That’s some charging drawer to fit an EV.

Lol. I can’t believe you even said that after being wrong here so often and having to correct yourself many times. FFS

A real man can always find an excuse to buy a new toolbox

If you don't know about the HF S&D sale page, it may help push you over the edge.

Selection changes daily:

https://www.harborfreight.com/scratch-and-dent-sale

Builders try to save $20 in wire by roughing-in the charging outlets in the front wall of the garage.

Make sure they get installed near the garage door; so you can charge indoors or out (or if a friend stops by and wants to top off her pack)

Name one thing I've been wrong about. You have yet to refute anything I've said.

Waiting.

#5826

Okay, smarty pants. Name two things he's been wrong about.

Well...You finally got me. When you posted about Saudi Arabia's battery processing investments (with no links or references) I looked at their AU partnership not their CN partnership.

Oh for shame.

Anywho, thanks for bringing this back to the top. You never actually answered the question about that plant...care to now?

"Explain, using facts not feelings, why a brand new modern plant in SA or CN that will process raw materials used for batteries that are almost endlessly reusable and charged by, worldwide, almost 40% renewable sources is materially WORSE than oil exploration, drilling, refining, transporting (not to mention an average of 2 major environmental disasters caused by spills annually) all to produce a gallon of gas thats used ONCE by millions of incredibly inefficient ICE vehicles around the globe."

https://www.electrive.com/2023/01/25/ev-metals-to-build-processing-complex-in-saudi-arabia/

No. I’m not here to entertain you. Go away, you’re boring

You made the claim. Answer or don’t. Either way it’s entertaining so thanks.

Boom!

"Tesla Model 3 crushes gas vehicle competition in reliability study"

"The ADAC found that out of 1,000 2020 model-year Tesla Model 3s, only 1.1 vehicles broke down annually, which surprisingly is a slight increase from the 2019 Model 3, which only had 0.9 breakdowns per 1,000 units. Comparatively, the average gas vehicle had 6.9 breakdowns per 1,000 units, and the average EV had 4.9 breakdowns per 1,000 units."

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3-crushes-reliability-study/

German study so you know it's good.

I blame these old guys for my sarcastic attitude.

I blame your mom

Trying to keep track of the back and forth between pin.... Hard to keep track when you don't see avatars

EV's = More Tire Pollution?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/another-wheel-has-come-off-the-great-electric-car-con/ar-AA1bCJvH

Better strap a device on the back of all EV’s that can capture those.

Is that a yo mama joke?

Can’t believe y’all didn’t laugh at the EV strap on joke either. Tough crowd in here.

Game Changer???

https://www.popsci.com/technology/air-gen-electricity-film/

Could be. Definitely looks promising.

Did anyone watch Rich Rebuilds video today? His Rivian barely tagged in the back is a $30K body job. I would imagine insurance on Rivians is crazy high, but when you know the repair costs, not crazy from insurance company POV.

Just like VHS won in the 80's, looks like Tesla may win the charger standard now. Ford is adopting the Tesla connector in 2025+ EV's.

https://electricautonomy.ca/2023/05/26/tesla-ford-supercharger-public-charging/

Tesla and Ford may be retail competitors, but now they are charging partners — with a new Supercharger deal and Ford’s move to adopt Tesla’s charging port in all new EVs starting in 2025

Tesla is opening its Supercharger network to Ford EV drivers in Canada and the U.S. in spring 2024; while Ford will phase out Combined Charging System ports on its vehicles in favour of Tesla’s North American Charging Standard (NACS) port, starting in 2025.

These announcements — unveiled jointly in a Twitter Live discussion yesterday by Telsa CEO Elon Musk and Ford CEO Jim Farley — are a strong signal from the two American automakers that charging access is a critical component of selling EVs.

Initially, Mustang Mach-E, F-150 Lightning and E-Transit owners will have access to Tesla’s over 12,000-strong Supercharger network. Future Ford drivers with the NACS ports on their vehicles will follow.

“Tesla has led the industry in creating a large, reliable and efficient charging system and we are pleased to be able to join forces in a way that benefits customers and overall EV adoption,” said Marin Gjaja, chief customer officer for the Ford Model e in a press release.

“The Tesla Supercharger network has excellent reliability and the NACS plug is smaller and lighter. Overall, this provides a superior experience for customers.”

The announcement is also the first indication from Tesla that it will open up its Supercharger network to non-Tesla vehicles in Canada. Already non-Tesla drivers in the U.S. are able to access some Tesla Superchargers using an adapter at the station.

“We don’t want the Tesla Supercharger network to be a walled garden,” said Musk.

“It is our intent to do everything possible to support Ford and have Ford be on an equal footing at Tesla Superchargers.”

BlueOval charging network

Currently, Ford EV drivers have access to the automaker’s BlueOval charging network.

The BlueOval charging network is “the largest public charging network in North America offered by automotive manufacturers,” claims Ford.

It’s a pay-as-you-go network spanning North America. BlueOval has over 84,000 chargers and partners including ChargePoint, FLO, Shell ReCharge, SemaCharge Network and Electric Circuit.

Adding Tesla’s Supercharger network boosts that number to nearly 100,000 chargers (22,000 fast chargers). And Ford dealerships are also putting a combined 1,800 public fast-chargers online by 2024.

“Mustang Mach-E, F-150 Lightning and E-Transit customers will be able to access the Superchargers via an adapter and software integration along with activation and payment via FordPass or Ford Pro Intelligence,” reads Ford’s explanation of how the integration will work.

Ford is calling all of its EVs made in or after 2025 its “next generation” EVs. Tesla, in its recent Investor Day presentation pegs Supercharger reliability at 99.95 per cent.

“This is great news for our customers who will have unprecedented access to the largest network of fast-chargers in the U.S. and Canada with 12,000+ Tesla Superchargers plus 10,000+ fast-chargers already in the BlueOval Charge Network,” said Farley.

VHS is dead. Is that what we are celebrating here?

Looking at it from the USA perspective, if the general goal is to convert from ICE to EV, setting up multiple charging networks with different connections where some will work only with certain types of EVs and everything is starting from scratch at enormous cost seems like one of the dumbest ideas ever conceived.

It's alive and well in my house thank you very much

It is stupid! If it’s going to be mandated, at least have a standard.

It's shocking what kind of negligible appearing damage will total a Maverick. Check this out. Totalled for a fender-bender and there are many examples...

https://www.mavericktruckclub.com/forum/threads/my-maverick-now-has-salvage-surname.30742/

Are you embracing obsolete non green tech?

If I was an EV owner competing for charge sites, I would totally leave a note like that freeing it up.

I don't throw things away simply because they are obsolete. It's why I still own a solid-state pin.

If George would have had an ICE Rascal, he would have gotten away.

This scene reminds me of the scooter gang in the new Star Wars Book of Boba Fett series.

Here we go again with selective statistics. You did look at the source data (i.e. the German ADAC article), right?

If so, you would have seen the following ICE models had the same or fewer breakdowns per 1,000 than the Tesla 3s with 1.1 breakdowns in 2020 when comparing Middle class vehicles (somewhat ironically, they are all German):

- Audi A4 | 1.0
- BMW 3 Series | 0.8
- BMS X3 | 1.1
- Mercedes C-Class | 0.8
- Mercedes GLC | 1.1

Not sure how the data points to Tesla "crushing" ICE vehicles when it was equaled or bettered by over 20% of the other vehicles (the study included 23 total in the "Middle" class).

Conclusion? As a German auto buyer you could purchase 5 of the most popular German made ICE vehicles and have equal or better reliability than buying an American import Tesla 3 EV. Don't get me wrong, I want the entire world to purchase our exports, but the case the article you posted is trying to make just doesn't hold water.

Has nothing to do with it being an EV, more a sheet metal design choice

Data always favors the group that paid for the data

100%
It’s also assembly choices. Lots of glued on and riveted panels on these cars. Material makes a big difference as well. When the ford f150 and superduty went to mostly aluminum body and panels there was a similar issue. Working with aluminum and composites takes a completely different skill set than your run of the mill body shop.

There's a guy on the Maverick forums who's Ecoboost Maverick had an engine fire and burned up. He should have got it towed once the check engine light started blinking and he saw oil all over the engine and hood. Instead he tried to limp it home and that's when it caught fire. Makes me wonder how many of these fires are user error?

But is a trend often attributed with 'new companies' instead of companies that have a long history of learning how to engineer their products. Everyone makes choices in their designs, and when it comes to ownership, an important element to understand. And why I won't buy BMW

Yes, but in this case the issue is commentators/readers not analyzing the results holistically. It's like they were looking for something, found it, and then went about obliviously writing their articles without bothering to critically analyze their reporting before making it public. Seems about on par for the Google generation, however.

I owned a BMW 535i for about 5 years and traded it in around 2018 or so (purchased it used with about 35K on it and drove over 100K when I had it). What I will say is that it was one of my favorite vehicles I ever owned. Comfortable, quiet, accelerated well and enough power, and really didn't have too many issues with it (until the end). However, repairs were more costly even using my local shop which is extremely fair with their pricing. Ultimately, I needed to spend several thousand dollars to repair a transmission issue, and figured it was time to wave goodbye (which I have done multiple times with various makes/models of vehicles).

Had a friend that bought a F150 the first year they went to aluminum panels. Wasn't long before he was in an accident and regretted his decision. I'm sure it is getting better, but I know there are still limited shops that do aluminum work. I unfortunately had a vehicle totaled recently (not my fault - my truck was rear ended causing frame damage), and while I was at a national collision repair chain with probably 20+ locations here in DFW, I heard the receptionist tell a caller that only one of their locations in Fort Worth did aluminum repairs.