I don’t understand the quote, I don’t see any motorcycles or trains or buses or whatever I can come up with, pulling vehicles out of the snow either :S)so those are not the answer either, just because you don’t see it doesn’t mean it’s not happening

Just seems fact less and narrow minded statement imo just sayin

Ok hit me with more garbage quotes, lol feeling frisky today

Boomer, come out here to Buffalo.

We've got every kind of truck, ev truck, armored car, bobcat and whatnot all pulling ICE cars out of the snow.

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I would still happily trade bank accounts with him. He won massively before he lost a little.

I dunno man, money ruins everything.

All the people who died frozen in their cars probably wished they had gotten stuck in a fully charged EV...

Ooooof
That jokes in poor taste man. 26 families in Buffalo would definitely downvote that one.

Ya no doubt what’s a few billion when you have hundreds of them lol

A fully charged EV running only the heater would likely last for several days.

"Despite the domination of steam locomotives on the railroad for almost 70 years, new technologies began to emerge around the turn of the century that would eventually revolutionize railroad travel. Although diesel engines first appeared at the end of the nineteenth century, it was not until General Electric combined it with electricity in 1917, that the technology became suitable for locomotives. Still, railroads did not incorporate these unproven locomotives until government, in the 1920s, mandated railroad companies to eliminate air-polluting steamers from urban rail yards. In 1925, General Electric, in partnership with Ingersoll-Rand and the American Locomotive Company (ALCO), created the first commercially successful diesel-electric locomotive, identified as the No. 1000."

Just in case anyone didn't realize trains were running on electric motors.

And the government made them do it.

That was all covered earlier in this thread. Same goes for all of the big ocean vessels other than the few powered by nuclear. The diesel-electric power system is a reliable, economical and powerful solution. The key is though, you still need to burn fossil fuel to power the electric engine.

... and a train can move 1 ton of freight 500 miles, on one gallon of fuel

Finally saw a Rivian pickup truck in a Vegas neighborhood last night....

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You pick your mode

Normal - driving with max battery life
Sport - to show your ICE friends what they are missing in the 0 to 60s
Towing - adjusts the torque & brake assist for boat, camper, construction
Off Road - traction fun
Snow and ice control

Most people are never going to use too much of the 0 to 60 EV craziness, but the mode is there if you want it

Two tankless water heaters at HD for $299 (yep, $150 each)

I guess you could put one in each bathroom for instant hot water

https://www.homedepot.com/p/BLACK-DECKER-18-kW-3-73-GPM-Residential-Electric-Tankless-Water-Heater-Ideal-for-1-Bedroom-Home-Up-to-3-Simultaneous-Applications-BD-18HD/312680124

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Those babies draw 75 amps each! I hope you don’t have to pick between charging your car or having hot water!

Diesel-electric would be a vast ecological improvement. The majority of cargo ships still run on HFO (aka: bunker fuel), and only swap to diesel when near port (just to cover up how dirty they are). HFO is very economical, but it’s about as environmentally friendly as it sounds (burning a tar pit).

Good information. Apparently cruise ships use HFO quite a bit also, although trying to improve.

It's only on for 5 minutes while you take a shower.

{It might also turn on at a low level, if it detects that the pipes are going to freeze)

You obviously don't have teenagers in your house.

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You say that...once you're used to it, it becomes addictive. All other cars feel like they are standing still.
Now, I don't do full sport+ mode launch controls on the daily...but standing starts from every stoplight? Absolutely.

The instant power+torque is what makes these things so special, IMO.

Here's a real world example of being stuck:

https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-driver-survived-14-hour-traffic-jam-battery-range-2022-1

Saw two debadged Teslas in Vegas today. a 3 and a Y. Maybe the cult's army is starting to abandon ship. Only got a pic of the 3. Frunk emblem was also removed.

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Something about d-bag cult frunk-ship?? I must be hung over!

Now I see it - no tesla badge on the car!

Yep - apparently sales have taken a steep drive and they've done some price cuts to incentivize purchases.
Used Tesla prices dropping also.

Elon really screwed things up.

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Might not be seeing as many vanity plates lately…

Popping off the $2 piece of plastic…
Wow, give these guys a metal of fucking honor

Hard to tell but it looks like a matte black wrap. Could they have just removed them to install the wrap then decided they liked the clean look? I haven’t seen any de-badging on the east coast but I’ll keep my eyes open.

I’ve heard and seen other articles claiming how bad the price cut news is too. But Tesla raised prices on Y for over a year and only lowered them recently. Yes, probably to boost EOY numbers, but still Y is 10% more expensive today than it was just a year ago.

As for sales diving - we will have to see next week (and EOM at ER) when numbers come out but I’m guessing they will have sold every car they could make last quarter. China demand may end up showing a little soft but they just export any remaining cars to Europe, as always.

For shareholders it’s more about high production and low inventory on hand than one market’s ebb and flow. China had 1,500 local sales in April then 77,000 sales in May. China’s numbers vary wildly month to month - but total Q4 sales are most likely a new delivery record. You can’t have steep diving sales and new all time high delivery records at the same time.

<block quote cite="#7325225">You say that...once you're used to it, it becomes addictive. All other cars feel like they are standing still.
Now, I don't do full sport+ mode launch controls on the daily...but standing starts from every stoplight? Absolutely.
The instant power+torque is what makes these things so special, IMO.

You must like buying new tires often…

The Y was white standard gloss paint.
My son wrapped his TT several years ago. He reinstalled all badges with new trim tape.

Yep every 10K or so.

Though the last set of Michelin PS4S on the prior car was still great 11K in.

So toss any notion of economy out the window if you are buying a new set of tires every 10K or so….

My last set of Michelins for a Honda Civic was damn near $800 installed.

Gotta pay to play.

At least I don’t have the tires PLUS plugs/belts/oil/service.

Plugs every 100,000 mi $100 or so
Belts every 100,000 mi $100-200
Oil every 10,000 mi $60-100

Those costs come out to about what your valve caps cost every 10,000 miles, let alone 4 new tires.

I bought a set of 80,000 mile Michelin Defenders in 2021 for less than $600 out the door.

In other news, the latest headliner for the EV haters:

https://www.businessinsider.com/rented-tesla-stopped-six-times-one-day-charge-hertz-2023-01

Oh you sweet summer child.

Let me educate you on what it’s like in Porsche-land.

Oil every 10K $550.
“Major Service” every 20K to the tune of 2-3K. Sometimes plugs, sometimes belts.

I’m a Porsche junkie and by switching to their EV I am finally enjoying their driving experience without the service pain.

One service call is just about more than the entire value of my car

Don’t even get me started if there’s brake jobs, or something breaks out of warranty.
The MSRP is only the beginning of the financial pain!

These things though…they drive like nothing else.

Never try one.

Right, but the one in the picture you posted has been wrapped matte. Look how shiny the windows are compared to the paint. Look how shiny the black car is that’s in front and one lane to the left of it. It also has an aftermarket spoiler so the owner likes to customize their car. Many owners decide not to re badge their wrapped cars. All I’m saying is I wouldn’t include them in your count.

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I usually drive my Model 3 AWD like I stole it. I paid for the performance and it’s one of the things that sold me on the car. I’m going to enjoy every bit of it, even if it is hard on tires.

That said I surprisingly got 44k miles out of my factory 19” Continentals. My car has had a day at the track too and also had a performance chip installed at 20k miles. So half of those miles were with the chip - unlocked rear motor to P level so 0-60 went from 4.2 seconds to 3.1 seconds.

When I replaced the Continentals I went with michelin crossclimate 2‘s that have a 60k mile warranty. If I wear them out before that then Michelins will offer a prorated warranty. I have 12k on them and don’t see any noticeable wear. I do believe I got a good built 3 though. When I had my tires rotated at 10, 20, 30k etc the tech said they were wearing almost dead even and really didn’t need to be rotated. So some of it could be each individual car’s set up.

I have, they are great. I have a friend that has a Carrera. Personally I like Boxsters. Another thing Porsche is great at is the setup for ordering your new car. You start out with a nice one that's $65k and think, hey that's not too bad. Then you go through the build your car process, and even if you try your best to keep it reigned in there are so many cool things you gotta have, next thing you know it becomes a $90,000 car. Or more.

And then, that's only the beginning, as you pointed out, of the expenses to come...

The struggle is real. They really beat you up on options, and many of the options are really baseline needs.

All used car prices are dropping

That is true, and it's about time. It was crazytown for a while.

Dude, he buys Porsches.

Same tires I use on my 370Z. They are soft indeed, wear out quickly compared to "normal" tires, but grip can't be beat.

Indeed. Love driving them, hate replacing them

I'm due for some rears at around $1,000 installed. Don't know about your cars, but on the Z the fronts last about twice as long as the rears.

Exactly how mine end up wearing. On my 911s and the Taycans.