Quoted from Pinfactory2000:

If someone says deep dish pizza will kill you and I state the fact that it wont...am I a hypocrite or strange if I eat NY style instead of deep dish?

Quoted from mrm_4:

It also shows that you like to argue about things passionately but dont live by the virtues you argue for.

Quoted from twinturb089:

In 2019, Elon Musk claimed that a battery replacement would cost the owners about $5,000-$7,000. However, when you include labor costs and the overall market situation, well… let’s just say the figures are different today.
Here are a couple of price examples:
Anywhere around $13,000-$20,000 for Models S
At least $14,000 for a Model X premium SUV
At least $13,000 for a Model 3 entry-level sedan
Even though the figures are considerable, your warranty should cover all that. But if you got the short end of a stick or went with used, you’ll have to pay out of pocket. Generally, battery replacement cost is one of the reasons electric vehicles are not as popular as they could be.

Quoted from Pinplayer1967:

When the government mandates EVs, ask yourself ‘at what cost?

Quoted from vid1900:

LOL
There is no federal law banning ICE cars, gas stoves, drinking straws, woodburning fireplaces, or any of the other manufactured outrage that is repeated 24/7 on those fauxnews stations.
Of course California will probably lead the nation with emissions standards for autos, as they have for over a half century; because of the smog problems that badly affect that state. Same as how Colorado leads the nation with pollution standards for woodburning furnaces.
Don't let yourself get worked into a froth so some advertisers can sell you a reverse-mortgage

Quoted from vid1900:

LOL
There is no federal law banning ICE cars, gas stoves, drinking straws, woodburning fireplaces, or any of the other manufactured outrage that is repeated 24/7 on those fauxnews stations.
Of course California will probably lead the nation with emissions standards for autos, as they have for over a half century; because of the smog problems that badly affect that state. Same as how Colorado leads the nation with pollution standards for woodburning furnaces.
Don't let yourself get worked into a froth so some advertisers can sell you a reverse-mortgage

Quoted from Pinplayer1967:

Vid, you sound obsessed with Elon Musk and Fox News.

Quoted from Pinplayer1967:

Also California and Colorado are no beacons of light. Poorly run by the usual suspects that never have to apologize or be held accountable for their failed ideology.

Quoted from Pinplayer1967:

No, as a business owner I use common sense about EVs as a fleet option and right now it’s just not there. If I ran my business like the government I would be bankrupt really fast. Also California and Colorado are no beacons of light. Poorly run by the usual suspects that never have to apologize or be held accountable for their failed ideology.

Quoted from Pinfactory2000:

The govt wasn't setup to be a for profit enterprise.
Either way, not sure what poorly made alt right memes have to do with EV tech?

Quoted from Pinplayer1967:

You might want to sit this one out

Quoted from Pinfactory2000:

Annnnddddd the predictable deflection.
And yeah...no chance. I'll never tire of countering peoples panicked emotional fact-less posts with pragmatism and data.

Quoted from Pinfactory2000:

I'll never tire of countering peoples panicked emotional fact-less posts with pragmatism and data.

Quoted from Pinplayer1967:

Everyone here is STILL waiting for you to spit out some facts.

Quoted from mrm_4:

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Not the hero we want but you get the picture...
Oh save us pinfactorylamethousand

Quoted from Pinplayer1967:

No, as a business owner I use common sense about EVs as a fleet option and right now it’s just not there.

Quoted from tripplett:

Well this just took a turn…. breaking and not a lot of information out yet.
Assumption inbound: I’m going to guess the station was full and someone jumped the line sparking an argument.
https://electrek.co/2023/05/03/tesla-driver-dies-fatal-shooting-supercharger-station-argument/

Quoted from mrm_4:

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Not the hero we want but you get the picture...
Oh save us pinfactorylamethousand

Quoted from pinballizfun:

I'd prefer to not have the fire start while I'm asleep and the car is in the garage under my family's bedrooms. Fires do happen when refueling, fires do happen when charging. What's the fires per fueling/charge hour. every EV charging overnight is 8-12 hours on the charger. The car is refueling for 2 minutes once a week or so.

Quoted from Pinfactory2000:

But people are allowed to be scared of whatever they like.

Quoted from twinturb089:

i can spend 100 a week on gas for my ice vehicles and would never recoupe the extra cost of a ev

Quoted from vid1900:

As a previous volunteer firefighter, I caution you to never allow any family members to sleep above a garage used to store automobiles.

Quoted from tripplett:

What extra cost are you referring to? KBB lists the avg cost of a new cars for 2023 at $49.5k. You can buy a dozen different EVs at that price. And at $100 a week - over 5-6 years you’re talking about $26-31k in just fuel alone.

Quoted from MrBally:

The $49.5k cost of a new EV. Some of us have older, dependable, antiquated, soon to be obsolete, ICE vehicles that are paid for, but basically worthless to resell/trade. We'd rather spend a hundred bucks a week on gas and have basic liability insurance instead of spending $50k or have a nice $800.00 car payment. Plus a $150.00-$250.00 monthly insurance fee. Las Vegas being a 24/7 alcohol serving town makes our insurance rates ridiculous.

Quoted from tripplett:

So the statement should read “I can spend 100 a week on gas for my USED ice vehicles and would never recoupe the extra cost of buying a new $49.5k car (EV or gas)”. In other words this is irrelevant to a discussion about EVs but instead comparing driving a used car vs new car.
But given all the fuel and maintenance savings (plus any rebates if applicable) you’d still be better off over a 5 yr ownership with a new EV than a new gas car. I’m almost 5 hrs into my Model 3 and total cost minus all the savings and the $7,500 rebate puts me out of pocket at about $25k. And I can sell it today for more than that.

Quoted from MrBally:

Don't put words in my mouth. My statement is exactly how I wrote it.
You do you and I'll do me.

Quoted from twinturb089:

Myself.... i can spend 100 a week on gas for my ice vehicles and would never recoupe the extra cost of a ev…

Quoted from pinballizfun:

of course its rare, but I'll take the the rare one that happens when I'm not sleeping, preferably. Or just parked.
https://www.wbtv.com/2022/09/26/ignition-spontaneous-electric-vehicle-fires-prompt-recalls-some-owners-stalled-waiting-repairs/
https://www.nfpa.org/News-and-Research/Publications-and-media/Blogs-Landing-Page/NFPA-Today/Blog-Posts/2022/11/28/EVs-and-Parking-Structures
https://futurism.com/the-byte/electric-cars-lighting-houses-on-fire
Gas fires are generally easy to put out, and *mostly* happen after an impact, they can also happen if a fuel line breaks. They almost never happen to a cold car parked.

Quoted from pinballizfun:

personally, the one that kills me in my sleep is an easy one to not choose.

Quoted from pinballizfun:

LOL, sorry, wrong answer.

Quoted from Pinfactory2000:

I cant park my ICE in my garage. Thousands of others cant either. And that's just vehicles with known issues that the manufacturers have been forced to admit.
But again, the likelihood of any vehicle type spontaneously bursting into flames is tiny. Its like worrying about being hit by an asteroid while watching the titanic sink from your lifeboat.

Quoted from mrm_4:

What make and model, what recall?

Quoted from Pinfactory2000:

I've already linked to this and you said you were aware of it.
"In May, Ford recalled 66,221 of its 2021 Expedition and Navigator SUVs for a separate, unrelated problem that caused reports of underhood fires. In that case, Ford advised owners to park them outside away from buildings or other vehicles"
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a41053106/ford-expedition-lincoln-navigator-fire-recall/

Quoted from mrm_4:

No I didnt...

Quoted from Pinfactory2000:

Youre right. That was Pinballizfun.
You ignored it and asked EV I drove lol.
Sorry about that.

Quoted from altan:

"To make this happen, Toyota uses thick, armored fuel tanks to store the highly flammable hydrogen"

Quoted from vid1900:

Those snowflakes at Toyota.... sheesh[quoted image]

Quoted from girloveswaffles:

I'm going to assume those tanks in the Mirai's aren't more flammable than the hydrogen like the outer skin of the Hindenburg was.

Quoted from vid1900:

Probably Not.
But I'm sure pretty sure the hydrogen Ford truck won't be called the lightning....oh the humanity.[quoted image]

Quoted from pinballizfun:

You might also want to consider that recall was due to fires happening in the electronics, fan in this case, only while the vehicles were running. They were not fuel related. Massive battery shorting out while parked or while charging (it only take seconds, lol) overnight means its happening when you aren't at the vehicle or are asleep. EV's still have heaters, they can still fail and burn. And a resistor heater is more likely to do that than a coolant based one. The electronic controls are a wash between each type in terms of failure. The May recall was also over the electronics, not hte fuel.