers care aboot fuel economy. They will buy for performance.

Just courious.

Never heard of those, but see you are Cali. The got a lot of compliance cars not available anywhere else, like the Toyo Rav4.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_S-10_EV

This week on "Try that in an EV" . . .

Been looking for a VPin to add to my real pin collection more for the video game experience than anything, along with the variety of tables (what VP calls them), and learning some rules for standard pins. After searching I found a deal I liked but the only issue was the seller lived in Alabama (I'm in north Texas). I didn't really want to fly or spend the night in a hotel, but it was nearly an 11 hour drive each way. I crunched some numbers, decided to make the drive last Thursday/Friday in my wife's Nissan Murano, and here is how it came out.

Departed my house at 9:00 pm & arrived at seller's 8:00 am (11 hours)
- Made one stop for fuel/bathroom about 480 miles into the drive. Total elapsed time from when I exited to when I was back on the Interstate was 15 minutes

Departed seller's house at 9:30 am & arrived back at my house at 8:30 pm.
-Again, made one stop for fuel/bathroom about 500 miles since last fill-up. Total elapsed time from when I exited to when I was back on the Interstate was 15 minutes

Trip Summary
- 22 hours of driving (23.5 hour total trip)
- Included in the 22 hours was a total of 30 minutes spent (2 x 15 minute stops) from the time exiting the highway to being back on the highway for gas and bathroom
- Miles driven = 14,333

On a side note, I decided to count the total number of EV's I saw during the trip since I was traversing 4 states (Texas, Luisanna, Mississippi, and Alabama). Paying attention to any cars that passed me or I passed on the Interstate along with about an hour driving on non-Interstate roads, of the hundreds if not a thousand plus vehicles on the road I counted less than a dozen total EV's. Of these, 9 were Teslas, 1 was a Chevy, 1 was a Mustang (why Ford named an EV SUV that, I have no idea) and the other I did not see the badging but it was quite sporty looking. One of the Teslas was pulled over by three Loiusianna Highway Patrol cars with all four doors opened and being searched, so not sure what was going on there.

I'm not saying that someday EV's won't be the dominant power train on the roads, but that day is surely further away than the EV pundits like to project (at least in the south).

Oops, commas and decimal points are important. Milage was 1,433.3

My last speeding ticket was in that state, and I wasn't searched, but I know firsthand that what you say is true, because everyone else that I ever seen get pulled over there was being searched, and I figured they were going to search me also.

The only area that I have ever seen worse than there is I-75 in South Georgia, except for the fact that I did not see the first car being searched, just getting speeding tickets.